Episode 938 Scott Adams: 4-Dimensional Energy Creatures, Prizes that Are Noble, Dash of Fake News

Date: 2020-04-27 | Duration: 50:28

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pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom boom hey everybody where is everybody
it's about time yeah it's time for the evening periscope and I don't know for sure but I have a feeling this will be among the best of all time now you've heard me say that before I think this will be the best periscope of all time but it's been true every time so far but why wouldn't it be true this time right right so some interesting things have happened let us talk about them one of the most fun little stories is do you remember the beam that was going around there was a Joe Biden meme and it looked a little too funny to be true because the saying that it was his brain no his heart and and his heart was shining

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heart and and his heart was shining forth and it was you know Joe Biden for president and people forwarded that around and tweeted it and said some version of I can't believe how bad he is at this because it's like he's calling himself stupid in his own that and I said I don't think that's a real ad so it turns out it was not a real that and the the clever person who made it has made other similarly clever moves and his name is let's see Brad Tramel so on Instagram he goes by BR ADT ro e mal Allah you can play that back later if you didn't get it and he was really funny on camera when he described it what he did and his method is one to be noted so note the method I will describe

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noted so note the method I will describe it but if you wanted to see it and in his words he picked something that could only be believed because things are already ridiculous so the idea that there that is even possible that the Biden campaign might have produced an ad that de-emphasized his brain intentionally so no his brain and no and emphasize his heart and you say to yourself well that can't be that can't be an insult ad because if it were an insult they say he didn't have a brain that he didn't have a heart there wouldn't be anything positive in it so so your brain says okay if it couldn't be done by the other side because clearly they wouldn't put any positive in it well it must have been done by either somebody on his side or Biden now of course that's how the trick works because because by making it a little bit ambiguous about whether

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a little bit ambiguous about whether they even intend it to be positive or it's a joke your brain has to stay there or to work at it for a while you're like I can't let this go I'm gonna have to think about this for a minute and then I guess in your head and then all you're thinking is is is Biden really so dumb that he would do an ad saying he's dumb and if somebody else did it did he approve it and of course none of those are true it was just a very clever creator I don't want to say troll because he's so good at it that feels like diminishing a very good artistic work and apparently he's done other similar things so I've told you before that the essence of a good prank is that the the the subject of the prank the person you're pranking is the only one who can't tell it's obviously not true so what was funny about the buy dad is that when I sawed I was not the subject of the prank I don't think I think he

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of the prank I don't think I think he was pranking Democrats so when I saw it I'm not I'm not the subject of it I thought it doesn't look true to me but because the Democrats and this was the creator's theory and and I buy into this completely because the Democrats were sort of spring-loaded to think you know I don't think we're electing Biden because of his brain exactly because that wouldn't really make sense but he's nicer than Trump so it makes sense that we'd hired I guess we're voting for his heart not his brain so only the Democrats could have believed it which is what being a genius anyway I keep watching CNN create news and of their own ignorant which is the weirdest thing you would not think that you could weaponize and not weaponize well they do weaponize it but you would not think you could build a business model and if not understanding things but they managed to do it and I know you think that's an

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do it and I know you think that's an exaggeration right what I say they're building a business model around their own ignorance you think that that's probably an exaggeration right that's what you're thinking let me give you the I'll give you the example and you tell me if I'm exaggerating so they of course have had lots of content mocking President Trump for having yeah early on not so much anymore promoted the the idea of at least trying the hydroxychloroquine presumably in combination with azithromycin and zinc even though as he stated often it had not gone through the right approvals to know for sure if it was effective and also safe in all the ways we'd like it to be so the president never never hid the fact that it was a risk management decision and by a risk management decision I mean it was not a purely

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decision I mean it was not a purely medical decision let me give you a thought experiment let's say the president had promoted these on these drugs that were well tested for other for other purposes and had been used for decades and didn't seem to be causing any special problems with the other people have been using them for decades so suppose that was all the president knew and he also knew this that all the doctors were taking it because it's true so if the people who are doctors are taking it for themselves and are also giving it to you know their family etc it's obvious that medical professionals who are familiar with the drug almost solid and I've prescribed it for other purposes like arthritis if the medical professionals are thinking yeah this is a risk I am personally willing to take and in many cases are family and friends so the president of course was

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friends so the president of course was looking at it as a risk management decision exactly like the doctors no different he was looking at it in exactly the way the medical professionals who had to make that decision for themselves and their families he was he was following their lead he wasn't leading on an unproven drug he was following the lead of pretty much every medical professional who had to make the decision because when it was their own body they were given themselves the drug and that's the truth yeah you can check out that but every source seems to be consistent about that but here's the thought experiment let's say the president had promoted this drug and the doctors had to and they had taken it and then suddenly a thousand people died of some kind of complication that nobody saw coming and let's say it was a complication that is unique to coronavirus patients so so we couldn't have seen it before it didn't show up when it was being tested for malaria

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when it was being tested for malaria didn't show up when the same drug was used for arthritis it just only showed up in this one case and let's just say kill the thousand people thousand people a thousand people in one week let's say it killed a thousand people in one week because the president pushed a drug that wasn't tested and it turned out to be bad here's the thought experiment wasn't a mistake was it was it a mistake to try something that had a certain quality which is that if it worked it could have solved everything it could it could have prevented the closing of the economy if it worked now at my best guess right now is that it doesn't work well enough to make that kind of a difference but at the time he was talking about it even medical professionals were saying you know we don't have hard data we

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you know we don't have hard data we don't have the kind of tests we need you know it would be better to have that certainly would be safer everybody prefers that you have a solid test we don't have that but but I'd try it so I would argue that people who understand risk management know that in their thought experiment if if a thousand people had died because the president recommended it it would still be unambiguously the right thing to do do you see that even if it even if it turned out completely wrong if if a thousand people drop dead who didn't need to die and it didn't help anybody just nobody was helped was it a mistake it was not that would have been the best smartest most adult responsible leadership decisions he decided to you know maybe think about swinging for the fence and what were the odds that you

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fence and what were the odds that you would have a thousand people die given that the doctors were taking it themselves and had such a long history now you say to yourself Scott Scott Scott do you read the news because the news already says that they had they had to stop one of the trials I think it was chloroquine or maybe just hydroxychloroquine I forget the details but what one of the trials was actually stopped because people were strokin and so there you have it you don't have to wonder Scott we have the evidence they had to stop the trial because people you know way more than you'd expect we're having strokes do you believe that do you believe that that's true there's a report you read it I read it came from someplace it sounded like they knew what they're talking about let me ask you this has any initial report about anything been through anything every single thing we hear is either a lie or later we find

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we hear is either a lie or later we find out there's some context missing what a good example here's one is Sweden in lockdown mode or not lockdown mode well listen to the news The News says they're not in lockdown mode and they're doing not as bad as you might expect so maybe they're a model right because if Sweden is doing it why can't we everywhere and here's the thing people don't tell you about Sweden and I don't I don't have confirmation that this is true but it came from somebody who noticed whedon that the the Swedes are not lockdown mode but they're also not going out so nobody's making money in Sweden what do you hear that the Swedish economy is open well sure but what's the need to have a restaurant with no customers because people aren't going in

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customers because people aren't going in so if you're looking at the Sweden to experiment be careful about what it is you think it's telling you because they're just too many things different there there are things about the way that they can socially isolate I've heard things about the statistics of the number of them who live alone anyway you know they maybe they don't have as many elevators yeah you can think of a million reasons why it's different so is it true that the hydroxychloroquine cause strokes and some people might be but I think it would be crazy to think it's true because it was reported that it was true just the fact that it was reported gives you no confidence that that is true so I think we should all learn that so Politico did an article which is of course the the gell-mann effect if you are the subject of an article you know what's wrong with article so good I like giving you these

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article so good I like giving you these examples right so Politico writes the article about what the president said about injecting disinfectants and they did a reasonably I would say a reasonably fair job of describing that there is in fact a technology for injecting light into a body they quoted Joel Pollak who described that inject was used generically and then it actually made sense there is a UV technology it's being tested right now people do about it etc all right so I'll give Politico credit for for having that context which I think a lot of entities would not have had so I'll give them credit for that and here's the little part that mentions me it says in addition to the Breitbart article other Trump supporting personalities like Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams right so now I've been framed with one sentence I've been framed as a trump supporting

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I've been framed as a trump supporting personality now I would say that in general that would be a fair characterization wouldn't you well I would call myself a trump supporting personality that's fair is very context left out yes the very topic of this article is about the press conferences and have the president's communication during the press conferences I have been the most vocal critic of the president maybe you've ever seen I have consistently giving him an F failing grade for the press conferences not everyone some of them are actually quite good but I've been brutal in criticizing the president of the very topic of this article and how do they how do they characterize the person who has been brutally criticizing the president I'm a Trump sporting personality do you think that captures it it does capture it in

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that captures it it does capture it in general just not for this topic it would be misleading for this topic and then it goes on to say that Dilbert cartoon is Scott Adams started elevating articles about dubious technologies that's right I was elevating articles about dubious technologies is that fair is it technically accurate to say that I was elevating articles about dubious technologies yes of course this completely accurate statement right because you've seen me I have tweeted many you know potential breakthroughs potential technologies things that people are looking at very dubious technologies and I have elevated them through my tweeting but here's another way to say it you could say that I tweeted articles of the mainstream media about new technologies would that also

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about new technologies would that also not explain it perfectly tell me if this is not perfectly what I did i I sometimes retweet articles that are in the media about promising technologies do you know who else gives attention to promising technologies and and medical possibilities everybody actually everybody everybody in the media there's probably nobody who hasn't tweeted some things that people are looking at maybe this pill works you know maybe this oxygen monitor works maybe this light therapy works literally everybody's doing that and all of the in all the articles that I think I've tweeted came from the press I didn't write them I said I just tweeted what was there that other people were tweeting right so so far there are only two sentences in and they've left out so much context that you're all they already don't know who I am where I stand up this issue and what I'm all about because it looks like if a quack

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about because it looks like if a quack was just tweeting unproven technologies all right and but in reality the entire press is doing that all the time that it says so it goes out to say that the normal way that the president operates this is that breeding his mind you know there's a little bit of truth to it but not as much as they're putting on it they say four they say the president Trump typically gets his ideas from Fox News that he you know adopts their ideas and then uses them and they said that this this type it worked in Reverse so this is politico's in theory for once president Donald Trump's latest tossed out suggestion for a way to come back coronavirus injecting ultraviolet rays did not originate from a Fox News guest a viral Twitter thread or an article on a conservative website really

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article on a conservative website really how did how does Politico know that Trump's idea about injecting ultraviolet rays which is in fact all over Twitter it has been for at least a week or two because I have personally retweeted it I've talked about it on Twitter I've retweeted it other people are free tweeted it it's all over Twitter alright so how is it that Politico knows that the president didn't see the thing that was all over Twitter on the conservative side right it probably wasn't all over Twitter and the other silo so on the Left silo they probably never saw it but all kinds of people that idea was thought you know my followers they seem to have all season so Politico is thinks that the president just spontaneously came up with this idea ahead of nothing and it and say that it did not originate from Fox News and therefore it couldn't

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from Fox News and therefore it couldn't have come from any place else is that the one place he gets things according to Politico I don't think so and he says and they go on to say instead the process worked it reversed and this is crazy talk first Trump offered a bundled but hopeful theory so in other words they're actually like you just spontaneously came up with this on his own there one could how insert light or our medicine into the lungs also known as common knowledge at least for people of the right because it's a real thing Cedar sinai is testing it right now injecting light into the lungs it's the thing and there's reason to believe it could work but of course like everything it needs to be tested likewise when it says you know light work medicine there are also I'm not going to mention the chemical because I don't want to be the guy who gets people trying this at home but there is a

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trying this at home but there is a disinfectant I won't name the type don't try this at home because it will kill you but in one situation where it is you know turned into an aerosol and pumped into the lungs to disinfect to kill the virus now I forget what that's for is for something else but these are all real things and Politico is writing this article like Trump just invented these and if you know the squirrels of his head when these are fairly ordinary things all right and then they say that talking about Trump's crazy ideas that he had here and it says a conservative and Trump friendly media outlets started trying to explain and boost it well yeah we're trying to explain why the news was fake so the way they're writing it is that there was something weird going on

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that there was something weird going on that we were just trying to explain it is that what happened because what I saw is that the news just made up something that did exist and people said we're calling you on your is calling the news of their of their fake news is that the same thing as as trying to explain it because trying to explain it automatically makes that you look like you're the guilty one that's not what happened here the explainers are nothing guilty once it's the people who've made up to fake news and says of the Conservatives supporters who says they flagged obscure research papers that said the president was simply attempting to raise the country's spirits they tried to discredit media coverage of the comments well I think we did this granted that because there were discredit to Bowl anyway that's enough of that so for the record

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that's enough of that so for the record there are at least four ways to inject yes I said it inject a disinfectant yes I said it I said disinfected I said eject disinfectant there are four ways to do it that are known the press has still found zero of that but I think the Trump just made it all up right what are the ways is that it could be part of a trachea I'm sorry if you're part be part of a ventilator that goes into your trachea you know already there videos to show that idea it can go into your lungs they're talking about taking your further all the way into the lungs that's the second way it could be the disinfectant in this case light it's a light disinfectant and then it can also be hooked directly inserted into your veins and it basically the light hits the blood of the way through the vein and disinfect the other way by literally

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and disinfect the other way by literally an insertion so that's three ways it's inserted and then the fourth is what I was describing earlier then for other other conditions not for a corona virus there are situations where they've air assault a disinfectant now of course these are not household disinfectants I'll talking about you know Lysol and bleach I'm talking about something that medical people would use that they would call a disinfectant because it disinfects it's just literally what it does so there are four ways to do it exactly as the president said in those words injecting a disinfectant and the the illegitimate press has decided to act like that's not even that there are no things like that instead of for things like that alright here's the dog that isn't barking you see that much noise I've made about this debunking this and there's no there's no

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this and there's no there's no left-leaning Press who has asked me for a comment what are the odds that I would make this much trouble and I would be asked by nobody for a comment as high as my profile is because they asked me for comments on everything I'm just just that anything I mean I'm continuously asked for comments on any variety of things political or otherwise but not on this topic because I think there's some understanding just guessing that the people oddly left who were pushing the the fake well the the disinfectant hoax let's call it I think they know that it can't stand up to a capable capable communicator and if they had beyond I would just demolish it then what would they do I mean it's their main submit debate story now there's one other time that that happened I spent what three years debunking the find people hoax don't you think somebody would have invited me out to

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somebody would have invited me out to talk about it done now have you ever seen another situation where there was a trump supporter who was prominent and they were talking crazy talk and it didn't become a national story have you ever seen it even once a trump supporter somebody who's prominent and you know babe you've heard of that sort of thing if they do any crazy talking in public does does the media ignore that no they do not they do stories about it but they also contact that person for comment it's the most common thing so if I'm out here talking crazy saying that this widely reported finding people hope the story was a hoax would that seem crazy to them if they think it's real if they think it's real I should look crazy for saying it didn't happen given that it was widely reported it's very crazy to say it didn't happen it's true

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crazy to say it didn't happen it's true it didn't happen and likewise with this you know injecting the disinfectant thing nobody's going to have me odd to talk about that because that would be the end of it it would ruin the new cycle and of course being on you know being on a conservative site wouldn't help because they're all on the same page anyway alright so here's a question for you what is it going to do to our level of awareness of the world what's it going to do to the way we understand our our world when we look back at all the on this situation I realized that everyone who said we should use data to make decisions got everything wrong what's that going to do to us think about it you know there's probably some exceptions but but generally speaking wouldn't you say that all the people were saying we must use data data makes decisions let's use good

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data data makes decisions let's use good judgment and data don't use your emotions use data what happened to all those people didn't they get everything wrong it wasn't the problem that you can't trust any of the data and the data was out of context it was wrong it was incomplete I don't think we made any good decisions with data even when Anthony foul she is asked did you use the models to decide to close the travel4 move on even he says no you know the reason we got serious is we just looked at what was happening they literally just looked at it inside that's a lot of hospital beds whoa that's a lot of people dying we're hearing bad reports let's let's take this seriously so even if ouchy didn't use the model he just looked at the real world and said that looks scary let's treat it quite seriously anyway here are let me dovetail that into this

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let me dovetail that into this eventually the world is going to collectively come to a slightly higher understanding yeah I would submit to you that there are two almost independent species living among us that all look like humans but they're very different in other words physically they're humans but there's something so fundamentally different about the way they're wired that you it's a you know it's a question whether the human at all and here's the distinction the people who still think that data and reason and logic are the dominant way that you should organize I know everything and make decisions that's most of the world right even if people are not good at it they would all say yeah we should use science we should use the reason we should use facts and everybody agrees with that but it's also true that we rarely have the right facts

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true that we rarely have the right facts and if we do we're not really good at comparing things you know I wrote a whole book about it and you can see it a million times this coronavirus situation smart people are not good at making decisions because they don't have a well-rounded view in the world in many cases you know artists I've never been learned I've never learned to make decisions etc so I think as we as we grow in our awareness collectively that facts and reason are not driving our decisions it's some kind of weird balance of power and emotions and all that then you will start to notice that there were two species that the two species are these there are the people who believes facts and reasons are the dominant way to organize your let's say your filter out of life and then there's the second group I call them energy creatures because they operate on pure energy and if you're looking at an

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energy and if you're looking at an energy creature from the outside and you're not one they just look scary because they don't operate to your rules they don't recognize boundary imagine if you will a scientist goes into a restaurant and you say and you say scientists the scientist section is right over there make sure you only sit at one of these tables this is a reserved scientist section what would happen well the scientists would say thank you that's very clear would walk over into the scientists section and the people who wanted to sit in the non scientists section would be perfectly happy now let's say instead of a scientist you lit a fire it's just energy if you light a fire in half of the restaurant what happens to the other half the other half birds up to because energy doesn't have boundaries and when you see an energy creature what are the ways to know as they don't seem to have

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ways to know as they don't seem to have boundaries and they don't seem to respect facts and reason the way you think they should they seem to be irrational Trump is an energy creature he operates as almost pure energy and it seems we can't get in his head of course but it seems that he treats the world or he filters it by power and energy now he says so directly he talks about low energy job he talks about his high energy campaign everything he does is to to generate optimism and energy and power and he says these things directly this is not me speculating he is consistently over the years promoted energy as a way to see things so what do you see at energy creature who can't seem to stay into your narrow boundaries it's because they can't the it's not it's not their nature you know it's like

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it's not their nature you know it's like asking a cap to play the violin a cat can't play the violin you can ask but it's not going to give it to you so an energy creature is not going to paint within the lines that's just how it's going to work but the rest of you might and the rest of you will be scared to death because there's loving energy thing and you don't know if it has your best interests in mind because you don't even know why it does anything it doesn't make sense to you however it's not true the other way around the energy creature is not confused by you that's the party you don't see that's that's the hidden part you think the energy creature is a big old dumb ball of randomness they can't be controlled but by God you ought to control it somehow because it's dangerous that's what it looks to you all from the outside if you're not an energy creature but if you are an energy creature and I would say I am one meaning that my filter out life as I've

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meaning that my filter out life as I've told you many times is energy and I've said that it's the only metric you should track because if you get your personal energy right it means you've done pretty much everything else right you can't get your energy right unless you're asleep and right even right your social life is good you you know found out it would deal with your stress etc so being an energy creature I see the world as energy and I likewise I'm often criticized because I don't have boundaries you know the reason that I called myself left a birdie and yet I spend all my time talking to this audience which is anything but left a birdie it's because I don't have boundaries I don't recognize him III just don't live in a boundary world I live in an energy world so the reason that I'm here doing this is that that's where the energy was I simply followed the energy Here I am and it worked out and quite often following the energy is exactly the right thing the reason that

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exactly the right thing the reason that Dilbert became my main career is because when I started it even though it was you know small and it was just a shot in the dark and it was a wild dream it still had energy like it always called me it gave me energy so what I worked on it you know just sitting there silently at 4:00 in the morning trying to make something of myself I felt good it energized me so I have always been all about the energy so when I saw a Trump remember the the first two episodes I saw that I called out publicly at the time about why he was special you could say good or bad but he's clearly special was the Rosie O'Donnell move where he took the energy from the question and just moved the energy he didn't give an answer he didn't give a fact he didn't tell the truth he did he didn't use reason he didn't use logic did it matter didn't matter he got exactly what he

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didn't matter he got exactly what he wanted and became the president of the United States because he he understood that this was an energy problem it wasn't a logic problem there wasn't an excuse type it wasn't an argument type it was an energy problem that he solved by moving the energy now remember everybody said hey Scott why would the president say that he was just being sarcastic about talking about the you know the light therapy injections of the disinfectants why would he say he's being sarcastic when even his supporters don't believe that I mean doesn't even sound a little bit sensible right I mean I'm pretty inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt but I can't find any way that makes sense does think he was being sarcastic or even the part about he was addressing a reporter I mean it didn't even seem like it was the right topic now if you're not an energy creature what does that look like pretty

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what does that look like pretty confusing right because you're saying where's my logic where's my fact where's my adherence to the topic where's that anything that makes sense of that but here's what happened the president realized that the more the more he talked about this topic the more targets he was creating so in other words almost no matter why he had said if he had actually addressed the question about why he was spitballing about these technologies and he's not a doctor if he had even tried to address it where would all the energy go right all of the energy of the world would have just to his responses and it would created this this cluster above of new things that's all when he tried to defend himself now watch him he's he's walking it back look at him why he should apologize he's very guilty and it would have been gigantic like atomic bomb of energy in

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gigantic like atomic bomb of energy in the wrong place it would be in the wrong place if you're the president and you're an energy monster you all of the conversation to be about what you're doing right and you want another the conversation to be about what you did wrong even if it gives you an opportunity to defend yourself because we live in a world in which defending yourself doesn't work it doesn't if he had said I would like to show you a video a transcript proof a sworn statement from the Pope here's all my proof that the news you're you're you're giving is misleading and nothing like what you're reporting actually happened here's my proof what happens that does the news look at all of his proof and say oh yeah I guess we got that wrong no they just make up some new rumors they just use whatever he had to them as as a substance for the next set so while I don't think they he elegantly answered

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don't think they he elegantly answered the question I think we could agree on that it is true that he moved the energy because he took the energy out of the room you can't do a follow-up question it's like no I was being sarcastic what's the follow-up question I I don't have a follow-up question all the energy was going so here's some other people who operate as what I would call energy creatures and I would like to tie this back to something I said the past about you remember that I was famously saying that Trump was playing four dimensional chess and three dimensional chess and all that and I guess for divisional chess and then that became a popular thing that the left would mock us anybody who said that Trump was being clever they say oh you're where's his 50 dimensional chess and stuff so I kept trying to think if there was an easy way to to explain what I meant by four dimensional

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explain what I meant by four dimensional chess and here's the easiest way to explain it the four dimensional chess players are our energy creatures they they live in a world in which they're filter is energy and that's what they care about and they know that it works the they're like that because it works not because it's random so here's some other people that I would consider energy creatures Steve Jobs Steve Jobs was many things but man was he an energy creature right Roger Ailes the architect of Fox News Fox News works for a lot of reasons but if you were to summarize the reasons it's because Roger Ailes was an energy creature and he figured out how to package a set of triggers that would trigger energy in the audience and it was brilliant it's not an accident that the the that

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it's not an accident that the the that they're unusually good-looking people on Fox News of the you know the colors are bright and the production values are incredible it's the best producer I think produced news network so Ailes energy Buster I would argue that Joe Rogan is an energy creature and here's why if you look at Joe Rogan's entire set of interests that is it's very much about fitness and about mind and about you know stretching your mind and being mentally flexible and you know hunting and fighting and exercising and you know standing in front of a crowd the scariest thing you can do maybe he is all energy so is it an accident that people get bad at Joe Rogan because they say hey you're not supposed to say you like this or that but joe rogan like fire he doesn't have a boundary his energy goes wherever it

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a boundary his energy goes wherever it goes and if he's gonna you know work for you know call color a commentary in a fight or do stand-up comedy he just goes where the energy is does it work yeah he's one of the most popular people of the country it totally works I think people are drawn to energy just in general the other one is obvious Mike savage Mike Serna say anything you want about his opinion is his personality blah blah blah blah but nobody understands the that we live in an energy world and nobody understands how to move that energy sort of directly and intentionally better than Mike Serna Mitch you know it's not it's not an accident he has what is he approaching six hundred thousand followers or something Twitter and I would say rush limbaugh rush limbaugh understands

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limbaugh rush limbaugh understands energy as well I could give you examples but they're easy so there are lots of other people though so I would argue that Tucker I'm seeing people suggesting Tucker and Mark Levin I would say that they are more intellectual I would say that a lot of people who are you know at the top of their game you know Levin and Tucker they're at the top of the game and I get I would watch them primarily because I would learn something I didn't know when I watched Tucker's show or a watch of the Ben show I almost always hear a different look and so that's not so much about energy I think they're they're much more cerebral in a good way you know the world requires the world requires all types I'm not saying that one is better than the other I'm just saying that if you understand the world as people who blew of energy and then people who don't understand that a lot of the world makes

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understand that a lot of the world makes sense when it didn't used to that and the female towers yes of a OSI AOC is an energy mover and other energy boomers recognized her immediately all right so again you know sort of itch sought immediately I saw it immediately and there she was moving energy and the people who did understand that were arguing about her her fact-checking I'd saved on Elizabeth Warren she's cerebral cerebral and again what I'm distinguishing between the energy creatures and the cerebral ones about saying what is better than the other it just depends what you're trying to accomplish sometimes for leadership the energy creature is the best one Candice is a sort of a hybrid because I think people go through a process and I think you don't become an energy creature overnight so I would say she is um I

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overnight so I would say she is um I would say she's on the way to being an energy creature if she wants to be I mean it all depends on where you want to go maybe it's it's up to her where she goes but she has she's an interesting blend because she uses lots of facts and reason so her arguments hold together an irrational level quite well but on top of that she also knows how to inflame passions but she's also young imagine imagine Candice in 30 years right because the the skilled issues starting with I say this about AMC you could say it about Matt Gaetz you could say it about a lot of the younger people who have talent now however good they are at age 30 something they're gonna be really really good at age 60 something it's not an accident that you end up with you know Nancy Pelosi because they do get better and learn more over time so Oprah Oprah

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and learn more over time so Oprah Oprah yes I would say that Oprah is an energy creature I would buy that one Jordan Peterson is interesting I would call him ebrill it's lecture but he has such an impact on people that he actually controls energy through the quality of his communicating and his ideas so it's almost like he's a he's almost like a distributor of energy in a way when you see Jordan Peterson you don't feel that he's exhibiting a lot of personal energy but his ideas are so powerful that that they're like you know little delayed missiles that go off what you're thinking about a year you know an hour later all right bite it is neither yeah all right Ann Coulter Ann Coulter is definitely a well

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Coulter Ann Coulter is definitely a well she's an interesting hybrid too so I'd put her in that let's say a more experienced version of a Candace I hate to compare people because if people don't want to be compared than then they think it's an insult what it's not so let me let me reverse the comparison just so nobody has to be compared to anybody but I would say the Ann Coulter is one of the smartest writers and one of the freshest thinkers in the public eye I mean I it's hard to get more skilled and what if she does I don't know anybody who writes better she's probably the best writer in the game just pure writing style but let's say she's right you know about everything unless I agree with her she's her priorities or her priorities but she defends him really well and she also moves passions I would say she is she's intellectual but she understands she understands energy but she's certainly biased toward the argument sighs the

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biased toward the argument sighs the lawyer side if you will all right dad Crenshaw he has of course the the power of the military aura so so that's sort of always with him so yeah he has he sort of exudes a charisma it's true which comedians well any comedian who doesn't respect boundaries so bill burr for example bill burr his comedy suggests that he understands yeah certainly that the understands energy alright I've George Bush jr. alright general Flynn to be exonerated this week yeah we're hearing good rumors about general Flynn right this would be the

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general Flynn right this would be the perfect time to do it I can't think of a better time to pardon people so I don't know the right language partner exonerate or any of those things but I got a feeling that Roger stones a good shape in general Flynn's is a good shape Ben Shapiro is intellectual Jaco I I haven't watched a lot of Jacko's content but what I know of him I would say he's into energy energy creature elegant Ellen DeGeneres yeah there's a good example so Ellen DeGeneres is an energy creature yeah I would say so maybe she's literally gets up at dances with her audience and she exudes just a tremendous amount of personal energy that's very appealing alright that's that's enough for today I will see you in the morning and I got some fudge stuff for the boarding so don't miss it see you then