Episode 1057 Scott Adams Talking With Joel Pollack About His New Book Red November, Then Victim Ment

Date: 2020-07-14 | Duration: 1:03:47

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• Special Guest: Joel Pollak discusses his new book, Red November

• Joel’s experiences following the Democrat primary candidates

• Current definition of white supremacy

• Drama within far left organization, Sleeping Giants

• Visual persuasion perfection in Tucker’s McCloskey interview

• Facial recognition errors and the innocent Michigan man

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I'm pom pom pom hey everybody come on in it's time it's time for coffee with Scott Adams in a moment I'm gonna be introducing a special guest whose book read November already in the top ten a lot of its categories on Amazon I was noticing and is only just out today I believe what would be talking to Joel Pollak in a little bit should my technology work the way I'd like you to but before that yeah before that we have to do some very very important stuff something that will change your life a little bit it's called the simultaneous sip makes everything better and all you need is a cup or a mug or a glass of Thank You Chancellor Stein a canteen director flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure that dopamine the end of the day the thing that makes everything better including pandemics it's called the

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including pandemics it's called the simultaneous set and it happens now join me
me I feel sorry for all the people who did not take a sip just then because their relative happiness is now not even close to the people who set big difference big difference alright yeah let me turn that off people who don't know that I'm live at this time of day what's up with them let's see if joel has found his way here yet not yet Joel when you find me on periscope and I know you're looking for me right now I will find you back and I will cancel this hmm alright any moment now my special guests will be here and we will talk about that while I'm waiting I'll

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talk about that while I'm waiting I'll just keep my eye on that little indicator there and did you know that China is experiencing massive flooding right now I was looking at the pictures of it the aerial pictures there's a lot of Chinese cities that are just underwater right now and it's this massive you know disaster and I'm not entirely sure if the news is covering it much it's like something of that size is amazing that it doesn't get much attention alright Joel you will be here any moment probably searching on periscope app to find me right now and I'll connect you as soon as you're there all right it looks like another day of protesters protesting all of the wrong things it seems that the the issue of police shooting black people has somehow

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shooting black people has somehow elevated to the the number-one topic for black people but I wonder if you were to you know do some kind of a survey and say all right could you rank all of your biggest problems yeah can you rank your biggest the smallest problems I feel as though the protests are about some of their smallest problems there we go I think I see you now Joel you just appeared and here you come Joel can you hear me hey our technologies working I did your book come out today yes he came out today read November I am reading it even now as we speak and loving it actually I I love your writing thank you I might mention you off and on my periscopes and you just for people who don't know you are according to the book

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don't know you are according to the book jacket senior editor at large and in-house counsel at Breitbart news is that correct that is correct now the the thing I loved about this book is that you as a conservative writer if I can call you that author were following around the Democratic primary folks and writing about it your personal experience as well as the the fabric of it and I get it I have to give you a compliment now if you don't mind you don't mind you no not at all I love there there's something you do in your writing that this is just sort of a dirty dirty writer thing that you notice that maybe the regular public doesn't notice but you do not step on a joke and what I mean by that is that there throughout the book I found myself chuckling at things that were funny but the way you presented them was completely factual but the way you set it out just made it funny so what I like

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it out just made it funny so what I like about it is a bad writer would add the joke to the joke but but the material was the joke and my my favorite my favorite one there that you you added no joke to it because it didn't eat it it was just a plain description was about the the so-called hats and how they became popular but they they had to retire it because the transgender community argued something about the necessity of a vagina and it was it was not inclusive enough and it went away if it would have been so easy for you to add a little joke to that you know just a little irony ironically it would way and the fact that you just played that straight as a writer I just said alright that's that that's some good writing there because you know it would have been so easy to step on that and you didn't all right so that's that your luck your writing style is excellent it makes the whole thing work and I like the fact that I will let

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work and I like the fact that I will let you talk in a minute too I know my audience gets mad at me would I do this well let me just just jump right into that as you were following the Democratic primary process around you had a number of notable encounters well and I'm interested how often did you get recognized just visually as being sort of a Breitbart kind of guy in in this crowd of liberals how often did they spy you once in a while it became more of an issue the further in we went and toward February of this year that's when people stopped talking to me quite as freely
now is that because they were on to you what what changed I think what happened was kind of a general paranoia it really started at Bernie Sanders events and I have to say this as a compliment to the Bernie Sanders campaign they were the

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Bernie Sanders campaign they were the friendliest toward media including me I never had any trouble with the Bernie Sanders campaign they were open to everybody but I think they felt like their candidate was getting crowded out their candidate was getting railroaded by the establishment and so there was this kind of paranoia that began to set in toward everybody it wasn't just me and Bernie Sanders supporters became less willing to talk to me the closer we got to Super Tuesday yeah everybody was getting a little little tense by that and a little distrustful now did you find a let's say a personality difference in general with the different campaigns you mentioned the the the Bernie personality if you will but was there was a global personality for example did the others have a character to the crowd well it's interesting the one that stood out for me the most I mean you can imagine Bernie Sanders supporters tended to be young students and Ageing

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to be young students and Ageing ex-hippies for example the Biden personality tended to be someone wearing a union jacket that sort of thing but there was one personality that changed over the course of the campaign when Pete Buddha judge started it was very gay his campaign I mean his supporters tended to be very much from the LGBT community but once Elizabeth Warren faded what was interesting was a lot of the soccer moms that supported Elizabeth Warren migrated over to Pete Buddha jej and wherever I went in Iowa Pete Buddha jej was surrounded by middle-aged white ladies he had this incredible magnetism and and so that changed that was interesting Wow and you had some tense encounters with some candidates including Joe Biden for people who didn't see that in the news because you made news with that can you tell them about that yeah so at the Iowa State Fair in August last year I had an opportunity to ask Joe Biden about the

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opportunity to ask Joe Biden about the fine people hoax because remember he launched his campaign claiming that Donald Trump had called neo-nazis very fine people which viewers of your periscope will know never happened and I said to him are you aware that you're misquoting Donald Trump and he insisted that this happened and he got red in the face and he confronted me and it was this viral video a moment it went everywhere and by the time I bought my fried Oreos or whatever I ate as a snack after that press conference you know you got to buy something fried and at the Iowa State Fair the video had gone everywhere but it didn't have any effect on Biden he still sticks to that find people hoaxes even to this day yeah there there's no effect to information it just bounces right off everybody now I'm very interested since you you've got to see Biden live a number of times and and up close because you were literally talking to him and that in that exchange and now you've watched him through his basement Biden phase is it my imagination or is it obvious that he

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my imagination or is it obvious that he is faded even since January of this year is is that my imagination he has faded and what's interesting is the degree to which people haven't reported it but there's one moment that stood out for me I was in South Carolina covering Joe Biden and he was in a town called Spartanburg which is a very nice place and he gave his stump speech and then it was clear he forgot to conclude whatever he was supposed to say at the end he had left out inadvertently but they had already started playing the music to end the presentation and people were already filing out of the room leaving and he grabbed the microphone back and said wait a minute wait a minute and then he started shouting over everybody people are already leaving but he's sort of shouting the conclusion that he forgot to add and I looked at this and I thought something's really not right here this is just the strangest thing I've ever seen but could you could you put a descriptor on how you think he

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put a descriptor on how you think he might have changed the sort of non sentences and the confusing stuff is there more of it now there is more of it now I think he's just having trouble remembering words there was a point last week he wanted to criticize Donald Trump for America first and Biden couldn't remember the word first he sort of says well America America the same thing he did with the Declaration of Independence we hold these truths to be self-evident you know the thing the thing so there's there's that and I think he can manage it for short stretches it's not consistent he can do the debate for about an hour but then he starts to fade and what was interesting to me and this again is not reported anywhere other than you know in my book basically but Joe Biden never did a single spin room after any of the debates there were 11 or so debates and Joe Biden did not linger after the debates to talk to reporters even once and I think that's

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reporters even once and I think that's partly because he was afraid of gaffes and his campaign was steering him away from reporters but also because it was just too late at night it was past his bedtime and I think it was a real concern for the campaign that people would see he had deteriorated yeah did you see him walking and did he have any trouble just walking on his own he can walk fine Kenny yeah he can walk fine he's physically okay for the most part there was that moment where he had a burst blood vessel during I think it was the climate change Town Hall and his eye sort of seemed to fill with blood so he has a few physical things going on but walking is he's okay yeah a few physical things is probably an understatement I'd love to see his medicine cabinet I'm kind of feeling that's that's bristling with stuff so which of which of the candidates let's say you surprised you the most when you got up close was there anybody who who jumped out and you said to yourself you know this person could have been president they just didn't make it to the finals that would be Amy

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make it to the finals that would be Amy Klobuchar she had the most presidential quality she was a very serious candidate and she actually lasted right through to the end even though she had no money and very little support from the media and from the party and in a way she suffered from the impeachment because the impeachment kept the Senators in Washington during a key period right before the Iowa caucuses it's almost as if the Democratic Party interfered in their own primary so while you know Pete Berta jej could walk around Iowa for weeks on end Amy Klobuchar had to sit in the Senate listening to these endless presentations and it happened right at a point when she was surging in Iowa so it really cut her campaign off before it could blossom she peaked eventually but she peaked too late well it sounds like a systemic white supremacy because they let the white guy who didn't have a job wander around or at least win the primary while the well the well employed woman had to go

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well the well employed woman had to go to work well terribly unfair so did you find that people had let's say arguments that they wanted to bring you when they would see you in the crowd or did they just have hate actually most of my interactions with people right up until the end were positive and it was reassuring to discover that the people in the audience at Democratic campaign events weren't really that different from people in the audience at Republican events they just had a different mental map of the world but people are basically the same the one really hysterical thing that happened in terms of audience interactions was beta O'Rourke had an event at an historically black college Benedict College in South Carolina and I went there and I tried to find the event it was on campus somewhere the students were incredibly helpful people showed me where it was and I'm in this room that about 200 black students in the room waiting for

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black students in the room waiting for Bay to Aurora and then one of his campaign staffers came over and basically ejected me from the meeting and for no reason no explanation but they found out I was from Breitbart and they called the police officer over and he escorted me off the campus and you know there was no negative interaction with the people in the room whatsoever but later on when reporters said to beta O'Rourke why'd you kick the Breitbart guy out the campaign said well because we felt he was threatening to the students I'm just like sitting there and in a way it was this weird moment because CNN which hates bright Barton would like to see us out of business CNN actually defended me and they gave a very negative portrayal to baito O'Rourke's kicking out of this Breitbart reporter and in a way it was the beginning of the end of the O'Rourke campaign because he had campaigned as a great champion of press freedom and here he was kicking people out of an event at a black college well now was a.cian defending you or were they let's say wanting to get paid

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were they let's say wanting to get paid oh and at the race because they had a favorite it could have been that also yeah bata was definitely leigh-anne early favorite you know they gave a lot of coverage to him on the day he launched but then he started jumping on tables and waving his arms around and I think they decided this wasn't gonna work yeah yeah they figured that out early all right what is your best explanation of how Biden made it through the pack well the simplest explanation is just the party establishment decided they did not want Bernie Sanders a non Democrat taking over the party the way Donald Trump a non Republican had taken over the Republican Party and Bernie Sanders going into South Carolina had won the first three primary contests he was the first candidate of either party to win the popular vote in the first three contests of any primary he won Nevada on February 22nd with almost 50% of the votes so he looked completely dominant he was doing incredibly well among

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he was doing incredibly well among Latino voters and the Bernie Sanders supporters were already talking about his cabinet picks I was in the spin room after the Nevada debate and Jeff Weaver his adviser was saying well it's a little too early to be picking the Secretary of Education and all this you know they were almost there they could taste it they could feel it and I think the party establishment which at the time didn't believe they were gonna win the election now they think they are gonna win but I think at the time they didn't think they were gonna win but they thought you know what if we're gonna go down we're not gonna go down with this guy running the party we want to maintain control of the Democratic Party so they united against him and decided that even if they were gonna lose that we're gonna lose with a Democrat not with a socialist do you think there were any dirty tricks that the Democrats played against other Democrats to get Biden through specific did the the Democratic Party would have put their finger on the scale oh yeah there were all kinds of leaks against Sanders once Sanders became a threat there were all sorts of things that were leaked including allegations of russia'

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leaked including allegations of russia' collusion that he had that he had been briefed by intelligence agents that there were some efforts by Russians to infiltrate his campaign that story came out and was reported in the mainstream media as if it was happening in real time but in fact it had happened several weeks before and Sanders had been briefed about it and it wasn't for public consumption but they basically went with the Russia collusion narrative to try to take down Sanders but I'll think you know as I think about it I don't think by Bernie was taken down by any news like it doesn't seem like there was a news report that necessarily moved the needle just you know facts facts don't really change things so it feels like something else happened like you know maybe was was it who was the big recommendation in South Carolina it was james Clyburn he's the House Majority Whip and the most senior african-american leader in Washington today and he came out in favor of Biden there were also a couple other things

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there were also a couple other things that happened that we're interesting you know when Barack Obama ran for president in 2008 he also had to deal with South Carolina and there the Democratic Party establishment is very strong they've got union groups church groups and so forth and Clinton Hillary Clinton had all of those groups wrapped up so Barack Obama went to the rural areas and he spoke to black voters in the countryside Bernie Sanders didn't do that Bernie Sanders was still sticking to the urban centers and the college campuses and so it might have been a strategic mistake on his part but also he just had trouble really closing the deal with black voters in South Carolina but james Clyburn was huge I mean Joe Biden had never won a primary in three presidential campaigns had never won any state until james Clyburn came out and said you gotta vote for this guy so it felt like when Clyburn gave his recommendation he was kind of saying that you're not voting for Biden you're voting for all of us you know sort of the established Democrats is sort of felt like that was

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Democrats is sort of felt like that was the change in the frame there that was exactly what happened and he gave a long speech about the civil rights movement and all sorts of things that Joe Biden had very little to do with and all of that was to be defended by voting for Biden and to be honest when I went to events in South Carolina they did feel a little bit like a family reunion around Joe Biden that he was kind of the legacy of Obama even though Obama hadn't endorsed him it was kind of like bringing the old band back together the good memories of that Obama campaign and so Biden represented and that's one of the reasons he had a connection with this electorate which was new because Biden had really no constituency in the black community before Barack Obama plucked him out of the sidelines and put him on the ticket but that's what it was in South Carolina it was a sense of familiarity and a connection to Obama - let me ask you about a little bit of process what the heck is that like being an author who has a new book that just came out which I'll show again to my audience red November Jonah Pollock excellent I'm

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November Jonah Pollock excellent I'm reading it right now and enjoying it very much and what's it like doing a book tour when you can't you can't do all the normal things you would do are you trying to do it mostly remotely yeah you have to do it remotely and the only good news is if you want to make the bestseller list everybody else trying to sell the book is also in the same boat so you're all in a level playing field in that sense but the other interesting thing about it is people have time to read so the market for books is still there because people are at home and they're looking for interesting things but just in terms of process you know balancing it with an everyday job I have to say that your approach systems rather than goals is really how I got this book done you know you can do anything if you break it down into small enough pieces and just doing it day by day will allow me to get it done you know I was uh I was also impressed at how you found a way for your your day job and your book to you know be part of the same process so you could you know you could double up on your productivity there so that

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up on your productivity there so that worked out really well for you what what is there about the book that I haven't asked that you would this is the ultimate bad interviewer question but now let me give you I'll tell you the worst book interviewer questions since I've received them all I'll do it you can't see me but I'm opening your book on video to a random page and then I say you talked about zelinsky's predecessor on page 143 can you can you tie that to the larger Biden theme visa vie Bernie and socialism and how that relates to black lives matter go it's like I don't know that's nothing about my boy Quito but no I like to ask this because often an author will say alright I got my three anecdotes and looking for the place to fit him in and if I didn't give you a place you might have an anecdote ready I'm just giving

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have an anecdote ready I'm just giving you that opportunity well you have the smartest audience in political media so I could go on and talk about the likelihood that Democrats would bring about a socialist revolution after November and I actually believe that but on your periscope you break it down beyond left-right Democrat Republican you really get to the underlying meaning so I actually had something I wanted to draw your attention to specifically when I thought about what I would say on your periscope and I talked about this a little bit in the book but one of the reasons the Democratic Party moved so far to the left was because of the media and specifically CNN and Republicans like to criticize CNN because they hate Trump even though they're supposed to be neutral so it's kind of a running gag it's fraudulent whatever but they did something I think that had a uniquely destructive effect on the democratic party without meaning to and that was they held a series of issue based town

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they held a series of issue based town halls every network holds town halls with candidates that's fine you can ask the candidates questions and so forth but CNN decided they were going to devote airtime to specific issues like they had a climate change Town Hall they devoted seven hours of programming to climate change they also had an LGBTQ Town Hall and the problem with doing these issue based town halls is that the people in the audience in the room are the activists on that particular issue and so the candidates compete with one another to please that audience and so they become more and more extreme in the things they say so the stuff that was coming out of the Democratic candidates even the smarter ones like Andrew yang on the climate change Town Hall for example was just crazy I mean he had camel Harris talking about plastic straws and Andrew yang talking about forcing everyone to buy electric cars nuts and it was just basically creating campaign material for Donald Trump because he could just show how crazy these candidates were and the moment of

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these candidates were and the moment of all they'll go ahead well how much of that is just because there were so many of them and they needed something to break through so they they had to violate expectations or else it would disappear I think that's part of it I also think it's part of the way the Democratic Party is constructed it has a lot of different interest groups and if you don't pay them enough attention they claim that you're silencing them so you know there was this moment in the lgbtq Town Hall where CNN had done a special event around these issues and there was a black trans woman who got up in other words someone who's biologically male but identifies as female who got up in the middle of someone else's presentation ran to the front seized the microphone and started screaming about how CNN was ignoring black trans women well yeah it was it was hilarious and Republicans had a good laugh because it was sort of a strange window onto the Democratic Party but that's what happens if you don't give every little interest group its platform then people will

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group its platform then people will complain about it well I'd like to amplify that criticism which is a CNN does not give enough time to black trans people I think they need to answer for that a little bit all right Joel thank you so much again it's red November available now it's climbing up the charts and you're gonna want to read this because it's it's a really good read I love your writing style and thank you so much for joining me thanks for the opportunity and back to my simultaneous coffee all right take care
all right that was fun get that book you're gonna like it a few other things yeah I asked this question on Twitter and this is a serious question for mental health professionals it goes like this how can you distinguish it between justified anger about a legitimate social issue for

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social issue for is some kind of victimhood mental disorder in other words when does complaining turn into a mental disorder in in the situation in which the thing you're complaining about is real and especially if there are people who are experiencing those same real problems but for whatever reason they're not bothered by them so if some people are not bothered by them but others have built a life around it and it defines them and it bothers them etc at what point does it literally become a mental problem because almost anything that's normal behavior if it gets extended that becomes a mental problem right so everybody has anger about normal things you should be angry about but if you have excessive anger that would be some kind of a emotional mental or a health care situation where is the line on victimhood now I saw some studies and I

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victimhood now I saw some studies and I tweeted it in which people who there is actually so this is a valid discussion in the healthcare world at which point victimhood which is natural and universal you know everybody complains about bad stuff that happens to them everybody is a victim of about something but there's there's a normal and sensible way to handle that and then there's you know the the mental health problem if you go too far and I think I think we're treating all of the protesters like they're healthy and I don't know that that's the case because I don't know that that's I don't know that they're all demonstrating good mental health but yeah we treat them all like they're mentally you know in a good place they just have a different political opinion I'm not sure that's exactly what's going on you know there are a lot of people protesting and they have a million different reasons you

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have a million different reasons you know slightly different reasons but I think some of it is mental health and not that these people are organically damaged but in the way that well this would be a bad example I was gonna make a PTSD example but that doesn't quite fit because that actually is some some real damage their brain Weiss but I think we should not ignore that the people who are most excited about this stuff might just have mental health issues in her in a real way not not in a political way not in a joking way in an actual real health care sense there's something going on that's not healthy and I would make this distinction it seems to me that people who have an abundance mindset can the handle victimhood better meaning they're just as much victims if there's a real social

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as much victims if there's a real social issue they're just as much victims but it doesn't bother them because they think well it doesn't matter how much you have because there's still plenty you know the the amount you have in no way changes the amount I can get if I follow the same process of you know studying and working hard and staying at a jail so why aren't we talking about an abundance mindset to fix whatever is bothering the people who are protesting fairly directly instead of just listening which doesn't help about fixing it and there are two ways to fix it one way is to fix the base problem and to the extent that is fixable why not why wouldn't you try to fix it of course you would but also recognize that the way people are reacting to the base problem which is real may not be good mental health so there's that there's there's

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health so there's that there's there's also the problem I talk about a lot of confusing the problem with a solution and I think that's behind the mental health part of the victimhood because it's one thing to say yes I'm a victim but my solution to that is not focusing on the problem let's say the problem was racism the my solution is not where the problem is the problem is racism let's say but I can't solve that but what I can do is change my own mindset and just succeed now does succeeding fix racism sort of it sort of does because if you're personally successful you're far more immune both psychologically if somebody criticizes you and says hey you know there's something wrong with you because of your ethnicity all you have to do is say hey look at my bank account how about that right so success gives you

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about that right so success gives you armor against all kinds of attacks and I can I can vouch for that and I always go back to the OJ quote the OJ Simpson was famous for saying allegedly that he said I'm not I'm not black I'm OJ which is the the extreme version of that you know he had made such a successful you know until he killed somebody allegedly he had made such a successful career that you just thought of him as OJ he had he had transcended you know identity but that's it the extreme example all right
today and Dilbert I'm still trying to get cancelled I think I'm getting closer so I've got a theme this week of the the boss character in Dilbert is being accused of being a white supremacist and if that doesn't get me cancelled I don't

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if that doesn't get me cancelled I don't know I will but we're running that right now and at the same time I want to tell you that I've had a bit of an evolution about this white supremacy charge complaint observation whatever you want to call it you may have noticed that the term white supremacy has very much changed in about a month let me ask you if you've noticed this is it not true that a month ago if somebody said somebody is a white supremacist that the understood meaning from both the person saying it and the person hearing it they had the same understanding that it meant white people who thought they were superior to other people am i right a month ago that's what you thought it meant and the people who were saying it apparently thought it meant that to most of them again yeah everybody's different there are lots of different people with different messages but sort of a general theme is that a month ago it was about a

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theme is that a month ago it was about a person thinking they were superior to other ethnicities I spent about a month the saying that that doesn't exist saying if it would be easy to prove it exists that there's such a person who thinks that white people are superior to other groups and in all things that you can be superior in and I said I've never met one and I doubt one exists and if you notice that in the last month nobody produced what nobody said AHA Scott I only need one example to prove you wrong you know if you say Bigfoot doesn't exist you only need one Bigfoot to prove you wrong about the Bigfoots and likewise you only needed one example of somebody who would say it out loud and say yeah that's exactly what I believed didn't happen and in that month correct me if I'm wrong about this but my my understanding is that what white supremacy means now

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is that what white supremacy means now is different and it seems to be evolved and it's evolved to a place where I actually agree with it surprise right so the current definition of what white supremacy means in the context of black lives matter and the protests the current I mean really current I mean like today versus one month ago that current is that it really refers to the fact that the system doesn't have all the mobility that you need so there's the people at the top who are mostly white it's hard to dislodge them and it's hard to get up to their level because you have a system that's a little bit ossified it's a little bit hard for anybody to to work up from having no money to having a lot of money it can be done it's just not that common so when it happens it's a news story right one of the reasons that I was a news story for decades is that I I managed to solve that problem of going

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managed to solve that problem of going from poor to not poor and I did it with Dilbert so it became a news story and a big part of the story was the success part not just the comic part so I would agree that if you want to use the term white supremacy it's provocative and may and I don't think I would use it but I understand why it's being used it's about a system that just doesn't help people up anymore let me give you an example of that when I was 21 and entering the workforce after college you could rent a place for just about nothing and live in the city San Francisco so you could just get a roommate and you could afford your rent and you could eat on a very low paying job which I had my job paid 735 dollars a month and I could have you know a one-room apartment and rented it in the city and

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city and take public transportation and I could live and then I could build my way up but I also could afford to college so I could afford a college and I could afford housing and living while I worked on my career and stuff and learn things and eventually put together enough you know skills and my skill stack and try to enough things that it finally worked out for me that situation doesn't exist anymore if you are I'll just pick for my example if you're a young person of color can you definitely go to college you know you could probably get scholarships and stuff but it's tough could you rent an apartment in a place that was a good job market its stuff so I would agree that there is some solidifying of the rich mostly white not not entirely but mostly white and more

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not entirely but mostly white and more men than women it is a little a little frozen and if you said to me is this a system which is stable and should last forever I'd say I'll think so I don't think that our current system should be protected surprised because the the people on the Left are saying we want to dismantle everything and I actually believe that that is necessary but how do you dismantle everything how do you do that how do you do it without breaking everything well I was preparing I was gonna prepare a special periscope on that very idea now I think it would be a gigantic mistake to just break everything without something new and better to replace it that'd be the worst idea but I do agree that you need some way that to pick an example a young black man who's born in an urban

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black man who's born in an urban environment can can look at his prospects and say yeah I can I can do that I can get an apartment on my own I can you know the skills and training I need that just doesn't exist the way it used to so yeah that's worth fixing and so I think it's absolutely and I have to say that I have also evolved in my thinking to the point where if you see all the ways the system is stacked against everybody who doesn't have money you could easily say that that has a racial component that is highly correlated to that but here's the only thing I want to add to the understanding for every person of color who says to themselves those rich white people in power you know they're they just want to keep their power and their white supremacist and stuff like that here's the thing you need to know those white men who were in power they will throw me under the bus

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power they will throw me under the bus much faster than you so let me just say that to a successful white man who's rich is a CEO he's a leader or whatever the least valuable human in the world is me another white man who is not successful let's say let's say if I had not been and indeed you know I've told you the story when I was a young man and my all-white mostly male senior executive said we just got in trouble for having no diversity and the way we're gonna fix it is by punishing unsuccessful or not yet successful white men successful white men threw me under the bus three times in my life three times in my life successful white men have shoved a stick so far up my ass that I could taste it

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that I could taste it you didn't need that but I thought I throw it in there so if you think I love successful white men you would be very wrong because they're all if I may be if I may be honest about it successful white men pretty much all now what would happen if you replaced the successful white men who can be with let's say all black men or black women it would take about a month before they were all because successful people don't want to give up their stuff they don't want to give it up to poor white people they don't want to give it up to people of color they don't want to give it up anybody so the the magic trick the black lives matter has played is to imagine that that top 1% of successful white people who also do not want to help unsuccessful white people that that the

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unsuccessful white people that that the white people are all some kind of team we're not we're not the white people are not a team the successful people will throw the unsuccessful people under the bus in a heartbeat to protect their position what's the best thing you can do if you were marked Benioff Marc Benioff is a successful white guy a billionaire who runs Salesforce what would be the most self-interested thing he could do the most self-interested thing he could do as a successful white billionaire is to throw unsuccessful white people mostly men under the bus it's the smartest thing to do wouldn't you do it of course you would of course you would because the alternative is you're a white supremacist why would you choose oh I'll be a white supremacist when you could be a hero now that said Marc Benioff is actually

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now that said Marc Benioff is actually an awesome person who is very good for the world so I have only good things to say about him he's he's genuinely a good person who is just a good force in the world but the fact is you know white people are not some big unified group in that sense all right I want to thank all the bitter and broken people who had bad comments about my recent wedding you know what all the comments were of course all is all age related jokes and you know money and beauty and blah blah blah and it's it was kind of entertaining though so Christine and I have some fun looking at the haters because first of all they're all sexist which is funny so most of the people who complained well a lot of them tended to be on the left and yeah there were just people were my critics in general so it was just one more reason to pile on but what are the most common things they

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what are the most common things they said was that Christina was marrying me for money now what is the assumption that's built into that there's an assumption built into that statement isn't there the assumption is that she didn't already have money where did that come from why would they make the assumption that the attractive woman would not have her own money right and you know it's not for me to delve into my personal situation more than I should but why would you make that assumption you would only make that assumption if you were a sexist so the people who were saying oh yeah of course she's marrying you for your money are making a big assumption which is not in evidence and the facts I was watching a Jordan Peterson interview with who was it Ben Shapiro and Jordan

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with who was it Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson was making this comment about evolution and I'd never heard it framed this way it was kind of it was kind of eye-opening and he said that men decide which men get to procreate and I thought what that doesn't make sense and he explained it this way that men naturally organized into competitive pyramids where you you competing for a job or you're competing at a sport or whatever you're competing at and it always creates a hierarchy so if you're if you create a sport and it becomes basketball then at the top of the hierarchy is Michael Jordan so it's a male thing to compete this is Jordan Peterson's explanation it's a male thing to compete and that competing has the the functional purpose of identifying the people who are good to reproduce with meaning that if you're competing on brains and academic situation the

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brains and academic situation the smartest person will rise up and they'll get Nobel prizes and book deals and stuff and then women will identify they'll be able to see which men have been promoted by other men to be the most let's say the most valuable mating partners so I've never heard that before of you that it's men who decide which men get all the mating opportunities by their competition and that women are simply responding to what men have presented it's like oh well you know you men work that out and when you're done competing you'll tell us which one's won and then we'll we'll choose them for our mating and I thought that's just completely different frame on things and I thought yeah yeah that makes sense makes sense all right illa see did you see the story

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all right illa see did you see the story about sleeping giants sleeping giants is a small organization far left and had two principal people and what they did was they would try to get advertisers not to advertise on conservative networks such as Breitbart so they went after the Breitbart advertisers successfully I guess and they went after other advertisers who were associated with conservative content and they were very successful in being bad human beings now when I say they're bad human beings I don't you know I'd always say that about many people and that's a pretty extreme statement to say that you're a bad human now when I say they were bad human I mean that you're working hard to make the world a worse place that's different than somebody who's in a bad situation and you know they had to steal to feed the family or something so I'm not talking about you know crime tends to be situational but if you're really dedicating all of your

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if you're really dedicating all of your time to making the world a worse place you're not a good person and these two people dedicated all of their time to making free speech less less available because even though the government allows you to have free speech if the market shuts you down says yeah we're not going to advertise on that platform therefore the platform goes away it's really working full-time to have less freedom of speech now I certainly would have agreed with them or at least supported the idea that if they were trying to shut down specific messages like oh I disagree with that specific message that's fair but shutting down all speech from somebody who has a certain you know political view is pretty much Nazi fascist bad human being behavior but here's the punchline the the two people were a white guy and a

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the two people were a white guy and a woman of color Nandhini Jemmy and apparently the white guy totally screwed the woman of color according to the woman of color and minimized her contribution and acted like she wasn't part of it until she just got disgusted and pushed down to her left or something so the fact that this super woke organization that exists just to make the world worse had a falling out because even within the two people there were only two people and even they couldn't get along racially they had a racial problem with just two people who were trying to be the wolken leftist people in the world neener neener all right if you want to see a good example of persuasion man this is good listen and I tweeted this so you can find it in my tweeter Twitter feed listen to tucker carlson interviewing mark McCluskey the lawyer who was one of

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mark McCluskey the lawyer who was one of the two people the couple who defended their home with the guns and had the the police came and took their guns away now it's the second time he's been on Tucker so if you do a google search make sure you get the one that just happened so and listen to McCluskey who is of course a very successful attorney and man can you see why he's successful that was some of the best persuasion technique I have ever seen and and he was really good and let me give you just one example I always talked to you about visual persuasion how important the visual part is but you can do visual persuasion by showing an actual picture which is visual or you can describe a story that people imagine it visually and you get the same impact because your imagination gives you the picture when he was describing his situation with the police coming I'll try to paraphrase it

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police coming I'll try to paraphrase it but he described it this way he said that the police he this is his first statement was pro-police so first of all can you beat that can you beat the first thing that comes out of your mouth being pro-police no that is just smart all right it's smarter for this case it's more for any future case it's just smart so he says the police were very professional and then here's the party he says my wife asked he said they were almost apologetic now and you can imagine it right now he says the police came to confiscate his guns but they were almost apologetic can't you see the movie in your head you see it right you see the police showing up you see McCloskey and his wife and you see their demeanor being almost apologetic so now it's like a movie and you can see it and that he further the movie and he said my wife asked if she could take there take a

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asked if she could take there take a picture but she asked if they would turn around so that their faces were not shown because we wanted to protect them from you know any ridicule or anything if their faces showed up and they agreed now you see the picture right in your mind you see the police saying oh yeah we'll do that oh I get it thank you for protecting us turned around took the picture you see the movie in your head and you're seeing that the police loving this couple agreeing with them feeling guilty that they have to take their guns but they're very polite and professional and the couple appreciated them so much that they had a good interaction it was a positive experience oh man that's just so good it's just so good and that's that's not the only thing he did like he used contrast he used pacing here's his demeanor when he talked about it that by the way this is a topic which I've never mentioned and I keep thinking of it so I'll put it in this this one if

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of it so I'll put it in this this one if you sound defensive you sound less persuasive if you sound defensive you sound less persuasive listen to McCloskey talk and you don't see anything defensive sounding it is a defense I mean he's defending himself but it doesn't sound defensive he is simply talking now if you could pull that off if you could pull off the I'm simply describing things confidently and with a smile this as I'm in control and you just hear is straight it can be it it convinces you that the speaker knows what they're talking about and is credible and then that's more persuasive let me if let me do if I can a my impression of every unpersuasive pundit on TV I see if I can do this impression have to have a topic to talk about so

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have to have a topic to talk about so I'll talk about President Trump had a tweet that was offensive all right let's I know it's hard to imagine but imagine that for a second here would be a a conservative who's defending it who is too defensive well you know if he if he does these tweets but you know and and and you know I don't people are getting so excited about what are you getting so excited about it's just a tweet you see what I'm saying that sounded like you're trying too hard you're trying to persuade people with your attitude not with not with your words the lawyer is just giving you words but man they're just packed with visual content contrast and technique I mean he's really really good so you got to see that all right there was a interesting story of a african-american man in Michigan who was

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african-american man in Michigan who was wrongly arrested based on some bad facial recognition so that's kind of scary isn't it now one of the the knocks on facial recognition is that it's it has a harder time with black faces I guess it doesn't pick up the contrast as well or something I don't know but here's the things that are interesting about this story so the way it worked was some facial recognition was used on I think some video from a security camera of somebody committing a crime they got a match for this man who ended up being wrongly accused they went to his house they arrested him they arrested him in front of his family took him into the police house and then they showed him the the security video of the guy that they thought was him doing this crime and here's how the innocent black

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crime and here's how the innocent black man responded to that he took their picture he held it up next to his say face and now I'm paraphrasing because I wasn't there but I imagine it went like this do you think this looks like me are you serious do you think all black people look alike look at the picture look at me look at the picture look at me it's not me and then they looked at the picture and they looked at him and they said yeah that's not you and they let him go now when I read the story it was a story about the dangers of facial recognition but is that what happened is that what that story told you that the facial recognition was bad because here's what I heard in that story if those police officers had brought with them to the man's home the picture that they showed him at the precinct instead of arresting him to go show him

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instead of arresting him to go show him a picture are you kidding me they arrested him to show him a picture and they couldn't do that when they were at his house nobody had a phone nobody had a photocopier they couldn't bring the picture with them to say I'm looking at you now live I'm looking at the picture okay that's not you that's all it would have been but here's the second part of it so the first part is when you see a story about facial recognition and picking up the wrong people ask yourself if it was a human problem or a technology problem this was clearly a technology trigger because they had a wrong match but the problem was a human problem because if the humans could tell the difference when he was in the precinct they could surely tell the difference when they were standing at his doorstep and it could have gone a little bit differently don't you think all right now here's the the punchline

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all right now here's the the punchline now all facial recognition software is the same so do you think that every facial recognition would have gotten a wrong hit it would not and in fact about all of the competitors to that facial recognition software immediately ran his picture through their system and found out whether their system worked or not so do not assume that a bad facial recognition software is the same problem to society as one that works and there are ones that can identify black people and there's some that have more trouble but we need more of a human a human process you don't you don't want to ever have well let me suggest this I've been talking about creating a digital Bill of Rights which I'm working on one of the digital Bill of Rights that we need is something about facial recognition right

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something about facial recognition right because it's a big scary thing and if you don't get it right it could be problems here's what I would recommend as potentially a bill of digital rights involving facial recognition that nobody can be arrested based on a machine decision you get that nobody could be arrested based on a machine decision because that's what happened with the the black person who was innocent and got arrested the Machine told the police to go arrest this guy issue and death but it did and then they did they found out he was innocent that should never happen the machine should at the very most the machine should tell you who to talk to but once you talked to him you gotta bring the photo along you got to make a human decision all right you don't look like the photo right so there should never be an automatic arrest until a human being has evaluated the evidence

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human being has evaluated the evidence does that make sense you can never let a machine cause an arrest it's got to be a human decision every time otherwise we'll never be comfortable with the technology all right um and the last thing you would want would be like a machine would be to generate a bunch of arrests warrants or something and just sort of automatically generate them and the cops just act on it you don't want that all right remember that story about the Russians putting a bounty on American soldiers and that was a big story for a few days it turns out that the punchline to that is that the intelligence people were not sure that it was true so that that whole thing was this big national story and the president has to be impeached for the second time and all that none of it was really true I mean there was it was true there was a rumor

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there was it was true there was a rumor but it's not true that our intelligence people decided it was true it was just one of the things one of many things that they heard looked into it couldn't see that anything was you know credible there let it go all right it's amazing when you when you watch that happen it's it's hard to it's hard to think you live in a country with good information all right that is all for now I'm working on a micro lesson on what to do if your spouse has TDS and you'll see that soon and I also have an idea for fixing socialism and capitalism and making them coexist do you believe it yeah it's a brand new concept in which socialism and capitalism could live side by side in the same country and you'd all be happy we'll see if I can pull that off and I'm

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we'll see if I can pull that off and I'm preparing that even as we speak that's all for now I'll talk to you later