Episode 873 Scott Adams: Coffee Now. Stat.
Date: 2020-03-26 | Duration: 43:04
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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Content: Coronavirus, medical professionals and TrumpPills #TrumpPills = less ventilators needed What/where are the raw materials needed for TrumpPills? Where are those raw materials currently going?
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Alexa turn on studio hey there I am a little sideways let’s see if I can fix that hey much better if you don’t mind I’m a little bit behind so while you’re streaming in the air while you’re streaming in here let me print out my notes if you don’t mind only be a minute bear with me talk among yourselves alright while we’re waiting for those to print we’ve got something else to do it’s called the simultaneous sent yesterday and all you need is a cup or a mug or a glass of tanker Challenger Stein the canteen Jagger flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the dopamine at the day the is the apparel what pleasure the thing that makes everything better including the pandemic it’s called the simultaneous hip it’s medicinal go let’s fix that lighting let’s fix
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go let’s fix that lighting let’s fix this lighting fix that and grab my notes this is the part of the show that you don’t see that’s because I’m usually a little more organist now for those of you who have been joining me in the morning and even in the evening two hours a day of live programming you’re probably saying to yourself gosh Scott you must be pretty busy producing two hours of live entertainment every day plus a comic strip and the answer is you have no idea how busy I am let me tell you this there’s a a public situation going on with everything that’s going on with the coronavirus in the world and then there’s your private situation you know the things that you’re all doing in your
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the things that you’re all doing in your homes to stay safe but there’s a whole other world out there of stuff that’s happening that you know in some cases you’ll find out about a little bit later but oh my god the I don’t know the the things I’ve learned in the things I’ve been involved with in the last few days I’ll never really be able to talk about them but the world is a is a magical place the world is a magical place that’s all I could tell you all right let’s start out by if anybody’s new here this is not bragging all right this is just so the new people the people who have been with me for a while know that I always talked about which predictions I got right and which ones I got wrong because you need to know should you believe my predictions should you not should you put a percentage of likelihood on them and the same with everybody else so everybody should be checking the predictions especially with
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checking the predictions especially with this Cove in nineteen we all made a lot of predictions and you need to every now and then just stop back and say okay who is getting it mostly right and who wasn’t because that should tell you a little bit about the odds of who’s gonna get it right the next time alright so that’s that’s the purpose of talking about the predictions it’s not bragging by itself although it has that benefit number one who told you to close the airports and flights from China probably I’m the first person you heard say that and I said that before I even do it was a thing I didn’t even know you couldn’t close here part I mean physically you can of course but I didn’t actually think it was even in the top ten possibilities when I first started screaming about it and and using profanity on periscope saying close the airports and then we did some people told you the hospitals would not be crashed because it’s just the flu I told
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crashed because it’s just the flu I told you that they would I’ll see were already seeing the hospital left her hospital right on the edge so I would say all the people who said yes this will be a problem for the healthcare system were right all the people who said it’s just like the flu if the flu doesn’t overrun our hospitals why won’t those all of those people I think at this point we can say we’re completely wrong and there’s a fairly dangerous way not fairly they were wrong in an extraordinarily dangerous way because if we not pay attention to it we would not have flexed up as soon as we did could always do it sooner who told you that the supply supply chains would be crushed and that that might be the bigger problem Mike cirrage I don’t remember where I was in terms of at what point I started to agree with him but he’s the first person who sounded the alarm and a lot of people watching this who have to be thankful
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watching this who have to be thankful they got their toilet paper right because they were listening to Mike Mike has a very long track record of being not just right but being able to look around corners I mean he’s not just write about what straight ad he’s write about what straight ahead and around the corner and down the alley I mean if you’re not following him you just it’s just crazy at this point who told you that masks do work even when the experts were telling you they did not well I’m one of them you know Duvall was saying it probably lots of people I don’t mean to be you know mentioning everybody who said it but everybody who said that they don’t work they were wrong right and now all the studies are coming out we can see oh yeah I totally works not only do masks work but you’d be better off with a bandana over your face than than not at all so all the people who said of course they work how could they not work you know you could argue about the efficiency and stuff but it
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about the efficiency and stuff but it works a little I mean if if your cough is what’s causing people to get sick how would how in any world does suppressing the thing that goes out and makes people sick how could that make it not it just didn’t make any sense from the start so all the people who said mass don’t work you should never listen to them again who’s the first person who said to you the meds work but we probably have a shortage problem and that’s why you’re not hearing so much about them in the in the entire world of all the people talking about kovat 19 little bet a lot of them who was the first person who told you I wasn’t the first person to say the meds could be good I am the first person who told you the meds are good and you’re being lied to to to control the control hoarding right now that’s just the fact we don’t have to wonder about that anymore the so the different states Nevada and I think New
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different states Nevada and I think New York City if not the state I forget but they’re already putting controls on the drug for hoarding and India which makes a lot of it as closed export and it looks like the pill is the game the pill is the game somebody was saying that we should have planned better to have more ventilators and if we’d started earlier we you know we’d be ahead of the game but ventilators are largely the thing you do because you didn’t have the pills at least you didn’t have them in the people in time if you had enough pills and you gave them to people as soon as they presented symptoms the number of them that would ever need a ventilator is small based on based on what we’ve seen so far so there’s that all right who told you that even though it seemed unlikely there very quickly because of the six degrees of separation thing you would start to know people or have some connection to a lot of people who are
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connection to a lot of people who are getting it have you noticed that already I think there’s 60,000 people and in a country of 350 million who allegedly have been exposed how many do you know all right I I already know 1 2 3 4 5 I think I know 5 people who have it or probably have it at this point and that’s not even counting the celebrities I know the news today is a Kathy Griffin is in the hospital was was something pretty nasty and at least based on the symptoms it could be this but she can’t get a test that’s right Kathy Griffin can’t get a test I mean in a timely manner she can get it eventually so she’s done I don’t think she’s being treated and she could die right in front of us I mean it could happen if she’s not getting the the treatment so I mean that would just be the worst thing in the world so we’re seeing the six
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the world so we’re seeing the six degrees of separation coming true as I told you who told you it was the first person who told you that when we go back to work it’ll be a phased approach based on statistics for different people with different risks probably me right now after the government says that’s what they’re gonna do you say to yourself oh yeah it’s kind of obvious in retrospect you wouldn’t just send everybody back with different risk profiles you’d you’d segregate them so who told you that first that was me who told you that who’s been hammering on the importance of decoupling from China quite a few people you know I’m not like the person who started it but among your world where did you hear a loudest and most where did you hear the word decouple the most probably for me from earliest and loudest among people you probably follow yo Kyle passes louder Gordon Chang is louder but you’re it’s more likely you follow me than them so I
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more likely you follow me than them so I I would say that the world has come around - oh yeah decoupling there’s not crazy cartoonish yelling about stuff decoupling is what you absolutely have to do there’s no question about it all right who told you the human ingenuity during this crisis would be mind boggling and that it would be the biggest variable that can’t be predicted that was me know again if if it sounds like I’m saying I’m the only person in the world who thought that was happening nothing like that’s happening I assume that for every opinion I had there were a million people or more about the same appellant opinion but you might not have been following them you might not have heard them they might they might not have a platform like this so I’m not magic I’m just telling you that if you’re following people who made all the wrong predictions maybe rethink that here are some human ingenuity things just just a little sample of it Dyson the company that makes the vacuum cleaners and other things hand dryers and stuff they designed and built an
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and stuff they designed and built an entirely new ventilator called the co event in ten days Dyson you know Dyson the founder is you know sort of a genius inventor and their company is well designed for prototyping and rapidly building stuff that’s what they do in ten days they designed and built their own ventilator now you’ve seen a bunch of stories about somebody made one for like a hundred bucks you know from parts and somebody else showed you how you could do it with this part in that part so the human ingenuity that’s going into just the ventilators is just incredible you know just that one little area and then you look at the creativity and ingenuity that’s going into making masks and sourcing them it’s incredible it’s just incredible and you know we’re gonna get we’re gonna learn so much about this learn about how to work with each other learn how to make new stuff learn how to do things at a crisis our our human learning is off the charts you
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our human learning is off the charts you know the number of people across pollinating the experts who had to talk to each other it’s really incredible who told you that it’s more likely where at least some of us will go back to week in weeks not months that was me I think it’s gonna be somewhere in between weeks and months but I was telling you it would be on the lower end largely because I had some optimism about the pills which we do not have in quantity yet I also am predicting that the covery will be fast once it starts so that way you can wait for about that one will be right and here’s my I if I if I can say so the my I think my most precise prediction was that I said two days ago that you should see in the next 48 hours which is the last two days the death rate in New York start to start to level off and maybe drop and start turning back
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maybe drop and start turning back towards zero and the hypothesis was that they now had enough of the of the the Trump bills the hydroxychloroquine etc then it would start making a difference in their death rate and I think I need to I need this to confirmed but I feel as though the death rate was going up up up and that actually in the last two days it just the the rate of increase just fell off sharply so I believe it’s still going up but there but the slope just bent that’s exactly what I told you would happen within a 48-hour period based on the specific reason the the meds coming in and it looks like it happened now I need a I need a fact check on that cuz easily today it could be opposite you know you have to watch every day on these things but I think I’m right about that so that’s a good sign so yesterday you know I always talked about the simulation winking at me and there there’s one TV show called
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me and there there’s one TV show called modern modern family there whenever I turned that on I swear to god it looks like they looked at my life and then they wrote a script about all the little things that were bugging me and they put it in the show the Curb Your Enthusiasm does the same thing now that’s not what’s happening it’s just that the writers are good at finding those little parts of life that people don’t talk about but we’re all feeling so great writing is what’s really behind it but I turned on the TV last night to try to forget about the covet virus thing I spent all day on you know between the times that you see me publicly you’re doing this I’m working all day I mean I’m working hard I trying to connect people who figure stuff you know advice people move things along there’s just a ton happening under the under the hood that you’ll never know about but it’s there’s a lot of energy happening when you’re not watching but I wanted to get that out of my mind before bed so I just randomly picked how I
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bed so I just randomly picked how I would record it it was a modern family episode from I don’t know weeks ago well before this well before the crisis and it turned on there’s a scene there with one of the characters saying that somebody had done something to deny malaria pills to doctors so now now doctors wouldn’t have enough malaria pills and I’m looking at this and I’m thinking did I just spend my entire day worried about doctors not having access to malaria pills and then I turned on the only TV show I turned on it wasn’t like I watched TV all day except for the news I watched it all day but it’s the only entertainment I had that day and I turned it on and the characters is making fun of somebody who did something which would have some effect on the supply of malaria pills to doctors and I’m thinking now of course I know it’s a coincidence you know I’m not I’m not saying it’s magic but what a mind boggler that was the speaking of
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boggler that was the speaking of innovation I keep hearing story after story about the technology for rapidly testing for the virus is improving in a whole bunch of places so now you have the the home test which it was probably being limited by the FDA still I think so you got the home test you’ve got the one in the office that you can get a result in 45 minutes somebody else is working on one that gives you something in half an hour South Korea is now has in the field a phone booth sized testing device that you walk in there and get tested now this is just me but if you said hey we’ve got this phone booth size thing go in there and you can get administer the test the first thing I’m going to say to myself is you mean the phone booth size thing that every infected person in Seoul has just walked into to get tested that’s the tiny little space that you would like to me to go into next to get tested no thank you no thank you
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tested no thank you no thank you maybe I’ll test at home but I’m sure the South Koreans have figured that out so I doubt there’s a real risk but psychologically I would not go in a phone booth immediately after somebody who was also testing to see if they had a deadly disease that’s just me here’s a question I asked I said if following FDA guidelines in the context here is giving people the the hash tag Trump pills for if you knew that’s the hydroxychloroquine so if doctor gives somebody the pills and the FDA says don’t do that now the FDA is now saying it’s unsafe the FDA is putting a a gating factor on it obviously because of the shortage so you should not look at the FDA in this context as being dumb old dumb old you know bureaucrats who just can’t get into the way it looks like the FDA is intentionally slowing it
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like the FDA is intentionally slowing it down by saying that you know we asked to be used in a hospital clinical setting obviously that’s because of shortage because those are the critical places so let’s say the FDA says doctor you know you regular doctor and your regular practice you should not the according that you have to be FDA you cannot prescribe this drug to somebody who just has symptoms but has not been tested what does the doctor do in that situation well of course the doctor oath is do no harm you can’t harm somebody so you’re a doctor and you in your hand you’re holding this is figurative you know they would have to write a prescription for it but let’s say you lived in a town where they’re not out of it yet there’s some towns where they’re not out of it your doctor you’ve got this pill in your hand and you are almost positive that it’s the right thing to do because the side effects are minimal the risk is gigantic the cost of the drug is 20
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gigantic the cost of the drug is 20 bucks of course you’re going to give it patient of course and in fact every doctor who actually has access the drug is doing just that so basically 100% of doctors in my opinion can’t verify this but in my opinion 100% of doctors are prescribing the drug to people who just have symptoms and no test even though the FDA is saying don’t do that now here’s my question suppose the FDA came later and said hey you know you violated a guideline we’re gonna yank your medical license I don’t know who knows if that’s even a thing I don’t know how the process works but let’s say it is the thing what defense would the doctor have well two defenses one defense and apparently this has been used in other contexts before is that it’s a necessity so you can do something that’s against the law if it’s also a necessity to save someone’s life or attempt to save someone’s life so as
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attempt to save someone’s life so as long as it’s a necessity and your intentions are cleaned and they’re the reason the use is clean and at least everything about what you’re doing is clean nobody’s doubting why you’re doing it or what you’re doing it you can break the law if you’re saving life you know it’s some dumb law that didn’t anticipate this situation sort of thing so you got that defense but I would say the greater defense doesn’t need a court the greater defense is I’m a doctor there should be a complete defense because the doctors we and trust to make hard decisions that are risky for the patient but also risky for the doctor right if a doctor makes the mistake that’s now free so the doctors got a lot of skin in the game a lot of skin in the game that’s who you want you want somebody who’s got a lot of risk with you same the same kind of risk in the same domain and here’s my defense for any doctor who prescribes it against FDA deadlines do no harm do no harm if you
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deadlines do no harm do no harm if you know that not giving it to somebody is going to cause them harm or probably you sort of have to do it so I would say that the ethical requirements of being a doctor are very clear of the situation and in fact that’s why doctors are actively acting that way as you would hope all right I’ve said before and I’ll say it again I keep hearing people say people are prescribing it to their family members and describe and medical professionals are effectively hoarding it for themselves now I wouldn’t want them to over horde but nonetheless it is true that the medical professionals are the most important people because if they stay healthy there’s a multiplier effect if the people that they can help but I would argue that their families cannot be separated from that equation you can’t expect your doctor to go to work and you know work is 18 hour day if he thinks his wife is dying back at the house because she doesn’t have a prescription and and you could just
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prescription and and you could just easily write that prescription and save your spouse’s life it’s it’s just it’s just not reasonable to separate the the professionals who can have the meds from their spouses and the media families and say well they can’t if you want those if you want the medical professionals to be effective you got to treat that as a team unfortunately I mean maybe you don’t want that to be true but I think it’s the smartest thing to do statistically likewise we just heard that a member of the squad I Anna Presley apparently she’s she’s also got some symptoms yeah they’re in Massachusetts and just can’t get a test so like everybody else she has to wait for a test while she has symptoms this will be unpopular with you but I think she should go to the front of the line I think Congress you know first responders
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think Congress you know first responders Congress medical professionals their families I do think they need to be top priority because again it’s a leverage thing yeah yeah you don’t like Diana Presley’s politics I get that I get that but you need the Congress at least to you know be on the ball so I think Congress should go to the front of the line you know as a citizen I would support that you even have my own risk I think that’s the better better choice let’s see what else we got here so I tweeted if anybody knows this I’m looking for somebody in the state of Texas so an actual Texan who lives there not now somebody who knows one but I want to hear from an actual Texans have this experience so they’ve had symptoms of the corona virus and the doctor prescribed the Trump pills the hydroxychloroquine but the pharmacy wouldn’t give it to him so we’re looking
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wouldn’t give it to him so we’re looking we’re looking for a test case so give me a test case of a Texan who had corona virus symptoms went to a doctor the doctor prescribed the meds but the pharmacy wouldn’t give it to him because of FDA rules if you can give me an example of a person we will break the system it will help right a follower on Twitter said that said the following growing up in Nigeria I can’t count the number of times I took chloroquine which is a you know a slightly weaker version of the hydroxychloroquine because if he had a fever that’s what the doctor gave only if he didn’t recover did he get tested for anything so in Nigeria they were just hand about like M&Ms if you had a fever and if it didn’t work well maybe we’ll look into it and the United States who are doing it backwards you have to have a test or we can’t give you the trunks now of course the reason is that that requirement is to slow down
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that that requirement is to slow down unfortunately it’s a slowdown of the access to the drug obviously because of the shortage I saw a picture of the legislators in Congress working to try to pass the relief bill which is maybe some of the worst work that Congress has ever done in the history of Congress and I’m counting both Republicans and Democrats because a you know if collectively if they produce a bad product as they did you can’t give any of them a pass you know they work together and they they succeed together and they fail together and they failed together this time now psychologically maybe it didn’t matter too much what the details were psychologically the economy needed this stimulus and needed it fast so it probably is more important that action happened than the details of the action so we probably ended up in the best of the bad choices the best choice was to do it quickly and and smartly well we
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do it quickly and and smartly well we didn’t give smartly that wasn’t an option apparently our Congress can’t give us smartly but they did give us mmm kinda quick you know took a week longer than it should but you know things take long times sometimes so I think it was a horrible job and they all gave failing grades and they should all lose their jobs but action was better than no actions so I think the markets responded and it’ll end up positive even though it’s a complete abomination but here’s the thing somebody showed some pictures on Twitter of the the legislators all standing too close together and I thought to myself my god really Congress is today like last night they’re still bunching up in little groups when some of them are actually testing positive already and it’s emergency and we need them at their best there was no way they could solve that it felt like Joe Biden not being able to figure out how to use this phone to
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figure out how to use this phone to livestream it didn’t feel like that you it felt like we’re watching a whole bunch of incompetent bumbling people who couldn’t get the most basic basic element of life and 2020 right which is stay the hell away from the other person’s really you couldn’t get that right I mean your your confidence in them has to drop when you see that now I get there’s an emergency and they you know they probably felt like they needed to be in the same room but at least don’t let any cameras in there at the very least don’t let somebody take a picture of it you know how are we supposed to feel confident because that’s important yeah feel confident in your leadership during a crisis now in the world do you feel confident about that when you watch these idiots doing exactly what everyone says they shouldn’t do alright I think that the entire game just came down to from pills and hydroxychloroquine if
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from pills and hydroxychloroquine if you’re talking about the number of ventilators it’s because we don’t have enough of the pills if we add the pills at least anecdotally all of the information suggests that the number of ventilators you need would would plunge like a lot so do we have a ventilator shortage in on some nominal sense yes but we wouldn’t have a shortage if we also have the pills so here’s my question I said to myself who makes these pills so we we’ve got at least one maybe two companies in the United States who quote make the pills alright one of them is is it Novartis I forget what it is so probably didn’t write that down so there’s a company that’s making the pills and I was just reading up on them and they said that they’ve got enough they’ve got enough raw materials or suppliers or whatever it is to make the pills so they’re gonna they’re gonna press up 50
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they’re gonna they’re gonna press up 50 million pills or whatever it is and get them out there in middle of April so we’re probably a couple weeks away from at least one big producer of producing them at scale and so I go to Wikipedia in a and I thought okay but what happens when they run out of that raw material of Milan yes thank you Milan is the name of the company that I was trying to remember I think Novartis is doing something else similar I don’t know I saw Novartis on something like tweeted so what happens when my land or whoever else is making them domestically what happens when they run out of the raw material and what is it well wasn’t main that what is what is the stuff you mix together to make these pills is it a plant a mineral oil what the hell is it can somebody can somebody just tweet that that’d be so so here’s what I’m getting in should we be planting the whole bunch
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in should we be planting the whole bunch of some kind of plant should we be making our heavy equipment go dig something out of the ground where the hell does it come from and why don’t we know that isn’t somebody says viagra is a good substitute well I doubt that’s true medically but it would take your mind off of things you got that you got that going for you somebody’s confirming that Novartis 2 is in that business now why don’t why can’t I easily find that I I spent only you know 60 seconds googling it but it should have done the top thing that came out shouldn’t the story be there’s a drug called this it does these things is made by these companies and they use the raw material X what is the raw material what is it can anybody answer that question well why how are we at this point when we don’t even know what the raw material is somebody says quinine what the hell
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is somebody says quinine what the hell is that that’s not an answer to my question where does quinine come from you know is there a lake of quinine somewhere do you mine it this is a competitive a plant I don’t somebody says it’s synthetic but what’s that mean anything synthetic is still made out of stuff what’s the stuff somebody says hydrogen oxygen and chlorine is that true you sound like you know what you’re talking about yes it’s important that we have sourcing that is not controlled by other countries somebody says I’m looking at your comments and you know I assume that most of them are wrong somebody says it’s some kind of tree bark Oh actually several people are saying it’s from tree bark okay question number two what kind of trees where do they grow because you can’t really quickly grow some tree bark Kenya
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really quickly grow some tree bark Kenya or can you clone it could you clone tree bark that make sense can you clone tree bark I don’t know somebody says it’s the bark from the cinchona tree well suppose that’s right suppose it’s the bark from the cinchona tree where do they grow I don’t know that’s right by the way it’s just something I’m reading in the comments so let’s say Google that oh it does look correct it’s a genius of flowering plants so cinchona is a plant and what is it used for where do cinchona and then somebody else says is a tree it’s native to the Andes and grown in South America Indonesia and Congo the dried bark of the trees is a source of quinine and other medicinal products so so to
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and other medicinal products so so to all the quinine chloroquine hydroxychloroquine do they all come out at the same tree bark cinchona trees all right so this gets me to my next point so the source of these are the Andes and grown in South America I don’t know specifically what country but I’m going to ask a very adult question right now are you ready this is an adult question children are just going to get mad so children you should just sign out them here’s an adult question what is the military capability of the countries that are growing these trees see where I’m going now that I believe these countries are friendly sufficiently friendly with the United States that they wouldn’t try to hurt us but they do have the supply that the entire world needs China’s probably willing to pay for it other countries are willing to pay for
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other countries are willing to pay for that bark it’s in our backyard if if you imagine that all of the Americas are our backyard if our military I’m just gonna say it directly if our military needs to secure the supply for for this hemisphere including South America if we went down and stole stole the supplies from South America to use in North America we should all be shot maybe for that that would be like a crime against humanity of the highest degree but if there’s enough of it in the Americas and any of that stuff is going to another country outside of the Americas that’s isn’t that a military question should our Marines actually be assembling off the shore of a friendly allied country just to make sure that they’re not shipping this drug outside of the Americas right somebody says stop stop do not suggest military action it’s
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stop do not suggest military action it’s an adult question I’m not saying what we should do what I’m saying is it’s a military issue if we’re looking at millions of death in this hemisphere because that supply that has grown in this hemisphere is being shipped to another hemisphere isn’t that a homeland security problem isn’t that a military problem now of course of course the first you know the first stage of this is you contact the suppliers you if it’s Peru or whoever it is and you say hey Peru can we keep this in the Americas and Peru says absolutely we’re not going to send this outside of you know North America South America don’t need to don’t want to plenty of demand so the first choice is you work productively with allies and there should be no military anything right but how much do you think another country and another in another part of the world would be willing to pay to get that
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would be willing to pay to get that supply and taken away from the Americas how much would they be willing to pay for that a lot right so the the price that some Peruvian company could charge for a truckload of this tree bark it just went through the roof so could we guarantee that the people who run the factories even if the governments are friendly to us even if the government say yes even if the government say oh yeah we would never ship this out of the country but what about the factory the farmer whoever’s whoever is stripping the trees can you trust that guy because he’s gonna get some big offers from places and in other parts of the country well here’s my thing can you trust the Peruvian army and here I’m just using Peru as a stand-in country it’s nothing about Peru it’s just wherever they’re growing this this supply can you trust the proven Peruvian military to not take a bribe nope no no in South America you cannot trust anybody really not to take a bribe
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trust anybody really not to take a bribe so if China says hey you know if you ship us a few trucks of that tree bark you know we’ll we’ll grease your pockets politicians and Peru you know military leaders in Peru well what’s gonna happen well if South America is South America and hasn’t changed lately people take bribes so if you’re in America and it might be a million lives on the line and the only thing that could protect you is that a South American you could trust do not take a bribe is that the risk you want to take I’m just saying if we’re not already assembling troops to at least be in the general vicinity of where that tree bark is and again I might be I’m like completely wrong about that being the only source maybe there’s so much of this tree everywhere that we don’t need any of this so you know I have to be wildly fact checked to make sure any of this makes any sense so don’t take any of it too seriously I’m only going to put out one point that I
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only going to put out one point that I will die on so here’s the hill I’m gonna die on if we have sources the raw material sources for this Trump pills and we’re not at least putting a military presence around them no matter who controls them if it’s in our domain you know our our sphere of influence even though it’s not our country it’s a military thing isn’t it am I wrong that the adult thing to do would say well I can’t rely on a Peruvian not to take a bribe so let’s make sure we get that tree bark are away all right somebody says calcium phosphate is also in it I assume that’s a mining problem right so there might be a little tree bark there might be some something that needs to be mined about from where mules are switching from coke to quinine yeah that
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switching from coke to quinine yeah that may be Scott acts as if our government has our best interests in mind they don’t well you know during the crisis most of them do but you’re right there gonna be a lot of partisans who are just going to improve their situation it says trees are not needed for the synthetic stuff okay so that would be an important thing to fact-check so somebody’s saying you don’t need the tree if you’re doing is synthetically but this is a synthetic one work is it exactly the same is there any base chemicals that were short of to make it synthetically because that’s made of something too just because of synthetic doesn’t mean you don’t need base materials oh now somebody’s saying it doesn’t come from trees somebody says they think you can synthesize it alright so the question then goes to if you can synthesize it and of what and is the thing you synthesized from it also in short demand
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synthesized from it also in short demand do we have it in our hemisphere can we protect it militarily so my only point is military needs to protect and protect our sources all right and somebody says I’m barking up the wrong tree not bad not bad yeah other people seems our weighing in a lot of people are saying you don’t need trees there’s you can synthesize it I don’t know what that means I’m not a chemist so I need to know more about what you’re synthesizing it from somebody who seems smart and says chloroquine is not a derivative of quinine so maybe all this is just wrong so let me not believe anything I see in the the comments so I’m only making a general statement so erase in your mind anything I said about Peru and anything I said about tree bark those are not
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I said about tree bark those are not important to the point the point is that there may be a shortage there may be some base materials and if we’re not protecting them militarily we should that’s all so whether it’s synthesized or to mark the same same point all right that’s what I’ve got for now I need to get back to work we’ve got a world to save I think we’re I think we’re on the right track now let’s get it saved and I will talk to you later