Episode 867 Scott Adams: Sip the Morning Away and Get a Great Start

Date: 2020-03-23 | Duration: 1:19:26

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Special guest: Aris Lavranos MD, answers key coronavirus questions A message to our leaders in the Senate and the House Chuck Schumer is not worthy of the public’s sacrifice The National COVID-19 Medical Equipment Clearinghouse Go to ProjectN95.com

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[Applause] one pom pom pom pom hey everybody come on in it's time right now for coffee with Scott Adams yeah yeah it's gonna be a good one what are the best I predict I've got a special guest who's on my audio line waiting to answer some medical questions dr. Aris Livanos MD offered to help us with some of the the medical questions and I've got him on hold doctors say hi hi everyone all right thank you I'm taking my microphone away I'll have to aim my microphone in your way if I ask you another question all right everybody you know it's next I know you do it's this it's a simultaneous sip yeah aren't you lucky I know you are and all you need is a copper Margaret glass of tanker challenger's time I can't teach yoga philosophy a vessel of any kind of

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philosophy a vessel of any kind of feeling with your favorite looks like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure the dopamine hit of the day the thing that makes every pandemic go away eventually it's called the simultaneous it and it happens now oh good good stuff all right well I've got the the doctor here and we don't get too many chances to ask these questions I'm going to ask some questions and if the sound is bad well we'll deal with that doctor is lavro knows the best way to pronounce it well I'm sure I'm sure I'll get it wrong next time so here's top of the list of questions number one everything we've seen about the Hydra hydroxychloroquine looks promising but it's all anecdotal here's the question I asked you have you even

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the question I asked you have you even heard of any anecdotal stories that go the other way in other words every anecdotal story we hear is positive but again that's now scientifically valid have you heard anything even you know on the grapevine or personally where there was somebody who didn't have an underlying condition they got the hydroxychloroquine in time and then it still went bad so I can't speak about the hydroxychloroquine for coronavirus specifically but in terms of sort of the generic process of medications being used for conditions hopefully that they're working and they end up not working unfortunately we have lots of examples of things like that a great example would be steroids for sport injuries it used to be the mainstay of therapy and then found out that was actually probably doing more harm than benefit took many months for years before we realize that um so that's one example another example would be recently a treat the patient with Bell's palsy and went through the whole address

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palsy and went through the whole address with the patient we used to give them antivirals we don't give them antivirals anymore we just gives them steroids there's no real harm to haven't given them antivirals but it doesn't produce any kind of a benefit from what I have heard from what my colleagues are sharing online I get about 15 to 20 email updates with kobus regularly eyes will tell you I'm hopeful as hydroxychloroquine and is it licensed defective you know I'm still looking for the first actual medical doctor who who says I don't think it'll work and I haven't seen that yet of you know everyone is sort of waiting with bated breath the case will work we're all hopeful that it will know where that's coming out with any kind of idea or at this to suggest that it shouldn't or would not work I haven't her name yeah and what are the one of the good things about this drug is that we understand the mechanism of of why it should work fairly well right

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of why it should work fairly well right that's well understood though the why of it yeah but you know I would I would be careful with that kind of logic because sort of in hindsight we can sort of justify why it's working you know if you had asked three months ago hey do you think that we should use hydroxyl or queen + for - is it for my sin to treat Crona virus you would probably have had a lot of people saying well I don't know how that would happen as opposed to now potentially seeing in cases that it doesn't it is effective it's much easier to identify so I don't know that that mechanism that we believe is happening is going to ultimately be that's true if it is effective at all right it might be though so and it would be tough to sort that out because my understanding is that 80% of people are just gonna get better on their own so if you gave everybody this drug 80% of them would look like they got better on their own and the 20% would look like they died from an underlying condition anyway right right so I'm hoping that we are going to see some sort of randomized and

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going to see some sort of randomized and it's not necessarily randomized at least some control study groups where we'll be able to say in these 200 patients who did not receive the intervention their general demographics look like this their general sickness level for like this or fio2 requirements whether they were we're not in the ICU but the ones who did receive the treatment ultimately did get better so I'm hoping that you know base must be the things are happening you should probably do something like that out of Italy how Korea maybe don't don't we have a severe ethical conundrum here which is it seems that anecdotally the benefit of the drug is just it's at the highest end of anecdotally looking good but not anywhere even touching the bottom of scientifically valid so given that people are actually dying from it how do the doctors treat the fact that you don't really want a control group at all I mean who's going to be in the control group when they could die from it and when the drug is basically nobody's

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when the drug is basically nobody's dying on it unless they have underlying conditions as far as I can tell how do you how do you navigate that is the test of New York City actually going to have a control group listen you guys have registered we may or may not give it to you I think that that would be really unethical especially with the level of panic may have been ethical if we were not in such a state of emergency worldwide if it goes back to what you had said about 80% of people would like to get better but I think it would be more a matter of we gave it to these two hundred people and these two hundred people who are very similar our comparison our control so I think your point is well made that ultimately it will be it won't be the rigorous randomly controlled trial I the thing I'm looking for and the the only indicator that I care about because I feel like it's the leading indicator would be how many people who are actually on the frontline doctors such as yourself who actually contract out we

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as yourself who actually contract out we expect that will be fairly high but then actually die from it with that with some underlying conditions of their own and so far I've heard zero of that in the last week now it might be early because that the total number of doctors touching an infected person is what we'll put a guess on in the United States given our caseload how many doctors do you think you've have come in your direct contact with equipment but direct contact with an infected person it's in the thousands right I can tell you currently Scott I'm actually on quarantine at home for coming in contact with Colby patient has worked in the emergency department and unfortunately that patient was deemed low-risk screen so yes had had travel but greater than 14 days prior to his visit for his buyer

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14 days prior to his visit for his buyer for illness now as far as I can recollect I was wearing my PPE however because the patient had screened negative and still ended up having a very high viral load and ultimately is I think the condition of the patient is stable currently as far as I know but because of that I have been quarantined there are 25 physicians who work in my department on that ship with me alone there were three so there were possibly 25 in that one instance let alone all the other hundreds of patients are coming through the department date yeah is a year sense that people in your situation where you where you're not presenting symptoms although I heard you clear your throat there a little bit are you have any symptoms okay do you think we're reaching a point where people in your classification where it's not demonstrated that you have it but you might have it do you think you would you would probably have to go back to work

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yes because I was but regardless of those particular details they agreed that it was a bit of a fringe case that it could have gone either way and that's becoming apparent with the patient because unfortunately that standard is far too high we meet the lower standard to allow clinicians and frontline workers to continue to work because otherwise everyone will be off so org units 14 days yeah so your your quarantine is really is still in the luxury category because the moment they need you you're going back to work i sooo yeah so alright so I'm gonna ask you a question and I'm gonna give you the option of deferring so don't don't feel like you have to answer this think you think of the greater good think of all the ramifications not just the the medical specific answer your colleagues who were on the front lines the medical doctors are they prophylactically taking the hydroxy chlorine and again if you would prefer to take a pass on that

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would prefer to take a pass on that question that's perfectly acceptable
asking that question because I can tell you honestly thus far we have talked about it I have one colleague who jokingly has suggested getting a prescription to go and pick it up I don't know it's that person has or hasn't I don't know that was sort of sending out feelers to get a sense of if someone would do them a favor to write them such a prescription but always like a you guys write your own prescriptions no I but but you could write one for each other so that you could get it prophylactically and and if one of your colleagues who was working with infected patients and was not yet tested as as as having been in or at least not suspected of having it but it's been around it would you feel epically in this current situation especially where there might be some shortages of the drug would you

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shortages of the drug would you prescribe it to a to a medical professional not not to assistant yes yeah and so that that's the sort of medical opinion I think is close to universal right now and it really comes down to do you have supply and what's the specific situation let me ask you another medical question and I don't know if we can decide on it today but the the issue is this with the shortage of masks it's been suggested but not in a way that I feel has enough credibility yet that since the virus has a known lifespan on different materials could you not use a mask put it in a paper bag come back to it in two weeks and feel pretty safe if you knew you weren't dealing with somebody who is known to be effective just people were suspected well what do you feel comfortable putting an n95 mask back on if it's added a paper bag for two weeks with no other yes the issue is that

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other yes the issue is that unfortunately viruses don't last very long on these sorts of inorganic purposes and this goes back to the ideas if you had said I think it was a several days ago technically speaking we don't really even classify viruses as being alive they are this strange simulation injected after that just messes around with humans so but other infectious agents are so bacteria fungi all kinds of other things are and they can last a lot a lot longer so it would have to be sterilized it was my own mask then yes we even still use our own masks for up to eight or ten hours on okay okay though so that's exactly what I was talking about that was that you put your own mask in the paper bag and then you rotate it you know the second week in an emergency obviously nobody would do it in any other way but but to your point if there were other you know germs bacteria whatever whatever but they were your own they would be

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but they were your own they would be largely inert to you one thing if you drank and you left it on the counter for two weeks and it was in and out of the Sun and whatever bacteria happened to be in your mouth for a lot to grow there but you just go and pick up the cup later and drink it you could you ideally not want to but you could so you know it's hard for me to say what kind of bacteria people have and the conditions under which it would grow we typically tend to think that it takes 20 minutes for bacteria to replicate in the ideal situation without changes in disruption and you know sunlight and exposure to air and all those other things so it could fester but not necessarily so if you let's say you took your mask and you hung it on a clothesline and yeah and you let it left it there for two weeks it doesn't rain for whatever reason so the Sun is just it on it you know would it matter the temperature around doors or with that pretty much killed okay so

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or with that pretty much killed okay so so there might be in an emergency situation some way to I mean you know we're watching these amazing hacks I saw yesterday somebody who used hosing to turn a ventilator for one into a ventilator for nine patients it is your sense that the ventilator machine be in the land Alette I mean the the engine of it would it handle the airflow for nine people does that does that feel like that would work yeah yeah yeah so I have some experience with ventilators I put people on ventilators in the emergency department not infrequently unfortunately I think that from a machine point of view this sounds like it could handle it I would be more worried about sort of the software and the interface of the machine to do that we typically tend to control ventilator settings based on what we call either pressure or volume you cannot control both okay so the Machine pumps air out for a certain amount of pressure or a

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for a certain amount of pressure or a certain amount of volume so I guess you could increase the amount of volumes if it's being distributed but I've never seen the software being put through that kind of process to know that that could work I don't know if it's certain machines that could do that and not others I don't know and there are quite a lot of different models of ventilators so so that's Ardoin together right yeah that's more of a you know electrical engineering question that would depend on each individual model but just on you know off the top of your head there's no there's nothing that would eliminate the possibility you just don't know the details at this point right for example a dolt who has very large lungs on the ventilator I see no reason why two children could not be put on that same ventilator with a bifurcating tube for each of them so I don't I don't see something that's prohibitive about it if the software machine could do it all right next question people keep asking me about taking zinc supplements sort of

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me about taking zinc supplements sort of ahead of time because the Hydra chloroquine you know interacts with the zinc in a positive way so you might as well have some zinc in there is that a thing would you recommend it at this point let's say you had you know zinc supplements and your multivitamin or we're just saying supplements is a good idea or not I'm doing it myself every day
day food component of think the evidence it has been a while since I have looked at the evidence for zinc but the last time I looked at it evidence for against common colds and flues was weak but it was there so you are certainly not doing yourself any harm by taking a multivitamin would think in it as for its interaction with types of chloroquine eyedrops or cream I think that that largely nebulous I don't think that there's any evidence to suggest that you should because of its benefits with the Bach vanilla or the hydroxychloroquine but certainly there's no harm in taking anyway okay so it

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no harm in taking anyway okay so it might give you a little edge probably won't where are you so it's worth a shot alright and I think this goes back to your general regime of you know does walking outside for half an hour and the Sun really help well probably a little bit yeah and the harm none so these things altogether mount some benefit and I recommend to people that they don't inhale any substances including marijuana to keep their lungs as healthy as possible that they take a multivitamin which includes a component of zinc vitamin D as well and then that they are eating well I suggest you do not chew you don't want to gorge on a bunch of fatty needles or have a large proteinaceous meal that will steal resources and cause a lot of energy to digest so a little bit of exercise you know I think in your advice that I'm no longer of muscle-building I'm just kind of maintaining good wait a minute I'm not sure the audience heard you that you're taking my medical advice can you say that again yeah I think stands to

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say that again yeah I think stands to reason and it's excellent advice that you want to be circulating your blood you want to be in a state of fitness you want to release endorphins and being the lowest level of stress possible so you come in contact with the virus so this is not the time to be pumping heavy iron to be building lots of lactic acid to destroying the rebuilding muscle that's going to cost energy and vitamins and resources some regular exercise to release endorphins is the best thank you for that now I feel twice as smart because you know my strategy is the strategy of 1% you know if if my walking in the Sun is 1% in my taking the zinc is 1% am I getting some good sleep is 1% you know I can get up to 10% and a 10% edge against a deadly pandemic that's a 10% edge I you know I'm not going to I'm not going to leave 10% on the table not today I think that for

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the table not today I think that for someone like you given your age and your comorbidities with your history of asthma I think the best percent is probably an underestimate right yeah you know I think trying to make that difference for someone who's otherwise young and healthy probably they have all the reserve they need but you know I had told my dad as a history of what I presume to be COPD and 67 so I tell him to do all the things as well to stay really well quarantine good hand-washing so it's much more important than a more vulnerable population okay all right I am working on my biceps I've been told telling people but I don't lift too heavy what low weights alright doctor I'm gonna talk about some other topics and this was really great and so thank you for volunteering to do this I think the audience got a lot out of this so thank you all right take care all right that was really useful um let's talk about some other stuff ah let's see okay

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some other stuff ah let's see okay just getting some important notices there let me turn that off sorry alright here's here's a message to our leaders you know you probably watched the the House and the Senate basically failed to do the work of the people you just watched the UH Nancy Pelosi and Schumer come in and kill the bill that that the other Democrats had been negotiating in good faith now of course the accusation is that well it's just political you guys are flying in and killing the thing that was going pretty well other people say well it's a good thing they got there in time to stop this corporate giveaway you know I can't tell the difference from the chair I'm sitting in I don't have enough visibility on these proposals to say this is the good one this is the bad one if we help these businesses it will it

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if we help these businesses it will it will support X number of jobs that would be lost but if we give money to individually you know they'll spend money and that's good for the business if we could be honest I don't know if anybody knows the difference meaning if you assemble the greatest economist in the world and said you know the Democrats are leaning this way the Republicans are leaning this way one is more of a corporate path where you make the corporation healthy and that supports jobs the other ones more direct but then they become good consumers and they support the companies which one of these is better in the long run and the answer is I don't know if you imagine you know maybe you should stop doing that because you don't know the reason that the Congress can't agree is that they don't know so I think they default this is just my presumption right so I can't read any minds but I think they're gonna default to what feels best politically and is compatible with their

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politically and is compatible with their brand independent of what is good for the country because I don't think they can tell you not because they're not educated of this they're not economists they're not but I don't think the economists could really you know I think that economists are gonna be in different pages so we've got that situation going on and our leaders are failed us last night let's just call it what it was let's call it what it was the our leaders failed us last night collectively by not acting and we're in the situation where acting is probably more important than getting it just right and that's the sort of the emergency rule you know it would be great to do everything right if you wait long enough you know you could make sure you've tested everything and you make just the right decision you know that might be good in regular times but in an emergency action just has a greater value because we're we're managing the

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value because we're we're managing the psychology of all of us and trying to hold it together remember this isn't this is partly a physical problem you know big part that the life and death of it but in order for that part to be minimized you got to get the psychology of it right - you know the country's got to be on your side we've got to trust our gotta trust our leadership we've got to feel like progress is being made we've got to feel like we're winning we're getting on top of the virus and then Pelosi and Schumer and yet into town and just just knock the whole thing off the table when it looked like it was good to go now are they right I don't know I don't know it could be it's entirely possible that they came in and said all you inexperienced people or making a big mistake you just gotta fix this thing maybe but our Schumer and Pelosi that much smarter about what's good for the country than the people who were already in the room is there something about Schumer

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room is there something about Schumer and Pelosi that they have they had knowledge that could not be transmitted by the the telephone is that what happened were Pelosi and Schumer not in continuous contact with the people who were negotiating for their team while it was happening what was it about flying in that changed the result because they do have telephones and if Nancy and Chuck as we like to call them as the president likes to call them if they had a problem with it during the negotiation why are we finding out what is too late all right I I can't come up with a scenario in my head in which this is anything but a naked political incompetence now it could be after the fact we learned that there's more to it and I'm always open to that I'm always open to well Scott you didn't know at the time there was this good reason and I'll be a little charitable because it's an

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little charitable because it's an emergency and I don't want to dwell on it right you know I don't need to spend any more time talking about what happened yesterday but let me just make this point to our leadership be they president be they senators be they representatives or mayor's it goes like this our leaders are asking us you know we the people to make big sacrifices big sacrifices they're asking us to take big sacrifices your responsibility leaders be they presidents representatives senators or mayors your responsibility is to be worthy of that sacrifice I realize we're going to do a lot of the lifting we the people you know the the hard stuff is going to be down in the trenches but you do have a responsibility to be worthy of that

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responsibility to be worthy of that sacrifice and last night you were not you are not and if you want if you're thinking of sky you're being political let me let me round it out for you when the president in my opinion mocked Mitt Romney for being in quarantine not good not good not ideal I think we need all of our leaders to be worthy of our sacrifice Governor Cuomo in New York is worthy of our sacrifice my governor who I've criticized a lot for the duration of this you know that at least the activities during the crisis is worthy of my sacrifice he is worthy of my sacrifice I'd like I'd like all of you to be worthy and Congress isn't there yet so so today is a request from the public I think I could speak for most of you in this narrow way you know not

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you in this narrow way you know not everything but in this narrow way we need our leaders to be worthy of the sacrifice and you're not close in Congress you're not close you got a lot of ground to make up and it needs to be today tomorrow tomorrow's not good needs to be today and action is more important than getting it exactly right that's that's a big deal I have a I have a sort of a thought experiment question normally with these big economic questions I at least have a point of view meaning I can think to myself yeah that makes sense probably or doesn't make sense probably everything's sort of a statistical situation if you're predicting but here's one that I don't even have a little bit of a sense of and I'm gonna run a byte and let me tell you if this has any any any merit suppose hypothetically and this is not a recommendation it's a question hypothetically the federal government

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hypothetically the federal government said that until further notice and it might be 30 days or 60 days or 90 days whatever the period that makes sense nobody has to pay rent nobody has to pay their mortgage nobody has to pay for their power phone or you know cable TV nobody pays for the healthcare and nobody pays for their insurance now what all of these have in common is that there's more like services than a physical product I don't think you could have a rule that says you can't you don't have to pay for a physical product like a loaf of bread or a phone or something like that that that still has to be you got to pay for it because things would go crazy otherwise but just just play this through in your head so we'll take them one at a time nobody pays rent alright that's good for all the people who pay rent and let's say that you don't have to pay it back later either it's just gone it's just off the table now all the landlords would be at

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table now all the landlords would be at a lock right so they would lose their income if you're a landlord and you've owned you know several properties well you lose your income for that month or three months but you're also not paying your rent and you're not paying for your electricity or your healthcare so you would lose that but also your expenses would go down the same as the people who are not paying you and again I'm not saying this is a good idea I'm asking for help thinking it through because I don't know anything this out of the box has been considered so how about you don't pay your mortgage so the banks don't get that income for two or three months can they afford it well I'll tell you the banks are going to make a fortune when we get back to work because all the people who need working capital loans they have good businesses that have been demonstrated by their past and all they need is a little bit to just get back up and run robbing banks love those banks I don't even I don't even know if banks on the whole are gonna be

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know if banks on the whole are gonna be worse off if you didn't pay your mortgage for three months and let's say it doesn't you don't you never have to pay and it's just delayed you know you're gonna pay the same amount you would have paid it in the long run but you delayed it three months just as an example what about your electricity phone and cable could we keep all of those things working if nobody paid for them for three months well probably because phone companies are pretty rich cable companies power companies can probably you know get by for a few months easier than individuals can you know if if my local power company let's say ran in the muddy and they couldn't pay all their employees could they pay their employees half for three months because remember under this scenario they're their employees are not paying rent not paying mortgage and not paying for their own power cable everything so maybe PG&E can say oh god this is going to kill us nobody's paying for power but we can get

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nobody's paying for power but we can get by for three months as long as we pay our people half half amount and then their expenses are lower too so they can get by a few months just throwing it out there and then insurance and healthcare same thing would it be easier just do is suspend all our big expenses and make those big entities that largely could afford just eat it for three months and then we just come up back and running and now we might also in addition to that might require some ubi in other words it might not be enough that you don't have to pay your rent because you still have to buy food and maybe some medicines and stuff so you probably still need the ubi but I'll just put that out there I haven't been able to read all the comments as they're going by but if somebody had a some visibility on that and you're you've got some economic background could you tell me what I'm missing now I realize it would have gigantic unintended consequences in places that would be hard to know in advance I mean

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would be hard to know in advance I mean it could be quite disruptive but as long as everybody got food money and everybody still went to work to keep the lights on and the water flowing and everything I think it would work what it all right I don't know how long does it take to create a deep fake digital version of Joe Biden I think in him like we might see that today now I'm just joking but imagine if you will there was some entity you know some deep state you know deeply hidden enemy who wanted to take over the United States like a dictatorship but you know make it look like it didn't happen how would you do it well the first thing you do is you take some coronavirus and you'd you'd drop it off in wuhan I don't think this happened I'm just making a movie this is the movie that could command this so the movie would be somebody infects the world with a pandemic intentionally but

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world with a pandemic intentionally but in order to cover their tracks they they put it somewhere next to a weapons a bioweapons lab because of course people are going to think what came from there so you so you release the thing in a city that's near a bioweapons lab this is the first part of the movie I'm not saying this happened and then you you run a candidate who's sort of a shell of his former self and kind of doesn't even know he's on stage but he's got a good name recognition and he's going to get a lot of votes just because they know him and his name is Joe Biden but because it's a pandemic you have the option of taking him completely out of the public eye which you can never do in any other situation you couldn't but you can do it in this situation and then we happen to be coincidentally at exactly the point in human history where you could pull off a deep fake now I'm not saying that's happening again I'm just doing the movie version of our reality so you

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the movie version of our reality so you do the pandemic you blame it on somebody else the world that goes into lockdown you take your candidate who's a shell of his former self you lock them up and nobody sees them except digitally and it takes a while to get the deep fake up and running and then you cancel all your debates because that's not gonna work baby pandemic better cancel those debates and suddenly you've got a deep fake president and we want to know the difference now again I don't think that's happening but isn't it a big coincidence that we get the one-to-one time you've ever been locked down in your house and you can't go out in public is exactly the time in history that we can make a deep fake and exactly the time in history that the the ideal candidate to do that way the Joe Biden looks like the presumptive nominee well that's a lot of coincidences but that's what makes it a movie all right a lot of

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what makes it a movie all right a lot of people saying open the country right now and some people saying no and let's talk about that a little bit don't get trapped in the binary the most likely scenario as I've been telling you for some time is that we run our few weeks now the president is signaled if you can if you read the tea leaves here the president has signaled that he's very optimistic about this hydroxychloroquine drug used with a zither Maison especially it's being tested in New York City and I think they'll have enough patience and enough experience that they're gonna have a solid idea about this drug in about a week is my guess because that's about how long it would take to be pretty sure that it's making a difference if it does it looks like the president so he did a tweet last night in which he said in all capital letters you know we need to get back to work and then he would make a decision at the end of our two-week period which

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at the end of our two-week period which I believe is one week issue from now so in one week the president says we're going to make a decision what's that sound like to you if the president believed that the most likely result is that it's going to be a few months of lockdown would he have tweeted last night you know it's important to get back to work we don't want the the Cure to be worse than the thing we'll make a decision in a week does that sound like somebody who has a serious intention of locking you down for three months it does not now we know that the president can get a little ahead of the experts we know he can get ahead of foul cheese at least public optimism we don't know what he says privately but is ouchies you know public optimism is a you know you ought to be a little cautious but the president is clearly signaling some good news ahead now does the president know more than you and I

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the president know more than you and I know I hope so right does he know more than doctor foul he knows of course not but it makes sense that they're doing the dance you know sort of good cop bad cop but in the form of optimist and pessimist yeah I would say not pessimist ouchy is more like a realist I would say he's not a pessimist he's a realist and he's saying it's just the fact that that drugs need to be tested it's just the fact that we can't know how dangerous it is and it's just the fact that scientifically according to the rigors of science they can't be demonstrated that it works so you know if I would she's sticking to the facts I won't call him a pessimist that's just facts but in Trump is sticking with optimism so he's he's over there but I feel like signaling that a plan is coming together and I think it's gonna look like this the president has pretty good instincts and I think he knows sort of like my Captain Kirk and Scotty

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sort of like my Captain Kirk and Scotty the engineer analogy yesterday it's like giving warp six Scotty I cannot give you warp six it'll come apart you can do it Scotty give me warp six all right it gives you warp six and it looks like the ship's gonna fall apart but it doesn't so you know in those stories the mythical Captain Kirk has just some kind of magical intuition that he can you can just feel the right answer somehow without without the details and we have seen that our president seems to demonstrate a weird kind of instinct that's been right a lot you know what is instinct to close the airports really being the the most obvious example so you know I'm not saying every one of his hunches will always be right or always has been right but he does have a track record that's it's not inconsequential they should give you a little confidence and he's clearly signaling that there's something like a get back to work plan

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something like a get back to work plan brewing now here's what I think using the Greg Gutfeld model don't don't be trapped in the prison of two ideas in all likelihood it's going to be something between let everybody go back to work and don't let anybody go back to work in all likelihood there will be some middle ground that gets us moving in the right direction and movement and direction are the important things for confidence for psychology for the markets and everything else so getting some movement in the right direction no matter how small your president understands how important that is maybe he mean that's especially really so he knows that direction matters I would expect that at the end of the two weeks that they will announce something even if it's small there is directionally positive meaning for example I'm gonna let these jobs or these industries go back to work but only under these conditions so it might look something like that and then you

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look something like that and then you say ah fine at least a few people got back to work how about next week well next week we'll see how that week went maybe a few more maybe loosen up maybe tighten up the restrictions but basically play it by ear
ear but with a firm commitment that it's a path toward reemployment so I think you're go see the president say we've looked at the week of experience in New York City with this Hydra hydroxychloroquine and as if through Meissen cocktail I think he's gonna say it looks like it's stopping the deaths and it looks like it's you know speeding up the recovery if we can get to stopping the deaths of the people under 60 with no health problems then I think your president can ask you for the following sacrifice and would be worthy of it would be worthy of the sacrifice if this happens I think he's going to ask the

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happens I think he's going to ask the American public to take a risk and I think he's going to ask the American public to take a risk for the benefit of the Republic and I think he's going to tell us straight this isn't gonna be safe I'm gonna ask some of you the young the fit the ones especially the one says the most critical jobs I'm going to ask some of you to go back to work I don't know if this is next week or soon it's going to be a risk and I'm going to ask the over-60s to stay home and if you can help them do so but I think I think it's gonna be very much your president asking you directly to take a risk with your health and your safety for the Republic he's a war president this is a war against a virus your war president needs to ask you directly to take a risk it makes a difference it's one thing to say you know I think this is a good idea here's my guideline and it will probably comply but it does make a difference if you ask

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but it does make a difference if you ask directly I know this is going to be hard I know some of you are going to be lost but we have to take the hill you know where we're at the point where you just have to take the hill now if you're worrying about closing the economy versus the opening the economy I have a firm opinion that a two-week closure isn't going to be a fatal flow a fatal blow a three-week closure also not a fatal blow I think we could take a month but this is where the the Captain Kirk and me starts saying okay Scotty I'm not going to ask you for warp 10 but I might ask you for warp 8 so in my just feel of the mood of the country my read reading of the zeitgeist my projecting from my personal feelings my lifetime if experience a month is the absolute ragged edge especially if we have this you know a drug that's working so I don't think your presidents going

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so I don't think your presidents going to take you a month to get some people back to work I would expect that if you can tell a commute that you will be asked to continue that's what I would expect and I would expect that if you have to be physically present there will be some new guidelines for that maybe we've got some extra mess by then but that's what it's going to look like all right um do Baron ash ask this question this is user on Twitter Baron ash so here here's this tweet he says 55,000 deaths from seasonal flu in the US I wonder how that is affected capacity so this is a question that says you know is this coronavirus really going to affect our capacity because we've only had you know X hundreds well how many deaths in the United States and how many hospitalized so I think 20,000 are infected most of them won't be hospitalized so this sounds

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won't be hospitalized so this sounds like a good question right if we have 55,000 deaths and you know God knows how many hospitalizations from the regular flu why would be we be afraid of this one well here's my answer 10 is bigger than one if the regular flu let's say on a scale of one to ten is a one
one because we know that this this one the one we're dealing with coronavirus might be ten times as viral and therefore ten times as many people get it so you might have something like the normal flu with their 55,000 deaths in the course of a year and it's sort of spread around the country etc is capacity now capacity in this sense means you've still got 10% left because it in a normal year you don't you know you're not going to use all of your capacity but let's say 90% under 80% of your capacity is what capacity looks like in a normal year we're already higher than that and this

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we're already higher than that and this is just getting started so the way to look at this is if unskilled a 1 to 10 the regular flu is a 1 and we're probably designed to handle that plus a little bit more 10 times that is going to be too much because what we're looking at is something like 10 times as bad as a seasonal flu but here's the catch it's on top of the seasonal flu the regular seasonal flu didn't take a vacation the 55,000 deaths are still going to be there this would be 10 times that on top of it so the math of it is 10 to 1 if you're wondering why the seasonal flu is you know something we can handle but why is this one different just remember than the number 10 yeah if we had to flex up by let's say 30 percent could we do it yeah probably probably if you put a drain under hospitals of 30 percent more we could get it done it would hurt some people lives would be lost to be a big hardship but we can get

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lost to be a big hardship but we can get that done nice 30 percent flex if we had enough time a few months to get ready but can we flex by 10 times because that's the proposition if you don't do the shutdown and this is important if you don't do the shutdown you could quite quickly get to 10 times the size of a problem of a regular flu and then the whole system crashes so and then other people are looking at our infection rate at the beginning of an epidemic and while we're all lockdown and before we have testing kits and saying this doesn't look like a big problem oh please please people that's not the right way to look at it it's the beginning of the epidemic and we've done draconian measures to the economy making us all stay home just to keep it under that and it's brand-new and it's ten times as viral as the old stuff you know the normal stuff don't look at that

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the normal stuff don't look at that little number that we've taken draconian measures to control and it's new and we don't have enough test kits to really know how much is out there don't look at that that number has no meaning no meaning that because we closed the economy the number that you want is the one you don't have access to the number you want is everybody when one went just along with their normal business we had big crowds and events what's that look like because that's the number that matters if you're saying we shouldn't have closed down the economy you have to compare it to the number you don't have which is what if we didn't we don't know because we did so you need to up your game of what you're comparing to just don't make those common mistakes all right here the here are the little signs I would be looking for and some of these

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I would be looking for and some of these you've earned before if you're looking for good news and you're wondering if the hydroxychloroquine makes a difference by the way I think the plan to go back to work will be once we get enough of that supply once we know it works the young people will go back to work take their chances the death rate will approach zero I think with the drug so the things to look for are any of our American doctors you know let's say they're under 60 themselves we're dying on the front lines so far I haven't heard of one which suggests they have access to the hydroxychloroquine and that might make the difference because you know they're getting affected there's no question that the doctors are getting infected but it's early so that doesn't mean we know anything yet because it might be just early and maybe you'll hear about that later tragically well I would be looking for is that the infection rate is zooming because we'll be testing more and it's

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because we'll be testing more and it's just deeper into the pandemic so you should see the rate of infection just going up like you expect a pandemic maybe maybe we'll take the top off it a little bit with the flattening of the curve but you expect still pretty big healthy increase even if we flatten the curve but you should but if you're getting good news you're gonna see the infection rate and zoom well the death rate of people would no no underlying conditions approach zero and you should start to see that in New York City starting around this week so here's the most important number you should look for people under the age of sixty dying in New York City from this virus I think it's going to approach zero except for underlying conditions that would be that would be an indication that we've got to plan out the you would also expect that the president wouldn't be quite as optimistic and quite as let's say

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optimistic and quite as let's say foreshadowing about what's going to happen at the end of two weeks I don't think he would be giving us this kind of optimism unless he knew a little bit more than we did and and we assume he does
you should also expect it and I tell you this a million times because it's always true that it's darkest before the dawn so a week from now as much as we are anxious in complaining and fearful for the fate of the economy and our in our country and ourselves as much as we're afraid of that this week next week is going to be pretty rugged yeah let let me not candy coat it psychologically and also financially next week is going to be rough it's not going to be like this week it's going to be tough tough for a lot of people really tough for a lot of people and if we help them out we can ease that but next week it's going to be tough and you're gonna be saying to yourself and I've been predicting this for a

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and I've been predicting this for a while you're gonna be saying to yourself man it doesn't look like we have a way out man I think we hit the wall humanity's in trouble the whole economy is going to crash we can't take much more of this that is exactly how you should feel right before the term so in other words you can't tell the difference between being on the precipice of really bad news and being on the precipice of the turnaround they would look exactly the same it's going to be way darker next week and that isn't necessarily a bad thing meaning that the best way to take the Starship Enterprise and in danger is you might have to run it at you know warp speed eight and it's not designed for that so next week we're going to be a warp eight and our economy is not designed to do that for very long so that's why I'm pretty sure it's gonna be short because the smartest people in the

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short because the smartest people in the world looking at this problem president Trump is not making you know decisions in a vacuum although all the smart people are saying you know do this don't do don't do this I don't believe there are any smart people who are gonna tell the president to lock down the economy for three months I just don't see it happening I think minuchin was trying to give you a you know sort of a worst-case there and he's succeeded here's what to look for other countries who are now in the maturity the mature end of dealing with this let's say China and South Korea I would expect that even if their infection rates go up and down for a little while that their death rates because I believe both of them have access to the hydroxychloroquine by now China especially I imagine they make it I don't know that but I imagine they make it so I would look for their death rate to approach zero again for the people under sixty with no conditions

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people under sixty with no conditions and that would tell you you can get back to work pretty soon let's talk about this question of I'm kind of interested in this from a psychological as well as a health and economic perspective the the masks and I would I would propose this following way to understand this and this is preliminary and speculative but I think I'm right you know bouncing against your own opinion that if in normal times the value of a doctor's time is very high and the value of an individual n95 mask is very low compared to a doctor's time so what would be the best way to handle your mask situation in normal times well the best way would be use at once you know or whatever the guidelines are and then the throw it away because the value of the mass is trivial the value of a

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of the mass is trivial the value of a doctor's time is very high you don't want them to get sick and you you know you don't want them to take any extra time to disinfect as masks and stuff like that so that makes sense and you would imagine that people make the masks would be recommending that because of course it's safer to throw it away so of course the manufacturer is going to recommend the safest thing which happens to be compatible with their profits and I wonder and this is just a question if the medical community simply got I'll say hypnotized by by routine into thinking that you have to throw the masks away but you know somebody's saying lawsuits yes so you want to drive the risk to zero if doing so is a small expense in those cases you would always do it but now we're in an emergency and what's happened is that the value of the mask is getting really higher and the value of the the the time of the the

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value of the the the time of the the physician hasn't changed that much right they're still very important but the value of a mask went from zero to very high if that had been the start the the case from the start I'll bet mass would be reusable routinely so I think what we're seeing is that there was a blind spot just guessing right don't don't reuse your mask because the cartoonist says that it's safe right that would be dumb but I'm speculating that what we had was a massive cognitive blind spot about reuse of some types of masks not all of them I think it makes a difference what brand you have and what model but that some of them could be reused with relatively little problem you know hang it on a clothesline for three days or you know you spray it with some you know Lysol or somethin disinfected and let it dry out but there probably were a number of ways to reuse them but we're cognitively blind to that even being an option because we've always thrown them away

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because we've always thrown them away and that was always considered the safest thing so I think it's just a cognitive thing and we may be basically if we get past that maybe you quadruple the number of n95 masks just by the realization that they can be reused under the right conditions so that's good news all right so Schumer and Pelosi uh I guess humor tweeted this out and as the reason he killed it was part of killing the legislation for the bailouts or whatever it is he says the GI Bill GOP bill is a slush fund to bail out Trump hotels full stop Senator Schumer you are not worthy of leaving us in this in this this thing the very first sentence of why he killed this thing is that it would be good for Trump hotels I'm kind

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would be good for Trump hotels I'm kind of done with you Senator Schumer this wasn't really the time for that because here's the thing and let me I'm gonna go a little bit stronger on this if you're saving other businesses other hotels you damn well ought to save the Trump Hotel Trump hotels Trump business you damn well order because what did what did the Trump family do to you not talking about president he's turned over you know management and he's a certain age but what you know what did it Ivanka do to you that that that a business she's associated with doesn't get to live and the employees the employees that that work there don't get to have their jobs what what did she do to you what did Don Jr well you know what in a derrick Trump you know obviously with everybody's political you know everybody's insulting each other but what have they done as citizens that makes you want to carve them out for

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makes you want to carve them out for special destruction economically not acceptable absolutely not acceptable Chuck Schumer if you're picking winners and losers for political reasons and you said it clearly I mean it's right there it's in his tweet the very first sentence the GOP GOP is a slush fund to bail out Trump hotels now I assume what he means is that some of that money could be used and would expect to be used to bail out Trump hotels as well as other hotels do you have a problem with that I don't now of course I want to see the numbers that want to make sure that saving the hotel business is you know a good use of the money compared to whatever else I could use the money for assuming there's some limitation on how much money is available you know I'd like to see the reasoning but if you're going to be looking at saving other hotels because the the the recreational and you know tourist business is so

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and you know tourist business is so important in the United States is a real big part it's a big big big thing why would you exclude the Trump hotels I mean really you flew across the country to tell us you're gonna be political in the time of a crisis this is so unacceptable so deeply unacceptable Chuck Schumer you were not worthy you're just not worthy you know every almost every citizen is taking not almost every citizen 100% of citizens are sacrificing right now do you do you think that we want to see you tweeting about your politics about oh I can't make the Trump hotels happy you know I don't want to accidentally do something that's good for the Trump family and and really that's the first line and your you have your tweet this is not acceptable this is not worthy this is not worthy of the sacrifice the public is making you need to increase your game what I listen to would I

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your game what I listen to would I listen to an argument that says we want to fix this with these tweaks yeah absolutely yeah if Democrats have an argument that says if we if we tweak this we can solve a problem that wasn't anticipated sure no problem but is that is that stated and the GOP GOP is a slush fund to bail out the Trump hotels that is literally mind-reading that is mind reading somebody is somebody who's imagining they can see other people's all you know there are intentions now do I think that the President Trump wants to save the Trump business and do I think that the people who work with him and the government would be highly biased toward doing that I do I do but you know what else is true we'll probably need to save some hotels and he's one of them so if you can come up with a reason why he doesn't need to be on the list meaning the business and I am I'm open

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meaning the business and I am I'm open to it I'll listen to it but I certainly don't see that reason it just looks like making politics to me so you can have to do better than that because you just have to do better and then he goes on and say that that about other businesses they got a two trillion dollar tax cut last year when Schumer is saying that the the businesses that might be helped by this also got a two trillion dollar tax cut last year that's not a reason that's just naked politics because it's a sunk cost the sunk cost is what we did last year you can't take it back it's what happened it's done so shubra comes into town to tell us that he's going to make a decision based on a sunk cost I've taught you what a sunk cost is by definition a sunk cost is something that should be ignored for

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is something that should be ignored for your decisions today because it's something you can't change it's just history it's something in your mind it's something something in the past you can't you can't time travel so if you're making decisions based on something that happened in the past that can't be changed as your justification that's a sunk cost it's the most basic leadership mistake to make a decision based on the sunk cost and he's telling you he's doing it he's telling you I'm not telling you he's telling you that that's big part of his decision it's his first sentence it's a sunk cost that's not that is not worthy you are not worthy of her of our sacrifice you need to up your game neva rava can't tweeted around and anything he tweets is worth looking at because he's a fantastic curator of what your brain needs and went and it was an article title of at least a full quote

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article title of at least a full quote from it is so this was the intention of the article that we should pay almost anything you know almost any price to shorten to shut down even if it costs you know a hundred times with a Manhattan Project cost and there was dollars and it goes on to say that the the enormous trillions of dollars of damage have their own expense you know people die when the economy does poorly etc and that you know it might make sense to go back to work because the economic shutdown if we calculated it smartly we would see that it's much worse than potentially the deaths here's what's missing no mention of the strategy of using the chloric Laura
hydroxychloroquine hydroxychloroquine there was no discussion in this article about the more reasonable middle ground which is once you could get the deaths down to zero for the healthy people not

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down to zero for the healthy people not the over sixties but if you can get the young people death rate down to zero you've got a path out send it back to work in some phased way monitor the situation keep everybody live yeah you might have to call for a week and stay quarantine but we'll send you we got lots of people we're not short of people to work I mean the big problem is unemployment so you know we can take the sacrifice and get this done so if you read an article like that and you are fooled into thinking that the economic destruction of continued continuing this is far greater in even death count than just going with the the virus look for this variable what does it say about the strategy of using the hydroxychloroquine to keep the young people at least alive at least alive and you know turn it into a cold basically and they miss some work maybe but that the option is missing so

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maybe but that the option is missing so you could you could scare yourself to death about the economic turndown by looking at you know the comparison without the advantage of the drug variable being in there and then here's the thing I think that pausing for two weeks is always going to be seen as the right decision because not too many things break in two weeks not too many people who lose two weeks of income are going to be disadvantaged for years I mean that would be rare right you know you can if all you've lost is two weeks of income you can you know grind it back after a year or so I mean you'll be back on your feet so two weeks makes perfect sense and then that's where judgment comes in after that after the second week and the president said he's going to make a decision I think the decision is going to be a request and I think the request is going to be I'm going to ask you to take an even bigger sacrifice and

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you to take an even bigger sacrifice and risk with your health maybe your lives you know we think the pill will keep you alive but maybe with your life to get the economy going and I believe that the citizens this country will rise as one and say yes the Dow losing $1,000 per day on average yeah you know the beauty of owning stock is that if the entire Dow Jones goes down by 20%
you still own about the same amount of the country so the percentage of the economic engine that you owned two weeks ago let's say you own some stock in your 401 K you owned you know whatever tiny percentage of the total economy you owned in stocks you still own about the same percent because everybody else went down with you yeah and I always forget that you know if you have a background in economics things can look less scary

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economics things can look less scary then again two people don't your buying power you know didn't change as much as the percentage that your stocks went down because now we're all in the same boat you know in theory yes the stocks went down and just stayed there which isn't gonna happen that's not gonna happen but in theory so too would the price of real estate so you know the amount you add to your 401k would go further you know if your rent would go down on et cetera if if the economy gets depressed now I'm oversimplifying and I'm not expecting things to play out cleanly I'm just saying that I wouldn't worry too much if everybody in the stock market has less you know less dollar amount we still the same percentage when it goes back up you'll still have the same percentage and in the long long run the percentage of the economy you owned is is going to be the big thing once you're over a you know survival level

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you're over a you know survival level yeah gas prices are down that helps yep so I stock market going down today know that variable gives me no concern none not a single concern because remember I told you a week ago that the next two weeks are going to look worse so if the next two weeks go exactly the way I predicted I don't feel less comfortable because I'm also predicting that after that we're going to start the turn back so as long as my predictions have been spot-on I'm also feeling a little bit comfortable about the ones after that that have not been confirmed and so should you alright stock market will bounce back quickly yeah the stock market just needs to know that things are direction directionally improving so I would expect when the president gives this announcement about his decision that if any of it is to go

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his decision that if any of it is to go back to work the stock market worse it will respond time to fix the tests yeah it looks like there's something brewing with the technology of testing because right now it's it's a clunky time consuming process and the president seems to suggest that somebody hadn't invented a streamlined way to do it some kind of a 45 minutes you get your results kind of a test I don't know what that looks like but and I don't know how how quickly would cramp you know ramped up production of such a thing but it's promising isolation is devastating oh the speaking of isolation so one of the problems that Congress can't seem to solve and it's just mind-boggling to me here's the problem that Congress hasn't been able to solve that they have to be you have to be present to vote and it makes a big difference if people are self-quarantine Inge and you know the two sides are kind

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Inge and you know the two sides are kind of close to each other in numbers it makes a big difference if you can't show up in person you don't get the vote and if not enough people show up because I'd ask the question of Joel Pollak he because he's smarter than I am in all things legal and constitutional and I said how many people actually have to show up and order for the vote to count and you have to get you know I guess a majority of people to show up where the vote doesn't count
because I thought to myself well why can't you just send one person to vote and then just agree that you'll vote offline and then just tell that one person ok the Democrats won the vote or the Republicans won the vote but whatever it is that that one person would go in and then safely without the without being around other people just vote however the people sat at sitting at home told what to vote but that doesn't work because the Constitution requires you get enough bodies in the room but here's what I would like to

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room but here's what I would like to test we have an emergency and we can test this let's do this for every who can't make it physically how about they have an iPad so you have somebody come in and say here's your senator Lee's iPad here's Senator Rand Paul's iPad put it you know put it in the room turn it on to FaceTime and they're live but they're on there on video and I think you have to push a button to vote so maybe somebody's saying next to him couldn't push their button and you know they can observe it so there's no funny business so here's the thing if you attend and vote live on video have you met the constitutional requirement to be there in person well now right obviously know what happens if you do it anyway remember with its emergency rules we're under we're under crisis rule and

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we're under we're under crisis rule and the the old rules are all flexible now what if you just said it's an emergency if you appear on a video device we will count you as present it will change that rule if we have to later but for the moment if you're live on video in the room you're present now what would happen well maybe somebody takes it up to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says you know it's our job to you know interpret the Constitution and shew or we are where original lists and we don't want to deviate from the exact word of the Const but let me ask you this what are the exact words of the Constitution I don't know maybe somebody could tell me oh but I'm sure it says something like you have to be there in person but here's what your Supreme Court can do for you no that's not the crimefighter virus golf don't worry here's what you could do

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don't worry here's what you could do this the Supreme Court could say that what it means to be in person when the Constitution was written just doesn't look like that anymore because they couldn't contemplate that you could move your yourself into another space virtually by being on a device so the the framers didn't think of that option so is never contemplated could the Supreme Court I know you don't like them making legislation from the bench but could they interpret the Supreme Court to simply say yeah it's 2020 being somewhere in person could easily just be on a video device because because it meets all the requirements of being in the room in terms of communication right am I wrong that we could just do it you know just replace people with iPads vote as if they're in person take it to the Supreme Court and what what if the Supreme Court you know doesn't take it

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Supreme Court you know doesn't take it or whatever well who cares because the American people could watch the whole process remember this is fully transparent if you're a home watching rand paul vote you know you're watching it at home on TV and you see his ipad say I vote aye and then whoever's sitting there pushes as you know I button or however works I don't know and you're watching it it's fully transparent are you gonna be the the dick who says no no the Constitution says you got to be there in person Rand Paul that's not good enough for me no you're not you're not you're not gonna be that dick you're gonna say yeah I mean it's emergency why wouldn't you makes perfect sense and if it goes to the Supreme Court do you think the Supreme Court's gonna be a bunch of dicks and just say I technically technically you got to be basically in that room so no no we're gonna let the whole country go to hell because a couple hundred years ago they didn't know that face time would be invented no nobody's gonna do that

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invented no nobody's gonna do that just fix it just just fix it Congress you know your your public will support you just make it make it visible make it transparent you know don't don't have any secrets about who's voting and why who's home who's there no secrets your country will support you 100% and if there's anybody who wants to be a dick about it later and say oh that wasn't a foul about because you did not have the actual physical bodies in the seats we'll just ignore that idiot all right I mean there's always gonna be one of those just ignore him and if he wants to take it to the Supreme Court fine fine I think the Supreme Court is going to say yeah facetimes fine in an emergency that's what I think all right I think I talked about everything I want to talk about let's make sure just checking my notes bear with me you please bear with me
me oh I'll mention again the website if

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oh I'll mention again the website if you're if you spun up a factory to try to make protective gear for doctors say masks or gowns or gloves or whatever and you're trying to find the buyers go to this website project n as a neighbor 95 comm project and then n 95 the the type of mask calm but they're doing more than more than just masks but they will they will match people who are making stuff just sort of on their own they said we can make these and started making them with the people the hospitals and the buyers so that was worth saying all right I think I have my notes I will be back this after or sometime tonight I'll shoot for the same time in the evening so so if you saw that if you're seeing this at 7 a.m. in California time I'll do 7 p.m. tonight or I'll shoot

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do 7 p.m. tonight or I'll shoot or can't promise it all right that's all I got for now be good to each other we'll be good soon enough bye for now