Episode 1039 Scott Adams: Talking With Congressman Matt Gaetz About All the Hot Topics

Date: 2020-06-26 | Duration: 59:15

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• Special guest, Congressman Matt Gaetz

  - Grievance culture in America
  
  - Infectiously bad city leadership
  
  - Big tech has bought off congress
  

• 8 things that lead to success

• Tik Tok’s danger

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my bum hey everybody come on it it's gonna be one of the best coffees with Scott Adams of all time that's right representative Matt gates will be joining me if our technology works the way I hope but first get in here get in here we got all kinds of stuff to talk about the world is spinning around and things are getting out of control but between all of you and me and my upcoming guest Matt Gage we're gonna work this all out we're gonna figure it all out before we do that though what do we do first yeah that's right it's called the simultaneous sip and all you need is a cup of micro glass the tanker challengers die and a canteen jug or flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite lipid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure the dopamine the end of the day the thing that makes everything better including the economy including the

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including the economy including the coronavirus including racial divide it's all better a little bit just a little bit it happens that with a simultaneous have to go uh-huh uh-huh that's definitely better all right let me check my technology here all right in a moment we'll have a representative Matt Gaetz joining us I have a little update for you while we're waiting for him to get on and the technology is always you know a little hard to navigate we'll do our best here I got a an update on carpe Noctem and rahim kasam two people who had been temporarily limited in their Twitter use for content in the case of carpe Noctem there was a DCMA request there's an official way

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DCMA request there's an official way that somebody can request copyrighted material to be taken down but the question is even though it's copyrighted it's used in the concept of parody this was a little bit of a gray area and then there was Rahim Qasim who showed showed a video that included the time of death of somebody and if a family member requests video being taken down because of time of death and when there happens they they will take it down now in both of those cases there I guess Twitter is working with both Rahim and Carr peidong time to see if they can get them back up and also within the rules now the question that I ask is why would you ban the person instead of the content if you know there's just one piece of content that's questionable why not just block the content and say hey let's talk about this content you either have to remove it or we're gonna have to work something

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it or we're gonna have to work something out
out and it turns out that Twitter is actually looking into that as well so I think what makes us feel like an attack on conservatives or even individuals is that they block the whole account or they'll you know they'll limit the account in some way because of one piece of content which feels wrong right like just the way that feels like wait a minute if the content is wrong but everything else has been fine up till now why not just block the content and then we'll work out what's wrong and it apparently Twitter is looking into exactly that so there are some things upcoming that will be exciting in the Twitter world but that that continues all right let me see if Matt has there we are what's the address and if our technology works which looks like it didn't he just

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works which looks like it didn't he just disappeared so Matt you just disappeared when I tried to select you so try that again and as soon as I see your indicator come on all I'll add you alright we've got there is I'll bet you this will work just great this time because as you know technology always works just the way you want it to looking better Oh didn't work again this is the problem we had the first time we tried to do it I don't know if it's a Wi-Fi problem or some other kind of technical incompatibility let's try one more time I've got my phone set up so if they text me to tell me what the problem is although we're back I imagine they're trying different devices and stuff to get this working

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devices and stuff to get this working all right while we're waiting for that I wanted to talk about an argument I've been seeing online that I think about a lot and I don't think we're doing a good job of handling it let's say let's that Matt again watch this work
representative Matt Gaetz I can hear you I think are you there yes finally score let's do this I feel like we've now got audio privilege we should probably have to disclaim it yes I feel a little bit guilty about this first of all you have started a new podcast called hot takes which is terrific how's that going well I really enjoy it I think that the news of the day really opens the door into the questions that we have to answer in the Congress whether they're questions about the nature of speech in this country or really what we see going on

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country or really what we see going on with an effort to I think dismantle America by trying to make us love her less and I am just autumn unapologetically pro-american I think this is the greatest country ever I think the tactics that we see to try to deconstruct our history to try to take away a sense of national pride are far more dangerous than just you know the destruction of a statue I think they're really trying to get to the destruction of the system well let's talk about that so I have not fully bought into the the conspiracy that there's a master-planned I believe that there are probably some people who think of it in the long term but what percentage of the protesters do you think have a master plan versus they like the fun they're angry you know it'll burn itself out well how do you break that down the the master Marxist planners versus the people who are just having fun looting and protesting and in free speech I think that it is driven by the money I mean I

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that it is driven by the money I mean I think that that a substantial amount of the money that has existed for the infrastructure of these organizations is fueled by a neo-marxist desire to to shame America into a crouch both domestically and on the global stage and I think that there is a general grievance movement that is out there they'll show up and Occupy Wall Street if you want them to they'll show up for a black lives matter protests if you want to they're just sort of in for the grievance and I think that makes up a lot of the volume of the humans but but the money is you know the the financial desire to see this this neo-marxist revolution combined with sort of the corporate America white guilt payoffs so who exactly is the money behind this because it's hard to see anybody who could gain by more socialism because that basically kills I mean that that is might as well throw your money in a big

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might as well throw your money in a big pile and set it on fire who who can make it who can make money by paying the United States to destroy itself well I mean I think that there are foreign entities that that benefit from this I mean you we have seen some reports that there have been Venezuelans Cubans that have tried to infiltrate some of the the leadership of these organizations to try to fuel anti Americanism and so division we know beyond that there there are foreign influences in the black lives matter branding particularly from Russia and China they use these racial divisions to try to stoke more anger and tension in our country but but I think that the that for the most part the call is coming from inside the house I mean I think that that within our country there is there is a grievance culture and this is the current manifestation how compatible do you think black lives matter leadership is with whatever the Intifada

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leadership is with whatever the Intifada if you can even call it that any kind of leadership or at least leading voices do you think black lives matter and anti-fur are even on the same page with each other I doubt that that is a sustainable coalition or a resilient coalition right now they're sort of you know United around a common enemy and sadly that enemy is our sense of national pride and national identity what what those groups have in common is that they believe that America being that shining example that America being the best version of herself is is damaging to to their sense of grievance so how do you how do you deal with the fact that you know America as a brand we like to you know if you love your country you like to put it in the best possible light but it is nonetheless true that America has a violent and brutal racist past they got us where we are now how do you keep your brand and your love of your country while still being honest about how we got here well

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being honest about how we got here well I think we could be honest about the fact that all human history is full of identity based violence full of brutality full of you know sort of human competition and and the negative impulses that that can create all of that said in a world of relativism I'll take the United States and our development and our promotion of values in our sense of inclusion over just about any other human society in all of human history because it creates the the unifying principle of process an opportunity for people you know my my take on all this and I want to see what you think about it is that when we focus on the problems we have taken a sort of a loser mindset which is oh I'm disadvantaged you've got privilege I don't etc and while all that can be true sometimes not but it certainly could be true how does that change the fact that all of us have an individual strategy

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all of us have an individual strategy and if everybody followed the same strategy we'd all get pretty good results meaning pay attention in school don't have a baby when you're 14 don't go on drugs you know work hard have have some you know additions to your talent stack et cetera so there are fairly basic things to do that everybody can succeed which works actually better if you're black frankly because if you knew that corporate America is literally begging for more people of color because they need it I mean there's a lot of pressure on so everybody has a three lane highway in America if they follow the same strategy why are we focusing on the problems and our disadvantages which is just divisive instead of figuring out how to get better mentoring better education better strategy because there's no I had a good strategy they probably all do well III think you're right I agree that when we unify around the common opportunity that exists in this country for for any who are willing

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this country for for any who are willing to work hard play by the rules we draw more people to the cause but I don't think that every every sort of sectionalized a group wants that unity I think that there that there are leaders in some groups of people and I'm not even talking about you know racial identity I mean I think you see this geographically I think you see it politically or people think that division sort of creates an opportunity within their movement for their own advancement and for their own leadership but but I think that when you talk about focusing on on the positive we also have to do that with Americanism and so often like for example in the immigration debate we're told oh well the way Republicans talk about this is xenophobic it's racist my view is that if if we instead focus on that positive that the Wonder the exceptionalism that comes with being an American something so worth preserving and being proud of that that that also can be a more unifying call and unfortunately I think we we take the

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unfortunately I think we we take the bait as conservatives not even as conservatives just as people who believe in America we take the bait and grant the premise that somehow there is something flawed with our founding and with our history and I think if we if we acknowledge that all humans have complications challenges and multi dimensions in our history but that ours is absolutely the best that hopefully that can that can prevail but you know we surrendered the ground in schools you know probably you know 15 20 years ago Scott and I think that we're starting to see the manifestation of the just the like the the egalitarianism that we embraced in an education and this this cultural relativism you know when you look at base problems and you're trying to figure out all right what's where's the big lever what's the most impactful thing we could do it just all comes down to school doesn't it I mean I know some people are gonna say having parents but I'm not sure you can fix the parent thing right away but that the school

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thing right away but that the school thing seems like something that the government could fix if it focused on it it is the great equalizer my dad was superintendent of schools in the community where I grew up he was never a teacher or a principal he was a business person that was elected to the position because he thought that if we could improve the operations of our schools that the outcomes would be better and ultimately they were but but the you know the I think education associations the unions I think some of the you know social justice warriors that attacked curriculum in particular made a lot of progress while we had our eye off the ball you know made a lot of Republicans over the last 15 20 years have been focused on how do we teach your kid coding while the left has been worried about you know how we sand away the the founding values of America and I think they they made progress in that regard you know there's something that you and president Trump and I have in common in terms of mindset unless you disagree with this which is even if I'm looking

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with this which is even if I'm looking at an optimistic future or at let's say a rosy picture of America I do that as strategically in other words I know that when I put my positive thoughts into the universe I just get a better result even if they're unrealistic and and I feel like that's just an intentional strategy but if you look at it not as a strategy it just looks like you're loopy and crazy and you don't care about problems and you don't care about other people but can you could you talk to that is it is it a strategy or is it just the way you see the world I think particularly with President Trump I mean he believes that he can will positivity into existence you know I can't believe that in business and be done with that on the campaign trail and yeah he does it in government it is infectious it is an infectious style of leadership to try to draw people to their highest achievements and and president Trump is unique in that he can at times create a competitive environment in which people literally have to you know create more

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literally have to you know create more and more optimism more and more progress more and more success just to stay at the table and I like that I think that it also breeds a meritocracy around the president and it's why frankly some people don't last long you know if they're if they're unwilling to get get with that type of a leadership style they find themselves out with government as for me yeah I think we still have a lot to be positive about and I think that we have to we have to frame our vision and our values in a way that draw people to our cost look we might not want to admit it but the dominant political movement in America today is this black lives matter movement and and you know the the way I think to combat the downstream effects of that is to unapologetically embrace Americanism and then as you've done on social media push back against the tactics that just try to silence people I mean this whole this whole characterization of white privilege is a racist characterization it's racist

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racist characterization it's racist because it is telling someone be because of the scholar color of your skin you have a diminished contribution to make to our country and to our conversation and and I just don't think that anybody should be told based on their background or their skin color that that they have a diminished contribution to make now not many politicians are willing to say that because they're afraid of being called racist or privileged for saying it but I think that when you tell people the truth that is ultimately the most productive and most optimistic thing you can do you know here's the way I put it you you come across a kid in a well trapped at the bottom of the well is the first question you ask how did you get there because depends how you got there if you fell in the well one way I'm not going to help you but if you fell in the well the other way I'll help you how does that make sense kids at the bottom of the well you don't care if he's black you don't care if he's white kids at the bottom of the well can you help him out right so and and I think that we get lost in the past it's like well this kid got in the bottom of the well

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kid got in the bottom of the well because his parents were you know they were drug addicted and bla bla bla but this other one had a history a legacy of racism and slavery that is rippled into the future which is a real thing you know I don't think anybody would doubt that there's a ripple effect but once you're at the bottom of the well and you're a baby it's just not your fault and and thinking about how you got there is so unproductive when you should just say baby at the bottom of the well what could we do about that all right what would you do about the the protests and the especially the chop the Seattle place do you think the president should be more involved either verbally or with assets how would you handle it look the bottom line is we can't let these things get set up because once they are they do get fortified I mean there are a lot of guns in that place and let's just have some honest talk about this guy we could March the National Guard in there and take the chop the Chazz over in a matter of moments but there would be loss of

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of moments but there would be loss of life and I don't know that this country is ready to handle that and so I'm I'm grateful that in Washington DC as they've tried to set up an autonomous zone the the president the chief of staff have ensured that that will not happen the week leadership in Seattle though can be contagious I think as Americans look at what is going on it affects our sense of security and safety and it also tells the permanent criminal element that they have more latitude now they have more latitude in my town and in your town because of what is going on in Seattle now ultimately I really do feel it it's more like a kin to the Occupy Wall Street thing I think this ultimately fizzles out but if I were the mayor of Seattle there would be no way that anybody would be stopping the delivery of care and ambulatory services and police to people who are in need I think it is it is infectious ly bad leadership and I'm grateful that the president isn't allowing this to be set up anywhere else particularly in our

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up anywhere else particularly in our nation's capital but you would agree this is really this is a tough one because as you said just one death especially caught on camera as we know that and that magnifies it it would just take one death by a government gun and we're right back to square one so you know I don't know that anybody is smart enough to know how long to wait how much force to put on it but I but I saw this interesting development which is apparently the businesses will be able to sue the city and I always say if the government can't work it out the insurance companies will because they because ultimately ultimately every give everything gets priced for risk and it just won't be affordable to be a you know to be bad government anymore it's just you know well but think about think about the impact on the marketplace right if my business interruption insurance risk profile is different because I'm in a liberal City that is going to defund and dismantle the police and keep them from going in certain areas then what will happen is it will

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areas then what will happen is it will be easier to get necessary business interruption insurance in places where you have strong leadership where the law will be enforced so what that will do is create more blight more flight of capital out of these places and and frankly while that will inure to the benefit of states like Florida it's not good for the country to to have such a depressed sense of confidence in areas that have race these values you know I'm starting to wonder if there are some urban areas that just can't be fixed in other words you know maybe you just have to find a field somewhere and build a new city where you get things right from the start do you think the urban areas do you think Baltimore even can be fixed I don't know if there's any amount of money you could put in there because the basic problem is that the leaders are too easily bought if we can be honest if you're a mayor it's just too easy to be bought off by the wrong people now it's so interesting you say that because right now as you and I are talking Joe Biden's team is out there vetting all of

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Biden's team is out there vetting all of these urban mayor's for potential selection for Vice Presidency and I mean my guess is that it's going to be very difficult for any of them to pass that because you're right a lot of it is a is pay-for-play in these urban cities and it's one of the reasons why despite very high taxes despite a ton of money flowing in from the state and federal government quality of life isn't really improving for the people right and so that begs the question well is the Trump strategy of like the opportunity zone the right antidote and frankly I've got some doubts about that like I don't know if when you when you pit one community against another if that's really the role of government like right if you're a Wawa and you're deciding where to go build 50 stores is it really right for the federal government say well if you build them in you know community a instead of community B were we're designing that outcome to try to direct the flow of your capital so I think I think time will tell whether or not the Democrats strategy of you know building the largesse of government abandoning your people and then just sort of being along for the ride for the for the

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along for the ride for the for the neo-marxist revolution is the right play or whether this this kind of Trump play of Opportunity Zones and and seeing if you can socially engineer economic success is the right way I mean I think ultimately the way every American society flourishes is when the uniquely American institutions flourish when we have strong families when we have strong churches when we have empowered parents with school choice you know and by the way in Florida we just signed the largest expansion of school choice in our state's history so we'll be a laboratory for that concept I think I think that's the institutional drink is probably better than the government economic engineering or just the government theft you know I I'm gonna take the third path you know the as you laid it out they're kind of these two general approaches I think the third path is let's be more organized about testing these different approaches because you know I don't think anybody smart enough to know what works that's the problem right if we were smart enough we just be doing that oh that works let's just do that thing we're all

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works let's just do that thing we're all smart but I say if you don't know you gotta test it and then you got to make sure that your test is really telling you what you think it is so it's got to be designed right but it seems to me that you we should just be focusing on all right yours a place that's trying this thing here's the place is trying the other thing we'll check back in six months or a year see how it looks do more of that well and that is the promise of our great federalist system right but but the problem is that you you drain that promise when you have corrupt people that now in some of these urban areas are trying to externalize their conflict right like the mayor of Seattle has a problem in our own in our own community and so she blames Donald Trump for being a racist as the reason why and and it's that that is the most unproductive I think way to resolve this rather than the testing strategy you laid out you know if if I could fix the world it would look like this you'd have teams of let's say consultant type people who could be brought in unruhe quest not forced in to a city to say look we're just gonna have this external

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look we're just gonna have this external team run your city for a year fix things up get rid of the corruption because they're they're sort of uncorruptible because they they're well paid and they come from somewhere else and at the end of the year we'll have a you know have an election and try to put somebody in but the big problem is that the money is corrupting at the local level and if you have people who can be corrupted they will be I don't know that there's anything that can be done about that so unless you bring in almost like Untouchables and yeah I talk about it as like government in a box bring in the government in a box with the intention like a chia pet just add water and your government will grow well but but I think part of part of that type of engagement requires fair free open honest discussion and debate and you know I was listening to you intro Scott about these these voices that have been taken offline and the different dynamics and equities that are being balanced and I have to share I was quite taken when I saw a tweet from a Republican leader nikki Haley recently that when she observed what was going on

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that when she observed what was going on online she was troubled by it but any more regulation would just put lawyers and bureaucrats in charge and that that really is is a an equally bad ill and so she presumed that we just have to sort of sit back and and accept the fact that free speech is eroded in our country and that's loser talk to me I don't think we like I don't believe that we just kind of surrender to the canceled culture and just as we're hearing and you know the social justice base now that it's not enough to not be a racist you have to be anti-racist there's only two groups of people there's racists and there's anti-racists so I want to apply that to the cancelled culture I guess there's either the people who cancel or the people who uncannily and I want to I want to do some uncanny lling I think that even if people have said things that are controversial or uncouth in an unguarded moment or at or in an impassioned moment we ought to have the opportunity to invite the best of the contributions people can make to our discourse and we should not be so frail as a nation that

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should not be so frail as a nation that we cannot hear things that offend us and then respond to it with more productive speech so that's that's my riff on where we are on the cancer so if there were some more government less a muscle or regulation let's call it on the social media platforms what form would that take what would that look like in your preferred world I believe that so digital media platforms availing themselves to the benefits of section 230 of the communication Decency Act should require should be required to be transparent about the extent to which their platform truly is content neutral and I think that you know there is the common carrier approach but there is simply a demand for transparency that can be built into the exoskeleton of the communication Decency Act to say okay well you know if you don't want these liabilities for being an aggregator or a curator or a Content developer then then you have to open the kimono No and demonstrate that it is in fact neutral and I think an appeal process

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neutral and I think an appeal process could be required by the government that that would shed a lot of light onto the decision making that goes into what is promoted what is suppressed what is banned what is allowed but a lot of these that we saw from the undercover Project Veritas video on Facebook there is not so much company regular rules that are changing things but there are individuals making judgment calls and there are lots of them and he changed that I think I think that if that process becomes more transparent it will be easier to identify the sort of corrosive and rotten places within it right now we don't even get a peek we're told these are private companies will have to be we don't we the government we the people really just have to accept whatever our Silicon Valley free-speech Hall monitors tell us and and there is no mechanism by which to like vindicate our own voice and I think that that you you get to that element of the people of

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you get to that element of the people of the people who are running it also I think there have to be consequences when folks like Project Veritas and they are fantastic by the way when they go find these things out I think that there should be investigations there should be reviews the problem Scott just to be candid with you is that big tech has bought off Congress and it's not that hard to do because Congress can't really act if a small group of people are opposed to it so if you go and deploy you know three lobbyists for every US senator if big tech goes and starts hiring the children and spouses of members of Congress for jobs which by the way they do all the time then it really retards our ability to demand the transparency that that would that would fully realize our First Amendment rights yeah I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of rule that says you can't vote if your kid is involved in one of those companies I wouldn't like that let and tell me what given that police reform got stalled because literally nobody in Congress you know wants this what's the solution so much as they want the the

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solution so much as they want the the issue apparently you know I'm accepting you from that well what would you do to break the log jam and let me just throw this idea on top I think there needs to be a national education about police and race just so we're all on the same page about what the data is and what the options are what's the plus and minus R each of these yes unchoke olds no unchoke olds and talk it through would it help to educate the public so that the public can push Congress or is there a better way to get something done well right now in Congress it is all virtue signaling with very little virtue on the on the Polly on the police reform front i i would support various repositories for the type of training data and information that you described so that we are all singing out at the same hymnal you know now it sort of feels like people are striking up different chords in different notes at different times but on the specifics of the policy there are areas of agreement like I am

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there are areas of agreement like I am NOT going to defend no-knock warrants to me like if the government is entering your home and they are not telling you why that is a problem and where I'm from we have the Castle Doctrine somebody comes in your home with the intent to do your harm you know you have the ability to respond with lethal force so I do think that there are ways to improve policing the like like changing the no-knock warrant system but right now Democrats don't want a bill they want the ability to blame Republicans and I think that that that too often is just sort of where we go to in in Washington DC the the solution here Scott is going to come I think still at the local level I think you see places developing different technologies strategies on policing they work to different degrees I think best practices will be copied you know around the country and hopefully that's a way to continue to improve the profession but I'm certainly not going to be a part of demonizing demoralizing defunding the profession and the craziest thing about this bill

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and the craziest thing about this bill the Democrats have it seems to want to put law enforcement at an equal level of force with the people that would terrorize our communities like since when did we believe that we ought to go into a fight equally armed and manned with like the gangs and foreign car tells I mean I I want other people enforcing the log protecting our citizenry to have an overwhelming advantage in force from those who would do us harm yeah you know when we talked about eliminating the police I have surprisingly been open to the idea but only if you start from scratch and develop a community with that expectation in other words you might have less privacy more video surveillance you're more net more neighborhood watch or something but you couldn't get rid of the police entirely but I'll bet you could take it down to 50% well my my view is informed by the vulnerable you know one of the one of the major moments in my life was when I was nine years old and I was in the car

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was nine years old and I was in the car with my mom who was in a wheelchair and she was mugged and like we had to call the police and you know when when you're there with a mother in a wheelchair you start to you start to realize how vulnerable some of some of us are and we need strong law enforcement for the protection of the vulnerable and so I I'm heavily informed by that and I'm so grateful for you know police that that respond and there are circumstances where they're needed alright so I don't want to take any more of your time because I know you've got a country to run here it needs it needs your help I gotta say I've been watching a lot of people on TV on the news and certainly on the the Republican side you were by far the best communicator the Republicans have there's nobody even close at this point and I think that that speaks well for your for your future so thanks for coming on congressman Matt gates and make sure everybody takes a look at your podcast

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everybody takes a look at your podcast hot takes if you just google it you'll find out where that is anything else you want to add Matt just that I'm grateful to be on and hopefully next time I will take fewer than five attempts to connect for a little coffee with Scott Adams but much appreciated my friend all right thanks so much have a great day
all right that was fun now a couple things I've got my list there's an argument that I've been hearing that conservatives make that I think is weak now you know me I'm not taking the left or the right side on things I like to go at the argument so it doesn't matter whose argument it is if it's weak I want you to know about it and the argument goes like this so people will say hey the the black community in this country is complaining about you know economic equality but say the Conservatives how do you explain that the more recent black Africans who have emigrated more

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black Africans who have emigrated more recently are doing far better economically and so say the Conservatives it can't be because you're black because the Africans are doing fine but the people who have been here for a while or not now of course one argument to that would be there's there's a ripple of racism or disadvantage that's built into the system from slavery to today that would be one response but I think there's a far more obvious response far more obvious which is that if you're in another country whether it's Africa or anywhere else it's kind of hard to get to the United States how do you how do you immigrate to the United States it's not easy so first of all you're gonna be a capable person if you can even get to the United States secondly you're probably have to demonstrate they have some education you know that you can support yourself I don't know exactly what the rules are but my guess is that there's a self selection process right

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there's a self selection process right exactly I'm seeing it in the comments the people who are immigrating are self selecting because they're motivated and ambitious and they feel that the American system is suited for their ambition if you told me doesn't matter what country they come from doesn't matter what their ethnicity is if you tell me I'm gonna compare a bunch of people who made it to an entirely new country learned a new language and we're so motivated they thought they would go across the world and fitted into the system and work hard and succeed that groups always going to do well there shouldn't be any surprise that people who self-select for motivation proper risk management you know going to the right place where the energy is best all of that is predictive of success so has nothing to do with ethnicity it's a self-selected group or motivated every self selected motivated group of any group is going to do pretty well compared to everybody else so I would

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compared to everybody else so I would say that argument of hey what about the people who came recently from Africa doing well it doesn't say what you think it says so I would I would drop that argument frankly all right I'm seeing a lot of folks say as I said earlier in the interview or the conversation with Matt Gaetz that a lot of people are saying that President Trump is being too weak in this current protester situation and I don't think that's demonstrably true so the thinking goes that if he acts weak Republicans won't respond to that they'll feel like he's not you would do it his job but I do think people understand that the federal government does and should wait for the local government to invite them in and when your federal government is Trump and you've been accused of being a you know

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you've been accused of being a you know a tyrant racist and that's you're you're one of your worst accusations if you've been accused of being a tyrant racist president do you want to send your military end unrequested under request as being the important part to almost certainly kill somebody and almost certainly there gonna be a person of color just because of the numbers of people in the area at least one and then the whole problem starts up again so I think that people who say he should be acting strong uh I'm not sure he has the options that you think and I think that it might be a far stronger play than you think to simply let the energy dissipate because dictators don't do that racists don't do that you know just just letting the temperature come down because you know once it comes down

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because you know once it comes down you've got a new set of alternatives now in the case of the autonomous zone I think that's a special case because they've you know they do set up a little bit of Defense etc and here's how I would handle that here's how I would do it if I were the mayor and I wanted to clean out that that area I might just invite the public to do it for me now I haven't thought this through but just just bear with me for a moment as men the advantage that the protesters have over police is numbers right the police have guns and training and all that but the protesters mostly they just have numbers but they don't have numbers compared to the actual population that lives there and the actual population that lives there isn't really engaged they're just sort of hanging back but what if they all came to the street and said we got your message we heard what you said and we're

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message we heard what you said and we're good and there are gonna be 10,000 of us standing behind this line of police and we're just going to march with them and help them clean up stuff as they clear the people out so imagine a model where there's you know a bunch of police deeply outnumbered by the protesters who are in the occupied zone and behind the place are 10,000 citizens who are not armed and are just there to clean up literally they're to clean up and so the police come in and just in every foot that they they gained slowly and as non-violently as possible directly behind them the citizens come in and reclaim the territory clean it as they go and it's just to show a force basically but the show of force is just the number of bodies is that they're armed or that they're violent and you'd want them to be completely you know uninvolved with the violence I got this idea from some small town in Washington State where I saw a video of one of the conservative

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video of one of the conservative ex-military people saying you better not try it in our town and his explanation of it was that however many protesters there were there were going to be more people from the town and they're armed and numbers matter right if you had a lot of people from the town relative to the number of protesters well the protesters are gonna bet you know behave themselves they're not going to set up an autonomous zone so I don't know if that's a good idea or a bad idea but I thought I put it out there I tweeted this morning it seems to be pretty popular that if anybody who does these eight things will be successful and anybody who doesn't just won't be which of these a things are unavailable to people of color alright I'll just read them and then keep in your mind can anybody do these things or is it reserved for white privilege type people number one to focus on a useful

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number one to focus on a useful education I put the word useful in there you know what that be it's right an education that has some commercial value so you focus on a useful education which means you know get good grades and then you have a chance to go to college stay out of legal trouble obvious stay away from drugs obvious now that's that doesn't mean you experiment you didn't experiment or you got drunk on the weekend so I'm talking about becoming a drug addict don't do that don't become a parent too soon build a talent snack you know assemble skills that work well together to make you special and valuable be useful to others this is the most unappreciated one you have to create create a set of skills and and uh I guess our personality if you will that other people say hey that could be helpful to me I would like that person as a friend like to mate with that person I would like to hire that person I would like to buy from that person so become a useful

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buy from that person so become a useful person you know what it looks like just be useful as opposed to being selfish all the time but favor systems over goals that's the longer description but a system is something you do every day to get you closer to a variety of goals such as a system for your fitness a system for your diet a system for networking a system for promotion to etc so develop you systems they would be it would be different for everybody but you have to have systems and then learn basic risk management now that's sort of a general statement but a lot of people do things that just are bad risk management I'll give the obvious example let's say you wanted to invest in stocks but you had never been taught risk management so you say I've got $10,000 I've saved up over the years I'll put it in this one stock well that shows that you don't know risk management because that's just a bad idea you'd never put

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that's just a bad idea you'd never put all your money in one stock you you spread it around and hope that the winners cancel out the losers so that's just one example but there are a million examples in life in which you can look at and say ok if nobody told you the odds it wouldn't be obvious like the like the example of diversification as soon as you hear it you say oh yeah kind of makes sense but if you'd never heard the word diversification it just wouldn't be obvious it just wouldn't be obviously you should do it and in all of life is like that the the risks need a little bit of guidance to know what makes sense and what doesn't so my contention is this that of course they're you know weird exceptions if somebody has a health problem etc that those are obvious if you get you know if somebody shoots you yeah you betta I have a successful life obviously but if you do these any things which of them are unavailable

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are unavailable to anybody in this country there's nothing of this list that's unavailable everything of this list is available to everybody and I don't know anybody who can do these a things which are not terribly hard because some of them are just don't do some things don't do drugs don't commit a crime it's not hard to not do things it's hard to do things sometimes but it's not that hard to not do things except for a peer pressure etc I guess there's a new kind of racism lately which is a weird kind when I say new I don't mean it never existed before but it's it's more prominent it goes like this how often does a white person in 2020 you know June of 2020 where a lot has changed about we're thinking about the world even from last year how many white people who are hiring or looking to work

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people who are hiring or looking to work with somebody would be afraid of working with a black person not because they were racist themselves you know even though arguably everybody's a little bit racist because we're all biased but let's just say somebody who has no history and no conscious thoughts of racism which is about as close as you can get and that person has an option of hiring one of two people let's say they're both qualified both qualified does the white person in June 2020 say to themselves that they're equally risky they'll think so because would you hire somebody that you think hates you right it's one thing to not hire somebody because you are a racist very illegal immoral it's you know it's one of the great evils right so if you're

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of the great evils right so if you're the racist that's pretty bad but what if you say to yourself you know I watch television and if I were a black person in America I'd have an attitude right now
now I I'd feel if I had been consuming the same media that everybody else is feeling and I were black how would I feel about white Americans in June of 2020 hmm maybe a little bit of an attitude maybe a little contempt maybe a little thought that there's a little privilege there maybe you think that you're a little bit more racist than you thought even the year ago so is it reasonable or is it racist I guess it would be racist by definition so I answered my own question but don't you think that there's a yeah I'm seeing in the comments that there's a little bit of agree but there there's it's actually a new form of racism in which people will say I'm not a racist but I'm pretty sure that if I hire a black person they will

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that if I hire a black person they will think I am why would they think that because the black community is let's say reinforcing through black lives matter especially is reinforcing that basically all white people are racist even if they don't know it think about that the message is that all white people are racist even if they're not aware of it so would you hire somebody who believed you were racists I would not yeah well let me let me demonstrate my free speech here for a moment if I had two candidates equally qualified and I have no racial animus or feelings or negativity of my own at least my conscious level but I'm positive that the person I'm talking to let's let's say let's be specific let's say it's a black candidate and I'm positive that this person follows the news and is politically active what are the odds that that black person

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what are the odds that that black person has a good feeling about me as just a generic white person don't you believe that they think I'm a racist because I think that's the message that black lives matter wants all black people to accept that all white people are racist all the time but not always consciously I don't think I would hire somebody that I suspected thought I was a racist am I wrong now by definition that would be racist and also illegal right wouldn't that be illegal wouldn't I wouldn't I be sued for thinking that somebody would discriminate against me
that's different right so I'm not saying that this form of racism didn't always exist but it went from something I don't think I ever would have thought about even at once let me put it this way two years ago I wouldn't even thought of that a way wouldn't have even been a a

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that a way wouldn't have even been a a glancing thought across my mind then if I hired a black candidate that black candidate would certainly not like me and it would feel a little bit racist I didn't think that two years ago that's something the black lives matter taught me so while they're training let's say training and educating their own public let's say the the black public to distrust all white people for being racist even if the white people don't know they're being racist under those conditions have the black lives matter has not taught white people not to hire black people because that's what I'm hearing I'm hearing it would be bad for me to hire somebody who had a bad feeling about me and they're being trained to have a bad feeling about me so obviously there's no you can't do that legally so I don't recommend it it's not a recommendation it's a

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it's not a recommendation it's a statement and an observation somebody said something happened to Hogg Newsom but I don't I'm not up on that so I can't comment on that
and apparently tick-tock has been reverse-engineered so you know the app tick-tock I don't know how valid this story is but there was a story of an engineer who reverse engineers apps for a living so he's reversed engineered lots of different apps but when he reverse engineered tik-tok allegedly he found a hornet's nest of obvious spy and tension and things that were designed it just to make you not know what it does and that his recommendation after reverse engineering it is that you should not have that app anywhere near you because it's just spying on you and collecting your personal information so that's somebody who reverse engineered it and he's quick to point out that he is also

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he's quick to point out that he is also reverse engineers I guess the Twitter app some other apps and said that they don't have that all right so if you're saying oh they're all the same Twitter tick-tock it's all the same apparently not apparently not if you reverse engineer the Twitter app you just don't find anything scary it's just an app if you reverse engineer at the tic-tock app according to this one story I'd like a little more confirmation when you hear one story from one source today in today's day and age you got to put that little skeptical check mark next to it so put the the skeptical check mark next to it but there's one report that the tic-tock app is just filled with spy spy code all right and obviously the Chinese government can control anything that tik-tok does so you've got that so the DoD has said this for a long time about tick-tock well why is it still legal what why why can a child walk into

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legal what why why can a child walk into your house with a tick-tock app and by the way you don't have any idea how dangerous that you might find out soon but I don't think you've thought it through to know just how dangerous that is it's not it's not a small thing it if you were going to size it let me put a size on it if you're going to size the risk of the tick-tock app compared to other dangers in your world what size would you put on it I would put it the same size as radical Islamic terrorism yeah bigger no bigger because terrorism probably doesn't have an option there's no real risk that terrorism will destroy the whole country of America that's that's not really a possibility because the nature of it yet probably couldn't happen but could an app destroy civilization actually yes actually yes

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civilization actually yes actually yes so if you have an app just a piece of software that has the potential to destroy civilizations you would you would put it on the same level as let's say North Korea having nuclear arms that that sort of a level so in terms of the level of risk it's the highest military level of risk should it be weaponized and it can be it can be and in fact it's not even hard that's the problem the problem is it's not hard if it were hard that would be a different argument but it's not hard to weaponize it all right why is the government so slow to act with regard to tech well I think it's several things one is you know lobbyists and money and money influence that's part of it maybe the biggest part part of isn't they don't understand how many let me ask you this so I just described to you the

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this so I just described to you the following chain of events China can control tick-tock because it's a Chinese company their algorithm can control what you see therefore they can make anything popular such as for example oh how about a prank where people will buy tickets to or sign up for the Trump rally but not go was that going to be viral by itself ask yourself would that have been viral just because some kid made a viral video about hey we should prank we should prank the Trump campaign a tick-tock an app for children you think that a political point a political thing was going to be the big viral thing on tick-tock an app for 12 year olds I don't think so but it could be it's possible but you don't know now if it becomes popular and tick-tock what happens it goes to snapchat so tic-tac is excused to the young people snapchat does too but snapchat also has

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snapchat does too but snapchat also has young and older people at least you know not old old but older so anything that's popular on tick-tock will eventually become viral on snapchat once it's on snapchat it's everywhere it's Instagram it's Facebook it's Twitter so can the Chinese government to send any message they want all the way through our social media network yeah easily it's not even hard in fact we probably just watched it happen you just don't know oh I'm sorry I'm saying take back inside a tick-tock those of you who are accusing me of being a Boomer you are so right that I embrace it I embrace my full boomer ISM flaws and I do not apologize for them somebody says there was no link under snapchat to Trump's rally really you

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snapchat to Trump's rally really you think you can say with some confidence that no were on snapchat there was any mention of the tic-tock tic-tock prank really that's pretty knowledgeable of you then you know all of the things on snapchat
but in any case whether whether that would move to snapchat or not that's the obvious path that other things could take alright I think that was all I wanted to talk about today yes it is and I will talk to you later