Episode 957 Scott Adams: The Psychedelic Mushroom I Accidentally Ingested Called CNN

Date: 2020-05-06 | Duration: 53:15

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Content: Watching Anderson Cooper CNN is like being on mushrooms Why state governments are best for reopening decisions Disbanding the task force, it’s time Moonface Ben Shapiro’s clear description of coronavirus situation

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[Applause] well it's a very special evening edition of no coffee with Scott Evans because it's it's the evening who drinks coffee at night this guy yeah call you off-guard did I do you have a beverage do you a bong or a joint that's fine whatever beer it's good it's evening you can we're not all working tonight but I am I never sleep but you should it's good for you join me now for the bonus simultaneous up it's happening now do you like them
so um let's say you know one of the things that we do not give enough credit for and sometimes every now and then I

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for and sometimes every now and then I think we should pause and show our respect for the healthcare workers specifically not only are the health care front line workers handling the biggest pandemic in a hundred years at great personal risk but on top of the pandemic they're also handling an epidemic of people who are ingesting disinfectant and man are they doing a good job because I don't know about you but I haven't even heard one problem with that yet have you because I know there's a lot of it going on because the press told me it was a pretty big problem and the fact that you're not hearing much about it just well I'm led to believe that our health care workers are handling not only the coronavirus Wow but they have they've reduced this epidemic of disinfectant drinking - you don't even hear about it anymore it's

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don't even hear about it anymore it's like it's like it's not even in the new I mean you can't get better than that so slow clap for the frontline health care workers make you seem like the epidemic of drinking disinfectant wasn't even real I mean seems like it but we know it was so I made the mistake of turning on CNN tonight and it's really hard to do this next part where that was stopping to pause every few seconds and saying I'm not making this up so if I could maybe just say once in the beginning that anything I say for a while until til I tell you otherwise I swear to God I didn't make it up it's actual real so I turn on CNN just for the laughs honest to god that's why all right not a

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honest to god that's why all right not a joke man was I not disappointed the experience was like being on mushrooms and I've talked about you know the this one time I'd ever done mushrooms when I was 21 I guess and the the thing I took away from that experience the mushrooms was that you could experience a whole different world but everything still worked you know every everything looked different and new and and wonderful and bizarre and you know you'd never seen that anything before you know you'd look at a chair and it was like you'd see your senior for the first time maybe like you'd be amazed by it but at the same time you knew what it was that's a chair you sit on it you'd know how to work it so it was like everything in your world changed and yet somehow you still knew how to work it it was the weirdest experience but turning on CNN and seeing an alternate universe it's just absolutely mind-blowing it was actually for a while I felt like and

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actually for a while I felt like and this again I remember I told you I'm not making this up so what follows is not an exaggeration it felt like an almost psychedelic it's because that because I got to feel a whole different reality and I spent enough time in it then I started to feel like what it must be like to be a full-time inhabitant of that movie let me give you a taste of what I learned in ten minutes of CNN this was a Anderson Cooper show that the coronavirus is unstoppable but the president stopped it wrong I mean that's a little hyperbole but there's some some version of that that there's nothing we know how to do in any possible way that could stop this thing and the president is at fault for not stopping it and I'm listening to this I'm saying do you not know that

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this I'm saying do you not know that those don't go together then if it can't be stopped it's also got to be true that you couldn't have stopped it wrong because of the can't be stopped park have you noticed I think to myself that every country is doing something completely different and getting largely the same result is it has anybody brought that up then no matter what cut what any country does we don't know why some things worked and some don't there are some that are actually giving a better result but we can't identify any one thing or a combination of things with any kind of real liability that would tell you why it worked it could be that none of the things the government is doing makes any difference it could it could be entirely social it could be entirely density it could be entirely how many foreign travelers there are it could be entirely where you are on the timeline of you know getting it already had it we don't know anything about this

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had it we don't know anything about this thing but the thing we do know is we don't have a stop it not even a little bit so in the other universe of CNN it's an unstoppable problem that the president is a big old dope because he didn't stop it
you know of course I'm putting my own words to it but that's the sense you get from watching it he had some woman who was an expert on pandemics and the SP yester sort of what the best-case scenario was so here's an expert on pandemics and here's their best-case scenario so remember the context is that the Trump administration has done bad things they haven't handled the right right that's the permanent context the Trump administration totally incompetent so it would be reasonable to say well if everything they've done is wrong what would it look like to do it all right

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would it look like to do it all right and so they have they give their pending expert a chance to give them the best-case scenario if you did everything right give us the rosy picture what what would it look like to be competent and she said this that we'd we'd develop a coronavirus of vaccine by year end and it would be the really good kind the kind that doesn't even need to be refrigerated and we would get 20 million people signed up to be like a an army that would scour the world and we produce tons and tons of this this vaccine that works and we've got it in record time and the 20 million people would go across the world they would find every villager and every remote City they give him a vaccine BAM and then she said but that's kind of impossible because you know why it's impossible there's no way that's gonna happen by the end of the year and if it

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happen by the end of the year and if it did by the end of the year we're gonna be pretty close to her immunity whether we like it or not it's not our plan but by the end of the year by the time we have scoured the planet with our 20 million people what year is that is that even 2021 2022 so the best alternative to all these mess ups that this dumb old ORMs stupid monster of a science denying wargs thing all those mistakes are not nearly as good as the alternative which was clearly explained which is magic magic because there's there's no other solution oh that's the best case scenario is literally something that can't happen do they even know how to compare things that's not comparing things when you compare things you're supposed to compare it to something that that could happen if you compared to

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that could happen if you compared to things that can't happen you're doing it wrong for example if somebody said hey Bob you know what are your career aspirations and Bob said well I'm gonna go to law school I get good grades go study hard try to be a lawyer not bad what's your other alternative Bob well other alternative is I'll sprout wings out of my ass and fly to Mars Bob that's not actually an alternative because what that has going working against it is the impossibility of it because you're not gonna sprout wings out your ass and fly to Mars so really you haven't offered me an alternative you've just told me an impossible thing so you're doing it wrong there's a terrible example but you know you know where I'm coming from oh I'm not done yet then Anderson Cooper spreads the the

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then Anderson Cooper spreads the the idea that the president disbanded the crisis task force wait for this do you have to hear this Anderson Cooper speculated because he did say that he can't know what somebody is thinking and then he went on to tell us when somebody is thinking but at least he admitted that it can't be done before he did it that's progress and he said that he's speculating anyway that the president disbanded the coronavirus task force because way for it he was embarrassed for getting called out
out for suggesting that maybe people should ingest disinfectant to cure the corona virus which as you know but apparently the viewers of see you then don't know never happened he puts it out there like it happened that didn't happen president was talking about light as a

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was talking about light as a disinfectant there is a real product in testing right now that injects literally injects the disinfectant the light into the lungs they don't know if it works yet but it's based on solid science they're real real you know serious companies doing it it's not the shady people so but on CNN they're still days after it's been the most widely debunked story in the face of debunked stories they're still they're still reporting it like it's fact and I asked myself because I really don't know the answer this do their viewers really think that happened I mean imagine living in the world where you think that the leader of your country may have tossed out the idea of drinking bleach and just think about that think about you wake up in the morning and you're like ah if you start screaming because you know you woke up

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screaming because you know you woke up into a world in which your leader is an orange monster who's encouraging people to drink poison and die that's actually what you think you woke up into an actual world like that and why would you think that because of some of the news it's actually on the news but of course it didn't happen so alright but there's more there's also the the magical thinking that the president should have done something sooner alright that's that's gonna be that the main attacking the president is he didn't take it seriously sooner but of course the reason he didn't take him seriously is that the experts were advising him and they had not yet turned up the heat so he was doing everything that his critics asked of him which is he was he was very clearly and quickly and unambiguously following expert advice it just happened to be wrong so you'd think they would mention

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wrong so you'd think they would mention that you think that would be part of the story that yeah maybe he was a little slow on this based on our perfect hindsight but are all of the reviewers so dumb that they don't know that we only know it now we didn't know it then if it was so obvious then tell Tony Fauci because he didn't know apparently you didn't know now of course China is to blame for giving us bad information so there are perfectly good reasons for it but on CNN those perfectly good reasons which are China lied foul Qi was fooled foul she gave trump bad advice based on bad data from China Trump followed the bad advice that's the story when over over on the over on CNN he just started late that was so different that is not even the same universe yeah he was just yeah he was dumb he just started late and their viewers watch

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started late and their viewers watch that they go yeah big a little dumb orange monster told us to drink bleach and he didn't take a pandemic seriously my god I I'm so afraid of what's going to happen I need Joe Biden stat they they also talked about disbanding the task force as if that's crazy now here's where having some experience and different domains really serves you well and I'm gonna guess that there may be some you know experience lacking and the people who are on the that episode and here's how this works when the government disbands the task force that is not the same as not working on the problem but you'd think that they would explain that anybody who's had any experience in a big organization knows that it is very common to you know build build a task force it does its work and

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build a task force it does its work and then you know when they get past the critical period as we as we have in the sense because we now have enough supplies we have enough ventilators we have a blueprint of a plan you know everything that can be done by the federal government sort of been done which is that they backstop the states to the point where the states really want to do their own thing the citizens of those states will want the state to make the decision they don't want the federal government to make it and and the president said well who gets who is the best here's the beautiful part we can't tell the difference between genius and stupidity we really can't you know we think we can but we can't it looks identical because both a genius and a stupid person will do something that doesn't make any sense to you so if you don't understand why somebody's doing something just keep in mind there might be two reasons not one one is that they're smarter than you right this might this might be an

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right this might this might be an example of that so the way CNN is reporting it is that the president's just sort of trying to put the responsibility of who dies on the states so that he can get reelected because people are going to die no matter what but if the president says all right it's up to the states then the responsibilities of the states and it's a political move and so the president has cleverly moving responsibility for killing people off to other people now is that what's happening yeah yeah that's one of the variables but of course it's SIA then so they can only handle one variable at a time so is there anything that a president does that's not political you know a few months before the election no come on everything has a political dimension but is that the reason that you turn it to the states around and now I think you said at the end of the month now the reason that you turn it over the States is genius

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is genius it's genius here's why what if I and by the way this won't be the first time I've said this so if you remember some of my earlier periscopes I was making a big deal about the fact that the federal government is the wrong instrument for making the decision because it is a life-and-death decision and you put your president in this position and he should not make the decision and the position is this mr. president do you want the poor people to die the sick people or the old people because whichever way you go is going to move is move the emphasis there's a lot of overlap in those groups obviously but the emphasis of who dies is going to be largely determined by whether you're favoring the economy or the you know the absolute avoidance and health aspects of the virus so the President did what the Constitution understands he should do

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Constitution understands he should do push responsibility down whenever it's practical more importantly if it's a life-and-death decision which these are that also needs to be pushed down to the closest level of authority that's the it's closest to the individual because if you're going to make life-and-death decisions about me I would much rather have somebody who lives in my house make the decision and if that's not possible I want one of my closest neighbors to make the decision if that's not possible somebody in my town if that's not possible my County if that's not possible my state if that's not possible alright last choice is the federal government but if it's life and death and it might kill me or it might kill my grandmother and somebody's going to decide do you go or as a grandma I want that decision pushed down to the lowest level and I've been saying this right I you know I know I always get

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right I you know I know I always get blamed for defending the president no matter what he does but but you can fact check this that I've been saying it for a while the presidency is the wrong place let me also tie this to something I've said consistently for a while - and the question of abortion I've said that the only person who shouldn't be in favor of abortion under any circumstances no matter what party they're in is whoever is the president and the reason is that the president should be the only person in the country who will never kill an American period now you may be you know the death sentence for federal offense ISM and the military are sort of separate things but you want your president to say if that's a gray area I'm out if it's a gray area about who lives and dies in the United States of the innocent citizens or the arguably innocent citizens when you're talking about a fetus different opinions you don't want the President on that

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don't want the President on that conversation that's the one that's the only person in the whole country who should say I'm out I'm out you know drive that down to the lowest level because it's life and death now if you can get away with the Supreme Court handling it that's cool but in any case the president should get out of that decision and they should get out of the life-and-death decisions for the coronavirus and by disbanding the task force the guidelines are in place I think the public can very much look at the guidelines from the federal government they can look at what their stated invariants to those guidelines and then they can look at the other states they can make up their own mind I mean I'm not sure we'll ever be able to you know for sure who did the good job there are just too many variables involved but we'll be able to look at it and if he asked me this is really exactly the right time to disband the task force I believe we have we got tons of information how much of it was accurate right the task force gave us probably you know

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the task force gave us probably you know more inaccurate information than accurate if if I'm being fair now that's not necessarily their fault because there was no accurate information to be had so they were passing along the best they could with the best intentions but the result was that we were now better informed you know were you better informed because they told you to mass don't work and I mean I don't have to go less right you're not really better informed and so I think we've been we've we've all been educated up to the level that we don't need the task force anymore so I would agree that's the right time to get rid of it I'm totally on with that decision but here's the funniest part of that Everson Cooper episode he had on a guy who was the he had done the former CDC emergency preparation person okay this is really important what his job was in a I think in a prior administration he had been in charge of emergency

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had been in charge of emergency preparation at the CDC and Anderson Cooper had him on to talk about what is it the CDC is doing right or wrong at the moment and do you know what he did not ask him you're in charge of the CDC emergency preparation why didn't you prepare because we have been all prepared by now because you are the head of emergency preparation and maybe there's a good reason there might be actually a good reason why we're not prepared and the Anderson Cooper was interviewing with the guy who was in charge of preparing now one of the questions you might ask would be hey guy who used to be in charge of preparing I'm just curious why didn't you do some preparing could you answer that question

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preparing could you answer that question that question was not asked because because the narrative of the show is that Trump is you know orange man bad so I guess that didn't come up all right so much happens since this morning it's interesting here's a question for you I was listening to dr. Carlson's show and he was talking about going through the whole timeline of all the bad things that China did to conceal how bad the corona virus was and then worse that they not only concealed it but they
well they they concealed it and then they bought a bunch of P P P P for themselves meaning that they got a bunch of mass and they yet started buying stuff so they'd have enough and then by the time the rest of the world found out that it's actually a pandemic and we would try to buy ventilators and masks that wouldn't be any because China would have them all now let me ask you this

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have them all now let me ask you this this is gonna be a real mind effort all right you ready for this I know you can handle it but only because those of you have been watching my periscopes long enough you can handle a challenging thought without retreating to your bias I I'm trusting you to do this alright your China your President Xi your experts come to you and say we got a problem we let down a coronavirus it looks like it might destroy much of the world could be hundreds of millions dead we don't even know how bad this thing is but I'll tell you what we're gonna run out of medical supplies really fast what do we do now your President Xi you have two ways to go one is complete transparency you say immediately you tell your peers in the scientific community immediately alert the UN and the World Health Organization and tell them that we have created accidentally

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them that we have created accidentally but we've created this massive problem and you all need to get ready what would happen well what would happen is China would not have nearly as much access to medical supplies right but if they don't tell the world then they can hoard the supplies let me ask you this which one did their population want them to do yes the people in China had been a democracy and they could vote on that question which of course wasn't possible but if they could have voted would they have said you know it was an accident and it's every country for itself we have the advantage that we found out first because we created the accident but it was an accident and it's every country for themselves and by the way this could be so bad that if we take care of ourselves well enough we will be the

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ourselves well enough we will be the leading country in the world when this is done because this might take out the United States what would you do if you were President Xi and moreover what would you do if you were any resident of China and your choices were telling the world and your own population you know dies on the streets for lack of medical attention and the right proper you know protective gear your entire country is destroyed your economy goes to hell there's cannibalism on the streets or you make it somebody else's problem because after all what is the motto of the United States the motto of the United States is not let's treat everybody equally and nope the motto of the United States is make America great again America first what would we do if it was the United States what would President Trump do in the

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what would President Trump do in the exact same situation but in the United States if somebody came to President Trump and said we messed up this virus got out this is totally our fault but if you tell the rest of the world 10 million Americans are going to die if we put it off and make it their problem there might be a hundred million people who die in other countries well we might be able to save 10 million here and we're not even positive about that I mean we're kind of guessing but it feels like that and they say that to President Trump what's he do would president Trump stay true to his often stated philosophy of America first because if he did he'd do the same thing China did or what do you say this is bigger than all of that this is just bigger than all of that now I don't think the president Trump would have even had the option because we don't stop freedom of speech so if it

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don't stop freedom of speech so if it happened in our country our scientists would just talk to the other scientists that would be it so wouldn't even be a question of the president being involved in the decision the information would just flow out like it does from the United States so I just put that out there to say nobody is harder on China than I am as most of you know they killed my stepson with their fentanyl and 2018 at least night I blame them at least partially of course he's to blame primarily and I hate them more than anybody hates them trust me but I look at this and I say this is a real one-off I don't know if any other country would have acted differently I don't know do you do you know if any other country would have acted differently because I don't know now I don't think that that matters in terms of how we treat them because they did make their choice and part of that

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make their choice and part of that choice is that they would have to accept the blowback in other words they made it they made a decision with full knowledge I assume right they had to have full knowledge that the there was a high likelihood this would all come out and they would have you know possibly devastating long-term effects but maybe it was just a better bet maybe it was if their economy opens up sooner than ours and does better faster than ours it was a good bet so Adam those are the things I'm thinking so did you see other story about the the British scientist expert who recommended quarantine for everybody and lockdown for everybody and then found out that his married mistress was coming to his house during the during the lockdown and then going back to her family like oh my god I don't have anything to add to that story but if you haven't seen it just go read the story

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haven't seen it just go read the story for entertainment purposes because it's just it's just jaw-droppingly awful alright here's the funniest thing that happened which is that President Trump finally decided to give a nickname to Kellyanne Conway's husband now before we laugh about this let me explain something about humor for the few people who don't know now I've often said that one-third of the public actually doesn't have a sense of humor but even the people who do have a sense of where there are you know varying degrees and there's there's a nuance that I don't know if everybody appreciates then it goes like this if if an ordinary person had made a deep insult about Kellyanne Conway's husband what's his name George George Conway and and made that comment about his physicality you know any part of you know what he looks like whatever that wouldn't be funny even if the actual insult was kind of clever I don't think I would be amused

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clever I don't think I would be amused by that because this is random person saying an ugly thing about somebody who you know maybe isn't the best-looking that's not fair like I I'm not cool with that at all but when the most powerful person in the planet calls George Conway who is of course the president's biggest critic probably when the President of the United States the most powerful person in the world calls George Conway moon-faced well that's just funny I'm sorry that's just funny that's just plain funny now I get that not everybody thinks that's funny but the part of it you have to understand is that it's the president's position that makes it funny because that's the thing that makes it Addison out of sync right if an ordinary troll says an ordinary insult to even a famous person you don't

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insult to even a famous person you don't even register it it just doesn't mean anything there's because it's it's completely within the expected universe so remember I was teaching you the I think I was teaching you about humor and how if you can create a situation that makes sense but it doesn't make sense then people's laugh reflex will be triggered so you want to create situations that have a humor logic to them but there don't actually make sense and then the brain will try to make them make sense but it can't because it doesn't make sense and then you'll laugh and sort of like being tickled it's like the reflex well if an ordinary person insults another person there's nothing under here about that and your brain just processes that Oh troll insults victim BAM no laughs but if the most juvenile and yet super clever which also doesn't make sense that it could be juvenile and super

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that it could be juvenile and super clever because it's both so that's the first thing that shouldn't fit together it's like wait a minute that's juvenile but it's also like ridiculously genius but it's also juvenile but to do what I'll can't be a genius and so that's the first thing that hits your your humor reflexes you can't reconcile that it really is kind of genius it's just juvenile at the same time and that you can't reconcile why why any of those two things would ever come out of a sitting presidents you know thumbs and and then you just go I can't even understand this and then you just start laughing because it's all things that don't belong in the same place now the president you know I've often said that he's he's unable to be uninteresting I don't know if he even knows how to be uninteresting his just normal normal mode is always interesting and part of the way he does that is that

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and part of the way he does that is that he makes things he puts things together that your brain doesn't want to put together like you can't quite make sense of it but you sorted know what he's talking about and he doesn't so often the you you lose sight of it as a technique they use continually putting not quite logical things together and your brain is trying to keep up and it's trying to meant them together as he's going and while you're struggling with the last one he's already on to the next one it's like oh but how will Mexico pay for the wall I don't even know how that works and then he's on to the next topic and so if you know it's part of the show you can really just enjoy it the way many of you do the way I do I mean and it's just from an entertainment perspective is just amazing right but if you think he's evil and he's up to up the bad news you just think he's a double guy rambling so you missed you missed the show did you

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you missed you missed the show did you notice that the idea of closing the streets in front of restaurants actually is catching on so you've probably heard me mention it you probably heard a Greg Gutfeld mention it on the five I think you mentioned it like three different times on the five probably other people have had the idea as well and the idea is that since you need space and it's always healthier to be outdoors with this virus situation that where you have a density of restaurants you know if you have several of the moments or a Main Street as long as you have you know surrounding streets so you can go around just close the street now in my town we have that exact situation we've got a tiny little downtown it's mostly restaurants or a lot of restaurants not mostly a lot of restaurants and they fairly frequently close the street for like street fairs and events and stuff so it's sort of built for that it's just perfect so I sent that idea I guess there's a restaurant in Tampa doing it there's some other people playing with it and it's just the obvious solution so

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it and it's just the obvious solution so I sent that idea to you know one of the best restaurant guys in my town to see if he can make that happen um let's see what else we got going on here oh speaking of Greg so the president tweets this just like out of the blue you know you know I told you the other day that the president tweeted to me like three times in a row the other day and you wake up to the president tweeting you it just doesn't even feel like a reality anymore you feel like you're in some kind of weird other world again it's like doing mushrooms again and so imagine the you know you're Greg and you just you know you just you just you know wakes up like it's any other day you know goes to work does the thing and then somebody says do you see what the president tweeted what you didn't say what did you see what the president tweeted about you what now I

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president tweeted about you what now I don't know if it went down like that but maybe then anyway this is what the president tweets he goes wow congratulations to Greg Gutfeld a one-time Trump hater who has come all the way home which is hilarious his ratings easily beat no talent Stephen Colbert nice guy Jimmy Fallon which is just a wonderfully dismissive insult nice guy Jimmy Fallon and wacko last place or Jimmy Kimmel Gregg built his show from scratch and did a great job and in doing so and I love that last line oh that last line is just that yeah the dagger you can feel the dagger going in just because you know that Gregg to beat all of these people and he's a you know he says good things about Trump now and then so you know Trump's just putting the dagger in and the dagger is like it's an inch in and then he gets to this last line and you know and you could feel like oh that hurts quite a bit that bagger is about an inch in LA and then the president says Gregg built

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and then the president says Gregg built his show from scratch just stop and think about that you know all these other three guys who didn't get as good at ratings as Greg Gutfeld get some on the Garfield show Greg Gutfeld show every one of them just inherited it a show that had such a long time audience that they couldn't have ruined it if they tried think about the difference between just inheriting somebody's chair which is largely what the other three did and convincing wait for this convincing a conservative news network to run a humor irreverent show at night well how do you even do that even obviously you know read I gave him some some traction on that but so the guy's on you know to top-rated shows for their time time rates you know the

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for their time time rates you know the the five and Greg Gutfeld show but I just love the way the president through these other guys onto the bus and then backed over them and then ran over them and backed over him again but when you throw in that last part was like he built it from scratch from nothing nothing that's a whole different level all right have been Shapiro tweeted the probably the best description of what's going on right now so you should take a look at that tweets rant I tweeted it I tweeted it so you can find in my toward the top of my Twitter feed and he makes the following point which I agree with I have one small disagreement which I'll mention and that is that what Ben Shapiro points out is that we don't have a plan that we sorted didn't notice it meaning that our

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sorted didn't notice it meaning that our original plan made sense we were going to try to spare the hospital's from overcapacity by bending the curve and we were going to do that with social distancing mission accomplished I'd say wouldn't you so that plan seems to have been successful but now we're at the phase where that plan is doing his thing and has been s and and then what like what's what's the next thing no I obviously they're gonna try to open up businesses slowly and cautiously you know that but are we why aren't we just opening them all are we are we holding out for a therapy eunuch are we holding out for a vaccine that's never going to happen are we what exactly is the long-range plan because if the plan is that we have to basically

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if the plan is that we have to basically just live with it which means getting it if there's herd immunity would that be great if there's not herd immunity well that's what it is but we don't really have an option anymore you know I've said people are already criticizing the president for not starting soon enough and you know and maybe being too fast to end it so he gets he gets blamed for both sides but I'm not so sure anybody knew you know what was the right thing to do all right so here's the point we we have to recognize that there is no plan to get rid of it right there's there's nobody even suggesting that something could happen for it to go away certainly not before hundreds of thousands of Americans die from it but we did there's some reason we're not saying that why can't we just say that and Ben was making this point as well that we should be able to expressly say

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that we should be able to expressly say this is what we're gonna do we're just gonna live with it because we don't really think there's anything that's going to change within the planning horizon and if we don't get back to work it could be too late so so I think his point of view is good now the one thing he said that I will slightly quibble with is that he said if you don't have a timeline you know an estimated time of when you're gonna do what then you don't have a plan I would disagree with that because I think in the context of a ever changing situation where your data is different every day there having a plan almost doesn't make sense we're really more in a situation where we're responding rapidly which I would call a plan so we certainly have a plan of rapidly responding to what we learn as we
we if we developed a therapeutic that works we would rapidly implement it if we learned that genetics make a difference

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learned that genetics make a difference we would rapidly and progressed it so I mean that is the plan but it doesn't require a timeline because nobody knows when this vaccine might or might not happen when some therapeutic will work or not so I wouldn't worry about the timeline part of it but it is true that there's something like a lack of a plan now part of it is people don't want to say that they want to kill old people unhealthy people minorities and poor people and who does right who wants to say in public you know if it's up to me I'll save this group and kill this group well I'll go first how about I go first so here's your choice Scott you've got to have a policy that would favor or not favor any of these groups the elderly the people with comorbidities and the poor now there's

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comorbidities and the poor now there's an overlap of course but if you do something that helps people financially you know helps the poor you're probably going to kill a lot of old people the people with comorbidities you know they probably have bad luck no matter what you do and so Scott who do you want to kill old people or poor people many of whom especially are African Americans who have a special risk apparently fit with the coronavirus so you're gonna kill old people or African Americans go ahead Scott santé say it in public who are you gonna kill are you willing to say that in public and you would kill old people or you would kill African Americans and poor people go ahead say it
it okay old people that's my choice I choose old people if you can say that to or even if you can say the opposite but if you can say it out loud you get to

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if you can say it out loud you get to sit at the adult table you could be right you could be wrong I would only ask you to have good intentions you could be selfish that's totally allowed you can say you know this is good for me yeah I don't care about other people this is the way I want to go it's just good for me if you can do that and say it out loud you two get to sit at the adult table because you can be selfish as an adult you're allowed our system allows you to vote for who you think is going to help you that's that's built into the system perfectly fine but if you can't say it you got to stay at the kids table and then you just pretend like there's magical solutions and magical vaccines and everything you know and you don't have to make trade-offs you know that's the kids table go sit there so so I said it out loud I would save the poor and the african-american community first to the extent that your policies you know can can have an

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policies you know can can have an emphasis I'm not even sure if that's possible but if it can that's the way I'd go so in other words I would go back to work a little bit faster than maybe some others not so fast there's crazy and really I said before I said this morning that if it turns out that you have to wait another three weeks in California that's what it looks like another three weeks three weeks probably isn't the difference between living and dying it's probably not the difference between your company failing everybody's saying so but keep in mind they're all economically ignorant let me tell you why things are not as bad as maybe you think in terms of the companies that are going out of business you're going to hear all these stories from the from the financially ignorant portion of the press which is almost everybody saying that you know all these restaurants are going out of business and closing etc what they won't tell you is what is the landlord going to do what are the what are the you know what what do they do

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are the you know what what do they do with a building that used to be rented and now it's it's still a restaurant but they own it what are they going to do well the smartest smartest thing the landlord could do is make a deal with the owner of their restaurant owner and say look you didn't pay me for three weeks you're totally underwater but so is everybody so is everybody can you come back and you know the best thing for me is I my best thing for me is you come back because that's the best thing for the landlord and that will always be left out by the financially illiterate that all these companies that are declaring bankruptcy and closing and saying they'll never open up again that's not exactly true quite a few of those that think they're closed for good are going to come back to a world in which people are way more flexible than they imagined they're going to have banks that say you know you're bankrupt I'll still give you a loan imagine that

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I'll still give you a loan imagine that imagine a world where you're going to be able to walk into a bank and say I'm bankrupt last week will you give me a business loan and the bank will look at you and say were you in business three months ago in a successful restaurant yes I was and then your restaurants actually are hard to finance so that may be a restaurants the worst example because it's gonna be hard for them to get a loan but it's always hard for restaurants to get the funding but for an ordinary business the the bank is gonna say I'm not sure I care that you're bankrupt I care that you know it's a real business and you can pay the bills but everybody who came in this week is bankrupt it's like it's universal now so I think that you could hear a lot of fake bad news that people will imagine as if somebody went out of business in a world where everybody else didn't but in a world where massive numbers of people went out of business the options are very constrained and the

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the options are very constrained and the most obvious best option for almost everybody is to get really flexible and put those people who are out of business back in business as quickly as possible so I think they could be at a business and then back in business faster than you think just because it's the easiest way to go for everybody all right those are the things I won't talk
somebody says another three weeks is ridiculous well it might be ridiculous and scientifically but I don't think you'd be ridiculous in terms of death I you know I don't think anybody will die from poverty in three weeks and I don't think it'll be a measurable difference all right Texas woman put in jail for cutting here oh that's the other thing I wanted to say when this is all over when when all the restrictions are off and everybody can move freely I want us all to share our stories of

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want us all to share our stories of massive cheating during the lockdown I know you got your stories I know you do I see you you're smiling you're smiling because I know that you snuck somewhere you saw somebody you know you did you let some people come over to your house you know you did I see you're smiling you yep you yep busted so when this is all over and you don't feel the red-hot searing pain of other people's judgment upon you I want to hear your funny stories of the things you've gotten away with because i somebody says slept with neighbor which i'm sure it's true because i think they're gonna be a lot of stories about people who maybe let's just say did not obey their government if they didn't feel that their governments rules were let's say perfectly crafted people who may have

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perfectly crafted people who may have massively cheated on this social isolation thing just because they thought their government didn't have the moral authority the technical expertise or the management risk management ability to decide for them and so they decided for themselves and just figured out how to beat the system I'm not recommending it I'm just saying it'll be very funny when we we share the stories not that I have one I've been totally good I know you haven't well I'm not gonna read that comment alright asks for enough to now have a great night of sleep and I'm a great night tomorrow is going to be way better than today I promise you just wait and see