Episode 937 Scott Adams: Uncanny Valley of Gullible Zombies, Funny Biden Tweets, Disappearing Videos

Date: 2020-04-26 | Duration: 1:04:45

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Content: Coronavirus plan: We lose 300,000 to 500,000 Americans Joe Biden Me Too accusation YouTube censored and removed AYTU’s Healight UV light video CNN’s fake news uses “ingest” to promote Clorox HOAX The Uncanny Valley

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bow-bow bow-bow bow-bow hey everybody come on in yeah it's time it's time for one of the best parts of the day well one of the two best parts of the day because sometimes I'm gonna be on here at night too and I know what you're all waiting for yeah yeah you're waiting for the simultaneous upend it doesn't take much to get ready for that all you need is a coupler bug under glass attack your chalice your styie that can't do jugular flask a festival of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee enjoyed you do for the unparalleled pleasure the dopamine to the day the thing that makes everything better including the pandemic it's called the simultaneous sip if it happens now hmm all right anybody who's good at math how many people have died in the United States from coronaviruses so far 54,000 how many

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coronaviruses so far 54,000 how many people are dying per day actually don't know the answer that is it mm ish per day is that the number if we open up the economy even slightly will that number go up or will it go down well I think it's planned to stay the same right I believe the the whole idea I think the whole idea of the gradual reopening of the economy is that we're not going to try to drive the number down to zero we're just going to try to make it now rise so fast it crashes our systems right so let's do the math 2,000 people a day it will add that to the existing 54,000 I and can somebody can somebody check my math on the per day is it about 2,000 a day so Allah checking so right now we're talking gross I'll get back to that later

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gross I'll get back to that later so somebody give me that number in the comments but let me just walk through the math yeah per day I think it's a couple thousand right yeah about two thousand so if we assume that the target is to keep that the same the target is not to make that to go to zero because we don't have any practical way to do that and also open the economy so two thousand day so over a typical month less a thirty days how many people is that sixty thousand right it says 30 days times two thousand people so we're on a rate that our planned rate of death it's a planned rate the the actual plan is to lose 2,000 people a day so let's say that would be May would be 60,000 June would be another 60,000 July would be another 60,000 and then August would be another

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60,000 and then August would be another 60,000 right somebody says 2,700 per day as of yesterday well you know let's let's just use 2065 yesterday let's just round off and use 2,000 so if you have four months of 60,000 deaths you've got a 240 thousand deaths in the future that's 240,000 on top of the 54,000 we already have and of course it's not going to end in August nobody thinks that so it's gonna keep going so the minimum number seems three hundred thousand right am i way off base so so here's the statement the statement is that the planned the actual official plan that nobody's hiding is to lose over three hundred thousand people am i

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over three hundred thousand people am i right
we usually have 50 to 60,000 diaper week that is incorrect that's the world I think that might be the world somebody says yes you are off base but which which assumption did I get wrong
now I'm not we're not talking about net deaths I'm talking about coronavirus specifically so I'll try to clarify what I'm talking net and what I'm talking gross so right now I'm talking only gross total number of coronavirus deaths all right so I'm seeing some people saying now and some people say yes so I know it looks to be like the plan is to lose somewhere between 300,000 and maybe half a million people in the United States right that's that's with still a lot of work yeah that's the sort of our

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lot of work yeah that's the sort of our best case I don't know and why am I the only one saying this maybe there's something wrong right so somebody is shouting at me in all capitals there was this grandmother grandmother you're shouting at me at all capitals no you are wrong but because you say grandmother in your in your handle I'm not gonna block you because you might be due here but that the the cardinal sin on my periscopes is to simply say the sentence you're wrong or just wrong and and I generally block people for that because it doesn't help it's just taking up space and then I can't I can't read real comments so give me a reason if there's one of my assumptions that I got wrong just tell me what it is I'm open to the argument open to the argument just check my math that's all I'm asking you to check my math I'm not arguing I'm not telling you right I'm asking you to check my math so he says that is wrong

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check my math so he says that is wrong Scott well I'll simply you didn't hear that warning before I I issued it how much for all causes of mortality well that's a different question which might be might be love what is the alternative I don't see any I don't see any alternative all right so it's interesting now why are some people saying every day the total is 8000 because you know that's not true right you must be talking about the the planet number nothing at the country number somebody says it's a curve not a straight line that is incorrect it is a curve if you let it be a curve but the explicit plan is to take the curve and flatten it what do you call a flat curve flat curve is a straight line so the plan is to take the curve that is bent flatten it into a straight line that

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flatten it into a straight line that will probably be around 2,000 deaths per day and just ride that straight line because apparently that's not enough to overwhelm our hospitals so as long as the hospitals are not overwhelmed apparently we're willing to do that somebody says you're Kim Kim unrung which was that is funny enough not to get you blocked you will not get blocked if you disagree with me in humorous ways
all right your estimate is correct what is the problem well the I did not express it as a problem I'm expressing it as why is it not being reported that way what why is the news not saying okay we're on line it looks like our collective consensus opinion is we're going to try to flatten the curve that will be in the the per day stays constant it's going to be about what it is now because they'll you know well why not just tell us that that

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know well why not just tell us that that the plan is to lose 300 to 500 thousand people now obviously at the same time we'd be working as hard as we can to come up with therapeutics and vaccines and stuff like that but I don't think there's anybody who can tell us which of those is going to work and how well and so the plan might involve trying as hard as we can to change the plan as we go that would make sense but the at least the current projected path of this is 300 to 500 thousand people lost all right let's talk about this horrible and yet hilarious Joe Biden story about the me to accusations now in the the simulation is just just delighting us with the story because not only does it turn out that there's some corroborating evidence that suggests that even back in the 90s that

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suggests that even back in the 90s that this woman had been talking about some bad activity with Biden as her boss at the time and the way that we know that is because somebody found out that her mother had made a had called in to the Larry King show and talked to generically about it and somebody found the tape so I actually found the tape from the nineties where the accusers mother called in and said hey you know if there's I don't know if she's specified her daughter but she was saying that if she respected her boss who was aborted that she was a staffer or what could she do now here's the fun part about it that that video was on CNN so CNN the people who most want to protect Biden at least on some days at least because he's a Democrat they had the evidence for this and they didn't find it it was found by a conservative

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find it it was found by a conservative group so I guess here's a here's a funny statistic that tells you everything you need to know I think this was on the Fox News site according to wonder that I've alysus see it every way need 24 days to cover the allegations against Biden they didn't mention a thing for 24 days now is that normal is it normal for CNN to hold back if somebody's been accused of a me-too allegation well I guess depends who it is because by the same analysis CNN published nearly 700 articles about allegations against Brett Kavanaugh in the nineteen days from when they came became public so in nineteen days they printed a seven hundred articles about those fake allegations against Cavanaugh and yet in twenty four days after the Biden allegations they printed none and they should be worth

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printed none and they should be worth noting that the Cavanaugh allegations had no credibility whatsoever and they still got seven hundred articles out of it and the Biden allegations are completely credible completely the person's credible you know that they were in the same room lots of times now we have a contemporaneous report that she was she was talking about it at the time it's not something she just made up to change politics and obviously she's a Democrat she's not even a Republican yeah she's obviously a Democrat so you know if you're asking yourself Scott yeah are you are you making too much of this allegation of bias of the media no no I'm not making too much of it it's pretty plain apparently actress Susan Sarandon who I respect on many levels you know everybody always makes fun of the the famous people for getting

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the the famous people for getting involved in politics and I do as well you know there are plenty of famous people who are just ridiculous people they they just don't see the world clearly I'm glad that they have passionate about causes but they often will look ridiculous because they're not doing their homework they're not very bright they're not just they're just not well-rounded people but that's not true of all of them and I like to point this out because every time somebody says you can't be a celebrity and say you know it add to the political conversation I always say doesn't it depend I mean doesn't really depend it's not like they're all the same so whether or not you like Susan's Renton's politics I was she is solidly in the category of people you should at least pay attention to I think she's aren't it even if you disagree with everything she says she is a serious person who appears to be smart who appears to be you know to care about

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who appears to be you know to care about the country care about all the right stuff so when she has an opinion I think I think she deserved I think she's earned it I say the same thing about Alyssa Milano which is you could disagree with everything she says but I think she's earned through work she's earned some attention you can still disagree with her anyway Susan's friend and no Hittite Joe Biden in the sense that she's believed in the accuser now speaking of censorship socia then obviously embargo that story so that's just you know blatant censorship to influence politics but there's another story I'm not sure I believe this would yet so this next story is in the category of things which because I think there's a story that the Joe Biden video disappeared in the archive so I think there are two stories of videos mysteriously disappearing that

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of videos mysteriously disappearing that may have this wrong but I think the sea of them video or the at least the audio yeah is video Antonio of the Larry King episode I think it disappeared in the google play archives just sort of disappeared all the rest of over there but that was missing and that is an unrelated story or is it unrelated YouTube has removed censored and removes the promotional video of the company that makes that you UV that far UV light that is inserted down the trachea which is obviously the thing that the president was talking about the UV light you know of the lugs and so in order to make a harder for the fake news to be debunked they removed the video of the company that's doing the exact thing that the president was speculating about because if you remove that that the people who believe the fake news about the president

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the fake news about the president suggesting people drink disinfectants as if they happened they don't have any alternative story so you could say don't know he was talking about this technology you know you can see it on the internet it's far UV light go take a look at it and then you go look for it it's just not there can you believe that can you believe that they just remove the video now of course they had their story is that it violated some standards but do you think there are any other medical claims on YouTube that they didn't that they didn't remove of course it's probably full of medical claims because the heal I did not make a claim then it works and didn't do that at all it simply showed what they are they're proposing it described why they think it could work but it makes no claim that they've tested it it works they just know it works against you know viruses in the lab so why would you take down a video that doesn't make a

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down a video that doesn't make a definitive claim it just says hey here's some technology that we're looking into really and it's not even the stuff that looking into isn't even controversial because it's not like we were wondering if UV light kills viruses that part we already know it's already in use it's a it's a commercial product already so we're watching this amazing the situation where the you know one day that there was a time when I think people would say yeah yeah yeah I get it the news is biased and I think we all on some level everybody do that the news was a little biased at least in recent years but this is not that but whatever this is where videos are being removed that's that bias that's that you can't there's no reason to the way you could you can explain that away by had people having different opinions this is not a question of opinion this is people

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question of opinion this is people manipulated the political process in ways that should be jailable now there's no there's no law against removing a video from your own library but it should be jailable like you can imagine that there would be a law against it there isn't but it's easy to imagine that would be a jailable offense if you did it just to confuse people so here's a here's what is happening over at CNN I think yeah there was something that was supposed to print that didn't hold I was thinking yeah I didn't print my third page of notes hol up so Joe Biden had a a funny tweet and I'm gonna

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Biden had a a funny tweet and I'm gonna give Joe Biden credit because you know I like to talk about it no matter what side people are on I like to call it out when they use good technique technique in terms of persuasion or communicating so joe biden had the following tweet which i give him a grade of a four and he said i can't believe i have to say this but please don't drink bleach now of course he's playing on the fake news as if the president actually had ever suggested such a thing but in the context of a tweet and in the context of the political silliness I'll give that a pass so I don't think tweets have to be technically accurate and in fact tweets can be ridiculously inaccurate as long as they're all so funny because then you say ok again it's a joke it doesn't have to be technically accurate so I would say solid tweet Joe Biden I would also

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say solid tweet Joe Biden I would also say there isn't the chance you wrote this tweet yourself because here's the towel so the first part of the tweet is I can't believe I have to say this now where where and how often have you heard phrase I can't believe I have to say this well that is that has become sort of a common tweet joke form so in other words if you spent a lot of time on Twitter you would know that that's a familiar way to start a joke tweet I can't believe I have to say this but whether you do the funny part now what are the odds that Joe Biden himself had used Twitter enough to know that this is a thing to start your joke with I can't believe I have to say this the answer is there's no chance of that there that there isn't the slightest chance that that on his own he knew that this was an internet thing to say and he was just using the the casual current way that people talk in the inner no this was written by somebody over somebody much

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written by somebody over somebody much younger wrote this tweet for him which is not a problem by the way because the president I'm sure has some tweets that are suggested or written to something there's no criticism of that I'm just saying that his staff did a good job of the tweet so I I tweeted back to him and I don't know how to say this with the requisite amount of modesty so can I have a pass can I be issued a pass to brag about myself in public for a specific useful purpose which would be useful to you all right so I'm only going to do it because I know it doesn't make me look good but it's the only way I can communicate to you something useful and I want to do that so I need you in the comments to say you have a pass to brag about yourself on this topic that I won't feel bad okay okay we got it okay so one of you has given me a pass and it goes like this this might be

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pass and it goes like this this might be one of the funniest tweets I've ever written now I don't think you're gonna think it's so funny I just love it I just love my own tweet it's because there's a lot of technique in it so it's the technique that I want to describe to you so that you can adopt it alright so after Joe Biden said I can't believe if I have to say this but please don't bleech I tweeted with my own comment i retweeted and I said the people who dwell above ground thank you for your plain spoken basement wisdom I'll just let let that sit there for a while the people who dwell above ground
thank you for your plain spoken basement wisdom now let me tell you why I think this is so clever and thank you for the pass because I wouldn't wouldn't be able to brag about how good this is in public without you having granted beam that pass so thank you they know how many times if I talked to you about the the benefit of seeing your ego as a tool

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benefit of seeing your ego as a tool it's not who you are you can dial it up and you can dial it down so in this case you can see me using ego as a tool I need to brag to you just to convey some information that would be useful to you so if I were worried about how you would see me I'd say yeah it's obvious you don't want to brag in public everybody knows that it's a bad look I'm a public figure nothing good about this could happen but because I see ego as a tool I can just say to you can you give me a pass I'm just going to do this I'm doing this employ thing just for a purpose that will be good for you so you can see it in practice all right so here's what was good about my tweet reply when I said the people who dwell above ground thank you for your plain spoken basement wisdom the first thing is that for writing humor when you can substitute interesting words for common words you should do it because the first part I

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should do it because the first part I say the people who do well above ground if I had replaced the word dwell with lived the people who live above ground do you see how it just lays there you see how the word dwell just brings it alive so the sentence comes alive when you see the word dwell because you know that there's something sort of interesting coming so that's the first trick dwell instead of lived or resided which would be boring words and then I said above-ground now the first part of the sentence I have reframed this situation in the fewest words you've ever seen a refrain happened so so Biden is tweeting funny things that are indeed funny from his his secret you know bunker basement now even though we make fun of him for being in the basement Joe Biden does not like the normal people you make fun of in the basement that normally you make fun of people in the

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normally you make fun of people in the basement because they're living at home and they have done it succeeded at anything and they're you know they're eating chips and they said then their underwear in the basement but there's nothing about Joe Biden that fits that model right he's a hyper successful older person who's not living with his parents so he can't really love him in with basement dwellers so what I did with my reframe here is I said the people who dwell above-ground where I I immediately painted you a movie and as soon as I said that the people who who dwell above-ground couldn't you immediately see a picture and you saw a house and then you immediately saw under it Joe Biden and you saw the people who are walking around above-ground and then suddenly you saw yeah that is funny there's some people who live above ground and there's no people who live below ground and of course then your your mind goes to the you know what was it that the time machine HG Wells the Eloi and the whatever and and people who

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Eloi and the whatever and and people who evolved underground of it so anyway in a very few words I simply painted a picture of people who live above ground the good people you know I don't say the good people but you automatically say well I think the good people are probably the ones living above ground they got Sun and everything just automatically you think if you have to live underground just you know in your own critical mind you're saying well whoever's living underground is not killing it you know they're not crushing life if they have to live underground there's something going on there so that was just the first few words of the tweet the people who dwell above-ground and what I've done is I've I've sort of humorously painted a picture where the above-ground people are the smart good ones that would even say because your brain automatically goes to well above ground that's got to be better that must be the smart people and that I said we thank you for your plain spoken basement wisdom now here's the technique there

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wisdom now here's the technique there have you ever heard the words plain spoken basement wisdom in that order have you ever seen those three words together the answer is no in your entire life you will never you probably have never seen I'm guessing this these three words of this order plain spoken basement wisdom and so that's another technique so all the all the words are easy to understand so you don't have to stop and say oh what's that mean what's he beans they're just ordinary words but they've never been combined in this way and if you look at the difference between a professional writer somebody who's actually succeeded and somebody who's just good with words but they don't have that x-factor that extra thing that makes somebody a you know a successful professional writer you would note that the people who are just good at writing will rarely write words that you haven't earned before in other words every sentence fragment is something you say to yourself I've heard that you know

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say to yourself I've heard that you know so though right Bob went to the store and bought bread and you'd say to yourself well I feel I've heard a sentence like that a million times yeah and even though they're put together and all the right way with the right grammar they've got a point they've got a you know a beginning a middle and end you could do everything right but it's not going to look like good professional writing if every part of it you think you've seen before in different contexts but you think you've seen it all before you have never heard the words plain spoken basement wisdom before and so your brain automatically goes Oh something new and so you pay attention now what also makes this funny is that the if you go against somebody's strengths that's the best thing you could do as a you know a political attack you want to take out their strengths because the weakness is already weakness you know it's probably doing its own work just being its weakness so joe biden's is they he seems to be this you know

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is they he seems to be this you know ordinaryjoe who tells it like it is and there's no there's no artifice there's no no artificial anything about him he's just plain spoken Joe Biden so I'm going with his strength except I'm redefining it as basement wisdom now as soon as you hear that what do you think about his wisdom when I framed it as basement wisdom because there's no reason the basement needs to be an insult that is just literally where he is but you're you're bright your brain uncritically thinks wait a minute basement wisdom does not sound as good as above-ground wisdom if you know what I mean if so you know you know the old joke about going to find the the yogi or to find your guru you have to always climb a mountain you're always climbing a mountain to find wisdom wisdom is high right wisdom is up in heaven wisdom is that the the the top the top story of a skyscraper where all the CEOs are right wisdom is

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where all the CEOs are right wisdom is north is near the top of everything so by calling a basin of the wisdom I've insulted it without using an insult because your brain added the insult because you thought base for the wisdom say so what is good about this is that it reframes and that it does it with words that you haven't seen in this order before interesting words and it does it very very quickly they're just a you know one sentence of your own so that's what I wanted to teach you those are your techniques so that you can you can use on your own by the way the way I write these things is I often write them with ordinary words first so that the first sentence would have no zip it probably I don't remember but it was probably something like it was probably something like that the people who are living in houses appreciate your wisdom or something like that and it would it was said the same thing but but then the second pass I go okay what would be a

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second pass I go okay what would be a funnier word than reside dwell dwell is just a funny word and you know when you hear it you go to dwell that's a funny word all right I am frankly amazed at what CNN is doing with their fake news so they're the way they're covering the the fake news about the Clorox stuff is that they're they're using the word ingesting that the president never used so there's no point at which the president that's a block there's there's no there's no evidence and of course the president didn't do it he did not use the word ingest if the President had said what any doctors what do you think about the idea of ingesting disinfectants well

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idea of ingesting disinfectants well everybody in the world would say ingesting that sounds like you mean drink it but it didn't say ingest he said inject now and he was then he talked about the lungs and he was talking about in the context of the lights and everything so inject is actually what happens the intubation tube goes down your trachea and in some cases might go all the way into the lungs that's being discussed as well and they actually inject something into your body down your down your both and then they disinfect using light or there's actually talked about different aerosols that could be that could be you know bad for the virus but not for your body so see how to use the word ingest of their headlines that is so so illegitimate and so illegitimate but here's the funny part there there it's the people who believe it I mean if you

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the people who believe it I mean if you believe that the president United States recommended drinking Clorox and Lysol what does that say about you because you think it the people who believe that think they're saying something about the president but if you were just sort of back out for a moment say you back up for a moment look at it look at it like you were you know God looking down other people and you see a person who believes that the president went in public and recommended drinking Clorox and Lysol does that seem likely even if you believe that this president says things that you don't agree with that maybe are not scientifically appropriate do you think this president recommended that in public do you really need to go to look at the transcript somebody says he said it in jest he didn't say it in jest and for those of you who believe what he said he was being sarcastic you really have to look at the beer on that one cuz if you could see sarcasm there I

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one cuz if you could see sarcasm there I don't see it all I saw was he was right he just doesn't want to go through the bother of explaining why he was right because he was completely right he actually knew more than the deuce people and he may have known a little bit more that dr. Burks about this one UV light thing because it was just based on some articles she may not have seen them so I think the better explanation is he do exactly what he was talking about but he said it clearly that part is objectively true anyway have you heard of the uncanny valley I think you have if you've watched my periscopes I remind you what that is so the uncanny valley is the idea and you can look it up on Wikipedia just google uncanny valley and it's the idea that we humans can find something cute if it doesn't look like a human at all so my cat boo is on the rug over there and she's very cute it's because she doesn't look anything like a human so I so my brain allows me to see

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human so I so my brain allows me to see her as cute likewise if I had a robot that looked like a proper robot did it look like a human I might think my robot was kind of cute but where you get in trouble the uncanny valley is that when you get closer and closer to something that's human but not quite there such as a zombie the zombie is almost like a human but there's something wrong and it's that little something wrong that slight change which we causes us revulsion so when you see a monster movie with the undead or somebody's got a human-like form but they're not human you go ah that's terrible because they're almost human but they're not that's the worst thing I like it when they're human I like it with their robot but don't give me that almost human thing that's gonna freak me out and so I speculate that I'm having that experience watching people who believe the fake news you know arguing with people on Twitter and even watching the

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people on Twitter and even watching the you know live interviews actually looking like they believe that the president recommended drinking Clorox and Lysol I can't see them as human are you having the same problem now obviously they are human if you've been DNA and all that but but in the context of having this discussion they take on an almost unnatural I don't know it's like they're possessed because they don't make any sense I just had an argument with somebody who insisted he could read the president's mind and then his interpretation of what the president meant is based on this guide knowing what he was thinking and he actually in public he was willing to tell me that he knows what a stranger is thinking when it's obvious that was the opposite of that it's pretty obvious so they register as zombies to me and I'm not saying that is an insult I'm saying that is just a description that what I'm

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is just a description that what I'm talking to somebody who can't deal with even the the most obvious truth that the president never recommended drinking Clorox you don't even have to look at the transcript to know that didn't happen but if you do look at the transcript you can tell it didn't happen but you don't need to it's just so obviously didn't happen now I saw this with the Russia collusion stuff I saw this with the fine people hoax the people who actually believe this stuff just don't register at the moment that they're not believing it at that moment they don't register as fully functioning people now to be fair I have to assume that Democrats think exactly the same thing about Republicans and conservatives it just depends on the context you know it depends who is believing the fake news on any given moment because it's not like the fake news is only believed by one side obviously but there is a big difference that's been demonstrated by my studies this says that the

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my studies this says that the conservatives at least are aware of both arguments the Conservatives know what their argument is and they also know what the other side is whereas the the left typically doesn't even have any exposure to the opposite argument so by the time that they get into the debate with me they've never even seen the other side and so it's the first time they're hearing it and their brain can't process that they could have been wrong but so wrong for so long and so positive at the same time and then I dismantle them in about ten seconds and cognitive dissonance sinks in and they flip into zombie mode and the zombie mode is like oh I saw it I saw it with my own arse aw it's right there they say where is it here's the transcript can you point to the place of the transcript where he literally said to drink Clorox or even something you could interpret that way can he can you show me where he said that and of course it isn't there okay

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that and of course it isn't there okay I'm seeing people agree that it is an uncanny valley kind of thing now there was a time early early on with this hoax the disinfectant hoax there was a time when I thought oh they're just playing with us they don't really believe it you know they don't believe it they're just saying it cuz people say things in the political season but it definitely seems to be when you see you know Anderson Cooper and you see some of the other people talking about it it looks like they actually believe it he said inject correct and Jack or are you correctly I think you're corrected because I said insert is a that might be what you're correcting in the cabinets yes I believe he said inject which which is also a descriptive word for putting something down all the way into your lungs you're injecting it into a body so that's not the right medical word but it should be obvious in

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medical word but it should be obvious in context what he meant how much will you pay I don't know what that means
CNN will change reality I said in jest is what the CNN is saying in their headlines so I've used ingest for what CNN says but what the president said was inject which is an accurate word yeah somebody saying when I saw it live I thought you wanted to inject light that's that's what I thought now he also asked more generally about you know cleaning out the lungs and it turns out that there are a number of gas like treatments where they inject gas into your lungs and the gas is like a disinfectant in other context so disinfected of course is the problem

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disinfected of course is the problem word because a vaccine got a vaccine but let's say a therapeutic that you do ingest is a disinfectant I will solve your problem boom problem solved
please next topic but bulb I just doing a little blocking here excuse me anybody else need a block I think we're good for now all right uh so that's basically all I had for today and yeah he was brain starving but he was brainstorming about real things that really exist and the Democrats will pretend they don't the Brits call the coronavirus Miley Cyrus what I thought I saw a Miley Cyrus in

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what I thought I saw a Miley Cyrus in the news I didn't know what that was about
Bergy Bergy for hire says haha Wow trumpets will do and say anything to cover for their orange daddy so let me ask you Burgie for hire did you believe that the President of the United States was suggesting drinking Clorox are you proud of that are you are you proud of the fact that you believe that your news you shouldn't admit that in public so I'll give you a block so you don't have to worry about it anymore
did I already talk about tracing apps I talked about a little bit last night but let me say more about that there I guess Australia has a tracing app it's voluntary and it will tell you who you've come in contact with in terms of

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you've come in contact with in terms of other people who have also volunteered to use the app or is it is it only the volunteers I'm not sure if it's only those volunteers anyway that Apple Google have some kind of thing where they can tell who you've contacted based on where you're focused on I think that might be our only solution Tamiya seems that the simulation has served up the following test and it goes like this our belief is that we are a species who needs privacy and that privacy is just a plus it's always a plus more privacy is better and we all have that same feeling I have it you have it it's just natural well I don't know if we're raised that way or it's just just automatic but we all want privacy however this video game of life has presented us with the following challenge apparently that we can't say this for sure but apparently all of our other solutions are going to be ineffective it looks

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are going to be ineffective it looks like people don't build immunity baby you know we don't know that for sure it looks like our therapeutics might help but probably are not going to be a magic bullet it looks like we'll have to wait too long to to get to a vaccine it seems to me that the one and only solution that could work is aggressive lack of privacy in other words just say all right the only way we're going to deal with this without losing billions of people it's the only way we tried every other path the therapeutics work a little but they don't solve it the vaccines don't get us there there's no herd immunity we can't socially distance forever the one and only thing that will work can only work if people give up more privacy that they would like to give up so that's your challenge and I would argue that this is baby and awareness challenge oh you don't like that you

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challenge oh you don't like that you don't like that this might be an awareness problem and I believe that we cannot go to the next level in this video game simulation until we understand that privacy and our need for it is more illusion that an actual deed and I say that because I think we humans were we've evolved to not have that much privacy meaning that by our nature were tribal and if you're in a tribe and you don't even have doors and windows there's not much privacy so I don't think we're a species who evolved over millions of years to need privacy of the way we think we do it's a preference so we have a preference for it that's very strong we have a we have a fear of losing it because we we fear that that will have a give problems and I think that that is an illusion and so we might actually destroy civilization on earth if we

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destroy civilization on earth if we can't see past it if you can't see past the illusion now the other possibilities you just open up and take the hint so that's a path you just say well it might be half a billion of Americans died but we're not going to close down the country and that's just what it's going to be and I would guess I don't know it's sort of a 50-50 at this point whether whether we'll take the hit or will give up some privacy to avoid the hit I don't know you would need to make carrying a phone mandatory no that is not correct the beauty of the contact tracing is that it can be very imprecise and still good enough you can you could do a terrible job at contact tracing but let's say if you got half of it you would be cutting in half the virality of the thing and that might be enough if you cut it in half it might be enough to kill it so would you say well people buy turned off their phones some people you know

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off their phones some people you know might not want to participate blah blah blah that's all true but the estimate that the Australian app makers made was that if 40 percent of the public used it voluntarily just 40 percent that would be enough to catch so much of it that you'd get you get the virality level below one which means that one person now gives it to fewer than one person which means that it eventually disappears so even if 40 percent that looks like you work so I really think this feels like a challenge to humanity to see if we can give up privacy in some intelligent way now when I say give up privacy I don't be the stuff you do in your bedroom you know nobody cares about that I don't be in your bathroom nobody cares about that I'm talking about where you spend your money and where you go and I've argued for decades that the only privacy that's real is lack of interest the only privacy that's real is when people don't care and the reason

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when people don't care and the reason that celebrities have so little privacy relative to the regular public is that people care the reason I have less privacy than you do is because you have a public figure so people are willing to you violate my privacy not that I mind because if you're a public figure that's part of the deal so that's that's what I think now and I acknowledge that the vast majority of you violently disagree with what I just said and that you're not going to give up privacy even at the cost of half a million deaths in this country I don't think that's a wrong decision if you ask me you know Scott do you recommend that we give up our privacy I would say I can't recommend that for you it's sort of a personal decision everybody has a road deed for obsession with privacy so people need a lot some people need a little sort of a psychological phenomenon and so he said you first I

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phenomenon and so he said you first I already went first can I see you know somebody says you first pine-sol just said that pied Saul followed by a number you you don't have here you know have your picture of the profile but you're looking at me you don't have your real name but the profile but you know my real name I can't google you and find out where you live but you could google me and find out where I live you can look at my whole life on Wikipedia half of its wrong but if you can look at it you can learn all the fake news about me everywhere one of its role of course but I've already given up my privacy so I know what I'm talking about yeah if if I said to you hey you regular people would you be willing to give up as much privacy as I have already how many of you would say yes to that how many of you would take the deal of giving up only as much privacy as I give up every day just by being a public figure how many would you say yes to

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figure how many would you say yes to that a few but most of you would be quite uncomfortable with it right I just happened not to me so it's just a very personal thing freedom is the issue dot privacy well I take that correction so somebody says the real issue is freedom not privacy so I accept that upgrade but I don't think it changes the argument in the least it just sort of the substitutes a little bit and let extra meeting but let's let's say you call it freedom it's the same question are you willing to give up that specific kind of freedom it's not all freedom you know you could still say do things you want it's just a very specific kind so if you want to call it freedom instead of privacy I'll accept that but it's not freedom in general it's just that specific kind of freedom do you ever go

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specific kind of freedom do you ever go back and read all the combats after I actually do yeah frequently I go back just to read the comments if I was talking about something and I don't know how it went over I'll go read the comments to see how people reacted which is a really good idea somebody says your life and your choices don't apply to my life and my choices correct correct so if there's somebody here who says screw you Scott you don't get to talk for me I get to make my own choices I say that's true there's no argument there I don't have any control over your choices no no no and I don't want it I'm just saying that if you want the current situation you don't have to get it and if you want a different situation well there's a path there's a path there too if you don't want to take it I can't push it I I certainly wouldn't try to make you make that choice I'm actually with you to me freedom is sufficiently important that if you said to be Scott

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important that if you said to be Scott here are your two choices you know you give away the people have to give away their freedom you could call it but it's really privacy part of freedom or half a million people die might not be you might not be one of your family members but half a million people are gonna die earlier that they needed to be most of them are elderly will you take that deal I would say maybe that's that's not unreasonable you know given the number of people who have died for freedom if you told me well we're gonna queue up another half a million of them because every now and then you got to buy your freedom again so that's the price coronavirus just gave us the invoice and the invoice says if you like some freedom or if you'd like to keep some freedom you thought you had here's your invoice it's somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000 dead might not be you might not be your family could be could be you could be your family but here's your invoice are

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your family but here's your invoice are you willing to pay this to get that bit of privacy slash freedom I think a reasonable person who would pay that bill am I wrong would a reasonable person pay that bill I say yes I think there's plenty of room for people to have different priorities because this is so much a logic question a lot of questions are just you know are you are you rational you know sometimes there's there's a rational opinion there's a bad crazy opinion but this isn't one of those situations this is purely a priority question mostly mostly a priority question is your priority it is a priority you'd be willing to die for or risk death you wouldn't be willing to die for it but you might be willing to risk death and you're willing to risk half a million deaths of the country because your priority is this bit of freedom reasonable it's reasonable I'm not sure

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reasonable it's reasonable I'm not sure I would agree with it but I wouldn't tell you you were being crazy you know the people who say there's almost no there's no price too big for freedom you know if you'd said you know look Scott it's going to cost us five million people five billion people and some of them might be your family but it's the only way we can buy it buy our freedom back I would say again even have five million people I'd say I might take the other way you know I'll look at my options but I'm not going to criticize you if you said freedom is worth five million people and some of them might be your family if you if you're willing to say that directly I'll say well you're a person who's thought this room you've looked at the costs you've looked at the benefits you've got a philosophy you've got some history on your side yeah I would accept that as a credible opinion all right somebody says I'll take the gamble and

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somebody says I'll take the gamble and keep my freedom well let me ask you this for the for the person who just said this I'm going to accept that you get to set your own priorities and I will not tell you that you should change them so I'm not going to try to change your mind I'm just curious what kind of freedom has that kind of value to you because I can't think of any in my own life and like I said I've experienced a lack of freedom for decades relative to what other people had and I would have assumed it would be bad but I don't experience it that way I don't know if I just got used to it or my personality is such that it doesn't bother me I don't know but ask yourself what specifically you would be afraid of somebody knowing now most of the times when I ask this kind of question it it turns it to a chain of events it's a slippery slope argument in disguise so the real argument is not well I don't really care if there's some encrypted

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really care if there's some encrypted database about where my phone has been when I hadn't done so I think you'd find people to say okay I don't really care about that you know because that's could be temporary it's useful I'm not going anywhere that's you know I'm not gonna go anywhere to do any drug deals I don't have a mistress so yeah I don't care but I do care if this becomes the first stage of doing your permanently because then you know it's a slippery slope to losing all of my rights I always reject the slippery slope argument
and so Dave Reubens just texted me we're gonna we're gonna talk soon Dave ribbit has a new book out and I'd like to talk to him about his new book so we'll do that probably Tuesday's I'm

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so we'll do that probably Tuesday's I'm not sure all right I think Tuesday's book comes out that doesn't mean I'll be talking to about Tuesday so I'll set that up and we'll talk about this and but ask yourself ask yourself which privacy in particular you really care about you might find that when you dig down there's just nothing there because again nobody's giving up your bathroom or your bedroom privacy nobody's talking about giving up your your health care records it's not not that kind of thing all right your financial info you know did you hear Greg Gutfeld talk about is it Norway it might have the details wrong I think it's Norway that publishes everybody's tax records in the public place have you heard about that they just post it it's just I lied you could go look at your neighbor's tax returns in Norway now what's your first reaction to that oh my god oh my god I'm not gonna live in a world where my neighbors or anybody who wants can see my tax returns but has Norway

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my tax returns but has Norway disappeared has Norway sunk into the ocean if you ask the typical Norwegian hey what's your biggest problem today do you think they're gonna say you know everything's pretty good but my taxes are online and my neighbor can see him and so he says the vol was right about the slippery slope people try to use navall as their argument substitute like if Duval said it I should automatically agree but in almost every case somebody's misunderstanding the vols opinion no navall does now say there's such a thing as a slippery slope I haven't even heard his opinion and I know that that's not true so don't tell me that of all believes there is such a thing as a slippery slope there is such a thing as things changing over time sometimes they get better sometimes they get worse sometimes they change in a way that some people say is better as some people say it's worse but there's no rule of

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it's worse but there's no rule of physics that is the slippery slope there's no automatic reason that things go in the same direction and there's no way that no vall believes that all right I'm not reading his mind I'm just saying he's way too smart to say that the slippery slope is a thing it's it's just that some things go in a direction and some things don't but I mean that's all this alright but in Norway none of the Norwegians seem to have a problem I haven't given up one of the most basic pieces of privacy that you've ever heard of in your life I'm not recommending we do that because I personally have a high priority and keeping people from looking at my tax returns because my income is in that category or I don't want people looking at it you know maybe if I had you know a bore ordinary job I would say I don't care who cares I'm an accountant somebody looks at my numbers I don't care but doctor who cares if somebody knows that I make a lot of money because I'm a doctor nobody cares but I'm in a weird

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nobody cares but I'm in a weird situation where people actually do look up my net worth on Forbes like the number of people who have googled mind that worth is kind of crazy it's always wrong by the way you you you google it it's just ridiculous guesses I've talked about the Crenshaw interview a bunch so I won't be talking about that again probably Scott you're wrong about this there is a video a video of what there's a video of what if you're saying that there's a video of Deval believing in magic I'm gonna say I don't have to research that I don't the slippery slope is basically magical thinking that there's there's something that causes things to magically move in a direction absent causing the fact that a fact everything else in the world that's just other thing things move forward if there's no reason to stop them and they

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there's no reason to stop them and they stop when there's a reason to stop them that's it that's all you need to know
Scott it's not like you say in Norway you are wrong I don't know what that means it's called hysteresis not a slippery slope now I will admit that if you get used to something it's more likely that you could move to the next level once you got used to the first thing that's real but it's also what progress looks like somebody says Jim Davis wakes it makes it way more than you do yeah Jim Davis I don't know about this year but he makes it way more than most people but Bob oh great way of making friends at work yeah you know but in theory the lack of privacy the match of this what would a lack of privacy about your tax returns do for income

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your tax returns do for income inequality at the very least the male-female difference in payments should be obvious right stop telling me that there's a video of Duvall believing in magic because I'm not going to go look for it it doesn't exist it's not a thing but I'm not going to I'm not gonna look into that sorry no nobody believes in magic I'm sorry you can say you saw it you can say you could you could say you saw it with your own eyes you can say you heard it with your own ears you could even point me to the URL it's not there it doesn't exist you might think you heard it but it's not there all right have you seen Minority Report I have yes would you agree there is the thin end of the wedge I don't know what

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thin end of the wedge I don't know what that means Germany and Nazism was a slippery slope nope it's just something that happened
slippery slope applies there something like physics or there's a law that made it go in the way again no there was just people who made decisions and it went that way if people make other decisions that it doesn't go that way if the slippery slope existed there would be all kinds of Nazi Germany's Nazi Germany would be the norm if there was a slippery slope that got you to there there are points of friction somebody says the slippery slope is when you break a point of friction do you know why there would be no friction because people agree it's a good idea if it you can't call the slippery slope when people think it's a good idea that's not the slippery slope

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all right that's enough for now I'll talk to you all tonight you know and if I'd be see you then