Episode 935 Scott Adams: Talking Questions About Clorox and Lysol

Date: 2020-04-25 | Duration: 38:52

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well let's try this I'm back I'm back there's a little bug with the interface here on periscope so if you don't select the option we're taking guests before you start the livestream you don't get an option to do it afterwards that needs to be fixed morning good morning good morning if you'd love to enjoy this morning even more I recommend the following all you need is a cup or a marker glass a tank or jealous or Stein in the canteen jerker flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee enjoy me now for the unparalleled pleasure that don't put me in the end of the day the thing that makes everything better including the pandemic it's called the simultaneous hip and it starts now coke
mmm delicious well let's talk about all the things I tell you I could not be

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the things I tell you I could not be more fascinated by this whole Clorox Lysol fake news thing it's really it's it's a jaw-dropper because apparently Pierce Pierce Morgan actually believes that the president was wondering aloud I've been corrected to now say that people think the president recommended it but rather to use a more accurate phrase they he wondered aloud about according to the gullible people he wondered aloud about injecting Clorox and Lysol into your body to fight coronavirus which is not a thing if anybody's listening it's not a thing it will probably kill you almost certainly kill you so don't do that there's also the reason that anybody with a half functioning brain should know that whatever he was saying which was

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whatever he was saying which was admittedly unclear your your sense of that's how the world works should have led you to wonder hey I wonder if I'm hearing this correctly maybe the context is different than what I think and so I got into a little back-and-forth just before I got on with David Pakman you may know him as a anti-trump er but the weird thing is he's actually reasonably smart and he thinks that the president was wondering aloud his his race he believes the president was wondering aloud about injecting Clorox and Lysol into bodies how could you be smart and think that how can you even like how could you have an IQ over a hundred I think the president said that well the answer is that the left still believed the news did you see the was some survey

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the news did you see the was some survey it might have been Rasmussen or somebody we're saying that Democrats still believe the news that the news is is accurate not all of them of course but and I thought that we left that place a long time ago I thought nobody thought that the news was was legitimate now the best thing that the news does is that they they create a problem and then they assign the problem and blame Trump now Trump created the opportunity for a problem by communicating on clearly and he probably should not have been talking about medical stuff even in the hypothetical I think we don't agree on that but suppose suppose the public had simply watched why he said and then there were no pundits no news people to tell people what to think about it I don't think anybody would have watched that and said I'm gonna go try mainlining Clorox I don't think they

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mainlining Clorox I don't think they would have I think they would have just said I don't know he's talking about but obviously he doesn't mean you know I don't know what he's talking about but the one thing that's obvious he's not talking about putting bleach and isopropyl alcohol into your body on your own
own it was definitely nothing that but of course the news reported that he was he was saying that and if the news says that he's wondering aloud about doing this ridiculous thing who believes it well it turns out that almost nobody on the right believes and except Piers Morgan piers Morgan actually believe this happened I mean you can look at the transcript and then you can you know hear later he did a bad job of explaining it at the time but once you hear about the UV light to being used as a disinfectant and it is injected into the body maybe not the right word but it's injected down your trachea what did you know the context it's obvious that's

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you know the context it's obvious that's what he was talking about how could you still cling to the fact that you think he was wondering about injecting bleach and isopropyl alcohol amazing so there's a fairly predictable thing that happens when you get into a conversation with people about this which is it goes like this and it happened with Pakman so Pakman I guess had been watching me debate this online and he tweets this he says Scott I would take the loss on this one and move on it's getting cringy really I don't know how much harder I could win is it cringy that I'm calling out other people for hallucinating something that didn't happen is that cringey so I so I

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didn't happen is that cringey so I so I asked him if he would say directly that he believes the president was recommending Clorox and isopropyl shots because I wanted didn't I asked him would you say that in public would you say directly i watched the president and his seemed to me he was recommending Clorox and licensed shots and how did David respond he argued with the recommending part that's not really the that's not really the active part of the problem here so he said no not recommending that he wondered loud which of course would be bad enough now I accept wondering aloud as a better description I feel that that would be fair to say wondering aloud would be better than recommending in terms of describing it but instead of arguing the point which is that the

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arguing the point which is that the president was or was not talking about bleach and isopropyl going into your body Pakman retreats to argue about whether was recommended or whether he was wondering aloud do you see what's happening you wouldn't be arguing about the word recommended or vs. wondering aloud you wouldn't argue that unless you already knew that you had lost the debate on whether it happened so whether you described it as recommending it or wondering aloud it doesn't matter because it literally never happened neither of those things happen there was nothing that happened so describe how you describe the thing that didn't happen is somewhat irrelevant
so anyway then he decided that once he had completely lost the debate in public he did what everybody does when the cognitive dissonance sets in he he

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cognitive dissonance sets in he he attacked the messenger and decided that he should not talk to me because I'm a bad faith actor that didn't go well so if if you want to see my my curse laid in response to him you can see that on the tweet I won't say it out loud here's the thing that people say when they get caught the leaving some fake news and you how many times have you heard this but the president literally said that you're about to find people hoax he literally said it I heard it he literally said it if somebody's defending their point of view but I'm saying there's somebody literally said something that means they don't understand how words work cuz words don't work literally that's not how words work I mean unless it's a

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how words work I mean unless it's a legal contract I suppose when people talk their words are not to be taken literally if you don't understand that words are not meant literally typically it's the normal way we talk you don't really understand anything that's pretty basic right if if I say man politics are killing me today did I literally say that politics are literally killing me or is it obvious in context I don't literally mean it's killing me so words are not to be taken literally and anybody who imagines that it is not working at a very high level now at the same time that CNN is reporting that the president wondered aloud about it depending on who's talking about either drinking bleach or injecting it of course is not really being covered as a

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course is not really being covered as a major story on Fox they talk about it as a story but it's just sort of a major you know sort of we talked about it now we'll move on but on CNN it's all they have was like they're it's like their main thing but on Fox they're talking about how CN as CNN is not covering the other story which is that Biden's accuser Tara Reid the one who said that Biden me tutor back in the 90s apparently there was some evidence or had been suggested that Tara Reid's mother had once called Larry King on the air and mentioned that her daughter who was not named in the call had some issues at work with a powerful person and believe it or not that transcript was found after all these years and it sure enough Larry King took a call at about that time from a woman who said that her daughter was having some problems with getting me to not using

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problems with getting me to not using those words by somebody powerful so it's looking like the terror read claim against Biden is kind of picking up strength if you know what I mean and it's pretty amazing that it's now being covered on CNN it's amazing really how come we're not pardoning Flynn and stone already why is that taking so long you know that's gonna happen right I mean it has to happen I don't know if it's commuter or pardoned or what what the right words are but I think those guys are not gonna go to jail or at least get on jail is king john kim jeong-hoon dead so that's the big story busy now what the thing that's fascinating about North Korea is that they they North Korea can go a week with the whole world wondering if their leader is dead and

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wondering if their leader is dead and they're they're still not willing to confirm or deny it can you imagine any other country in the world in which there's a rumor about your leader is dead and you don't immediately go on television say oh no he's fine here is where to go on television say yeah you know you got us he's dead we're doing the best we can well what's up with that like what is North Korea not even admit it could it be that they don't want the civil unrest in North Korea but allegedly China sending some doctors over there but why would they send doctors if he's already dead which would suggest he's in some kind of a vegetated vegetative coma situation or something and there's thinking that Kim jong-un's sister might be the one to take over now here are the things I wonder question number one is North Korea the kind of culture where a woman can be their leader I don't know the answer to that question

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answer to that question is North Korea a place where a woman can just become leader and everybody just says okay now our leader is a woman or is a place where they would say would a woman for a leader we can't do that so I'd like to get some visibility on that question the other thing I wonder is does the sister have blood on her hands does anybody know how acquittals is the word I should have used about Flynn and stoning us so is this the second hoax this year in the last 12 months that involved bleach because you got the Jessie smaller thing that involved bleach and now you've got you know this one it's like what is what is bleach become two major fake news stories that's weird anyway so if Kim jong-un's sister does not have blood in her hands does that

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not have blood in her hands does that give us an opportunity and here's why I asked the hardest thing about being a brutal dictator is that you can't retire how would you retire if you're a brutal dictator and even if you wanted your country to become a democratic country you can't retire because you've killed so many people to be a dictator that you're gonna be jailed or killed or you know you're gonna get that Qaddafi Qaddafi treatment so I've always thought there should be some way to remove a dictator without killing them so that they could say oh I'm just going to the the island of retired dictators where I'll live like a live like a god for the rest of my life okay that's better than being killed I'll take it and but in this case if Kim jong-un is has health problems or he's dead and his sister takes over what if she doesn't have any blood on her hands maybe she does so I guess that would be the first thing to

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guess that would be the first thing to find out but if she doesn't and when I say doesn't I mean if she's just not being directly blamed for having somebody killed yeah maybe you could stretch and say well she's part of regimes of they'll have blood enhance but if she's not directly tied to it personally doesn't that give her the opportunity to retire and buy retire I mean could she now say look I'm gonna do what's best for North Korea and that might mean some kind of a merger with South Korea you know maybe very slowly over a long period but I would like to retire from the dictator business I don't have any blood on my hands so I could just I could just retire and become a an elite living in the country that would be much better because they combined with South Korea so I wouldn't rule out that the sister being in charge could be the key to unlocking the whole thing it seems

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to unlocking the whole thing it seems unlikely I mean if you had to guess what will happen she she probably would be you know battling for power you know who knows how long that will take before somebody emerges who can consolidate power you know and is the leader really in charge or is it going to be the military so there are a million things that could go wrong but there's at least one thing that could go right which is if you shake the box maybe you get a leader who just says you know I'm not really that warlike I wouldn't mind just working stuff out it's possible it's possible we could just work stuff out after this the the FCC has recommended revoking four Chinese telecom companies licenses and you know there's gonna be more of that somebody says oh please she's feared while I would imagine she'd be feared but it would have to be also a

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be feared but it would have to be also a specific story of something that she did that wasn't tied to Kim jong-un yeah just just have an excuse I'm not saying that she's clean I'm saying that maybe you could make a story that she is which would give you some new options I don't see anything that could change the fact that China is in a lot of trouble meaning that I think the United States not I think the United States will be decoupling we're gonna I think we'll disconnect our internet from China I mean at some point I think we won't even be connected to their internet that's possible and maybe that's unlikely but it's possible all right
Kanye West is reportedly a billionaire according to Forbes so congratulation Kanye Kanye says that says he has over a three billion net worth and Forbes says it was over 1 billion but in any case he's a billionaire so good job Kanye and

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he's a billionaire so good job Kanye and being a billionaire then there's also some news of course these are all anecdotal and you know it's no more proven than hydroxychloroquine or reservoir but there's an existing asthma drug which apparently or at least reportedly could have some value for crota for virus patients with lung problems it's called singulair so singulair and existing asthma medication so that would be exciting so there's some anecdotal reports that that might be kind of good all right I want to take questions from anybody who believes that the president was wondering aloud and I want to only do these questions to see if maybe there's nobody who wants to argue this because I wouldn't if I had that position I wouldn't want to argue it in public but let's say there is so I'm only gonna look for people so if

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I'm only gonna look for people so if you've if you've gotten in line to ask me a question please take yourself out of the queue unless you want to argue with me and take the side that Trump was wondering aloud about injecting Clorox and and other disinfectants so only looking for that all right let's see who is on here all right so I figure the first few people may not be wanting to argue that so if I if I add you and you don't want to make that argument I might kind of short but I'm not I'm not trying to be rude
all right guests can you hear me a guests hello can you hear me yes I could

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guests hello can you hear me yes I could hear you nicolai do Europe yeah is our connection good say something else yes okay now did you are you here to talk about the Clorox and Lysol yes in a way I watched the conference live and in the beginning of course I thought that he made a reference on how I don't know he did better he did make it a reference to two different kinds of disinfectants I go ahead and in the end watching the journalist not telling any reaction on the spot and then there was a question later on from a journal I could tell that maybe somebody from the studio was telling him please go ahead pop the

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telling him please go ahead pop the question yeah you know yeah you're right I do think that they're connected at least by text - some kind of producers or whatever Hotel more questions to ask but clearly this was manufactured news but in but you you don't believe that he was actually wondering aloud about using Clorox inside a inside a person right I don't believe you that were that yeah why I get a little bit of a hearing problem here so I'm gonna disconnect that call I think nothing personal all right let's see if Susan is here to debate Susan can you hear me Susan hey Susan are you are you are you here to talk about Clorox and Lysol yeah um this one for me I feel like it

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yeah um this one for me I feel like it really it's the last straw when it comes to the media and how destructive they can be in this kind of situation Trump in as I've watched him I see that he this stream of consciousness kind of conversation out loud he has lots of good ideas but anytime someone does that there's a lot of bad ideas you know that sort of come out of your mouth realize what you said right having said that there are situations where UV light is used medically as a disinfectant not internally at this point but there are respiratory aerosol medications that are used in the case of our sve respiratory syncytial virus so now not Clorox and not Lysol but see him free associating gee could we come up with a drug that could get you know right into the lungs and I know alright but are you aware

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and I know alright but are you aware that there already they've already invented and our testing UV light that literally is engine stuck down your trachea as part of like a ventilator intubation and so they are actually it's it's patented re and they're they're going to test it if they're not already so they're already talking about using light internally and you're at least your trachea if not your lungs and they're disinfecting that way yeah actually I think that's a great idea because uh you know then you're not have a chemical that your liver has to detoxify no I you know I really think enough is enough and
and I think we all know and trust that Trump is smart enough not to tell anybody to mainline Lysol and Clorox so you know I'm just done with all of this destructive kind of wasted time with these kind of stories and I think it's counterproductive so yeah I agree all right thank you for the comments all

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all right thank you for the comments all right I'll bet nobody's gonna want to actually debate me on this in public but I might get lucky because I'm kind of curious how somebody will respond once they hear the actual context hello color can you hear me can hear hi Scott how you doing good how are you yeah not too bad I'm calling here from iron engine County Cork now now did you believe the president was was wondering aloud about putting Clorox and Lysol inside the bodies well I was just watching a video of Tim Poole and he says that Trump had been given advice about a and ejecting are inhaling disinfectant into the lungs he had been

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disinfectant into the lungs he had been hearing that advice not long before the press conference yeah there there are a number of therapies in which a some kind of a mist will be the right but but there are things which you can inhale and in other context they use them now the the question of whether those would be called a disinfectants or they would simply have the effect of doing something good that lets your body get rid of the virus I think it's sort of a technical question but certainly light is a disinfectant and and he did show that he noticed that that's you know could be put in a body and if he was speaking more generally about something that could be put in the body to distance you're right at worst he was using a word in a non specifically medical term because we don't know if those things would be disinfectants or would they

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would be disinfectants or would they just be useful so yeah I mean but it doesn't matter the only thing that matters is nobody believes he was talking about putting you know household products down your body yeah that would be ridiculous all right yeah I think temple or did a link to and you might visit us you to John he did a link to a medical journal where they are let's say inhaling hydrogen peroxide which would be similar to bleach yeah yes and I read that there that that in some settings that's a thing that already exists exactly like yeah and I think I think apparently you know I can't say but apparently Trump was listening to this and the UV laser treatment and maybe he you know he simplified it in his own Trump way which is fine and that he you know he might got himself into trouble is what I yeah

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got himself into trouble is what I yeah yeah certainly certainly he should not have been speculating in that medical domain there's nowhere that could have gone well but it is also true the weird thing is that he got in trouble for actually demonstrating in public that he knows more than the public knows about the options yet because because everything he said was actually medically sound he just used layperson terms from all right thanks for the thanks for the call thanks Scott bite right all right I'll bet I'll find nobody who's actually willing to debate me let's see if there's anybody who looks like I guess if I can find anybody who looks like a Democrat at least does anybody look like a Democrat alright I gotta try this one this is just this be a lucky guess alright black art can you hear me can you hear me hey Scott

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hear me can you hear me hey Scott pleasure to meet you nice to meet you you're here to talk about Clorox and Lysol yeah and I'm not a Democrat but one of the things that concerned me was recently and I think it was yesterday Trump was having a briefing in the Oval Office and there was a reporter that asks him to clarify his comments about objections of disinfectants and Trump's response was that he was being sarcastic so I wonder if that makes this argument a little bit more difficult on his side well I've not met anybody on the left or the right who thought that was a true statement that he believed he was being sarcastic or that he was being sarcastic so given that nobody believes that's true you'd have to you'd have to assume that he was just trying to make the question go hey in his Trump like way

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question go hey in his Trump like way which he succeeded in doing because the last thing he wanted was to engage that in the question because if anything he said would be the next news cycle about what some other thing he said unclearly about medical stuff so I think he probably I got the feeling especially because he ended the news the press conference earlier without questions I got the feeling that he got the message that non-medical people talking about medical stuff is never going to go well and and I think this is just a gas I think he probably just looked at the odds and said okay risk management if I do this again there's no upside there's no upside but there's lots of downside because I could be taken out of context again so why don't I just say it was sarcastic nobody will believe me but I'll just stick with that not about I'll just stick with it I don't have to talk about it it was I said this last night on periscope it was the Rosie O'Donnell move you know in the first the first

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move you know in the first the first debate when he was asked about his bad comments about women in general and instead of answering the question he said only Rosie O'Donnell which was a ridiculous answer then nobody his supporters believe it just was completely non believable but it was so interesting and weird that it made the real question go away he just took all the attention away so when he said it was sarcastic I think everybody said and my follow-up question is why don't you know what to do with that what do you do with that cuz you know it's not true but he's actually like it's true so you can't ask a follow-up question there's nothing to do so well he's just gonna say it was sarcastic again well I have nothing else to do so I can't read his mind I think he just wanted the topic to go away and he succeeded in not getting any more quotes on medical topics you know anyway it was it was not his finest week but certainly the things he's being accused of are not true either

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of are not true either all right thanks to the call thanks come on we can get one person to argue this
how about this person who's who is not fake news hello not fake news are you there sounds like you're cooking are you cooking breakfast yes I am I hear bacon is that bacon no I'm just cooking all right well whatever you're cooking did you did you want to talk about Clorox and Lysol did I lose you I think you tried to mute your phone and lost me instead let's try let's try Nana what somebody was gonna argue with me I really can't get anybody to argue with me today see somebody who looks really like a

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see somebody who looks really like a Democrat yeah I don't know who looks like a Democrat Oh Frank doesn't have a profile picture so let's try Frank now Frank Frank Frank he is not going to work either let's try this let's Benjamin Benjamin Benjamin and he goes away too so it looks like I don't know if this is a technical problem or if everybody's getting shy let's try Gaby nope and she went away hey let's try mystic mystic Deanna are you there I'm good how are you do you have a license question yes like an oversight you know I don't think he

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oversight you know I don't think he actually think that people should use that and I can't believe people take that so seriously well I'm trying to get anybody to say in public that they personally believe he said that because if you if you really mail them down say ok I know you're saying that you think other people will think he said that but what about you you know I'm trying to find somebody who will say in public yes my name is Jon I believe he said we should inject Clorox into her veins I want to see somebody say that with you

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wait I think funny you know alright yeah well thank you thanks for the call yeah thank you
I'm gonna get somebody who will argue with me I know I can do it without rebel
is it rebel rebel Abell are you there rebel
can hear me rebel so okay he joined not to ask three I know are you here because you thought the president was wondering aloud about Clorox and Lysol injections now I just think he was confusing as most of the times his words are confusing but there was definitely confusing so I can't find any but why why did he have to go into that confusion I know this is not the argument that you're asking for but you

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argument that you're asking for but you know well he's but he's he's he's told us directly I think well he said that he is sort of reflexively optimistic and he likes to put out you know potential things there could be answers so he likes the creativity of it he said that he's actually interested in the you know the science and the medical bar he has a genuine interest in the field so he talks about things he's interested in and he talks about things that could be in an optimistic world answers so he's already said that he talks about potential potential solutions even if they're not known to be solutions so it was just more of that but I think everybody agrees at this point it was a bad idea I think somehow I see similarities in to the pouchy firing that he retweeted and he said I like controversy confusion well he does because whenever whenever it's a confusing world he's the easy the person

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confusing world he's the easy the person who's got the most power because he has the biggest signal so if everybody else is confused whoever's making the most noise is gonna get the most attention alright thank you although he pronounced my name correctly okay all right so it looks like I'm not gonna find anybody to argue with me over that and
that's about all I have for today so somebody says Scott you are a shill so at love this one so you say Scott you are a shill would you be willing to come on in and discuss that so I'll give you a moment I will put you on live and you can give me your argument for why I Michelle which would necessarily require

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Michelle which would necessarily require you to make points instead of attacking me personally because you notice that every time I move the the left into a cognitive dissonance place they accuse me of being a bad faith actor rational because that's what you do when you run out of argument well a matter of argument so that guy talking must be bad so I love this let's see if you've added yourself as a potential guest it does it doesn't seem you're willing to say that to me in public huh so surprising yeah alright that's it for me I got nothing else apparently that's entertaining so I'll talk to you tonight you know where to find me on periscope I'll talk to you then