Episode 1025 Scott Adams: Why the Protests are a Huge Success, How to Solve Racism

Date: 2020-06-12 | Duration: 1:03:36

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• “White privilege” is a highly offensive phrase

• Some things President Trump could say or try

• Fed Chairman, Jerome Powell’s economy comments

• What are the political leanings of Derek Chauvin?

• Whiteboard1: Some Good News

• Whiteboard2: Solutions

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hey everybody come on in have you been feeling a little bit tense lately are you feeling that your world is spinning apart well why did you come to the right place at the right time because I'm gonna tell you how everything is way better than you think it is way way better gonna tell you how everything is gonna work out fine because it will and I'm gonna tell you how the country is gonna come out stronger fairly quickly but first we got to get ready gotta get ready for all this and one way to do it is with the simultaneous simp yes and all you need is a cup of our glass of tanker chelators died in the canteen jerker flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure the dopamine hit of the day the thing that makes everything better from the pandemic to the economy to

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from the pandemic to the economy to racism you name it it's getting better as we SEP simul taenia sip coming at you now go mmm yes yes so let's start out with a few little items here on Twitter I was just teasing the teasing this periscope and if you wondered why I say you know where to find me instead of providing a link does anybody know why I do that so on Twitter or what I tell people that I'm gonna be on periscope I don't tell them where to find me I just say you know where to find me and if you look at the comments people are saying where do I find you where do I find you now this of course is a persuasion / marketing technique because I'm trying to make people think that there's some exclusivity about it and there is there

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exclusivity about it and there is there is it's real because if you don't know where to find me you can't find me so it's not powered all they'd have to do is Google it or have somebody on Twitter but I like making it a little bit hard so I intentionally don't tell people how to find me I make them work at a little bit now if you could make somebody work at it a little bit and then they find you the odds of feeling like they want to continue watching you or much higher so that's a little marketing trick for you now that wouldn't work if you weren't already popular in some way so you wouldn't you don't want to make it hard to find you if you're not if you're not desirable to find right so you have to have something about you that makes people curious and then in some cases you could use that trick of acting like you're it's a little bit hard to find all right I would like to continue

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all right I would like to continue pointing out for anybody who hasn't heard yet that the phrase a white privilege is in my opinion and insult to white people and should be banned so that's my version of the n-word while I am completely on board with not using offensive terms that any group finds offensive and they let you know hey don't use that term totally on board with that a hundred percent by the way that's there's no joke if somebody is offended by a certain phrase or words why in the world would I want to use them what how would that help me there's there's nothing in it for me to insult people for no reason and I would like to request the same the same respect so in my opinion the phrase white privilege implies that somebody who succeeds and they're white maybe didn't deserve it which is just offensive so I can't make anybody say anything of

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so I can't make anybody say anything of course you have freedom of speech so you can do anything you want but in terms of information I think it'd be helpful for people to know that when I hear the term white privilege I would imagine this is common but you could speak for yourselves I don't speak for anybody else that white privilege is offensive term it's just completely offensive now that's not to say there isn't something to it things can be true and offensive at the same time would you agree would you agree that we're not talking whether it's true because things can be true and offensive there's nothing there's no conflict there all right there are five days left in my one week challenge for somebody to explain to me in a coherent way
way what systemic racism is with a current example so it's the example part that's the fun part I've had as we went through this yesterday people will give you

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this yesterday people will give you analogies they'll give you historical examples that don't apply like redlining things are currently illegal they'll tell you that there are statistical differences let's say in education and incarceration and those things are all true but they don't seem to get towards systemic as I understand the word so we're still waiting for that at the end of the week well let's say the here's what we've learned already so I cannot yet conclude that it doesn't exist that there's no such thing as systemic racism in fact I would assume just based on living I would assume that there are examples of it and that those examples are perfectly clear and when presented to me even I would say being skeptical as I am that even I would say oh yeah that's a pretty good example but with

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that's a pretty good example but with you I see that but I'm not getting it weirdly enough I I expect it because there's still five days left so I would expect this would not be hard but here's what we know for sure so it is way too soon to say anything like that systemic systemic racism doesn't exist so I'm not making that claim way too early to say that because there's five days left of the test well we can say with complete certainty though is that people don't agree what it is and there's no common definition would you say that would you say that we can say with some certainty that the idea of systemic racism separate from the question of whether it exists at all I assume it does I'm just waiting for better explanations but we can conclude that people don't agree what it is if you asked for examples it'll be all over the board most of them will not be

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the board most of them will not be something that somebody else would say well that's not so systemic that's just an example of somebody being a racist and we all know that exist there's no there's no debate on whether or not racism exists so we're still waiting on that so we'll see how that goes have you seen the the there's a new viral video going around about coronavirus and hydroxychloroquine and vitamin C and dense layers and there's many of you have seen it by now and it features an interview with one at least the part that I saw was one very charismatic nurse I think she's a nurse based on the context now I say charismatic because that's a big part of what makes this video so viral the the person who is doing the talking and being interviewed the person we assume is a nurse she's not she's not wearing nurse clothes oh

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not she's not wearing nurse clothes oh yeah but I think there was a follow-up that confirmed she's a nurse anyway she's saying among other things her claim is that the ventilator misuse is killing people were primed to think that's true she says hydroxychloroquine I think we think basically works every time meaning that in her in her experience every person who's gotten it has lived that doesn't mean it's true right so it's very important it doesn't mean it's true but there is a video of one nurse saying that she's seen lots and lots of people come through because she works in that area with the coronavirus and we don't know which hospital but according to her the hydroxychloroquine works basically every time in the narrow sense of keeping you from dying that is not a clinical study here's what I would say about that I don't find it credible okay

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about that I don't find it credible okay and I think that you could easily be fooled by the because the the nurse in the video who is being interviewed is insanely charismatic as in you wonder why she's not working in the movie business so there's something a little too perfect about her in this context she's just a little bit too good on camera so so that part you know makes me think that maybe it's getting more attention that it would just for the details but secondly I just don't see the statistical scientific weight behind it it's purely anecdotal and it feels like it agrees too much with what a lot of people would want to hear so here's my bottom line of this I'm not gonna say that any of it is wrong because I don't know it could be it could be that everything she says is completely accurate and actually she comes off as

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accurate and actually she comes off as being she comes off as being honest which is different from being right okay so my my human will say my my reading of her as a human being is that she's sincere and my reading of her as a human is that she's telling the truth as she understands it so I think she's credible in that sense but she's also tell you scientific studies it's anecdotal so I would I would just put this filter on it and say I just don't trust any of the scientific conclusions especially when she talked about vitamin C that just felt like maybe she had gone a little bit further than her anecdotal experience would take her so just just be careful of that one it's interesting and I would recommend it I recommend you watch it if you see it but just have a

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watch it if you see it but just have a little skepticism of it I've been asked what would Trump do or should he do in this current situation if you are the president what would you do given all the protests and the temperature of the company country etc how would you handle it would you do a big speech on bringing the world together I think most people if they think the president should do anything they think he should do some kind of big unifying speech here's my opinion of that it'll only make things worse now should the president make a unifying speech kinda has to right it's the job of the president you sorta have to do that if you don't do if you don't even try you're not gonna look like much of a president so I think the president has to make more than one probably and I

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has to make more than one probably and I think there's a plan for one comment some kind of a unifying speech but I don't think there's any chance that won't make things worse do you there's nothing the president can say that won't just give his critics new new ammunition because CNN doesn't need much what was the one they were doing today I did oh yeah so here's something the president said recently the see and then found a criticism with so the presidents of this quote we have to work together to confront bigotry and Prejudice wherever they appear so far so good right what could you complain about that yeah work together confront bigotry and Prejudice wherever they appear good so far but we'll make no progress and heal no wounds by falsely labeling the tens of millions of decent Americans as racist or bigots Trump said so see you then pulls that out and and criticizes

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then pulls that out and and criticizes him for saying that we should not be bigots and Prejudice that's what he said don't be a bigot in any way don't be a bigot against black people don't be a bigot against Republicans just don't be a bigot and CNN calls that out as a gigantic criticism of how bad he is for not for not wording it right did he not word this right no he did he worded it perfectly because he included everyone you said no bigotry no prejudice we should work together to get rid of it and by the way we should get rid of all of it not just most of it let's get rid of all of it including bigotry against you know Republicans basically so is there any chance that if the President did a perfect speech that it would be regarded as a perfect speech now who know even this week I think

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now who know even this week I think three or four times CNN has repeated the fine people hoaxes and the Charlotte was fill as if the president praised neo-nazis which didn't happen the opposite happened he condemned them so if you think that saying the right things can help you haven't been paying attention saying the right things will help at all it will make things worse now he has to do it anyway because you know that you basically have two bad choices say nothing that's really bad say something still bad but not as bad as saying nothing so those are the choices that the smart people are giving the president two ways to lose I don't think he likes that so instead of two ways to lose how about was something else how about instead of two ways to lose we give them a more productive path let me suggest this suppose the president came out and

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this suppose the president came out and you know he has to say all the right things about coming together that won't work but he has to say them but that in suppose he emphasized coming together under interesting huh has anybody done that before has any leader said look we can't do a thing until we agree on the data so let's agree on the data let's put a whole bunch of work into gathering as much data as we can about institutional systemic racism regular racism cops mistreating anybody every cop incident let's get the let's get the ethnicity let's get the city let's let's study this thing up and here's why that's important I think if we agreed on the data the problem would go away now not right away but if at least you if you have the same data everybody would be on the same page the problem is most

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be on the same page the problem is most of the problems in life almost all of our political problems they're all because the data is bad and when I say the data is bad I mean I when I say they do they're gonna make it know somebody said something here I want to get back to the data is bad for climate science the data is bad for the economy the thing is bad for racism the data is bad for who the police are stopping and killing basically every big issue the data's bad right can you think of anything that Republicans and Democrats disagree on in which we also agree on the data I don't know there might be one maybe maybe abortion because I think in abortion we agree on the data you know but but then people disagree on whether it's a good idea or not so but I would say in

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good idea or not so but I would say in general if you look at the things that are most in the headlines recently it's because we can't agree on the data so could the president make any headway by saying look let's just start where the let's start where we all agree is there anybody out there who doesn't think we need to better understand the data when it comes to racism you know raise your hand if you don't want better data nobody raises their hand so you find at least this tiny little thing that you all agree on we need better data and we should put it all in one place or everybody could look at it we'll be on the same page so that's one thing the president could do that I don't think would get pushback study it and make sure that there's some real effort and muscle and and money behind really understand theater in in all of its complexity here's another thing the president could do he could say as I've been saying racism is the problem we should do everything we can do to reduce

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should do everything we can do to reduce it you have to say that everybody agrees with that but you have to also be realistic all right we're we're a certain type of people we have pattern-recognition brains you're never really gonna get rid of it so you should in addition to trying to stamp it down or tamp it down to the smallest thing it could be it's never gonna be zero but you want to get a small that's good but in addition there's an entire leaden tag lected area which is learning how to deal with it ideally you'd want to have none but you can't get there I mean realistically you can't really get there now all the way to no racism we're humans just not going to happen but you can develop strategies that make it so irrelevant that you barely notice one of the strategies for example is just having a better idea that let's say if you're a young black person to know that corporate America wants to hire you

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that corporate America wants to hire you strategically if you developed a skill stack that aimed or a corporate job your your odds of success are basically a hundred percent so would you still have racism probably you know in your daily life probably but would it stop your career nope your career would do great racism isn't gonna stop your career if you have the right strategy if you have a talent stack that there works so the president could tell people to work on strategy and and there's a lot that could be done there you can also emphasize something I'm going to be talking about in a minute a be testing in other words the president doesn't have to say this is a good idea and this is a bad idea the president can say we get a big country let's test some stuff let's just see what works who would be opposed to testing some things small just try try a

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testing some things small just try try a town with no place just try it see what happens try police plus some other change try mostly police but you've also funded some other things just try some stuff who's against that all right oh I'm if all goes well I'll be on dr. carlson tonight so if you want to see more of me I guess there's a big move to cancel Tucker for all the usual reasons that the the left hates anybody and I guess they're getting some success in getting some of his advertisers to to pull back so far Fox News is backing it as far as I know now you know going on Tucker's show at the moment when he's the the focus of the entire country's at least the left not the entire country but the left entire focus of cancellation is Tucker to go on his show you know simply

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Tucker to go on his show you know simply being on the show would be supportive of course to go on his show at the very moment the white-hot fire of cancellation is on him is of course career suicide on my part which is what makes it attractive to me I I don't know what's wrong with me I swear to God I don't know what's wrong with me but sometimes you need a little danger in your life just to feel alive do you ever have that feeling so you really can't go through life with no danger but everybody has their own preferred kind of danger I'm not a big fan of you know extreme sports and physical danger because if you get that wrong you're you're in big trouble but I kinda like social danger not every kind and not all the time but now and then there are things that are just so tantalizing and the the thought of that I would increase my chance of being canceled just by going on Tucker's show that the sealed it for

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on Tucker's show that the sealed it for me that I was going to go because I'm turning down most things this summer most most invitations to go on shows and do interviews I'm going to start turning down just because I have other things to do but as soon as I realized that talker is the focus of all this cancellation energy I thought to myself you know I'd like to be right in the middle of that what is wrong with me there's something wrong with it because I want to be in the middle of that because I want to I want to feel that fire focused on me for a little while just to feel something it's a weird thing about humans that we we need we need to quit the first time I ever heard this was my philosophy instructor in college and you talked about how if you have a loose tooth you know when your kid you're gonna lose a tooth if you wiggle it around it hurts but what do you do all day long if you have a loose tooth you wiggle it around and it hurts and then you keep wiggling it around and

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and then you keep wiggling it around and it hurts and there's no nothing good comes from it but it's one of those things that sometimes you can't you just can't help yourself you go toward pain I don't know what this is about people anyway so I'll be on that I don't know the exact time because and it could change those of you have been watching me for a while you know when I go and book tours I get booked on things and I don't like to tell you too far in advance does those things get changed half the time yeah they get changed so often that you can never guarantee them all right here's some other things that the enemy of the people is telling you
so did it I guess the the Fed Chairman Jerome Powell his remarks made the market go down yesterday and by the way you should always expect there's gonna be a 5% pullback yeah anytime the market goes up as much as it has there's pretty

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goes up as much as it has there's pretty much a guarantee that there'll be like a 5% pull back at least once probably more than once today it's some of the pullback was halved but you should expect more of that this is normal stuff I wouldn't worry about it at all so they're reporting that the Federal Reserve Chairman said that what everyone already knew so according to see you then this is what everyone already knew so ask yourself if this is what you already do that the global economy is in a bad place and there won't be a quick rebound now what did I tell you about the psychology of economics now it is true that the world economy took a big hit so yes we do all know that but when you're the head of the Federal Reserve and you tell people that there won't be a quick rebound what does quick mean and why do you know that you don't really know that what

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that you don't really know that what would be more helpful is to be what Trump is which is a cheerleader because nobody knows if it's going to be good or bad or how quickly it'll rebound nobody knows so if you don't know the only smart and responsible thing to say is could be quicker than you think it could be great because it's that optimism that actually fuels it it's what makes it actually capable of working so I would say that the Federal Reserve chair I would call that in the error because given that he can't predict he shouldn't and he can't predict how quickly the rebound will happen he can't nobody can has just unpredictable so to make a prediction about something that's unpredictable and it's a prediction that hurts the outcome well that's just a mistake now Trump also can't predict because nobody can know nobody knows where things are going with the economy it's just true all the time with everybody but Trump plays it

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time with everybody but Trump plays it smart if you don't know where the economy is going and you're a leader headed the head of the National Reserve you know or the fat I mean of course is a leader of source you should talk in optimistic terms even if you're not sure cuz that's what leadership is this is just a mistake in my opinion and I think if if Trump were to call out Powell on that I would agree that's just the error that's just not doing a good job you should be more optimistic here's something that I wish I'd thought of myself you know the the cop what's his name shoving or whatever the cop who killed George Floyd as was pointed out by a Kevin or bennewitz on Twitter and he said this he called him murder a cop which i think is funny that the cop has his own tag now did murder a cop have a social media history or voting record I

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social media history or voting record I feel like if he was a big Trump or Maggi guy
guy CNN would have told us feels like a dog not barking so from Sherlock Holmes the dog that doesn't bark also tells you something because it means there was nobody in that area otherwise the dog would have barked so the dog that's now barking is that's a little suspicious isn't it that we haven't heard anything about the politics of this police officer is accused when was the last time somebody was accused of murdering a black man and we didn't immediately find out his politically
I'm watching the comments is blowing your mind isn't it people are going oh my god that's such a good point yeah it's missing it's very missing is we don't know the politics of the cop do you assume that he is a trump supporter because you probably did didn't you if

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because you probably did didn't you if you're a racist you probably did but I didn't I didn't assume it one way or another I don't think I even thought of it weirdly enough surprisingly I don't think it ever came across my you know my skeptical part of my brain but it's a really good question wouldn't you like to know his political leanings just a little bit I think you would now I'd love to know I mean wouldn't you love to hear that let's say it turns out he is a trump supporter how happy would you be if it had not leaked because that's how the system is supposed to work right if it turns out he's a trump supporter and I'm guessing he's not but if it turned out that way wouldn't you be impressed if that didn't leak all the way through the trial I'd be really impressed because I don't think there's a chance that's gonna happen but that's the way it's supposed to work so maybe maybe

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it's supposed to work so maybe maybe we're seeing something really good happening here which is a system working the way it's supposed to work without leaks but I doubt it but I doubt it
I'm wondering if the job of ambassador to the autonomous zone in Seattle has been taking because I think I would be an excellent ambassador so I'd like to put my hat in the ring there I hear the autonomous zone is being described as more like a block party atmosphere by the the governor and of course others including CNN are calling you the terrorist atmosphere with a warlord the warlord of course that's probably overstatement of his actual roles but the funniest thing about the the autonomous zone is that it immediately needed an armed police force or if you don't think that they gree that they need an armed security force this this rapper named

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security force this this rapper named Raz even if you think they don't agree they need it they do agree that the guy with the guns is the security force right so I think they just learned that if you have an area that doesn't have guns it only takes one guy with a gun to take over the area correct me if I'm wrong but the people with guns are kind of running the the autonomous zone because of the people who don't have the guns get into let's say a major disagreement with the people who have the guns which way do you think it's gonna go who's gonna win the guns or the no guns so I think there's a lesson being learned there all right let me tell you why I think everything let me tell you why I think the protests have been successful and things are better than you think all right number one I give the government's handling of the

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give the government's handling of the protests and a plus that's not what you think is it don't you think you're that every every part of the government messed up you think the mayor's blew it you think the president should have been more involved what's up with those governors right because we're fed a non-stop diet of our politicians messed up and here you're always watching your favorite news source and each new source is picking on different politicians but the the theme that overall is all the politicians are doing everything wrong all the time basically that was the coverage let me tell you the opposite view and why I would give all of the politicians from mayor all the way through a plus now I'm only talking about how they handled the looting and the protests right I'm not talking about other policies so this is not an A plus for all their performance it's not an A plus for all the things they sad or anything like that just the outcome

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just the outcome what would have been the best outcome from all of these protests and looters well the best outcome is that the police did not kill anybody else who didn't deserve it you know wasn't wasn't part of something that's legitimate so the fact so here are the things that I think you should look for for the again the dog not barking the entire protests in my opinion were a giant provocation for the police in other words the police the National Guard the president all the politicians were being pushed to overreact would you agree that a major risk / even goal of some percentage of the protesters not all of them clearly but some percentage of the protesters wanted a provocation and they wanted an overreaction would you say that that's true did any of the governments give them an overreaction no they really didn't so

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overreaction no they really didn't so you know like a whole bunch I guess scores of police and see and Secret Service at the White House were injured and some of them badly injured terrible injuries we're talking about head injuries lots of them and with all of that no overreaction anywhere no overreaction anywhere not in a city not well most of use in the cities but not anywhere a plus if we you know we're not done yet right there could still be some some bad stuff happening but we've gotten pretty far into this we're a lot closer to the end of least the street protest part of it than we're at the beginning and I don't think we messed up at all this is one of the greatest success stories I've ever seen I mean I am so impressed by the restraint of everyone everyone not

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the restraint of everyone everyone not only did the armed Americans in this country not take out their weapons oh they bought weapons they cleaned weapons they loaded weapons they made sure they knew where their weapons were but they didn't use them didn't use them you didn't see anybody shooting a protestor and here's the weird part you didn't see even the protesters arm themselves and use the use the guns you see people doing you know lots of things for the for the cameras you know people had guns hold guns but for the most part were the most armed country in the world and we chose not to use them it's remarkable a level that I don't think will ever be fully appreciated one of the most remarkable human accomplishments is that we just went through the last couple of weeks not done yet but it's looking good I think we did something close to impossible really

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really so a plus because I think there was a strategy to it and I think the strategy was perfect and the strategy was to listen I think that happened I think the entire country listened no question about it and drain the energy out of us slowly because I think there was an understanding that there was an energy problem just too much pent-up energy years of you know grievances you know that are real and I don't want to make the mistake of some of them giving somebody the chance to misinterpret this the protest didn't happen because it was warm it didn't happen because of the coronavirus it didn't happen because of the lockdown it didn't happen just because of the video it needed all of those things including the you know the the history and and the grievances that have built up all of it had to happen the way it did but once it happened by

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the way it did but once it happened by far the best strategy was to just hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold there's no second part of the strategy it's just a hold strap and just drain the energy out of it while respecting it respecting it's pretty important because I think the entire country respects at least the point you know the the entire country is at least on the page that you know we also have the video of George Floyd being killed I think every person of every type had a horrified reaction in a weird way it brought the country together at least at least on that limited question of whether that was at a balance and so a plus every every governor every mayor and the President of the United States good job that was it perfect no no nothing's perfect but man really good alright I think that we

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man really good alright I think that we have reached a deeper understanding we're not there yet a lot of work to be done you know as I said understanding what the systemic racism the thing is in a way that white people could know what the what the hell are you even talking about would be a big step we're not there but it looks like there is real interest in getting there I have real interest in getting there by the way well you know I don't do this for jokes I do it because I have a real interest I would like to understand you know the black experience better I would like them to understand my experience better that's all good so I would say that the amount of focus that was put on the question of racism a plus if I'm gonna get if I'm going to grade the protesters for getting attention a plus there's no you can't you can't take that away from them right but how about getting something done that's practical I and among I and many other people have noted accurately that there's no unified set

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accurately that there's no unified set of requests and I've said that it would be a mistake to try to offer things because then you're negotiating with yourself that's a term of art for negotiating and it's considered a mistake it's a negotiating mistake to say alright alright you're not asking me for anything in particular but what if I gave you a million dollars and then there's no response here's the mistake okay okay you didn't respond to my million dollars and you're not asking for any particular mouth how about two million that's the mistake you never negotiate with yourself if you don't get a counteroffer you stop you walk away because that's not a negotiation so since the protest was sort of a semi spontaneous semi-organized at least in small cells I guess you could call them you know groups let's say it doesn't have a unified leadership and so it didn't have the capability of saying

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didn't have the capability of saying okay here's our ten stuff ten ten things but even though I criticized that as not good negotiating look what's happening if I'm being honest it's working because you see new legislation being proposed quite seriously Rand Paul just came out on Twitter I think he's actually sponsoring some or co-sponsoring some legislation I don't know exactly his involvement but he's supporting it for getting rid of a no-knock warrants now I didn't even know about no-knock warrants even though that was a thing right did you know that no-knock warrants were a thing well if you were following you know a specific case of racial injustice as as many people believe it to be you knew about it in that one case but I think most of us are getting this new understanding about what's this what's that what's a no-knock warrant because you

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what's a no-knock warrant because you and I have never experienced a no-knock warrant but apparently it could be deadly if you're black you know more so than you know other groups or so that is the concern again if we had better data we would know what is what is true and what isn't but that's the concern now and that's just Rand Paul now he's he is more associated with the right of course but on the Left they also have a number of legislative things going through the system so I forget everything that's on Carla Harris is list but there they all look pretty good to me you know I'm no expert and I can't tell you exactly what you do and do not need in this realm but I looked at her list of stuff and it was things like you know training or national standards for cops and there were things like you know build a better database for police incidents and I looked at the list and I said reasonable you know I would want to

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said reasonable you know I would want to hear the experts away in those things because I'm not but as a citizen I look at the list and I think reasonable quite reasonable now the whole defund the police well I don't think you can take that too seriously really you know unless you're by didn't say I'm gonna defund the police yeah yeah I wouldn't take it too seriously I think defund the police is turning into Trump's plan of funding the police fully but also there might be some other things that are worth funding because when the protesters say defund the police it's not so much that they need you know them to be defunded it's just a conceptual thing to say that that money could be maybe more productive in these other areas of social concern if it turns out that what happens is the police are mostly funded except in some places where they're experimenting that's not bad if it turns out that some things they should have been funded got

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things they should have been funded got funded we'll see it could be good too I'm actually completely in favor of the autonomous zone I know I make fun of it because it's just such a perfect fodder for humor I mean it's got for God's sakes it's got a a charismatic rapper who has become a warlord and of course when we say warlord that's a little bit for humorous purposes he does have guns and he does seem to be handling security warlord is just a funny term for it but it even though it's hilarious and funny and it can't last forever because they don't have a structure to support them I would say that we're going to learn something from this I think that the that the and the end product of this is we're gonna learn something and what I say we I don't mean you and I don't mean me I mean the protesters I mean the

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mean the protesters I mean the protesters are gonna learn something from it don't you think they're gonna have some fun because right now it's just sort of fun but they do have to worry about security they have started in fighting because they don't have a common enemy anymore the common enemy was the police so remember the government's did this brilliant thing and I would say that even the Seattle governor is playing this brilliantly you know thanks idea because I'll bet every one of you disagrees with that statement the the governor from Washington is playing it brilliantly she's described it as closer to a block party than than terrorism I think she's three quarters right right she's more right than wrong I would say based on the pictures I've seen she is more right than wrong but whether or not it's fully a block party or there's something to worry about also I think the way she is trying to frame it is

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the way she is trying to frame it is perfection she's framing it as peaceful which helps you treat it that way which will let the energy just dissipate on its own going in there hard with any kind of force huge mistake huge mistake now eventually they might need to send in some kind of uniform to force to mop up but I don't think the protests can last that long meaning they need food there they're not going to want to stay there they want to go home to you know they're gonna have to go home to see their pets and stuff you just let the energy die out and see what you learn and I think people will learn that running running their own they're running their own autonomous zones not so easy might be useful I would say that the protests led to reopening the country faster most of you would agree right because it sort of made a joke of the

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the thought that we shouldn't leave the house the protesser just made a mockery of the whole coronavirus medical recommendation now part of it was luck because the virus was starting to wind down and we were getting smarter about how to treat it and ventilators and all that stuff so some of it was luck but I think you would agree that the protests that hastened the economic reopening in a way that's irreversible well we're not going to go back to lockup we're just not so I mean that was an unintended consequence and I think that the country will be stronger once we've done through all of this that's less to do with the protests and more to do with just good news because we shook the box and basically everything and that kind of energy and disruption in a country full of entrepreneurs you shouldn't lease just amazing amounts of progress now let me tell you how we can solve all this racism problem if we wanted to solve problems but we don't

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wanted to solve problems but we don't you know we don't when I say we I mean not everyone you might want to solve a problem I might want to solve a problem but the leadership of groups that are let's say active they don't necessarily want to solve a problem because in politics if you solve the problem you have to find another job all right maybe so politicians don't always want to solve problems sometimes it benefits them to keep that problem running a little bit likewise the leaders of any kind of provocative groups so the leadership may be out of sync with the people they're leading who might want solutions leadership mmm it's a little less less certain so but imagine if you will there were no leadership and all you wanted to do was solve problems what would that look like given that people have very different views of the world how could you solve it here's my take on

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how could you solve it here's my take on it I would say that if you looked at the political left and the political right that they focus in different places this part I've told you before which is the left seems to focus on the and state they'd like equal justice and equal pay and no bigotry free health care and free college now they also believe that there are systems that need to be in place to get there but they focus on the end state right so the emphasis is on getting to this you know more equal you know more moral place I would say the political right also likes all this stuff but doesn't it have again it instead they say you know we don't have again all that stuff you could talk about it all day long but nobody knows how to get there in a way that the math works in the country would accept so instead the best we can do is have these systems that are equal for everybody as best we can do it so the cause you have

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best we can do it so the cause you have to tweak these things to make sure they're equal over time but the constitutional laws and educational system if the family process and even mentoring are throwing that in there because that's important so the let's say these are systems but again both the left and the right they both have goals and they both think that you need a system to get there it's just a difference in emphasis there's more emphasis on goals on this side and more emphasis on process and systems with less emphasis on the outcomes because who can guarantee you an outcome nobody can guarantee you an outcome but we can work really hard to make sure that everybody's got the same your rules in the same game so given this situation how would you solve it well if there were no politics and there were no leaders it's kind of easy this would be really easy to solve if there were no political leaders I mean really easy there because there's no problem here in

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there because there's no problem here in the first place here's why the solution is real easy number one you agree on the aspirations let's call them goals is there any is there anybody on the right who if it were free would not want everybody to have health care if it's free like it's not free but imagine imagine if you know or magic let's say magic exists hey magic exists and you go to a Republican hey we just discovered the magic exists and we can give everybody health care for free are you in is there any Republican who would say no no even though it's magic and it's not going to cost me anything it's not going to cost anybody anything and there's no downside I don't want other people to have health care said nobody said nobody right if it were free yeah everybody be on the same page so given that you've got these two points of view I think we could agree on the aspirations there's

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could agree on the aspirations there's no Republican who would not agree if there if we had a way to get there we don't but if we had a way they'd get there I'd like all of this stuff so you could agree in the aspirations no problem I think you could get there you could also agree on the metrics in other words what are you measuring to know if you've got a problem and what are you measuring to know if what you're doing is working well that would be easy do you think anybody would disagree on the the concept of of coming together over what you're measuring to know if it works I think you could make you could get together on that that's not a problem then then here's the part that's the the heart of it making a/b testing more common now a B testing is literally just testing something small and see if it works and if it works you do more of that and if it doesn't work you try something else and then you just keep testing but it's a continuous testing situation why do I like the autonomous

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situation why do I like the autonomous zone in Seattle because it's a test it's a test we're gonna learn something about the AutoZone we don't know a lot but we're definitely gonna learn something now it's not the kind of eight to be testing I'm talking about because if you do it right you plan it so it could be more lasting and you do your best job of planning it the Seattle or autonomous zone was not planned and therefore it doesn't have any structure to support it so we kind of know where it's going to end up you know in the long run it's gonna be dismantled but we're gonna learn a lot and I think that genuinely it's going to be useful and then once you've learned something for your testing you revised your systems so suppose suppose we get an idea from this autonomous zone and somebody says you know the biggest problem is you didn't plan it and also that it belonged to somebody else that's a pretty big problem that that zone that they've occupied that belongs to other people so that's a

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belongs to other people so that's a problem so but supposedly said hey maybe maybe we just need two systems within one country would it be a problem for you you personally would you have a problem if somebody said hey we found some private funding and we and we found some land for sale we'd like to build a little experiment here in the middle of Idaho or doesn't matter we're just find some friendly place saying we're gonna build this thing we're gonna try to do an experiment for a few years with private money and we're gonna try no cops so that's part of the experiment no police we're gonna try to build a place that's really inexpensive so you don't have to be a millionaire and and we'll make sure everybody's trained and educated we'll have some kind of health care so in other words we're just test something see if it works whatever we learn from that will become the next test or maybe legislation so if you had no politicians it would be easy to merge

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no politicians it would be easy to merge these because there are two halves of the whole having goals without good systems is useless because you can't get to your goal having systems with no aspirations or no end state that you're trying to get to borders are they moral that's not the intention I mean there's nobody on the right who's trying to do anything immoral nobody thinks of it that way but if you have processes that don't have a pretty distinct end state of mind that's better for everybody if you're not heading toward something good what are you doing you have to add these together to have anything so if we didn't have leaders we would just add those things together we would agree that we don't know as much as we think we know about anything so we would just test them somebody says next time communism will work I tell you it hasn't ever been tried so everybody who takes a good idea

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tried so everybody who takes a good idea and then exaggerated into a stupid one to make a point is really just surrendering all right so so whoever said that you just surrendered your point because if you have to take a good suggestion and turn it into something stupid just to criticize it then you've accepted that there wasn't enough to criticize of the idea itself so I don't believe anybody has suggested communism I haven't heard that suggestion I've heard socialism if you think they're the same again same problem you've you've you've surrendered if you're gonna call communism and socialism the same thing well you've surrendered because if you can't criticize socialism on its own without turning it into some other thing called communism so you can criticize it well you've you've surrendered you've said there's nothing to criticize with socialism otherwise you would just criticize it you wouldn't have to turn it into something else all right

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it into something else all right people are giving me examples of other countries that have already tried things again let me say this as clearly as possible if somebody wanted to try something in just a small community and it wasn't your money why would you object I know you say you don't think the experiment would work if it let's say it's too heavily socialist I hear you but you also hear that other people think it might right so all that I need to convince you is that there are people have different opinions that's all if people have different opinions and it can be tested and it doesn't you anything you personally no risk why not why not all right the US has never had socialism the u.s. is a socialist country we have lots of

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is a socialist country we have lots of socialism we just do it in a you know specific way are you talking about Chaz with Tucker tonight well I don't know yet
yet so the way the process usually works is so people would go on TV a lot does such as myself know this process so sometime today a producer for Tucker show will probably contact me and say the topics we want to talk about are you know maybe three questions now even if we talk about that topic the host will usually change the questions so so even if I know the questions in advance it's pretty rare to be asked exactly that question usually you know the the more talented hosts are going to put their own spin on the question which is fine so you can never be completely prepared because you don't know what the host is gonna you know

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know what the host is gonna you know improvise also that list of let's say three things that you might talk about on the show gets revised every hour until the show typically because they're always looking at the the hottest news and saying okay okay we're gonna drop this third one because something just happened we'll throw that on top but the other two are still there and then by the time you get to the show who knows yeah there's so much happened in one day that you don't know all right let me just make sure I get all my points Oh Microsoft just announced it will not sell facial recognition technology to the police I don't know how they're gonna get away with that how in the world do you get away with just denying selling something to the police if it's a tool and what exactly does facial recognition do that is so evil we're going to be talking a lot more about that and I'll tell you why so I'll have

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that and I'll tell you why so I'll have an announcement in that in that zone then I'll be talking to you about later so so wait for that all right I think I hit all my oh let's talk about the statues I'm completely in favor of getting rid of all the racist statues I've told you that before I'd get rid of Columbus I'd get rid of all the slave owners I'd get rid of all the Confederate generals now I know you disagree and I respect that so I want you to know that if you would like to keep all those statues and the reason that you'd like to keep them is that you understand that they offend some people but you think they have historical value and that and that that context can be maintained that's a very respectable opinion but it is nonetheless a fact there's something like half of the country is offended by it and for me they're just decorations

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it and for me they're just decorations and if your decorations are offending you know a quarter of your guests or half of your guests you don't need a better reason I'm not going to I'm not going to reason through the logic of it and the Constitution my rights and the laws I'm not going to talk about the details in it if half the country is offended by it and it's basically a declaration because the history is in the history books you know I don't know anybody who learned history from a statue in my whole life I've never heard anybody as well I didn't go to school but I did a tour of statues so I got the same education I wouldn't worry about losing history because you lost a decoration it doesn't work that way yeah Columbus was a huge racist it was one of the biggest ones and if you don't know that just just google it maybe a lot of people don't understand that basically Columbus was he was basically Hitler you know it wasn't far off

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Hitler you know it wasn't far off Hitler literally you know if you if you google it you'll find out yourself so I think that I think it's healthy for a country to reboot and refresh and I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at our historical founders and their full context and if we don't want to promote people who were half awesome and half horrible we don't have to why bother so so I say you know if somebody wants to protect the statues and you know to handle them differently I completely respect that I just think it might this is this has this isn't even a policy decision let me put it in let me put it in personal terms as a policy decision I don't know I'm not really that interested as a personal decision of a

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interested as a personal decision of a citizen who lives in the country I personally choose not to offend other citizens of my country deeply offend them over something that's not important to me so it's that that's like a personal decision in terms of policy well that gets into free speech and bigger things and frankly I'm not that interested but if you want to know what I think about it personally I wouldn't use I wouldn't offend anybody for no reason so that's me that's all for me and I'll talk to you tomorrow