Episode 914 Scott Adams: The Best Simultaneous Sip EVER is Right Here

Date: 2020-04-15 | Duration: 51:49

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Content: Adam Townsend’s provocative Antifa question My opinion on going back to work Antibody flawed testing Withhold funding from WHO? Candace Owens not wearing mask in Whole Foods

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hey everybody come on in it's time for the simultaneous sip coffee with Scott Adams aren't you glad you here I'm glad you're here otherwise I'd be talking to myself and that's crazy if you'd like to participate in what promises to be I think I can say this with some confidence the best simultaneous sip ever it's coming up really soon and all you need to participate is a cover of Margar glasses that tanker challenger Stein the canteen trekker flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure the dopamine the hint of the day the thing that makes everything better including the pandemic it's called the simultaneous sip happens now go I was right I was right did you

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now go I was right I was right did you feel that best whatever right that's awesome nailed it all right let's talk about all the things there are many things and we should talk about them
Adam Townsend asked this provocative question on Twitter he says why isn't an tyfa the anti-fascists protesting lockdowns fascism elements and I thought to myself yeah why why is anti-fog not protesting the government telling people to do stuff like stay home and don't go to work isn't that exactly what they're supposed to be doing or more generally did somebody stop paying anti-fog because I feel like they got really quiet you know not just because of the virus but did aunt if I just go away and if

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but did aunt if I just go away and if auntie fought just went away did they take black lives matter with them have you heard of black lives matter lately have they done anything lately so it seems to be that antiphon and black lives matter just sort of disappeared didn't they did you notice they were gone they just you wake up one day and there's no antiphon you don't really notice and day goes by and there's no black lives matter and next thing you know it's you know a year is going by do you haven't heard from them I mean it's been it it feels like a year for black lives matter anti far more recently I supposed anyway it's a good question now I would like to remind you because I'm getting lots of heat from people online for what they imagine is my opinion yeah the normal thing for Twitter is that I would say 80% of all the critics I've ever had are complaining about something

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ever had are complaining about something they imagine I think or they imagined I said or they imagined I did but I didn't so with that in mind I thought I would clarify my opinion and I can see why it's confusing so on January 24th I was loudly and with much profanity saying we should close travel from China because China had closed Wuhan the day before and I I quite reasonably thought if China is gonna close Wuhan maybe we should close flights from China because whatever they're looking at we don't want that now closing flights from China there's a very small cost relative to what we're seeing now the close down of the entire economy or much of it and and to me that seemed like a completely reasonable insurance cost you know when

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reasonable insurance cost you know when you buy insurance if don't have a car accident you can't say the insurance was wasted because you buy it to manage your risk you know it's not wasted if you don't need it that's what insurance is it's just in case and so to me closing the flights from China was like an insurance model it's like it probably won't make a difference but it might and if it did make a difference it would be a big difference so I was very forcefully and early on closing flights but I think this is where people get confused correct me if I'm wrong I don't believe that I've ever offered an opinion about the lockdown or whether we should go back to work or how you know when how I mean I've I've offered suggestions of how it would look but I have not is can anybody confirm that I've not offered an opinion on

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that I've not offered an opinion on whether we're being too restrictive or not restrictive enough and what's confusing is I have criticized the the thinking or the information from people on both sides of the argument so I think people believe that if you criticize somebody's argument that you're on the other side that's not the case what's the other side why is there even an other side about a medical / economic question none of us know the right answer but we can certainly identify when somebody's thinking about it in a let's say a less useful way so I've been quite aggressive trying to correct people's way of thinking which is completely different from telling them my opinion and you know and doing that but enough time is going by and enough things have happened that I feel like I'm comfortable giving you my opinion

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I'm comfortable giving you my opinion now so this will be the first time you've heard my opinion about what we should do in terms of going back to work I'm somewhat influenced by well not somewhat I'm influenced by what we've learned so far I've been influenced by the reaction of the public which which is a big variable you know I take the the emotions the feelings the you know the you know just the energy that the public is putting in this that's those are gigantic variables but here's here's sort of what I might call the last straw that that makes it easy to have my opinion all right because I even you know last 24 hours I was thinking I don't know I think I could go firm on an opinion but waiting and then I saw this apparently Nancy Pelosi was on one of the late-night shows and she was doing a remote tour of her refrigerators in their home to show

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her refrigerators in their home to show how she was stocking up on it all for the pandemic or just for fun and she's standing in front of two sub-zero refrigerators the the total cost of her refrigerator is just just the refrigerators the two of them is more than most people earn in a year and she opens it up at its well-stocked in her mansion with ice cream and stuff and I think other people had a similar response which is our multi-million dollar leaders don't seem to have I don't think they're reading the room right you know what I mean if Nancy Pelosi is showing us how much food she has stocked in her to expensive side by side to sub-zero freezers I don't think she's reading the room right do you that feels is so out of touch with whatever is the experience of the you know the

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is the experience of the you know the working class the people were suffering this week that that was sort of like a final straw for me yeah just made it easy to have an opinion here's my opinion my opinion on this is similar to but if and from my opinion about how we should come up with abortion laws and my opinion on abortion is that men should just stay out of it because the except for the money decisions we should be involved in money and I'm not saying you shouldn't have a right to talk about it you can do whatever you want I'm just saying you get a more credible decision if whatever we come up with is what the majority of women's support because they have more skin in the game you know for all the obvious reasons so I'm not saying that men should not have a vote or you know I'm not taking away your right to talk about it or anything I'm just saying if you want the most credible set of laws whichever way they go pro-abortion against abortion the most credible is the ones that women as

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most credible is the ones that women as majority support likewise and and learning from that but it's a different situation obviously analogies are not exact but taking from that and I look at the decision to go back to work I'm pretty sure that my decision about my personal risk should be irrelevant and I and I've tried to hold that to be true because it'd be real easy for me to say you know and this is true my personal experience isn't that bad I'm literally in a mansion that I built to have everything I want I'm you know my my income pretty much is going to you know go down 75% when newspapers go out of business by the end of the year I think so I'm taking a big hint but not like somebody who lost a job yeah I'm not taking yeah like somebody who can't pay the rent I'm not in that category so

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pay the rent I'm not in that category so from a moral and ethical perspective I would not try to take my specific unique situation and say well let's let's run the country based on what's good for Scott so I've been waiting to see not only if we can learn more about you know the facts of the virus who's getting it etc how deadly is it do you know what treatments do we have and all that but also importantly I was trying to read the room and try to find out where the country is at because it doesn't matter if you think we should do something if you know the country won't do it there's no point in talking about what you should do if it's impractical it doesn't doesn't fit with the mood of the country and here's my read of the mood of the country I realize this could be off a little bit because I probably see more more traffic on social media from one type of person than another but here's here's my take on it I believe that the country as a

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on it I believe that the country as a whole but again the so far this is not my opinion I'll tell you when I get to my opinion the country's opinion as a consensus seems to be very strongly this is my my sense of it could be wrong it seems to me that the sense of the country is moving very much toward they'd rather open up go back to work even if it does cost hundreds of thousands of lives so that's my that's my read of the room is that the that the country was sort of waiting and seeing you know but at the moment and certainly the direction of things it's moving is moving very strongly this is my feel for it very strongly toward if our only choice is that people die now or later which seems to be the only choice because we don't have a vaccine we you know basically a lot of people aren't going to get this like I think the country has decided to take the risk and

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country has decided to take the risk and I'm looking at the comments you know I realized that I think the people on this periscope are not exactly a you know a random some section of the planet but I was I was very much trying to figure out if people were speaking only selfishly like I was trying to get a sense all right are you only talking about yourself that it's better for you to go back to work let's say you're young you don't have much risk or are you really thinking about what's good for the country because it's hard to sort those out
out I've come to a decision that it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if other people are thinking about their own personal situation or if other people are thinking about what's good for the country god it doesn't matter because they're both on they're both moving in the same direction of what's good for the country and what's good for the individuals is starting to look the same as in time to open up so this will be the first time you've heard my opinion

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the first time you've heard my opinion my opinion is I would like to support the consensus I'm not positive the consensus opinion is in my best interest but do i or do not do I not have the freedom to stay hiding in my house as long as I walked I do I do have the freedom to hide in my house as long as I want if if I want to manage my own risk so for the good of the country the good of the world it does seem to me we've reached a turning point I think the president senses as well you know everything he says suggests to me that he's he's got just exactly the same feeling on day one it's very hard to say hey country I think you should go out and accept I don't know a million deaths two hundred thousand whatever the number is I think you should you ask around and accept those because I might not be one of them because even though I've been a risk group I know I can hide you know

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risk group I know I can hide you know and I'll get good health care if something happens but a lot of elderly people will die and I think we've just gotten to the point where people sort of thought about it for a long time they looked at their own situation they looked at the big picture and I think people have just made a decision yeah I think people have made a decision and I also don't think it matters what the government thinks at this point because I think the the public this is my read of the room my feeling is the public has decided to go back to work the government can't stop us all right the government can pretend to be in charge and the government governors can pretend to be in charge too but ultimately it really is up to the public because if the public decided on May first hey you had your chance I'm going back to work today well there are there aren't enough police in the world to arrest them and by the way the police would probably

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by the way the police would probably just go back to work too so you know it's sort of a fantasy that the government is in charge they're in charge if we let them the government is in charge if they have credibility the government is in charge if they have more information than we do and we're like okay you know more than I do but in this situation I believe the government and the people have pretty much the same information am i right I don't believe that President Trump really has some kind of secret information that you and I don't have doesn't look like it so I think we're perfectly capable to make this decision collectively and we've decided so the question about whether the governor should be the main people making the decisions for their states versus the president I think that's obvious doesn't it is it ready what disagrees with that that the governors are closer to the situation then they should manage the specifics of their state I think we all

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specifics of their state I think we all agree with that right would anybody disagree so I think your government is doing exactly what you'd want them to do the federal government is just being helpful but they're also saying Trump says this clearly it's the governor's decision we just want to help but if they do something grotesquely wrong we're going to get involved that's about as good as you can get really you you know what's better than that describe any situation that would be better than what the president has offered to us I can't think of one it's the best one I could think of so that's where I'm at the governor's can decide but if they don't if they don't have a plan that looks like a real plan the next couple weeks the public will decide right you know the governor's give first chance but if they don't if they don't decide or it doesn't look like a real

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decide or it doesn't look like a real plan that actually gets us to work I think the public will decide so I think we're getting back to work and I think that we have decided decided as a civilization decided as a country that let me say it in the most the starkest terms you ready because I don't think we should enter a decision like this because you know this is a big it's a big expense either way you go right keep the economy closed people die open it up people die so these are these are adult decisions and I think we ought to be able to talk about them plainly and let me talk about it plainly right now it turns out that the so-called greatest generation has won more war so the people who lived through World War two probably thought they were done with big Wars but it turns out that they're right back in it and the people who will take the most

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and the people who will take the most casualties in this war is the same group who's whose age group took the most casualties in World War two so we are asking the greatest generation to take one more for the team and you could have no clearer situation I mean it's as clear as World War two you know the people who went off and fought they knew they were saving the country they knew that likewise we would be asking these people in their eighties you know part of the greatest generation to have a pretty high casualty rate and again it would be for the good of the country it's not about their individual situation we would be asking them to sacrifice for the country so here's the question do you think the greatest generation is up for it I say yes now of course every individual have their own independent opinion so they're not all yes

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they're not all yes but what what would lead us to believe that the greatest generation has changed I don't know that they have I think I think if you gave them the choice yeah you know the ones who are still you know mentally alert if you went to your you know people who live through the World War two and say look could you take another you know can you take one more war can you fight one more war for the whole country what would they say I think they'd say yes I think they'd say yes so tucker carlson last night he had a doctor slash scientist i don't know what he was some expert and he was saying that he has a strong suspicion it's not confirmed but that the virus has already spread much farther than we know now if it spread much further than

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know now if it spread much further than we know the implication was that that's good news because it would suggest that the the death rate of the virus is far smaller maybe even in the neighborhood of current regular flu but that doesn't mean it's safer than the regular flu because there are there are two elements that make the flu dangerous one is how many people die if they have it and the other is how viral is it you know how many people are getting again it yeah how quickly does it spread and if it's true that more people have it then we know that could that would suggest that the death rate is lower that's good news wait a minute no that's bad news because that's just one variable that one variable this statistic of how likely you will die if you get it is just one variable if ten times more people get it

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variable if ten times more people get it even if it's only the same amount of risk once you get it it's 10 times worse and that I think Tucker needs to make that clarification in the sense that that would be the more complete picture it feels like saying that let's let's say that this doctors right and we study it and we find out that the number of people who died from this virus pretty much similar to every other virus anybody ever got you know it's like point oh oh is that one percent what I forget what the percentage is but let's say it's the same but it's 10 times more viral or six times more viral whatever it is we don't know how viral it is but let's not say that if it's more viral and more people have it without symptoms that therefore it's not as deadly am i right about that that you have to know both all right

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that you have to know both all right we'll get we'll get to Candace I know you want to talk about Candace omens all right I think that if if we were to reopen the economy now now being in the next few weeks under some smart plan would people look back at this and say it was a mistake I know they will right but let me suggest this I think you also have to look at the closing of the economy as an insurance cost it's a gigantic insurance cost against some larger you know I guess number of deaths or whatever and I don't know that it was the wrong decision I don't know that it's the wrong decision somebody is clarifying that the expert on hunkler's shown last night was a Stanford PhD doctor / and scientists so very qualified let's say he's right it's

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very qualified let's say he's right it's still potentially dangerous so how many people what percentage of people get the regular flu in the comments so yeah somebody's helping me out with the percentage for the regular flu it's point one percent not one percent it's point one percent I believe that's right
so how many people get the flu the regular flu in a regular year if you don't know that then maybe you don't know enough to have an intelligent opinion on whether we should go back to work what do you say now you could still decide if you knew that that you want to go back to work but if you don't have that basic information you're a little bit blind about the basic data so let me give it to you in a typical year maybe well I'll give you the 2009 year 18 percent of the country got the swine flu

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percent of the country got the swine flu 18 percent most of them didn't have any bad symptoms that's why that one wasn't as bad as others could be but do we think that if we did not mitigate the corona virus do the experts say that the virality were seeing from it would only reach 18 percent of the country is anybody saying that so is anybody saying that this one seems to be no more viral than this worst-case one because 18 percent is actually worst case I think the actual percent is about 10 percent yeah so the flu infects this comes from WebMD I think the flu the regular flu gets five to twenty percent of the US population every year five to twenty percent and I saw another source that just took the middle ground and says it's about ten percent of the public gets gets it what percentage of the public are the experts predicting will

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public are the experts predicting will get the coronavirus well I've heard I've heard sixty percent right now we don't know if that's true yet but if it's true that a regular flu with a regular death rate gets let's just pick ten percent for easy math gets 10 percent of the public and then 0.1 percent of the of them them die that's one number but what happens if the percentage of the country they guess it is 60 percent that's times as many people getting it so even if the same percentage of diet died it's still six times more deaths how many people die per year from the regular flu well you I saw two numbers and they're pretty different one said 36,000 deaths per year is normal and another one said that eight to twenty thousand deaths is normal which is a lot lower than 36,000 and these both were credible sources so I don't know the difference I'm guessing

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don't know the difference I'm guessing that the difference is how they calculated last year or 2018 flu because that was really really big so the flu in 2017-2018 killed eighty thousand people compared to something in the low you know ten or twenty thousand normal and i think that the difference between these averages one average thirty-six thousand per year another one eight to twenty might be whether they counted that as a normal year or something so that they maybe they tossed out that outlier year before they calculated the average anyway the point is let's take a bit midpoint let's say twenty thousand let's say the average flu kills twenty thousand people if it's six times worse that would be hundred and twenty thousand people without without mitigation so did the models say that while the model sent them without mitigation would be more like a million so that still would be a problem with the mill with the models but would you

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the mill with the models but would you be concerned if the experts confirmed that a hundred and twenty thousand people would die if we all go back to work and don't mitigate so much would you be okay with that going back to work gift one hundred and twenty thousand people were gonna die my reading of the public is yes my my reading of the room is yet if it were only one hundred and twenty thousand people if it were six times worse than a regular flu i think the public would go back to work right I'm not even sure anybody would disagree with that statement
uh-huh but I would just like to fix the math and say that you got to figure the virality as well as the percentage that died from it all right let's see did you know that a lot of the tests for the corona virus are faulty I'm talking about the antibody test not the test to

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about the antibody test not the test to see if you have the virus but the test to see if you once said the virus and have recovered so the antibodies are after you've recovered well also while you have it but they're testing after you've recovered and so the FDA Commissioner said basically that some huge percentage of those test kits for antibodies don't work and one of the ways they don't work is they don't distinguish between the common cold and the corona virus the the bad one because they're all in a family now have you seen you've seen numbers that say that the people who have the antibodies is probably much bigger than we know meaning that more people were infected how do we know how many people have antibodies if the tests don't work or at least they're not accurate and we don't know how inaccurate they are so I would say that we're completely blind at the moment - how many people have had it and recovered and you know have the

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recovered and you know have the antibodies we just apparently the tests the tests are just guessing at this point let's see Bill Gates has said that halting the funding to the World Health Organization which is what Trump has suggested until they do do some kind of a study about what happened here so Bill Gates says that's as dangerous as it would sound but I'm not going to disagree with Bill Gates because it does sound dangerous right so Bill Gates says that's as dangerous as it sounds and I think well he's right because the World Health Organization does a lot of things that if they're doing them right or quite valuable or so people say so I don't think he's wrong that it's dangerous but here's here's the part where I think a little nuance is important do you think Trump wants to get rid of the World Health Organization because I don't see any I don't see

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because I don't see any I don't see anything like that do you do you think Trump what's the World Health Organization do disappear do you think you want somebody else to fund it and then keep operating the way they are now he doesn't want any of those things it should be fairly obvious that what Trump wants is a change of leadership and more accountability and with some assurance that they're not being influenced by China for the wrong reasons now you don't have to get rid of the World Health Organization to do that it's pretty obvious who the leaders are find out what the real story is get rid of them so I don't think that you should see Trump's withholding of funds as anything but pressure to have some accountability and management it's that's different than getting rid of the World Health Organization so I wouldn't conflate those let's talk about Candice Owens so canvas in her in the middle way knows how to be provocative better than just about anybody who wasn't named

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just about anybody who wasn't named Trump so let me start by saying I'm a huge fan of Canada silence yeah matter once very warm very friendly I love the whole thing she's doing so like generally I'm on the same page with her
but we've got this interesting situation and as I've already said I just gave you my opinion that we should probably go back to work pretty soon so Candice is on the I would say on the more slightly more extreme side of that view meaning that she thinks the virus is overblown maybe and we should get back to work sooner I think that's a review I don't want to mischaracterize it but but I think she believes the virus is overblown and maybe the shutdown was too much so she has this anecdote which she tweeted about today and I will read it so Candice tweeted Wow just had a police officer called over to me my husband a wholefoods because we were

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my husband a wholefoods because we were not wearing masks we came to this whole foods everyday in capitals every day apparently beginning yesterday is now illegal to come in without a mask total deaths and DC from covet 69 so you might imagine that I think it was like one of the top trending hashtags the the everyday thing and here's my take out of it well so Candace's reason is that there have been 69 deaths in DC now she accurately points out the 69 deaths in this big ol city is not a big amount but I tweeted back maybe wholefoods believes pandemics can get worse because the the viral part but I'm only guessing I it's

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viral part but I'm only guessing I it's driving me nuts to watch people who largely agree with me and a lot of stuff to act like the number of people who have died so far is the important metric if you're looking at the number of people who died so far I don't think you should be in the conversation now I get that you know if you were comparing it to the model it would be accurate to say or the model seems off but isn't the whole point to prevent the 69 people who died from turning into 69 thousand people who died isn't that that's sort of the point isn't alright so and then a lot of people were on ER for about the going to Whole Foods every day in with Anna masks and while I totally get the the freedom element of it so I

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the freedom element of it so I understand if if Candace wants to go to Whole Foods during a pandemic and not wear a mask a free country suggests she should be allowed to do that and if the if the if the coronavirus was as bad as the first impression then I would say Candace put a mask on get with the program but I would say you know as we've watched the estimates of deaths come down etc and if you assume it's going to be in a few hundred thousand and the country is ready for that under this condition I don't know I think I think Candace is is leaning in the correct direction of opening things up but I just don't like any reference to how many people have died in the past as the basis for your decision of what to do in the future it doesn't make sense all right I I asked a line for

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sense all right I I asked a line for people to give me to give me an opinion of what metric they would see that would convince them the experts were correct that this is so bad that we need to close the the economy so what would you have to see to convince you know Adam Townsend came up with a number of 200,000 and he had some qualifiers on there so you know you'd have to read his qualifiers to really understand the context but that's a fair number you know I I'm not even I wouldn't argue that if somebody says yeah my number is if this is all said and done and 200,000 people die I'm gonna rethink what I said and thinking maybe we should have been more careful but if you are the 200,000 died I'm gonna stay with my opinion that this was overblown and closing the economy was worse than letting those 200,000 people die so that's a that's a fair opinion but I heard it another opinion that was

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but I heard it another opinion that was so clever that I thought I would mention it so instead of counting the number of people who died because that gets into the problem if whether they're coded correctly you know did they really die from this and you know what about all the other factors and what about the people who didn't die in car accidents and the nets and all that and somebody suggested that the way to measure this is in changes in average life expectancy I thought that might actually be pretty good suppose you just managed life expectancy right because I think what that does I haven't fully thought this through but I think what it does is it somewhat unintentionally or maybe intentionally would say a lower weight on people who are 80 years old and dying right because their life expectancy is already sort of ran out but if somebody young dies that that changes the average of the life expectancy more and I thought that is a

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expectancy more and I thought that is a really clever thing to to measure so that later we could decide did we do a good thing or a bad thing am i right and it's not the only thing you would measure but wouldn't you like to know a year from now did the average life expectancy in the United States go up or down this year I kind of like to know that it's a very clever way to look at it I don't know why I'd never thought of it but it does seem like you know you also want to count the number of people you also want to look at your percentages by the average life expectancy totally worth tracking that was a good idea all right so a OC is according to the woman who had Tara Reid the woman who accused Joe Biden of me to ignore her back in the 90s she quoted she's had tweeted that Alexandria AOC is literally the first member of Congress to address publicly what happened to her

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to address publicly what happened to her when she worked for Biden and she thanked her and and so I looked and sure enough AOC loved her hate her I know you get worked up whenever I met your name love her or hate her she is the only Democrat who decided to be consistent
kinda tells me she's gonna run for national office doesn't it you can already see the hints of it where that a or C is taking a principled consistent stand that women need to be believed now you could say that's right or wrong you could make a good argument well you can't really make an argument that women shouldn't be believed but who else was consistent right is it not fair to at least give her credit for being consistent I think that's worth

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consistent I think that's worth something in public she's the only one who was brave enough to just come out and say you know Biden's got a problem there we should listen to her I give her credit all right while I while I agree we should probably get back to work in some smart but quick way and while I've told you I'm in a high-risk group because I'm over 60 I've got asthma I would like this additional option as a consideration to me and people in my situation so I'll just ask for this and I don't expect to get it I think it's fair for me to ask for this so while I would like the you know the 20-somethings under thirtysomethings who don't have a big risk to go back to work and they understand that that puts people like me a greater risk because there'd be greater spreading there's one

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there'd be greater spreading there's one thing I'd ask so in order for me to be okay and I'm gonna be full-throated okay with the younger people who have low risk going back to work even though it puts me a higher risk I'm I'm not even going to qualify it I'm okay with it but I just ask one thing in return I'd like to have doctor assisted suicide as an option because I don't want to experience the last two days of drowning in my own lung juice that's all I want now if it's not the last two days you know where where it's pretty clear you're on the ventilator and you're not gonna make it whatever if it's not that I'm not gonna kill myself or have assisted suicide and now California allows you to have assisted suicide under the right conditions and you know if it's if it's definitely terminal and you've got the doctor signing off and stuff and that's all great I was actually active in that movement to get that to become the law in

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to get that to become the law in California many of you don't know that but I was one of the things I I used my persuasion for publicly but it's not set up to be efficient so in other words I can't just be in the hospital and say look before you put me on the ventilator here's the deal if it looks like I've got less than 48 hours and I'm in a coma can you just kill me you know don't I suppose maybe maybe if you're unconscious and your lungs stop you don't notice well maybe I don't need assistants ooh aside if I could just be unconscious when I die I guess I need an expert to tell me that but that's all I ask
ask all I ask in return is that it not be painful that's all you know if I gotta go I gotta go if it's time it's time I'll do what I need to do I'll take that hit for the country I just told it to her that's all I ask in return

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have you noticed today that there's a spate and absolutely spate I tell you if I ever use that word before a spate well there's a spate of stories about maybe hydroxychloroquine and its little brother chloroquine maybe is dangerous and maybe doesn't work have you noticed that there's a whole bunch of anecdotal and there's this little study but it's not too it's not too rigorous have you noticed that it was just less 48 hours a whole bunch of different stories well this hydroxychloroquine doesn't seem to be working it looks like he killed people took people off it killed have you noticed that do you believe it's real do you believe it's it's just a genuine coincidence that there are a bunch of stories there used to be a hundred percent positive and then the last 48 hours the stories have really turned to more negative now you might say to

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more negative now you might say to yourself well that's because they've done more studies and now we're smarter but I did see online where somebody who was criticizing a couple of studies that came out with some negative results and pointed out really obvious flaws they weren't a scientific studies at all so here's here's my caution to you you should expect the very bad people who are trying to dis inform on the question of hydroxychloroquine now some of it might be that it's being confused with chloroquine which does have I think more side-effects and less effectiveness so so make sure that you're looking at that hydroxy version not that chloroquine that's the first thing they they try to conflate them to make them sound like they're both bad secondly look at the amount they're giving and they're giving it to people in the last throes of life so that's a that's a different calculation than giving it to somebody early and they may have they may not

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early and they may have they may not another dose they might just give too much so that's possibility so I would suspect that foreign disinformation could be part of this you could have Chinese box and Chinese Studies and stuff to give you some doubt about this you can imagine that a pharmaceutical company that thinks it might have its own right answer that's a different drug that they could make billions of dollars on they might have a troll or two on the internet if you know what I mean so I don't know if you could trust the negative stories coming out about hydroxychloroquine but let me say as clearly as possible you also cannot trust the positive stories the ones that say it worked because that's it's not quite proven so I would say at this point it's a big question all right where there is more

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question all right where there is more people taking it yeah and the thing that I'm saying that is the big red flag for this being misinformation is that we're getting reports that people are having heart failure on the drug now at least these drugs have been around a long time do you think that only people who have coronavirus are having heart problems because yeah somebody in the comments is saying if you have a heart condition that you need to take REM disappear and I would think that everyone who is you know elderly and on a ventilator or dear it probably has a heart condition so you know but it's still important if it's killing them more successful if you take it earlier we don't know that that that's the speculation that has not been demonstrated but the certainly the

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anecdotally that seems to be the case you search so that you could have a talking point to persuade it persuade us only heard it from you that what you're talking about
that's why we reserved opinions well you know the doctors who said we know this drug doesn't have many side effects at least if you not you know in the last two days of your life it doesn't have side effects so it's just a good risk reward to give it a try based on the anecdotal evidence so there's nothing wrong with that
what's take you so long to know exactly exactly why is this taking so long because it seems to be there are a number of tests or a number of yeah trials I feel like there are a number of trials that have gone longer than 10 days and don't you know in 10 days I mean you'd know more in 15 days but don't you know in 10 days I don't know

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don't you know in 10 days I don't know do i periscope on my phone or computer right now I'm periscoping on an iPad and I'm gonna start doing some some special content on my phone but when I'm mostly when I'm moving around so I'll be producing some extra content of my phone you said you would insist on it if you were infected no my position hasn't changed because I'm not 80 I don't have a heart problem and I don't know that it works but the the risk reward is worth a shot please look up a newt Witkowski I probably won't do that but you could send me a link the slaughter meter where's the slaughter meter have you have you seen the have you seen Joe Biden how could president Trump lose to

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Biden how could president Trump lose to Joe Biden unless something new happens between now and between now and Election Day how could Joe Biden possibly win the election I suppose if he really liked whoever he picks for vice president but I wouldn't count on it how many are taking it and die without a doctor's approval I do wonder about that I can't try to make some kind of a comedy routine about who the World Health Organization and President Xi I know you could make it Abbott and Costello out of that eggs was cured by hydroxy and other trash we don't know that first of all I think they used chloroquine not hydroxychloroquine but fact check that secondly we don't know that

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secondly we don't know that Rita Wilson's we don't know that all of her symptoms were the side effects that could have had the symptoms from the the corona virus itself Boris Johnson apparently did not take chloroquine so I don't know if that's public okay I heard that privately so maybe I'm breaking news I think I'm breaking news but I heard from somebody who has some connection to Boris Johnson that he did not take the hydroxychloroquine because it was not it was not nationally recommended and he didn't want to be the one who went against the National recommendations now I don't have a second source of that but I'm telling you that I learned it privately that Boris Johnson did not take those drugs so I would say that needs a fact check but I heard it from a

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needs a fact check but I heard it from a reliable source all right that's all I got for now I will talk to you tonight you know and see that