Episode 994 Scott Adams: Convalescent Blood Plasma, Biden, Golf, and Scarborough

Date: 2020-05-24 | Duration: 47:03

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Content: President Trump, Joe Scarborough and an intern Special Guest: Ian Hilgart-Martiszus @IanFelipeSays Convalescent Blood (Plasma) Therapy cure-hub.com for antibody testing Gaffing and decomposing in your basement is gold for poll numbers Alyssa Milano’s crochet mask…it was a trap!

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um did you wonder where I was I'm two minutes late I couldn't get my Wi-Fi working a little power outage last night s things up but I'm good now or back and that means it's time for a little thing you call simultaneous it I call it that too and all it takes is a cup of mud or a glass of tanker gels to design a Kent injector flies got vessel of any kind hello with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure the dopamine the end of the day the thing that makes everything better including the damn pandemic it's called the simultaneous if and it happens now go mmm
now if you joined us last night I had a little technical difficulty I was trying to bring on a special guest to talk about convalescent blood serum and as

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about convalescent blood serum and as soon as he's ready we're gonna try that again this morning so I'll wait to wait till see when Ian gets on all right let's tell him we're good now in the news my favorite story is that President Trump apparently wanted to go golfing this weekend Behati didn't want it to be the biggest story so what do you do if you want to go golfing and you're the president and you don't want it to be the biggest story for three days well on the way out the door to golf what you do is you to send a tweet that accuses Joe Scarborough of murder
they have to appreciate how much fun that is now of course now for the family of the victim who died many years ago but the fact that Trump would accuse

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but the fact that Trump would accuse somebody of murder before he goes golfing is beautiful so I see Ian as joined so let me just finish the story a little Adam on now here's my take of that now on one hand it's completely outrageous and inappropriate that the President of the United States would accuse Joe Scarborough of murder when there's no indication that he actually murdered anybody there was some young woman who hit her head and died in his office years ago now that's all we know and she had some health problem that suggests that she just passed out yet but the fact that the president would say that now you say to yourself well that's all wrong that is so wrong that is wrong on a level that's deeper than any wrongness except except we are talking about Joe Scarborough who did lie about the president in the worst possible way for years I believe he

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possible way for years I believe he accused the president of suggesting people should drink bleach that never happened I think he suggested the President had called neo-nazis in Charlottesville fine people that never happened so is it fundamentally different to accuse somebody of being pro-nazi versus saying you murdered your girlfriend they're not that different really because once you have accepted that you can say absolutely anything in the political context there's just no penalty you can say absolutely anything the president just took the rules and said what are the rules of the rules are you can say anything really just anything I can just make up anything and I can just say it public and it's a headline all right how about joe scarborough's a murderer we'll

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about joe scarborough's a murderer we'll see how that goes went pretty well all right let's see if we get Jana Ian on the line this will be a test of the technology I think we got it
it I think we got it Oh seriously because I know we had a Wi-Fi problem yesterday and it looks like we got a Wi-Fi problem today well whatever the problem is doesn't look like that's gonna get solved I'll try it one more time but then I think we should maybe give up on this if it doesn't work this time yeah and we'll try you one more time yeah hey let's make this work the this is the first time the technology has worked more than five seconds so I feel good about it that's a good sign all right good strong signal all right Ian first of all let me see if I can pronounce your name correctly Ian Hill guard Martius pretty close yes yes you nailed it all right can you tell

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yes you nailed it all right can you tell the audience what your background is and how that relates specifically to the convalescent blood plasma testing situation give them a little background on you okay so my background is that I worked in bioscience for about ten years and then I ended up kind of leaving academic bioscience and taught myself to program and become a data analyst and started working in corporate and for a corporation as a data analyst and when the co good stuff started to hit I would figure out ways to harvest public data to do public data analysis that I could publish so to help people understand the situation a little better and then through that process I started to you know think about different answers that

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know think about different answers that I thought we needed that maybe we weren't getting from the media and one of the things I thought about as well as you know what can we do now what can we do before there's a vaccine because there's going to be people who can't wait that long and the development of new therapeutics that takes so long that a lot of people would end up dying while they wait and so you know we got to figure something out
out in the middle so tell us what you did because I was I was sort of following the law early on and and you put together your own tests right well it wasn't necessarily my own test I bought a commercially available test kit I just happened to become aware of its existence pretty early I suppose in the way that I became aware of it is that I

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way that I became aware of it is that I just got like a spam email because you know when you buy something from a vendor they put you on a mailing list and then they always blast out these kind of spam advertisements and so I got one of those that said oh hey we have these Ovid 19 antibody tests and so I thought oh I want to buy one of those and my friend and I were just going to test ourselves so we so I bought one and then it had space for 40 tests and so I thought well I might as well just fill this whole thing up and run 40 tests and kind of get a better sense of how many people are positive because at the time it was unclear of how far spread the virus had been so so you are really I think you might have been the first person who did and an amateur or professional test of how many people had antibodies do you know anybody tested before you know I as far as I know I was the first report or I

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as I know I was the first report or I did publish the first report about or on a community kind of serum survey for over nineteen antibodies now so you've been sort of paying attention his little serum antibody thing and I know there was a there was a article in The Wall Street Journal that said they had some small 39 people or something and how did that go so yeah we positive on this convalescence Europe I mean the idea of taking blood from somebody who's been infected and recovered and putting their antibodies and somebody else what's the state of that in terms of the science I know you're surveying the field there yeah so on Friday I believe the first convalescent serum therapy clinical study was published in the authors claim it was the first in the world publish or at least the largest and so they did treat 39 patients like you said with

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treat 39 patients like you said with convalescence serum therapy and it was controlled so there was a group that did not receive that treatment and there was a significant improvement in survival with the group that did receive the convalescent serum therapy there was about twelve point eight percent death rate for the convalescent serum therapy group but it was twenty four point four percent for those who didn't receive it so that means that the serum therapy cut the death rate in half and that was for people who were pretty close to death to begin with and I think I saw in the article that they they just assumed it would work better if he had it earlier but hasn't been tested I guess now is there any reason to think that any of this would ever be dangerous does it it doesn't go through it wouldn't have to go I know this is sort of outside your area but I don't think this would have to go through whole FDA with it the whole FDA approval because it's their

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whole FDA approval because it's their antibodies is something we know well enough that we don't need to go through the whole tastic well well it is actually FDA approved now at least with an emergency use authorization so that was one of the first things that became approved as a treatment for carbon 19 because it is generally safe there's a couple of different things people generally test for like blood typing you want to match the donor and recipient and then Rh factors but other than that it appears to be safe so if well what would happen if you didn't match wouldn't hurt you or would it just not help you suppose you had the wrong blood type match yeah it could it could definitely hurt you down the road I'm not you know it has been done without blood type matching in fact when it was first used or the reports I've seen when it was first users from the early 1900's and

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first users from the early 1900's and they were not doing blood type matching at that time but all those reports showed significant improvement well well if you had to guess based on you know isn't there there are two other cases where they've used this convalescent blood serum approach right was it HIV was one well I don't think it was used or I'm not aware of it being used for HIV but the treatment for HIV is monoclonal antibodies and same with Ebola and so it's similar in a way because convalescent serum therapy is used basically using antibodies it's more of a kind of gross product of antibodies where you're just taking everything under the Sun that's in somebody's serum and giving it to somebody else and you're not selecting for one specific antibody but it has

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for one specific antibody but it has been used in SARS there is actually a guy who got the 1901 Nobel Prize for the development of Serapis in he solved diphtheria epidemic in Germany in the 1890s by using serum therapies and that's kind of where it started and so he's the pioneer in the field his name's Emil von Behring oh do you do you know what it would take to scale this up like let's say that in a few weeks we said yes this is the thing we need more of this given that you have to actually take it from people unless you're using machines to clone it I guess how quickly can I know you did some calculations on how quickly you could scale up well what what would you guess I know this is an unfair question off the top of your head but let's say if we were to say start today and said all right we want to get everybody kind of lesson blood serum therapy like how close are we to being

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therapy like how close are we to being able to do that is that something that scales up very well um I think that is generally reserved for the people that are in poor condition you know in the hospital so not everybody is gonna need it but for those people it would be possible I is obviously gonna be dependent on your area New York got hit so hard that I don't know if they would have been able to keep up with demand but generally speaking you have about 5% of cases who end up in the ICU and those are the people that would be candidates to receive the therapy would they really because why wouldn't you give it to people even before they have it so that they if they did get it they could handle it more easily just because of scalability it is tough you need to do on plasmapheresis to get the plasma from donors you also have to be checking people ahead of time to make sure that

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people ahead of time to make sure that they actually had an antibody response against the virus let me ask you some sort of detailed questions if you're gonna draw blood from one person and turn that one person's blood into antibodies how long with the whole process take from putting the needle in to draw the blood to to having it in your hand and ready to give somebody else I think that you can do quest my paresis in a couple of hours it depends on obviously how much you're trying to harvest the amount that the FDA allows I believe for a donation is a liter per week or two liters every two weeks and then in the study that you're taught you were talking about they used about 500 milliliters which is a half a liter per patient so it looks like I don't lift it you don't need go ahead it did to simplify that each donor giving one donation could handle how many people

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donation could handle how many people for it looks like if over a 2-week donation period or two Huffer one one donation if i donate blood once how many people would that handle to say oh that's good that's kind of hard to scale isn't it yes exactly and so that's why I say it should be reserved for only the people that are in poor condition or in the hospital now if you looked into the I don't understand the the differences or the nuances of monoclonal where you're just taking you know the best antibodies you can get from one real person and then you're cloning it with machines to scale it up it is is there a limit to how quickly you can do that if you just keep building machines you couldn't could we do a ventilator type thing or we just say all right everybody's building monoclonal devices if you looked into those do you know yeah so

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looked into those do you know yeah so that they're not yeah those are the first therapies that will come online for carbon 19 is that monoclonal antibody therapies it takes a little bit of time to develop because of the process you build what are called hybridomas and that's a fusion between a cancer cell and an antibody creating cell and the cancer cell makes it immortal and then the antibody secreting cell is fused and it starts just producing antibodies and mass and then you can create a ton of those cells they're all identical and make a bunch of antibodies in a bioreactor and that's being done now it just takes a little bit of time to identify the specific antibody secreting cell you want to use that's making good antibodies now what once you've identified the antibodies isn't it just a question of making more of those machines and more of those facilities couldn't couldn't you just keep scaling it up and definitely correct yeah you

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it up and definitely correct yeah you could especially if you know you somebody identified a good antibody secreting cell and then made the hybridomas and if they were to share those with other people and kind of decentralize the production and make it scale faster that would maybe be a good way to do it there's also you know you should be probably combining a lot of different hybridomas to get good coverage for your antibodies make sure that they're there's a good protection there do you have you heard I haven't seen any news coverage of the monoclonal anything didn't do you know if anybody's getting any traction actually doing that I haven't seen anything that's become available yet with those I've seen some anecdotal reports about strong protection there I think last week there's a report from a company that said they had a good candidate but you know it's still a little early and the

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know it's still a little early and the other thing is that there's a difference between having an antibody that you can see recognizes Kovan 19 and then also whether that antibody neutralizes the virus so I've actually seen some evidence in my hands where somebody can test positive for antibodies that recognize the virus but those antibodies don't necessarily neutralize the virus and then conversely somebody could have a low level of antibodies that you know recognize the virus but those antibodies are very strong at neutralizing so there is no off there so and do we have any more visibility on how long antibodies would last let's say you got them either naturally by having it recovering or you got it from from the plasma from somebody else do you know Israeli difference and how long they would last you know that that's a good question I don't you might expect

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good question I don't you might expect there to be a shorter window for donor antibodies because they might have start to get marked as non-self by your immune system and then kind of removed but it's a tough thing to study because you know you start to get this mix of potentially like antibodies made by yourself and antibodies from the the donor and how do you differentiate which one came from which but I think generally like two years is what a lot of people say if you look at data from the original SARS patients two years of protection is what people are getting at least so I'm at least some got protection out to seventeen years so now would what do you say that it comes down to literally just how fast we can make this stuff I mean that's really the gating factor right because at this point we kind of know it's safe and we kind of know it works or all common sense says it works right

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or all common sense says it works right I mean it would be hard to imagine it doesn't work yeah yeah it definitely works and one of the limitations is just getting access to the people who are producing those antibodies so that then you can kind of identify those antibody secreting cells and scale this so I would encourage anybody that's ever had it and recovered to look into getting tested for antibodies and look into donating their serum for a convalescence serum therapy because every you could donate every week or every couple weeks and that serum can be banked for the future where maybe in the fall we have a second wave or something so I think we should be stockpiling serum now I'm in anticipation for the fall and winter kinda interesting so there's there's I'd never heard before which is we have all these strategic stockpiles of everything from oil to PPE and ventilators it would make perfect sense

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ventilators it would make perfect sense stuff a national stack the stockpile temporarily I don't know how long you can store this stuff but it would that makes perfect sense of a national stockpile of convalescence Europe that's actually a great idea I hope somebody's watching this we can do something about that yeah yeah good yeah and that like I said requires people who have had it to get tested for the antibodies and be kind of active participants I think that a lot of people are looking for something that they can do to help nowadays and that's one pretty easy way to do it and you know I I think that those people should get paid to donate their serum a lot of them have probably accrued pretty significant hospital bills along the way and this would be a way to offset those bills for them and oh yeah oh now you now you're this is interesting so you're talking about how this might be a money-making thing are you aware of anybody who's ever charged for their antibodies for any kind of

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for their antibodies for any kind of situation does that ever happen I'm not aware of a specific instance where somebody's donated their antibodies because they just had greatest antibodies out there but you know there's plasma donation centers all across the country I don't know the name of one offhand but I know there's national chains of plasma donation centers and they pay people the this is very interesting because you know I I think that the patriotic mood in the country at the moment is so high that you could get all the all the blood you wanted but basically if the if the President of the United States said here's the deal if you've tested positive I need you to do this go in and offer your blood we're gonna try to see how much where you get I believe that patriotism alone would give you all the blood you wanted but if you really wanted to take it to the next level people are people and if you could offer

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people are people and if you could offer more money to let's say go in in time or the third or fourth time as you're suggesting I would imagine that a monetary incentive would probably have a gigantic yes yeah yeah and I I've talked to some people about you know the monetary incentive and people get a little bit uneasy sometimes about that but my perspective is that you know it's going to be administered in the hospital and is the hospital making money yeah so why shouldn't I don't yeah exactly now so we've got safety it's really just a production problem it seems to me and it's almost like gosh it feels like this is such a big deal you know every the the biggest deal of course is wearing masks but I would think that the second most promising thing you know if we have to wait for vaccines for months and months but the things that we can do now

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months but the things that we can do now the second most promising thing is probably this what do you say yeah in terms of things that we know that work and not having to wait around for something that you know may never actually happen right we there's no guarantee that we'll have a vaccine or anything like that but we know this works and so you know why not embrace it well we also pursue other avenues to solve the problem so that is yeah good I was just going to point out so I started a company that we're going to be doing antibody testing as well and I'm specifically doing a neutralization tests which means we're not just testing for the presence of antibody we're testing to see whether your antibodies neutralize the virus and we plan to take that data and kind of publish it on publish the de-identified data on open source dashboards for anybody to check out just so everybody can get a general sense of where their

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can get a general sense of where their community is in terms of relative protection and then I plan on creating an avenue for people who test positive for neutralizing antibodies to be sent information on how to donate their plasma right so we'll be identifying those candidates and so then they should be told you know here's what you can do if you're interested in helping other people with your unique situation or unique set of antibodies so I've been watching the comments and I just I just want to call out something that I always talked about winning attitudes and losing attitudes and I'm watching a lot of losing attitudes in the in the comments specific specifically people who don't quite appreciate and I'm gonna make them appreciate it now the power of your talent stack because people are sort of saying oh data analyst what's that got to do with this but the whole point is that you knew how to draw blood you know how to get these tests you've got what

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how to get these tests you've got what do you say your background was a biological what by bioscience yeah so he's in a bioscience background so it basically compiled a whole bunch of skills together including starting a new business initiative to try to help with the coronavirus so what do you see Ian jumping in and I was watching this from the beginning and on day one Ian was saying alright I have this at a talents how can I help in this coronavirus thing and then I've been watching as you've you've you've grabbed you know like one piece of one piece of it at a time and tried to assemble it into something that would be bigger than the parts and I've been I've been completely impressed not only at the early data visualization stuff you're doing because initially you were doing data visualization some of the best ones I've seen on the internet and then you found that your talent stack gave you all the way to here and actually you know there you know it could be a you know one of the pivotal at least informational parts of what would be the

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informational parts of what would be the second most important thing we do after masks so I'm very impressed at why you've done and for those who are we don't have the winning mindset what the hell did you guys do let me just say that while you're out in the line to you limit to your tricks because because you know there's always going to be somebody on the air blah blah I hear this all you know hey you're a cartoonist why you do this little lot but all of those people you're not very successful I'll bet because if you're worried about staying in your lane and you're worried that people only have one Talent Ian's got more than one Talent sorry if you only have one Talent maybe you don't understand how that works but if you put enough talents together you have a superpower and I think this is a perfect example of it so Ian thank you for being a a patriot and I mean that seriously because in in times of crisis not everybody runs toward the fire and you did you know on day one you were running

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did you know on day one you were running toward the emergency you know what can I do and we need more of you and less of the people who were picking I I really appreciate that Scott and I just want to point out before I go that I can't do it all by myself I have a lot of help from Mikkel Staten and Brianna Knight they've been helping me get cure hub going and you know it everything's you know about being on a team and winning team and you're we're all in this together and no one person can make anything work and I think it's you gotta treat life like a positive sum game and then you'll start to find some yes all over the place well that's something that's America in a in a nutshell right there so thank you so much do you want to name a URL that you want people look at yeah you can go to cure - hub calm and we have a system in place where you

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and we have a system in place where you can sign up and get reserve your spot in line to get antibody test it and then you don't pay anything but you'll get on our mailing list and then as soon as we have the antibody tests approved which should be a couple weeks then we'll let you know and then you can join the study and you know donate a sample to get tested we'll test you and yeah that's all right so thank you thank you again thanks for being a great guest I'm gonna go on with the rest of my program and I'll catch up with you can I do one thing I miss the simultaneous sip can I get another one live I gotta do it all right I will give you the the first ever second simultaneous sip and all you need is a cup Ramona glass tank any kind you ready cheers Cheers

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the second simultaneous sip even better than first all right thanks again thank you bye all right so you know I as much as that the topic is interesting because in my opinion is probably the most important topic besides masks but I also wanted you to get get a feel for Ian you know just just to feel for what you are fellow citizens if you're American and I'm sure it's happening in every country around the world people are just jumping into the breach any people are running toward this thing like crazy you know when this is over when this is over you're gonna be really proud that you were a human because humans are pretty awesome and and and humans have done remarkable things in the past several months and there's a lot more to come so you know we're all lost in the details and just trying to get through life and you make it to the next time you can buy

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you make it to the next time you can buy groceries and I know that that's got to be the focus but when this is done when this is done there gonna be some real real things to be proud about all right let's talk about some other things I got a suggestion on the locals platform where I've moved a lot of my non Dilbert stuff from Anholt I don't know that's one name and Nolt and alt anyway I don't know his real name but he started referring to people who watched CNN and MSNBC as the poorly educated
how much do you love that so I'm gonna I gonna adopt that that concept so instead of what I'd be what I used to be saying was you know it's two movies on one screen and some people are siloed in their in their news and they don't see the news from the other side and I used to sort of describe it as you know in

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to sort of describe it as you know in engineering terms but I thought this is so much more powerful just say it oh you only watch these networks well you're among the poorly educated because it's literally jus literally poorly educated which i think is hilarious cuz you know how much they can hate that so apparently in the in the polls including a Fox News poll Biden is ahead of Trump by way more than even Hillary was ahead of Trump at the same time so apparently Biden is doing great by staying at a public and just gaffing himself and decompressing at his basis now I don't know what could be more ridiculous or more funny than the fact that Joe Biden is his basement you literally just you know decomposing and

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literally just you know decomposing and he and he sees what great honestly are you ever just a home and he just are laughing about the whole Joe Biden in the basement situation because you know the the Biden and the basement things sort of crept up on us right like it was like hey I think there's this virus and move on all right yeah and yet in like it looks like it might be coming this way all right and maybe we should you know stay away from public a little bit and next thing you know a major candidate for president is living in his basement and babbling nonsense and be and because we sort of got there gradually we've sort of accepted it
go on are you are you sure uh-huh can you tell me that you've never just you just sit there by yourself and suddenly you just sort of realise the

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suddenly you just sort of realise the situation we're in would Joe Biden decomposing in his basement and leading leading in the polls to be the next president of the United States I don't have his fingers on the nuclear on the nuclear button if that's not funny to you it is but here's the thing that's funniest I'm not positive so you know you can't you know don't hold me to this later I'm not positive but I think I just think we might be witnessing the greatest practical joke of all talk and what I mean by the greatest practical joke is I think I can't prove this I think conservatives are massively lying to pollsters because it's funny right dude tell me I'm wrong don't you don't you

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tell me I'm wrong don't you don't you sort of suspect because if you were saying to yourself okay I get that president Trump's not popular and you know all the Democrats are gonna vote for whoever the Democrat is yeah I get that you know that's gonna explain most of what you see right but the the fact that Biden's down there decomposing and leading the polls strongly suggests it strongly suggests that what we're seeing is a really large national scale practical joke because if the if the polls still say Biden by eight points and then Trump wins by eight points it's going to be the greatest troll of all time honestly it will be it will be the most epic practical joke ever played in the history of practical jokes and I think that's what's happening am I wrong

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think that's what's happening am I wrong get am i completely off-base because I'm seeing a lot of people in the comments were saying I think you're right I think you're right I think the Republicans are just lying to the pollsters because it's funny speaking of funny pranks Alyssa Milano got photographed wearing a crochet mask and you can imagine how the internet reacted to her crochet mask they of course said hey there are holes in your crochet therefore you fool you idiot you dumb Democrat you bite in supporting fool you fool how could you wear a crochet map mask and worse yet if you're gonna wear a crochet mask don't get your photograph taken if you're famous and so of course Twitter went on fire it's like doesn't know anything you

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it's like doesn't know anything you idiot your crochet bass and then Alyssa Milano waited wait hold hold hold and then it was ylim Alyssa Milano tweets to one of her critics carbon filter inside love it was a trap it was a trap do you think she knew that people were gonna get out or about her crochet mask which she says and you know I think it's probably true she says as a carbon filter on the inside it probably does probably does because if you've got those good n95 masks they're the ugliest of the masks so if she figured out a way to put a you know a more pleasant cover over the ugliest mask which is also the best kind of mask maybe maybe I don't know if it was an n95 but she said a carbon filter

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was an n95 but she said a carbon filter so maybe that's good - all right if you're not watching I've said this a million times but if you're not following Mike's or a on Twitter you're missing one of the best shows it's like it's like a TV show that just goes on all the time it doesn't have a beginning or an end like every time every time I get on Twitter I don't see like five certain if it's quotes and everyone does it makes you stop and go huh but this one if you want to understand how to operate on the next level this this tweet from sorry this made me laugh for two days if this is the whole tweet he goes self-confidence triggers mediocre man
now of course the beauty of it is you can't complain about without being labeled the mediocre man so it's like this perfect little trap it's like I

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this perfect little trap it's like I want to complain about that because I'm really mad about your self-confidence I'm like sort of but if I do complain about it does that make me a mediocre man so yeah watching sort of itch build these little Twitter traps for a mediocre man that's one of the funniest things I've seen on the Internet telehealth has taken off I said this before but there's even more signs of it have you seen all the commercials telehealth is basically just huge now we thought that might happen but apparently it is happening the the last thing benefit we're gonna get from telehealth it's gonna be gigantic and the ability to you know practice across state lines which i think will become permanent would be huge and again thank you to all of you who helped make that happen so that's just checking in on that because it's such a big topic and it's go in the

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it's such a big topic and it's go in the right direction so it's always good to hear some good news all right what else we got going here there's some kind of drug called ivermectin that's getting some good reviews and I guess it it can interact with other medications and has some side effects and stuff but there were some initial trials that you know sort of look good so I've heard nekton there's another one I think that in the next over the next few weeks you just gonna hear one therapeutic after another and it's just gonna be all positive news now if you've done the math I did this last night in periscope I was talking about all the things which have cut the wrists down so masks are supposed to be 75 percent effective distance of course is completely effective maybe vitamin D maybe summer will make a difference in the warm weather you know maybe what we've learned about nursing homes and how to protect them maybe what we've

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how to protect them maybe what we've learned about ventilator use not to kill people with ventilators if you if you take each each of these many pieces of good news each of them individually reduces risk by some percentage from 75% with masks down to maybe vitamin D makes a difference or maybe it's just correlation we don't know if it's causation yet but maybe hydroxychloroquine and zinc if you get a Merlin he's 20% benefit maybe there's some people we can get with this convalescent blood serum so we now have off the top of my head maybe 10 to 12 different things we've either developed as
as tool or learned which also allows us to reduce risk I feel like we have all the tools to within a few weeks we're gonna have the risk down to it's gonna approach to zero I mean it's almost gonna disappear I think monoclonal

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gonna disappear I think monoclonal antibody is almost ready somebody says yeah and that could be huge the monoclonal antibodies just could be huge all right and then somebody says primer primarily immune system strength let me ask you this I want to see this in the comments when when this whole thing started I was advising everybody to just make sure they took care of their immune system so in other words you know get out get a little light exercise get some Sun get some sleepy right you know all the usual things how many of you have done that how many of you in the comments it'll take a little time like here but in the comments tell me if you feel that you've done something that would boost your immune system have you have you intentionally boosted your immune system with all the yeses Wow almost every person every so far every

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almost every person every so far every person who's answering you saying yes think about that well what kind of what kind of change does that make in your life and in civilization if suddenly 370 million people just decided to get serious about boosting their immunity and their health oh my god I am so impressed uh for those of you who are listening to this it is a non broken string of yeses I've never seen so much agreement somebody lost 20 pounds bicycle riding outdoors yes definitely yes yes yes yes immune system way up yes oh my goodness I am so so impressed very impressed I've never seen anything like this are you as impressed as I am take take a look at these comments coming by they're still absolutely solidly yes holy cow this is

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absolutely solidly yes holy cow this is one of the this is the most underreported story of the year isn't it wouldn't you say this is the most underreported story if if we had not had a corona virus and suddenly you found that 370 million Americans and I'm guessing other countries doing something similar if you found that you know hundreds of millions of people suddenly took seriously their health what did we just do to the entire health care cost of this country how much of this is going to become habit you know I'm wondering if you think that you'll be able to turn this into habit the trouble is you know a lot of us not going to work in the normal ways we don't have the normal schedule so it's gonna be harder when you're trying to work it in with your normal schedule but wow I am so impressed with all of you genuinely somebody stopped smoking congratulations congratulations on stopping smoking that

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congratulations on stopping smoking that is hard alright so well that might be the good news for this may be our healthcare cost just took 20% hit simply because we're we're in better shape and we know how to do this so where can you outdoors shoot I don't understand that question all right well I'm impressed with you all and I'm gonna leave you on that note hope you learned something today and I'll talk to you tonight