Episode 850 Scott Adams: WuFlu and Coffee

Date: 2020-03-14 | Duration: 1:12:23

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Joe Biden attempts to do a live stream US coronavirus strategy…herd immunity Less testing increases herd immunity President Trump still shakes hands? Did John Bolton close a pandemic handling department?

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[Music] hey everybody get in here yeah it's time to talk about the coronavirus are you sick of the coronavirus yet now we have to talk about it because it's affecting everything and it's the only thing happening of consequence so we'll be talking about that but I am so sick of the coronavirus and we've got a lot more coming so let's do our best join together try to make this a perfect day DJ doctor funk juice good to see you as always and before we get started I think we need to do a little thing called the simultaneous hip and all you need is a cover of margaret glass a tanker chelators tie and a canteen Joker flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure of the dopamine hit of the day the thing that makes everything better

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the thing that makes everything better including the coronavirus it's called the simultaneous hip and it happens now go someone says what if it's all a hoax well that was a good question a few weeks ago it's not a good question anymore the the ratio of people who were saying it's just the flu and it's a hoax and you know it's all overblown I'd say that ratio went from you know half or eighty percent or whatever it was down to well there's not much of that anymore but let's say let's talk about what we've learned I didn't watch Bill Maher last night but he makes so much news that you could always read about it the next day and I read some of his quotes what he was talking about Biden and I guess I have the answer to a question

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guess I have the answer to a question that I've been wondering for a long time and it goes like this I know you you've probably had the same question right and it goes like this when Trump was first running for president all the Democrats were saying some version of this to me Scott can't you see it can't you see the problem here are you blind why are we all seeing there's something wrong with Trump but you don't see it what's wrong with you well good why can't you see it now I of course thought the answer was that they were having TDS and I was not and that he would be good for the economy and trade deals and stuff like that and I think largely that has been that true if you don't count the coronavirus but that gets to my questions which is don't the democrats see what's happening with Biden can't they see it I mean it's not

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Biden can't they see it I mean it's not really subtle anymore is it maybe a year ago you couldn't see it maybe a year ago you'd say oh maybe that is his stutter or something but what about right now is there any Democrat who's been watching any of the videos of Biden recently who doesn't see it I mean actually the it's not a rhetorical question I'm actually intensely curious about this I don't know what they're seeing because they're not going to tell you exactly but I think Bill Maher came pretty close and I'm going to paraphrase and read his mind and all the things that you shouldn't do so you know Bill Maher will have to give you his own opinion if you really want to know what it is but in context and I've talked to other people who have a similar kind of vibe to them I told you that my one friend said that he would vote for a pile of old magazines before he would vote for Trump

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magazines before he would vote for Trump and I thought haha that's funny and then I thought no he means it he would actually vote for a pile of old magazines over trouble you've over anything it doesn't even matter what it is I think we've actually gotten to that point where the candidate isn't even part of the question anymore is it because if Biden were part of the decision in any way below I guess we got to have another four years of Trump at least you know at least he can function but it's not even part of the question we've gone so far into ridiculousness that whether the question whether the candidate as a functioning brain will be alive or dead after election doesn't even matter I mean that's actually what's happening and I believe I'm not exaggerating I believe that people are saying you know we we don't even care if he survives a week after he gets elected

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he survives a week after he gets elected we don't care if you know they're they're feeding women with a spoon and he doesn't know his name I think they're I think we're being told that directly at this point so Bill Maher seemed to clearly understand there's something wrong with Biden so again I don't want to read his mind but I will say that he did indicate that he is aware that is pretty obvious something wrong with Biden and still wants to beat once and to be elected so he's saying it kind of directly it's it's it's an amazingly absurd situation that you could only get there gradually you know the old thing about I had a boil a frog you know you do it gradually but you know if we'd started from nothing and said okay hey hey everybody we're thinking about running some Democrats against President Trump you know we don't have any names in mind but we've got this idea we're

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in mind but we've got this idea we're gonna run this guy who was a who will be in his 80s if he gets elected he's not very competent he's not very accomplished he's not good at talking to people and and by the way there's there's something seriously wrong with his men to acuity but that's who we were gonna run against Trump now if somebody had said that on day one you would say oh that's pretty funny now you're kidding right that can't be serious you're not actually gonna run this shell of a you know of somebody you used to have a brain against Trump the one person who will not pull any punches because your brains not working you don't expect Trump to pull any punches if so the only way you can get to this place is by this gradual series of events where it's sort of slowly building there to the point where people are actually willing to vote for a

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are actually willing to vote for a brain-dead guy over the current president it's truly amazing it tells you a lot about people none of it's good all right does anybody see Biden's attempt attempt at doing a live stream some kind of a town hall situation oh my god if you haven't seen it go look for it it's in my Twitter feed and it's all over Twitter it's pretty easy to find so the the the basics of it are that since the physical rally is in person were canceled Biden was trying to do the best he could he used the zoom a technology for sending out your stuff and was live I think they tried to do a live and they couldn't get they just couldn't make it work the sound didn't work and then the worst part Biden didn't seem to understand that he needed to look at the

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understand that he needed to look at the camera because he starts wandering around he actually wandered off the camera he was holding his phone in his hand now now this part is not his fault exactly but it kind of is so the the sound didn't work the way it was supposed to with whatever kind of microphones they had set up so because it's zoom you have a second way to do it you can use your telephone as your microphone basically so you had Biden standing up they're holding his phone like this and talking into it but if you were watching it you'd say to yourself because you wouldn't know why he was doing that you'd say is that an old man who doesn't know there's a microphone and he thinks he's talking into his phone now it turns out he had to do it that way because of the technical problems but if you were just tuning him to watch it it would look like he didn't understand how anything work now that wasn't his fault exactly but he didn't he didn't make it any better so I really don't see how

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any better so I really don't see how anybody under the age of seventy could see that video and say well there's the guy you got to get more of that that's that's we want leading us in an emergency all right let's talk about China so there's and I need to I guess I need a fact check or a logic check on this because I have a point of view that I'm pretty confident in about that doesn't seem to make any sense which bothers me of course and it goes like this China's strategy against the Wuhan virus not a racist is it looks like they're trying to eradicate it in other words just stop it and they've done one heck of a good job it looks like I mean from the outside you can't really tell but from the outside it would look like they've done an amazing job you know given the size

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an amazing job you know given the size of the challenge and the size of the country and all that you know slow clap amazing great job rising to the challenge etc but there's just one problem their strategy seems to be to try to stop it but our strategy is to just slow it down how does our strategy live in the same world with their strategy because our strategy is not to stop it and our guys say that pretty pretty directly you have to you have to let it enough people get infected until it's hard for it to spread after that point so you protect the old people you you slow it down so the hospitals are not overwhelmed you let the the young people who don't suffer too much from it get it and then the old people can leave the house because all the younger people who might have infected them have you know enough of them have have gotten it and gotten over it and

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have gotten it and gotten over it and have some kind of immunity that that the old people would be safe so our strategy I'm no expert but based on what the experts say every day it looks like our strategy is not only completely reasonable but it's doable it's really hard but it's doable we're just going to protect the weak build up a herd you mean the immunity but how in the world is that compatible with China's problem China's strategy is to stop all of it they can't have one person in China who has this flu and it doesn't get immediately quarantine because it's going to spread so correct me if I'm wrong but because our strategy is guaranteed to work with some amount of extreme pain but it's guaranteed to work we don't have any doubt that when we get to the undefended enough people have

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to the undefended enough people have been exposed that will be okay that seems to be a solid assumption by all the experts now there's a rumor going around that you can be infected and reinfected and I would say that the experts are not saying that it was a rumor on the Internet but when you talk to when you listen to the experts talk they talk about herd immunity which means that it's not a case of once you get it you can get it a hundred times again so there must be immunity so I wouldn't believe the internet rumors that there's something unique about this particular one that it's the only one you can't get an immunity to that that doesn't seem to be demonstrated
but the point is if China the only way that China's strategy of eradicating it would work is if the rest of the world did the same thing and succeeded but they can't so China has a strategy that can't work what are they going to have to do when they realize that their

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to do when they realize that their strategy can't work they're just there isn't any chance it would work there's none it's not like it's a longshot it's a zero shot and I think every expert would agree with me on this I think every one a hundred percent would agree that it can't work so here's what's going to happen I think I think the United States is going to get ravaged but we'll pull through because we're pretty good at pulling through and when I say ravaged I mean most of you will won't even have anything except a few weeks off of work or whatever you know some some inconvenience but you know old people might be dying at a higher rate and you know it's going to press our medical staff and even convenience awesome you know whack our economy for a while but I think the United States has decided to pull off the band-aid you know what I mean like we have to get it to get past that I think the United States says all right

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I think the United States says all right that's our plan if there's only one way to get there well that's the way we're gonna go China seems to have picked a plan which for political reasons looks terrific so if you're the outside world and you're looking at China you're saying wow that's terrific China look at what you've done the sacrifice you've done and that's protecting the world and it probably is and by the way thank you China you know for again you know I'm not loving the government over there but it can be said that the individual Chinese citizens fighting hard to stop this thing have done a solid service for the rest of the world it wasn't their fault you know the average Chinese health care emergency person not their fault the virus got out there just sacrificing their life to stop it so thank you sincerely the governance another another question of course but it seems to be that China is going to have to adopt our strategy and when they

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have to adopt our strategy and when they do let's do some numbers let's say best-case scenario they can get it down to a 2 percent death rate now in other countries we can we have hope it could be under 1% South Korea maybe that will be our experience Italy is higher let's just pick a number let's just say that China could get it down to 2% but eventually they're gonna have to let people get it because that's the only way they're going to get past it so they'll have to give up on their trying to eradicate it and locking down everything they have to open for business eventually or else everybody will starve to death when they open for business it's going to go right back to where it was because it has to there isn't there isn't really any possibility China won't go right back to where it was right I mean seriously there's no possibility that it won't ravage the

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possibility that it won't ravage the country as soon as they you know stop locking people now so if it does they got what 1.3 billion people over there what's what's 2 percent of 1.3 billion yeah we're talking about world war 2 level casualties just in China and I think that's inevitable because again you know somebody says vaccine but the vaccines probably 18 months off and I don't know how effective will be and I'm not really sure we can make one maybe we can
can so is China trying to eradicate it until the vaccine comes out because they can't wait 18 months there's no way they wait 18 months I think they're gonna have to loosen things up in a month or two and then it's it's just gonna ravage the country again so I think the u.s. is going to come out better because our strategy is is better than

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because our strategy is is better than their strategy now maybe they had to do it the way they're doing it just to sort of slow it down and get a handle on it but ultimately they're gonna have to adopt our strategy and when they do because of the size of the population it's you know it could be a 40 million dollar forty million people dead in just in China now we might get it down to say 1% and and then we might have you know half a million 1.5 million at risk here as well but it would be the older people who we already know we're at risk now what here's some good news if you can call it that you know good news is relative but the world is a lot of countries are handling things differently which means that we have massive a be testing so we can look at South Korea and all the other countries and say alright what worked and what didn't work now that's a rare situation you don't normally have this many laboratories working simultaneously and

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laboratories working simultaneously and some of these laboratories are going to come up with good results and some are not so it's very likely that the result of all this different approaches is that we'll find one that works best people will know it you know because everybody is communicating and they'll quickly adopt the best practices at the moment we have pretty good practices but clearly given that everybody's doing things a little bit differently there is something that's a best practice we just don't know what it is yet we're getting close let me give you some examples so in China some of the things they're doing differently is they have portable CT scanners what where's my portable CT scanner I just had a CT scan I had to go to the office and get out of this big bed and it's got these you know things that pass over you and it's a big operation but China apparently has lots of portable CT scan equipment which

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of portable CT scan equipment which apparently is really helpful because they can scan you and I guess there's something visible the lungs that can confirm that the virus so if you have if you have a portable CT scan and as they do in China that's one of several ways that they have of testing now why is it we don't have portable CT scans in the United States that's a question for you why don't we have them or do we do we I don't know but I did a little bit of research into medical expenses some time ago when I was I was trying to understand for myself why everything is so expensive you know where where are all the costs in this this big you know budget of healthcare where's all the cost one of the things I found is that there was a story of somebody who had and I'm just operating from memory here so I probably get some of the facts wrong I believe there was somebody who invented an MRI machine that was like a

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invented an MRI machine that was like a tenth of the cost and red tape prevented him from building it and selling it that's right red tape and the United States prevented a guy from building and selling the device he'd already invented we know it works he built it he built it if it works it was like a tenth of the cost and he just couldn't do it because of the red tape now China's got all these portable CT machines that don't work as well as the the big ones but in a pinch they could at least tell if you've got some visible signs in your lungs fairly rapidly and my guess have no no reason to believe this is true from facts is just experiential I would guess this is true I'll bet we couldn't get that built in this country somebody says define portable that's a good question I was assuming it was you know a hand carried

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assuming it was you know a hand carried but portable might mean something else you're absolutely right it could mean you put it on the truck and take it somewhere you know it could be a bigger unit I don't know but the point is they have lots of them and they're portable I don't think we have that I would bet that that's something that the president could with an executive order meaning that there's something stopping those from getting built probably and it's probably the government all right so that's one thing the other thing that China is doing is temperature testing every time you you know exit or enter a building apparently so they must have lots of access to portable temperature taking devices I don't know if we have enough of those and they're doing that we're not doing that but it makes more sense that they're doing it because they're trying to eradicate it it looks like and we're not we're actually not trying to stop it that's a that's such an important distinction if you don't understand that in the United States

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understand that in the United States we're not trying to stop it just slow it down then you nothing else will make sense to you because you'll say well wire why are simply kids still you know why are we people going out in public if we're trying to stop it and the answer is we're not here's another one the in Germany apparently you know and this is information from you know Ken on the internet and some sources so everything I say on this should be subject to fact-checking but apparently Germany is recommending or or pushing pneumonia vaccines because if one of the reasons that people die is that the virus causes pneumonia and that's an ammonia that's the cause of death Germany seems to think that the pneumonia vaccine is helping now I don't know if I've had a pneumonia vaccine that might be another

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pneumonia vaccine that might be another one of the variables for example how many of the Italian senior citizens have taken the pneumonia vaccine I have no idea how many people in South Korea have had the pneumonia vaccine no idea how many in the United States I don't even know if I've had it because I'm over fifty so I'm a candidate for the facts for the vaccination I think my health care provider would have giving it to me No or do I have to ask for it I don't even know how that works so it's a big question then the other thing the China does is if anybody has symptoms they separate them from family immediately who we do that do you think we could put children in cages in this country I'm saying it in the provocative way but you see what I'm getting at right if the United States started separating parents from their kids it's

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separating parents from their kids it's gonna look like kids in cages pretty quickly but China's doing that if you've got the flu you're not going to see your family for three months they take you immediately to a quarantine type of place but again we're not trying to stop it here we're just trying to slow it down now I tweeted around a great article talking about the difference in the old people in Italy versus South Korea and apparently Italy's big problems I just have lots of senior citizens so you know it's it's no surprise that they had more deaths and problems in hospitals etc so I mean that might explain the entire difference between Italy and everything else but there might be one other difference in this country one of our biggest problems might turn out to be one of our biggest life savers which is in this country if

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life savers which is in this country if you're a senior citizen you're likely be to be turned down to pasture to go live in isolation by yourself and die in loneliness maybe you have a partner maybe you don't but in this country we kind of isolate to senior citizens they often have kind of lonely lonely lives is that the same in Italy not so I don't know and Italy are you likely to be living with your family if you're 80
that guy he was talking about my dad steps on I don't know how that was appropriate and then somebody says no visitors to nursing homes yeah I wonder if in this country we are socially so let's say hostile to our elder citizens which could not be more obvious than the fact that the was a boomer remover is a

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fact that the was a boomer remover is a hashtag that's trending literally the idea of you know culling the herd of all the old boomers the the young people are sort of celebrating a little bit sometimes privately sometimes not we have a weird culture where old people are disrespected and therefore put out to die in isolation could that help us I mean it's a horrible situation horrible but it might have something to do with why Italy has so much problems and maybe we would not we'll see the schools in my area closed have your schools closed so here's my question so yesterday I was saying what I really really really need just as a parent slash step parent I really need the government to issue some guidelines about what to do with the kids who are not going to school because the schools are closed can they play

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the schools are closed can they play with friends can they play with one friend if one friend comes over the house is that okay because remember we're not trying to stop it just trying to slow it down so my current thinking is that kids can play with friends while they're not at school but we should limit the number as if you can really do that because once they leave the house you know if a kid leaves the house it goes to a friend's house you have no control you know all of their friends could beat at that other house so it's probably going to be a lot of kids getting together but not nearly as much as if they were in school so it definitely makes a difference but what is the what is a guideline you know how many should you let your kids leave the house I need some guidelines from my government I saw a suggestion going around the internet which I embrace

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around the internet which I embrace restaurants are just gonna get just absolutely killed because restaurants seem like the kind of place you don't want to go when there's a flu epidemic peggy noonan tweeted and i think other people have this idea as well that you should buy gifts if you if you're in a position where your income is not going to go down because of all this stuff and a lot of people will be in that position so a lot of people if you work for a fortune 500 company you work from home but otherwise your income would be you know about the same so if your income is about the same and you were going to eat at restaurants but you're not it would be really helpful to the restaurant if you bought a gift certificate because it could help them through the through the tough times but in order to buy that gifts and see if it you have to walk into the restaurant most get in most cases so yeah that's sort of a trade-off there but it's not a terrible idea if we can find ways to help the local businesses you should do it so you know

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businesses you should do it so you know Ivanka Trump retweeted me yesterday my tweet about will see more human ingenuity in the next two weeks then you could imagine it will be breathtaking you know you're seeing it already but the the level of genius that is being applied to this is is a global level that we've never seen before I mean this is similar to the Manhattan Project on a global scale you know the Manhattan Project developed the bomb worked because the you know smartest people we could find were put in one place to do it but now the smartest people on the entire globe for at least smartness is a specific way are engaged in this this one tap we've never had this before and it looks to me like the the inventions the the thinking that comes out of this is going to be just amazing I mean it you know we could easily come out of this with the solution to coronaviruses which seems

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solution to coronaviruses which seems even impossible all right I guess for people at mar-a-lago have tested positive for people have been there at one time or another the president's doctor has now said that the president should not get tested and the reasoning from the doctor is that the the people that the president had contact with which were known to eventually test positive for the virus that those people were not showing symptoms at the time that the president interacted with them I don't know maybe we need to get rid of the president at this point I'll just complete the thought the entire expert community is telling us that people can carry the virus before they are symptomatic the doctors the doctors I'm sorry the president's doctor sounded like Joe Biden there for a moment the president's doctor is saying in public

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president's doctor is saying in public in the middle of the crisis the opposite of what the experts in this virus are telling us now I don't know how you can have confidence in your president if he doesn't get tested under these conditions because the whole point is he's trying to lead us to take extra precautions and he's modeling the opposite behavior it's the opposite of leadership I can't pretend he's doing a good job on this somebody says Scott did you block it bill Mitchell yeah I did Bill Mitchell is damaging the country with idea with opinions that are so dumb that they're dangerous I hate to say that because I I like Bill but until recently he was still saying is just sort of the common cold and or

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is just sort of the common cold and or he was downplaying it I think that was the wrong the wrong move for the country so here's the thing if the president got a test some people are saying Scott Scott Scott if he gets the test somebody's going to say the tests are are limited and so an old person couldn't get a test how selfish of you to take the test no they wouldn't no they wouldn't if the President of the United States gets tested were all just happy sure critics will find anything to complain about but even they won't mean it I'm not worried about complaints when you know the people complaining don't even mean it of course we want the commander-in-chief to be tested is there any question about that No now you might say to yourself but Scott I agree with his doctor that the the that the odds of him having it or so low that he's in the category that you should not get tested and that's

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should not get tested and that's actually modeling it correctly that if you don't have symptoms and you don't think you're going to have sometimes there's no you know you're you're not you're not immediately dangerous you don't want to test but that's that's just not exactly what the experts are saying at the moment the president's own experts were saying if you came in contact with somebody you should probably get tested and he's not and he's still shaking hands in public so if your president is shaking hands in public while telling you not to and your president is not getting tested while telling you that if you were in the same situation you should meaning his experts are saying that I don't have confidence in him as as a leader during this crisis I hate to say it I mean I've been his strongest supporter for a long time well no I'm not a strongest supporter so there are stronger supporters but you got a you know there's there's a point where the country is more important then

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where the country is more important then you just got to call it like you see it and I just it's hard for me to be political at the moment because it's life and death and at the moment he's not getting it done he is he's telling us stuff that just isn't true and normally I'm completely supportive of the president saying things that are not true nobody said that more than I have because it's usually hyperbole in salesmanship and you know what he's doing and and you know it's not important that he exaggerated something I don't care about any of that none of it but if he gives you information about what to do or what the government is doing during an emergency and it's not accurate well that's a problem you know once or twice she'd say you know if happened once or twice she'd say okay that's it's an emergency we're gonna make mistakes we'll quickly correct I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be bothered by a few mistakes but at this point it looks like you just can't do it sorry it looks like he's not up to it

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sorry it looks like he's not up to it now does that have anything to do with the fact that he's a certain age you know before President Trump ran I said clearly and often we should not be electing leaders of this age because even if they look pretty good at the beginning of their term you don't know
somebody says in all capitals Wow Scott Trump is getting tests in all capitals and shouting at me does that matter how does that matter to my point so the president's doctor just said today it's a it's a it's news today that his doctor said he doesn't need the tests so he at least needs to fire his doctor which by the way would give me confidence if the president fired the White House doctor and then took a test I would be so down with it completely down to that now I don't know if the

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down to that now I don't know if the doctor is to blame my guess is that the doctor is taking orders not giving them and again if it's true that Trump is telling his doctor what to say hey just say this and it's not what the doctor actually thinks is the best thing well then the doctor should be fired right wouldn't you agree if the doctor is is making a political calculation and not a medical one you should be fired I don't know if that's the case I'm just saying is it that's a hypothetical so but because it's emergency this next part is important I am quite confident in the experts I'm quite confident in our medical community and responders etc they're gonna have tons of obstacles but I'm very confident in our you know general capability as a country and I don't think that the president is making bad decisions that's important if you look at the actual decisions put pence in

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at the actual decisions put pence in charge you know throw money at it try things communicate you know close down travel if you look at the decisions they all look pretty good I gotta admit the decisions look pretty good so he says doctor Jude disagrees meet with me on this you mean on the testing of the president well here's the thing I think dr. drew would agree that the president falls into the category that the experts and dr. drew you can if you're listening you can contact me later and tell me if I'm wrong but I think it's true that the what the experts are recommending is different from what the president is doing that just needs to be fixed however you do it all right let's see you know I have I have this suspicion you know we're all we're all drowning in conspiracy theories and you know our minds our

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theories and you know our minds our imaginations are going wild but this whole issue of not enough testing in this country I'm not sure it's exactly the way it's being explained now I do believe that we wish we were doing more testing and we don't have enough we'd you know we weren't prepared and and all that so there does seem to be some mistake at the base of it but I wonder if the reason we weren't so prepared is that it doesn't make as much difference as you think it should let me say it this way if you have enough cases to determine that there's a virus and let's say it's a bowler or something like that and you've got enough tests you you probably you don't need that many tests because things like Ebola apparently we learn now you you can kind of isolate them and kill them entirely but the corona virus is not like Ebola and your odds of isolating and killing it entirely are basically zero so in

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it entirely are basically zero so in that situation which is different from other situations are the tests as useful as they would be now of course you need tests but does everybody need to get tested if your strategy is for everybody to get it I don't know I've got a feeling that the more tests we had the worse off we would be follow me on this you need some tests so there's some amount of tests that it could be a lot and it could be more than we have so you need some tests that's not in question the question is imagine if you could test everybody imagine it's just you know yet 400 million tests immediately and everybody could test one and throw one away and test again you could all test it was free and it was immediate and everybody could know would you want to do it not if the goal is to get it if the goal is to avoid it which is not a reasonable goal because it can't be done

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reasonable goal because it can't be done then having a test for every single person all the time would be great if your goal is simply to track it and manage it and flatten the curve and take care of the important cases take care of the vulnerable do you need to test for everybody even if everybody wanted one you're probably better off with some amount of testing but not universal testing because the government can't say directly too many ways hey guys we want to infect your children that's how we'll protect these senior citizens yeah yeah maybe some of them will get a second ID but we don't have any other way to do it everybody has to get infected so this is Mike you know semi conspiracy theory' thought which is there definitely was a problem I think that's clear so we needed more tests and we had but I don't know if we want everybody tested if your goal is to ever

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everybody tested if your goal is to ever for everybody to get it you don't want everybody hiding and saying I'll be the last one who doesn't get it I just put that out there so yesterday I was asking about ventilators and the access to them we've learned a lot since then but one thing I have not I have not learned and maybe somebody can tell me in the comments what's the difference between a ventilator and a respirator because I see both words being used as something that is necessary equipment for people who're who are in the worst situation with it are they the same thing here's a ventilator and a respirator the same so I don't know that but I asked about ventilators because I'd heard that word and and I asked this question why had there been no reporting on how many ventilators we have available in this country well as luck would have it Joel Pollak over at Breitbart did some

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Joel Pollak over at Breitbart did some investigative reporting on that very question and you can see his article in his Twitter feed or mine or at Breitbart and here's what we learned about ventilator companies so there are there companies that make them in different parts of the world but the United States has manufacturers who make ventilators and when Joel called you know one of the the big ones in the United States and said you have you know enough ventilators here's what they said and this is mind boggling and I don't I don't even know how to interpret this but the company that makes ventilators in the United States during the middle of a crisis in which ventilators or a shortage said that they're getting lots of calls and no extra orders what what I don't understand that how could how could the company that makes them in the United States and they said we're ready to ramp

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States and they said we're ready to ramp up you know we expect to we're all ready to go there are no orders I mean beyond the normal amount of orders what what's happening I don't I don't understand that now another thing I found out which might actually explain the other thing is that the United States is way better in having this kind of equipment so apparently part of the and the heating and here's my problem that I don't know if ventilator and respirator are really the same thing so I guess I need to know that respirators incubate ventilators need intubation ah okay so it looks like the ventilator maybe they need to stick a something down your throat and the respirator is just the mask is that it so so apparently the

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mask is that it so so apparently the executive order or the emergency thing allows a lot of ventilators that might have been you know in holding for military and other purposes to be available so and then I guess from said that we ordered some more but perhaps not from this one company so it could be that there's some other source and Joel talked to somebody who didn't get the big order but why not so it could be that our experts have looked at the the lay of the land and said you know the ventilators in this country won't be our big problem maybe we're going to find out pretty soon so thank you for the answer that the the respirator seems to be the mask and the ventilator I think they're putting a tube down into your lungs a more aggressive approach I think that's right but again you'll need to check that with

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so that's a big question but I also saw that there was some data that 31 and 32 people somewhere my dependently died after ventilation so the thinking was that they're using the ventilators to keep people alive a little bit longer but they actually just died anyway so it could be that we don't need that many ventilators because they don't work that's that's possible and I don't know if the president ordered respirators or ventilators I thought he ordered respirators but I might be wrong about that so there's some uncertainty here but the question but the the point is that we appear to have capacity so in this country there's at least smart people seem to think that we can get enough ventilators and respirators because we're starting early enough to do that might be right could be right but congratulations - Joel Pollak who I believe is the only person who reported on this I've not seen any other report

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on this I've not seen any other report that actually talked to the manufacturers and said can you do this and apparently we can all right this other question that is nothing but gray area and bad reporting so help me out with this why is this story not clear yet we've had plenty of time and the story says that apparently there was some kind of pandemic team or pandemic office in the administration that under Trump's administration was closed and then there's a thought was well if we had that pandemic department still up and running we would have gotten going faster communication would have been better and we'd be in better shape and I think it was John Bolton who might have been in charge now the president acted like he didn't know anything about the story which again makes him look like he's not up to the job of managing this crisis and I just could be honest about it that it's one of the biggest stories

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it that it's one of the biggest stories in the country that this department was closed on to Trump's administration in ways when he was asked about it he acted like he didn't know this story maybe I mean if he didn't know the story that's the problem and if he didn't know the story and he lied about it that's the problem so that that's not good but I don't know the answer to the story either and I haven't seen reporting here's what I'm gonna guess so the way it's reported is that there was this department that would would have been useful in the pandemic and it got closed presumably for budget reasons now in the real world let's say if you've had any experience in the corporate world what do you say about that what is the context that is probably missing but we don't know so without reporting we don't know but don't you think there's a little context missing about the department that got closed don't ya all the people who have big company experience know where I'm going with this it probably wasn't

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going with this it probably wasn't closed just guessing if it's like every other corporate situation in which I have been involved it probably wasn't closed it was probably replaced or those duties were taken on by another group or it was merged and their name disappeared and maybe some of the staff left because they didn't want to work for the new group or whatever but do you think it was this it was as simple as they decided they didn't need a pandemic team maybe I mean that's possible I'm not gonna rule it out but don't you think we need some reporting that tells us why John Bolton made that decision we can find John Bolton right all all that the news sources in the world we can find John Bolton and we can say hey John were you in charge of that group you know the president isn't up to date on it but why did you make that decision why is that not in the news are you telling me that there's no Democrat who

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telling me that there's no Democrat who wants to track down John Bolton and embarrass him by asking that question of course there are why don't we know that what's going on here why don't we know that's really worrisome so you know with Joe Biden being the likely nominee you have to ask yourself what would it take for President Trump to lose an election to a man who is obviously brain dead yeah that's an exaggeration a person a candidate who obviously has severe mental decline how can you possibly lose an election to that well I think we might find out because so far the way so far the way Trump has managed the crisis and I'm only talking about the communication part I'm still happy with the decisions actually I even you know

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the decisions actually I even you know with mistakes I'm fairly forgiving in emergencies about mistakes if we quickly adjust incorrect so I think I think the president's decisions as far as I can tell seem to be really good and maybe better than other countries especially in closing the airports early but his communication on this is is so like astoundingly bad he's just mismatched for this specific task it could cost them in the election easily it could easily cost him the election I would recommend he take himself off the field wouldn't you if if I could recommend to the president how to handle this situation I would tell him to just stop talking in public about any details of this situation he should stand up there so we know he's engaged you should say Mike Pence's dude with a great job he should say we'll get this done he should tell us what we should do but he shouldn't answer any questions about tests or China or pandemics or you

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about tests or China or pandemics or you shouldn't tell us he's a super genius because he's genetically similar to somebody who learned it in school you gotta just maybe stop talking in public about this so I would like to see him get tested and say I didn't think I needed to get tested and my doctor said I didn't need to get tested but the public is asking for it and for the benefit of the public peace of mind I'm gonna get tested and then just sort of remove himself from the communication channel but you know stay as the leader we still need to see him every day still need to say no he's engaged but he communicates so poorly on this I think he needs to take himself off the field yeah and you can imagine how difficult this is for me to say right I've spent three years of my life say he is the best communicator you've ever seen in your life and I stand by that for all the political stuff but this this very unique situation he probably needs to take himself off the

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probably needs to take himself off the field for just the communication part all right that's all I got today the dunning-kruger effect this is hi here today yeah it really is I certainly don't exempt myself from that criticism due to just looking at your comments I want to see how this went over you are depressing to listen to anymore maybe you should be present yeah you know it's it's a tough balance isn't it yeah you can't really you can't really be happy during you know during the middle of crisis but we're also human and sometimes things do strike this is funny and sometimes we just have to laugh and sometimes a little gallows humor is what you need now I want to reiterate and I'm probably going to say this maybe every day I might say this every day during during the crisis my personal

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during during the crisis my personal crisis management system and by the way I recommend that you have a system not a goal if your goal is to not get it you're thinking about it wrong you should have systems in place that and the systems could be what do you do you know if there's a shortages of food so you know build a little system put in some stockpiles etc there should be some systems in your house for example I have implemented the wash your hands when you enter system that's pretty obvious one right when you enter a house it doesn't matter if it's my house you know and or some other house whenever you enter a space you wash your hands as the first thing you do when you enter the new space that's a system the other system I have is for building of my immunity because my assumption is I have a high higher likelihood of coming in contact with it and I'm gonna be ready so I'm building up my immunity and doing

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so I'm building up my immunity and doing a heck of a job I must say pardon me while I pat myself on the back good job Scott I would recommend that you build the system for your own immunity so here's what I do I'm never gonna skip a day of light exercise yeah even if I have to do it at 9 o'clock at night I will never skip a day of light exercise emphasis light exercise during this next year I'm not going to try to build muscle I'm not going to try to run a marathon because when you do those things there's at least some part of your day where your immunity is low because you're sort of exhausting yourself do you don't to get to the next level don't exhaust yourself a key thing you need to do is get plenty of sleep and don't exhaust yourself so that's part of my system every day light exercise little light weights sometimes every other day and eating right and I'm

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every other day and eating right and I'm even staying away from foods that have you know inflammation properties somebody says you're obsessed with this it's nuts well that's a block when people say that somebody is obsessed or they're panicking we don't need that because you don't know my state of mind and I don't need you characterizing it as a obsessed or panicked or depressing or anything else all you know is what I say so I would recommend to you because my state of mind I have to tell you is quite excellent because I've done such a good job taking care of my body that my mood and my my sense of well-being is may be higher than it's ever been which is weird so I feel just just in a normal way just sitting in a chair and any given moment I feel great

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chair and any given moment I feel great and it's because I've done everything right you know sleep exercise eating right avoiding stress just doing it all right that's my system so I plan to get the coronavirus and and I'm not joking when I say I'd like to get it over with I'd kind of like to get it over with so you know I'll give you some herd immunity if I survive I'm in the high-risk category because of over 60 and I've gotten some asthma but I plan to beat it and I plan to be part of I think of all raava can't was tweeting that we may see and what did he call it the immune core so he joined the according to temporary name for it the immune core the people who got the got the corona virus recovered have some immunity they will be like gold in the future it's six months from now which would you rather be somebody who got it and recovered and six months from now or

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and recovered and six months from now or somebody who didn't get it yet you know you know what I'm talking about right you'd rather be the one who got it and got over it six months from now because if you're still hiding in six months and worried about it it's just not going to be fun so the president's strategy the CDC strategy doctor ouchies strategy I'm fully embracing get really healthy and by the way ouchy says this too this isn't me talking this is the best experts in the country telling you to take care of yourself it's never been a national priority and the other time that you took any other time that you selfishly took care of yourself it was a little bit selfish wasn't it wasn't it you know looking out for your own health getting enough it's a little bit selfish but not today today it's not selfish you are all part of this giant experiment well it's not a

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of this giant experiment well it's not a test this is this is the real thing you are all part of this fight against this virus and you need to be as strong as possible so build up your immunity so that you you're not one of the ones overloading the hospitals build up your immunity do it somebody says you can have opinions but not us well let me clarify you can have all kinds of opinions and I welcome them and I and I like the opinions have reasons the opinions that will be unwelcome our mind-reading if you have an opinion about what I'm thinking you're welcome to it certainly if you have an opinion a private opinion about what I'm thinking internally that you couldn't possibly know you're welcome to that opinion but if you say it in public I'm gonna block you cuz it's stupid you're totally allowed to have stupid opinions privately I just don't want to be exposed to them if it's a stupid

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exposed to them if it's a stupid depending about what's in my head you could have stupid opinions about other things as long as you show your reasons I'm ok with that all right do we know you can't get it once you've had it I mentioned that earlier but it's worth mentioning again because other people have come on here the experts are talking about building up a herd immunity the only way that you could have heard immunity is if in general you can't get it more than once now is it true that somebody could get it more than once up maybe could be but in general that's not a thing otherwise we would not be trying to build up a herd immunity it wouldn't make sense
somebody says why not get the flu now before hospitals get overwhelmed well you're reading my mind there I think you're reading my mind you don't want to be the last person to guess it well the last person will be fine you don't want to be the one in the middle because they're young there's gonna be a

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because they're young there's gonna be a wave so you want to be one of the first or one of the last and one of the last would be pretty good because you know then they figured it out and they're past the bump thank you
but for the benefit and let me be really clear about this if I were being selfish I would actively infect myself that's the most selfish thing I could do get it over with you know maybe I died maybe I don't but I'm gonna get infected anyway I figure and I would rather do it now before the hospitals are overwhelmed so if I were going to do it for selfish reasons I would actually be looking for it I'd be go hanging around those nursing homes not really but you know what I mean but if I am being a team player what is best for the team is that all of us fight like mad weasels to avoid it because that's really just slowing it

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because that's really just slowing it down and slowing it down is what we're really trying to do so for the benefit of the country I'm gonna try to avoid it but that's not what's good for me so if it makes you feel better don't be the one who's afraid of getting it fight for the country the world really fight for the country just to not get it right away fight hard to not get it right away but what's good for you missed again it honestly it's the best thing that could happen to you just to get it and get over it so don't worry about getting it that's sort of the good news in this bad news world we're living in at the moment the last thing I'm worried about is actually getting it but I'm gonna fight not to all right somebody says should I postpone dental cleaning well I've got a few very minor you know surgical things coming out really writer and I think they'll be postponed but I don't know yet I'm gonna check on that today have you stopped smoking well I don't smoke tobacco never

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smoking well I don't smoke tobacco never have but I do smoke marijuana for medicinal purposes I am NOT yeah heard the impact of marijuana smokers and the coronavirus we may never know that because I doubt anybody will study that for a while maybe someday but here's what we know and dr. Julie if you're watching this you might want to turn this off you probably want to turn this off you'll never talk to me again marijuana has different effects on different people so there's nothing that anybody tells you about their experience with marijuana that you should generalize to yourself it could be good for one person bad for another I don't recommend marijuana under any situations except a doctor so if a doctor tells you it's a good idea to take it you should my doctor did you know I have a doctor for this and it's a

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know I have a doctor for this and it's a real doctor yeah it's not and I do it I don't do it to party I don't do it for fun and I do it I do it because it has benefits and here's one of the things I don't know how it responds ibill this is to say I have to have to pause for a moment and check myself because there are things you would say when it's not a corona virus or Bergeon see that you know it's a different situation yeah you have to modify your communication a little bit I'll just say this I'll just say this because it's true alright so this is not an opinion just some facts and do what you will with it marijuana is a vaso vasodilator it reduces inflammation has a lot of you know health benefits that's why people do it in part the studies have shown that people and I think only in one study I know of studied people who

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study I know of studied people who smoked marijuana every day versus people who didn't smoke it at all and the paradoxical finding is that the people who smoked marijuana regularly had healthier lungs than people who didn't smoke at all and of course people who smoked tobacco were the worst of all now could you rely on that I don't think so I don't think you could rely on that
but it you know but it is a fact all right it does make sense if I were a doctor and let me let me let me be more responsible here if I had to give you advice and I won't because I'm not a doctor it doesn't make sense that you put any smoke into your body during a coronavirus situation so probably you know if I were a doctor I'd say don't go

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know if I were a doctor I'd say don't go anywhere near any smoke don't go anywhere near any pollution keep your lungs as clean as possible because you're gonna need it so that's what I tell you but nonetheless it is true that in at least one study marijuana smokers had better lung function than non-smokers take that with a gigantic grain of salt the odds of that being reproducible 50 percent at best so it's sort of a coin flip there all right so if you're playing a safe don't smoke marijuana though there's your medical advice if you're playing it safe don't smoke marijuana all right how is that possible you were cherry picking yeah no I am cherry picking I'm cherry picking one study but there are any other studies so is that cherry picking if there's only one study because there there are other worries about health

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there are other worries about health consequences of marijuana they just weren't as relevant to the coronavirus conversation somebody says that counters all logic yeah you know the if the counters all logic that a marijuana smoker would have a better lung function one of the hypotheses that was given is that the the actives because with with marijuana you you inhale it and you hold it that you're actually doing lung exercises by inhaling deeply and holding it on a regular basis you know if you've ever heard of the William HOF method of breathing it's not like that but the but there there's certainly good evidence that doing breathing exercises in which you take deep breaths and hold them and then release them slowly might have medical benefits to your lungs and elsewise now here's the trick the CBD and the unique quality of marijuana has

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and the unique quality of marijuana has some weird combination of things that are probably bad for you and things that are weirdly good for you and science I think is still a little bit confused about that mix because if you're saying hey isn't smoking your lungs bad for you I would say why would think so I mean logically but yet marijuana smokers don't get cancer at at a rate that's higher than anybody else why not they're filling their lungs with smoke but they don't seem to get cancer so explain that it probably has something to do with this CBD all right Andrew Gilliam yeah I'm not talking about that story too much because that's more of a personal personal situation so Andrew Gilliam I think his political career is over that feels that feels safe to say but he's got a personal problem that's not

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he's got a personal problem that's not that's not our problem stop this craziness which craziness and in particular Scott did experts say get tested if you come in contact with somebody with virus and showing symptoms well my understanding is that your doctor gets to decide if you get a test and so you go to your doctor and you say hey I I was hugging somebody who had the virus but they didn't show any symptoms I think your doctor would probably say good a test you know I think if you came in close contact let's say you have a you know and there are lots of variables let's say you have elderly parents living at home and you go into your doctor and you say you know it's sort of a it's a gray area here I I was in the room with somebody who later was confirmed to have it I didn't shake hands but I was standing you know within six feet doctor should I get a test

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six feet doctor should I get a test doctor says do you have any elderly people at home you say yeah my grandparents are over 85 and 86 I think the doctor would say well you know normally I'd say no but you've got a special case a little extra risk because of the seniors so let's test you so if you're asking me should you test in this concrete situation versus this concrete situation I would say there's no such thing as a concrete situation because we're all in different circumstance and your doctor can help you sort that out I would think you know I've seen more bad thinking about this crisis than just about any other topic in the world it's kind of crazy yeah I guess we're starting to see it in Africa there was some thought the heat was killing it maybe that's why Africa was going to do okay

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okay I had a nagging suspicion that Africa was fully infected or was in the process of getting fully infected and maybe they just weren't testing for it so they didn't know so my guess is that it's going to be plenty bad in Africa I hope not
not but that's my guess all right all I got for today I will talk to you tomorrow