Episode 823 Scott Adams: Fareed Zakaria Calls Bernie’s Climate Plan “Magical Thinking”, Daytona 500

Date: 2020-02-17 | Duration: 45:57

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Daytona 500…Nobody puts on a show like President Trump! Did Bloomberg call farmers morons? Out of context statements Fareed Zakaria calls Bernie climate plan “magical thinking” Is CNN signaling they won’t back a progressive? Iran President says discussions with US could happen Democrats can’t seem to meet their own standards

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oh hey everybody come on in it's time it's time for coffee with Scott Adams the best part of the day yeah it's gonna be a good one today partly because it's always a good one and partly because it's Monday that our Monday is wonderful just keep telling yourself that until it's true but you know if you want to enjoy coffee with Scott Adams you need to also enjoy the simultaneous sipping you don't need much to enjoy it no you don't all you need is a cup or a mug or a glass a tanker chalice or Stein a canteen jug of flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure they don't put me in hitter the day the thing that makes everything better this simultaneous sip go breathtaking I know you feel the same so quick update the

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you feel the same so quick update the corona virus is in 24 countries ish couple dozen and nearly every continent and still still I think we're waiting fact check me on this but I think we're still waiting for our first non-asian death now I'm not saying there having been Utley but I am saying I haven't seen your reporting that would suggest there have been E and it's getting kind of obvious that that's not happening so keep an eye on that I'm not gonna I'm not going to I don't want to start a rumor by saying it can't happen or that it won't happen but it's been a while you know that virus has been making the rounds and I'm gonna be scratching my head if we don't hear a report sometimes of somebody who wasn't it you know compromised you know if it 80 year old dies from the flu that doesn't count eight-year-olds can die from the bad

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eight-year-olds can die from the bad cold so we're still watching to see if there's something unusual about this virus that would suggest it's not like other viruses you all saw the news yesterday I can't think of a better a better signal that things are going well in the United States than the fact that there was so much news about the president making an appearance at the Daytona 500 now say what you will about this president I know a lot of people don't like him a lot of people do but no matter which side you're on you have to have to admit nobody puts on a show like this president and I would go further and say nobody has ever understood better the the political and functional value of the show it's not for nothing it's not it's not a coincidence that leaders like to put on the show and I

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leaders like to put on the show and I think if other leaders were capable of putting on the kind of show that Trump can put on reflexively I mean he he puts on the show even if he wasn't planning on it everything he does seems to be interesting but it was just amazing yesterday I mean he if you saw the news coverage you know what I'm talking about he starts by flying Air Force One kind of low over the crowd come on that's just so great you're running Air Force One like directly over the crowd yeah that's just that's just great showmanship then of course there were was it the Thunderbirds they did a little show too you know that makes you feel oh the military and gives you that that that rush so you're seeing the the president's plane you're there for this motorsport your your your body is just you know raging with anticipation you see the Thunderbirds I mean he's it's like every every emotional chemical reaction you would

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emotional chemical reaction you would want it was all captured in that and then they throw on a bunch of obviously patriotism the Pledge of Allegiance did they do the pledge or just national anthem but the point is this was the most American situation you could ever have and then and then they let the president's car nicknamed the Beast do a few laps come on come on nobody thought of that before now I have to wonder if the president was in that car I hope not right and I also hope the president wasn't in the Air Force one when it went directly over the crowd I'd like to think that the Secret Service took a man of those things but maybe left the suggestion that he was still in there because it was more fun but for safety reasons I hope he wasn't in the car when it was going around the track and I hope he wasn't in the in Air Force One when it went directly over the event but maybe he wants who knows I saw that the

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maybe he wants who knows I saw that the military now has a laser beam that shoots down drones have you seen that it's a truck-mounted I don't know where it's in use but it's been invented and there's a video of it in action as for shooting down the small drones so it's not for the big the big a rocket jet type of drum and I don't think he shoots those down but you could have a small swarm of smaller drones coming towards you and this laser beam just heats them up and Fries them in the air and I saw it to take out three I don't know if it did it quickly enough but certainly work at least on the video anyway so that was a gigantic homerun so here's here's my thought experiment about the Daytona 500 do you either Bernie Sanders or Mike Bloomberg pulling off what the president did yesterday you can't imagine it can you because they would be such a fish out of water but

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would be such a fish out of water but you take president Trump and you drop him in the middle of the biggest you know NASCAR I guess that's NASCAR right I don't know anything about racing into that environment even though he grew up a rich kid in Manhattan he fits perfectly right isn't that weird that you can take somebody you shouldn't be able to fit into that world and you plop it right into the middle of it not only does he fit but they hail him as their king you know figuratively speaking so now imagine Bloomberg or Bernie doing that you can't do it can you no no I know what you're gonna say to yourself sure but there are places that you know president Trump can't go and maybe you know there are neighborhoods you wouldn't want to go that maybe Bernie would so there's that but here's the thing you can also imagine president Trump in the room in which is the the only white guy and everybody else is an African American citizen because you've seen

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American citizen because you've seen that you've seen it a bunch of times it's usually associated with Charlie Kirk or Candice Ellen's and some kind of you know young black conservative group but we've all seen the footage now does Trump seem comfortable and fits in perfectly with a roomful of young African American citizens well if you've seen the video you know the answer is yes yes he does he fits in perfectly he looks like he's having a great time like genuinely he doesn't look uncomfortable he looks like he's having a great time they're loving him he's loving them it's a big little love fest now who else can you imagine just this is just a mental experiment take any of the Democrats and plop them in those two environments well you could see Bernie doing well with an all-black crowd Bloomberg not so much but as you can't see either one of them dropped into the

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see either one of them dropped into the middle of a NASCAR event and feeling like these are my people yeah we relate we're on the same page so it's quite remarkable and I think that I've said this since the beginning but I think that historians are going to be way kinder to President Trump than the current coverage does anybody anybody agree with me on that because I think when you look back on it you're gonna say my god how did he he fit into these completely different American cultures these subsets how does he fit them all like it's like this an old slipper like he can just put his foot into any group any fits you saw him with you know you see them with rich people and socialites and you know billionaires and you say to yourself yeah fits perfectly Trump in a room full of billionaires fits perfectly you can actually take that man and put him in any environment

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any environment now did you happen to see Mike Bloomberg recently had some event and of course Bloomberg is suffering from the accusations of racism blah blah we'll talk about that in a minute but he has he's introduced by an african-american women who for the purpose of the story you have to know is a large woman all right because that's unfortunately that's part of the story because she was sort of large for a woman this is not any kind of an insult I'm not sliding or I'm just painting you a picture here and Bloomberg is smallish for a man so he gets the benefit of an african-american woman giving a full-throated endorsement to him bluebird it does that's good that's a good optic and then Bloomberg gets on stage and he tries to give her an awkward stage hug and because he's smallish and she and again this is not any kind of a disc that she was a larger

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any kind of a disc that she was a larger woman you can picture in your mind right it was just the most awkward he tried to put his arm around her but he was kind of small and he couldn't couldn't pull it off so blue Berg couldn't even look comfortable with one african-american woman who just had just complimented him on stage he couldn't pull that off you've seen Trump do it you've seen Trump do it a lot of times he can pull that off because he can pull off apparently being comfortable with anybody and by the way that was my experience when you know I talk about it too much but you know I got to meet the president in 2018 and got to chat with him a little bit the immediate my most immediate reaction is that he he made me feel comfortable in the Oval Office think about that think about being invited because this actually happened to be invited to the Oval Office sitting there across the desk from the President of the United

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desk from the President of the United States and not even just an ordinary one we're talking about in the most colorful famous president of the United States will ever have probably sitting across the desk at he Bay and me feel completely comfortable like I was just chatting with a friend now I assume he can do that with everybody because you know we hear that but it's a remarkable talent Bill Clinton had that you know a lot of politicians fat I'm sure Obama had it but I don't see that with Sanders and I don't see it with Bloomberg exactly they seem a little uncomfortable with the common people if you know what I mean all right most of the news seems to be taking things out of context and pretending were bad about them so there's two stages to the most common story we're going to hear between now and Election Day somebody said something in a different context we're gonna take it out of that context and then we're gonna pretend we're really mad about it but

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pretend we're really mad about it but not really because it didn't bother us before so probably shouldn't bother us now so let me give you some examples so there's a video of Bloomberg talking to some some group in which he is making the point that it's not difficult to be a farmer or well not let me put it in two different words it's not difficult to do the a lot of the tasks in farming such as you know planting and watering and and picking crops but his larger point was supposed to be that people are going to need different skills in the modern world and farming was a relatively low skill task in the past but we might need higher skills now nothing about that is controversial right did I say anything you don't agree with of course you agree with that of course you agree that some types jobs have different requirements for different kinds of skills nobody disagrees with what he was saying but

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disagrees with what he was saying but once it's taken out of context from whatever small group he was talking to and you just throw it up there as an insult to farmers it kind of looks like it insults the farmers doesn't it it kind of looks like he's calling them morons doesn't it but was he did he say anything that a farmer would disagree with well if you're talking about the farm employees not the farmer who actually has to be half scientist and businessman and you know if you're the owner of the farm you're managing the farm you need a lot of skills a lot of skills yeah everything from you know you've got to know enough about animals and veterinarian things and crops and fertilizers and you know it's pretty complicated stuff but if you're just working on the farm you might have one task that you do all day and doesn't require a lot of training so I don't think there's even a farmer who would disagree with what Bloomberg intended and I don't think anybody was

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and I don't think anybody was necessarily put off by it when he said it originally because it was a message that he tailored for whatever group he was with apparently he didn't think they would be bothered with it and they probably weren't or at least not much but here's the rule that I would like to see become a thing I don't think it ever will but this is a rule I'd like to say that when somebody's statements are taken out of context and developed and delivered to a new context in other words from that small gathering to the entire public in the context of the presidential campaign I don't think that the person who said it should be responsible because the person who said it said it in a specific context and I think in this case Bloomberg is a hundred percent responsible for the communication to that small group where he said it so if any of them were offended well I would say that would be between Bloomberg and whoever was offended if anybody but whoever it was and and lots of people were involved in

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and and lots of people were involved in this but whoever it was who took that and moved it to another context I believe there the author at that point now I know nobody's going to agree with this because we have too much fun taking stuff out of context but in my opinion the author of the offensive Bloomberg statement is not Bloomberg once you've taken it out of context because you've changed the meaning that's you you the messenger who took that and altered its meaning by changing his context I think you're responsible for it there's nobody else who said it all right let me give you some more examples that Bloomberg also said there's another video of him was again a small group and he was saying he gave an example of a 95 year old who says she has cancer and he was saying that maybe we just we should say there's nothing we can do for you because even curing the 95 year old would put them through presumably a year of unpleasantness their life is probably not so spectacular at 95 maybe we should be

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spectacular at 95 maybe we should be looking at just letting people die with you know some dignity on their own terms he didn't say any of the words I'm saying exactly but the point of it was that if we want to get to I assume this was the context if we wanted to get to a point where everybody could have affordable health care we might not want to spend so much on these lost causes basically people weren't going to make it anyway and it's not even going to help them now how many people disagree with that some some I think there are plenty of people would say no you're gonna you should always fight as hard as you can for life no matter what but what if you have you have you have to pick your you have to pick your battles what if it's a triage situation and because of limited resources you can either help the 95 year-old with cancer or you can help the 25 year-old who would go on to live a good life if they got the right health care I think he's saying nothing

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health care I think he's saying nothing that any of us really disagree with if we were having a private conversation but once again Bloomberg made these comments in a context in a small group I don't know if anybody in that group was offended by it because probably they were on the same page but somebody took it in context because it's a political season and I think whoever took it out of context has to answer for it I don't think that's Bloomberg's to answer and of course you know I'm just living in my own fantasy world where anybody would ever agree with what I just said because I don't think any of you and I don't think any of you are going to agree with it to the point of making it your normal way of thinking and acting I don't think that's gonna happen I see some people agreeing in the comments and a conceptual level here's another one Rush Limbaugh he said quote this is Rush Limbaugh I don't when he said it but recently America is not ready for two gay guys kissing on stage or something like that and of course

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like that and of course Rush Limbaugh is and accused of being anti-gay but is that what he said is that what Larissa because I'm reading the sentence and I'm thinking Rush Limbaugh didn't say that was his opinion in fact it's unambiguous he says America is not ready now that's a that seems like it's just a fact you could check right okay you just check that fact is America ready for LGBTQ president and apparently there's a survey that says seventy eight percent of America says they offer so 78 percent of the country says yeah no problem LGBTQ president no problem but that leaves a big percentage of people who were not ready according to the poll if 22 percent say hmm not ready now I disagree to them because as you know you've heard me talk about this I'm not

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you've heard me talk about this I'm not only ready but I think we would come out ahead if we could get that LGBTQ president sooner or later doesn't have to be Pete but sooner or later I just want somebody who's you know who is publicly LGBTQ I think we've had probably some gay presidents in the past it would be fair to assume that that's true I think we're better off if we can just set the example that that's not a limitation for public service we'd all be a better country for that but let's look at rush limbaugh statement he says America is not ready is that in the context of a presidential race if a current poll says 22% of the country and I disagree with that 22% but they say they're not ready isn't that enough to justify what Rush Limbaugh said I'm just a fact check all right now I don't just being as clear as I can I wanted lgbtq president eventually but

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I wanted lgbtq president eventually but I think rush limbaugh a statement is perfectly factual that America has a little problem with it I'm not even sure that's anti is that anti LGBTQ yeah it looks like just a statement of the fact about something you could pull and then it confirms it oh well so that's sort of it added context thing then of course there's all the Bloomberg stop-and-frisk stuff you know that's taken from a context in which a lot of smart people who meant well thought it was a good idea and thought it was working today in 2020 we don't think it was a good deal so again taking that you know what we thought in a different context and moving it to the present it's a little bit unfair I would judge him by his current point of view
and then Bloomberg is also being criticized for saying that this is words

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criticized for saying that this is words that are putting into his mouth basically saying that the banking crisis of what 2009 could have been averted if if banks had had being able to discriminate more against black and brown people according to Elizabeth Warren that's how she's interpreting Mike Bloomberg is saying that well according to Bloomberg we could have avoided that banging banking crisis if we if banks had made fewer loans to black and brown people so that's Warnock using Bloomberg is that fair does that fair no I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of nuance in the whole you know who gets alone and how do you do that but I certainly don't see I just I'm just now seeing that criticism that's valid all right because I don't think she's characterizing Bloomberg correctly now listen otherone do you remember when Trump famously well let me put this in new context you remember when Trump

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new context you remember when Trump called the the some of the country's s whole countries you remember that and that was in the context of a small meeting in which I believe everyone understood the context to mean that there are some countries that are going to be here if you let everybody send whoever they want there are some countries who would send people who don't have education and don't don't speak English and wouldn't be able to contribute as much as other countries were we're more easily going to bring least economic value into the country now of course I got taken out of context and when you hear that out of context it sounds like nothing but racist so let's talk about for Reid Zakaria this is where I'm heading with all of this all right so all of that was a lead-up into this topic so you probably know Fareed Zakaria from CNN and other places and he's one of the most interesting thinkers out there I've been a fan for a

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thinkers out there I've been a fan for a long time and what's interesting about him is not only that he's extraordinarily good at explaining complicated things he's really gifted at that but he seems to be an independent thinker you don't hear exactly the same things coming out of his mouth a year from others indeed he has called himself a centrist and he has two opinions that I've never heard from the same person and I want to see if you agree and this is really a sign of somebody who is is flexible and nimble and able to break out of there mental bubble alright so here's two opinions that Farid has one is that the president is a big ol racist because and his example was the reference to the the s whole countries and who were mostly black and brown and he he talks about the Muslim ban the so-called Muslim ban which is more technically a ban on

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which is more technically a ban on countries that don't have good identification processes which turned out to be mostly Muslim and he was complaining about Nigeria being added to that and of course the official reason is that Nigeria is one of the countries that doesn't do a good job identifying people so we don't know what we're getting but according to for read Nigeria we also have a national strategy of getting closer to them and building that relationship you points out that that's a conflict you know how can we be banning their immigration and also trying to be you know more of a trading partner and all that and sort of conflicting which is fair but it's afraid goes he puts together the s whole comments and the so-called Muslim ban that isn't really a Muslim ban and decides basically the president's a big old racist okay but in the same the same show the same day I think this was

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show the same day I think this was yesterday he comes out against Bernie Sanders green new deal and calls it magical thinking and goes on to say that if you I'm paraphrasing your but saying that if you didn't allow gas natural gas and you didn't allow nuclear to be part of the solution there is no way that anybody knows how to get to you know a carbon-free you know situation by 2030 which is what bitna Sanders is saying so in the clearest possible terms for Reid is saying that the green new deal as Bernie sees it and prices it and anticipates it is magical thinking he actually calls it just a fantasy and and asked this provocative question are we afraid we being I guess the Democrats are they afraid that Sanders won't get elected or they afraid that he will it's it's I've never seen such a direct broadside in completely rational

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direct broadside in completely rational and reasonable terms against the green new deal on CNN have you now you've seen I think you've seen you know CNN allows the occasional you know conservative pundit to come on and get in a few words but have you ever seen an opinion person or a main employee of of CNN just come out and say the green New Deal is a fraud that's my word fraud but that's basically what for Reid is saying is that it's it's magical thinking it's nonsense and there is no way it can be done now who do you know who holds those two opinions that the green New Deal is nonsense but also that there's evidence that the president's a big ol racist I don't know anybody who also has two opinions they they just don't travel together so this is one of the reasons that Fareed is so interesting because he's not trapped in a bubble and this made me curious about his background so I went to a Wikipedia I assume it's

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I went to a Wikipedia I assume it's accurate enough for our purposes I wanted to see what kind of background he has because you know I wrote the book loser think about how people can't escape their mental bubbles unless they've had a broad exposure to the thinking styles in different fields and when I watch for Reid talking about let's say economic issues I'm always impressed that he gets it right which is unusual if you watch anybody talk about economics on the news that they might get some part of the story right but then he go uh you're leaving out the important part but if you see for Reid talking about something that's complicated and involves economics you wait for him to leave out the important part but then he doesn't he mentions the important part importantly so he seems to have like this comprehensive view of the field that's unique but here's what I didn't know about him I didn't know that he I guess he comes from a Muslim tradition so I don't know the

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Muslim tradition so I don't know the details I don't know which family members are practicing Muslims but it comes from a Muslim dominated culture but he is not a Muslim except culturally I guess so he's not a believer of the you know all the details of of Islam so he doesn't practice but that's that's his heritage is that the right word I don't know so I ask you this if you were for read and you know you've had that heritage that background that was sort of your family connections and your history what would you think of President Trump banning mostly Muslim countries from coming in I'd like to think I could look at it objectively just like I do now but I don't know that I could I don't know that you could ask somebody who actually is Muslim or has a sprit you know a close connection to them to look at the soö countries

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them to look at the soö countries comments or to look at the ban on immigration and to have a different opinion so as an observer it looks to me like you suffering from a little bit of TDS but it seems really limited to that category and there's a really good explanation for it which is if you're being honest if you're being honest if you were in his situation and your family and friends and your background and everything came from that culture and you saw a president who seemed to be pushing back against that culture or it looks like it or as close to it or it seems like he's not saying the right words or talking about it right you'd probably say that president was a racist that doesn't mean you're right but if you put yourself in his shoes you can see how he could hold these two opinions at the same time and be a reasonable person at the same time all right so here here's what was amazing about this I'm so curious about CNN's editorial

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I'm so curious about CNN's editorial process when you see for Reid I'm you know he's a major major talent on CNN when you see him say that bernie is just full of crap him and his green new deal is a fantasy and it's the primary I would say it's literally the most important issue and he's just saying it's nonsense does he check with the boss first that's a serious question did anybody look at his commentary besides you know maybe a producer or something but did Jeff Zucker know the Fareed was going to essentially endorse the president's plan for climate change I mean he didn't say that but he he did say we shouldn't be discounting gas and nuclear power and that's pretty much what the Trump administration is doing about climate change if you can call it that so my guess is they probably didn't I can't imagine that every every opinion

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I can't imagine that every every opinion piece goes past the boss but I do imagine that all of the talent s CNN have some idea of what they can get away with and what they can't and we're all human so no matter how independently we think you're still gonna give the boss what the boss wants in your best opinion of what that is and I would say that CNN is clearly signaling especially if you ever see more of this I'd wait for another confirmation somebody else to say the same or similar but it looks like CNN is signaling that they're not going to back the progressive let's say a warrant or a Bernie or somebody who's too far left I think they're signaling that that wait for a little confirmation a little early but it's starting to look that way so who would see and then back if they had their choice it's kind of a problem because they don't seem to love Bloomberg Bloomberg looks like he's just a you know Trump light it's I don't see

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a you know Trump light it's I don't see CNN backing Bloomberg he's got too much baggage that's a problem for the the Democrat brand and for CNN's brand what about Pete I think that Pete Buddha judge is the closest to CNN's brand but I don't know if he can win so if you see them seeming to lean toward repeat I feel like that's when they've admitted they're not going to win because I think they need to stay at least true to their brand and to their you know to their image and true the Democrats etc but I don't know that Pete could win because he doesn't have enough black support but at least CNN could maybe help him try to guess on so maybe there's a path there for him anyway and somebody else in mentioned that Bloomberg is literally the competition for CNN how could CNN want their competitors

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how could CNN want their competitors their competitor to win the presidency I'm pretty sure CNN doesn't want Bloomberg a news agency a news news competitor to to get that I'm gonna make a prediction that if mayor Pete gets the nomination and I'm not predicting you will by the way so this is an if prediction if he got the nomination that he would evolve to be more Pro nuclear evolve so so most it's not uncommon for people to evolve toward the center once they get the nomination and I think Peabody jej who I believe he's been a little timid on nuclear I think he wants to maybe keep the ones we've got but not build any new ones I think he would evolve toward let's must be a little more serious about building new safe ones once he got nominated so here's a good example of the bubble when Fareed

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good example of the bubble when Fareed tweeted his own story in which he was calling Sanders out for his magical thinking on climate change so Freed has 945 thousand followers on Twitter when he tweeted it out a few days ago he got 54 retweets now you spent any time on Twitter you know that if somebody who has nearly a million followers tweets something out and only gets 54 retweets that is not a popular message so for read taking on the magical thinking of Sanders on the climate change just died so then I tweeted out the same content so but I tweeted it out you know directly from the link I didn't retweet for read I tweeted it originally my tweet got 192 retweets in one hour all right I've got three

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one hour all right I've got three hundred and eighty something thousand so I've got I know something like 40% of the number of followers as read by his side doesn't like this message we got 54 retweets in like 3 or 4 days I got 192 in an hour so you can see the bubble in those numbers right so because the people that I tweet to of the people who follow me were receptive to that message they were like yeah let's hear about let's hear about somebody knocking Sanders but when Farid does it no retweets nobody wants to boost that signal so so here's the thing for Reid and CNN's message is getting will probably get I don't know something like 5 to 10 times more attention on the pro-trump side then even on the CNN's base followers so there's your buffle right there so let's talk about the peace around the

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so let's talk about the peace around the world so there's a alleged Afghan peace deal that people are talking about and some people say it's optimistic and some people say it isn't but there's anybody really care about Afghanistan anymore it I mean I care that we have troops over there and it's costing us money but I don't feel like I care that much so who knows if that's going to work out but it's good to know that there's something like peace conversation coming on the Iran peace deal there's nowhere and peace deal but President rouhani ever in is talking about hey we could we could negotiate with the United States they would just have to agree that we're gonna get back to the nuclear deal we had now that's some interesting framing isn't it given that that we just took out their top general I mean think about this this is remarkable it's fresh news that we just killed the number two or I would argue

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killed the number two or I would argue he really was the number one guy in Iran because he had the weapons which was Salah many just weeks after that the president of ran is saying oh yeah we could talk with the United States we you know we just have to have this deal structure and I'm thinking what in what world does this make any sense how do you take out one of their top not one of but the top general the the main military guy how do you kill him publicly brag about it and then the president of ran you know after their little slap back which unfortunately did lee sooman some head injuries which i think we should be concerned about but it was a very muted response compared to what it could have been how do we explain that rouhani is talking nice after we just killed their general how do you explain that now of course we're not going to

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that now of course we're not going to buy back into the old nuclear agreement but the fact that he would but even that he would even suggest a completely rational starting point not that we should agree with it but it's a rational thing for them to put out there I feel as if they didn't want solemn any either because everything we've seen after he was killed suggested they wanted him gone right because their their pushback was purely symbolic we even though there were injuries which is tragic and I don't see a lot of reports of them do more terrorists acts maybe they are weird I'm not hearing about it so there's something going on there that doesn't make sense but it looks like a good sign and of course the israeli-palestinian peace deal is floating around most people think that's not going to happen but I think it already did happen I think Israel floated a plan or agreed with the United

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floated a plan or agreed with the United States on a plan that doesn't require the other side to agree so I would say that you don't have to wonder if there will be an israeli-palestinian peace deal because it's just the current situation you know the deal that Israel is offering is the one they're just going to take they're just going to define their borders and act like the deal is done and then the Palestinians can do whatever they want to do they can agree to it they can not agree with it's just nobody nobody cares so it's this weird situation where Trump has made us simply sort of not care and then North Korea I would argue has become irrelevant from from being the biggest threat we had to being yeah they don't seem to be wanting to kill us and I don't think they don't think we want to kill them or at least we're not working on it so we could kind of ignore each other for a while that seems better than where we were so

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that seems better than where we were so we have this weird situation where there's a whole lot of sort of talking about peace and and the the emphasis of conversation seems to be on more economic security issues where they need to be all right so the funniest thing that's happening recently is that in the in the age of Trump Trump came up at a time when the Democrats really really gather around the idea of intersectionality and you know divisive racial and gender attacks so their entire attack against Republicans but mostly Trump was that he was a certain kind of guy and they were or virtuous they were the good ones and he was the bad one and that works until you have a lot of people running for the Democratic candidate to see ya there

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Democratic candidate to see ya there until you have a primary because when the primary started that all the people who left turned their guns on each other and said what kind of weapons do we have and they realized they kind of only had one weapon they they didn't have anybody making good economic arguments really but they have just accusations of racism and sexism so they turned it on each other they turned all of their weapons on each other and in so doing they've proven that they can't they can't pass their own standards now think about that what kind of impact does that have on the the the thinking of the public when we watch the Democrats who had a set of standards which you could argue were holier than than yours in other words yeah we we'd like to be this super inclusive place like as an ideal you know we'd like that that

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ideal you know we'd like that that sounds good but when you put it into practice you know beyond the obvious stuff that you have to get right you know you can't discriminate on jobs and cetera but once you get the obvious stuff right and you're getting into more the opinion and the subtlety and the built-in stuff and it's not so obvious and it's it's you know background racism and it's you know that sort of thing once you get into the opinion part of it it falls apart because there's no standard that you can agree on and then they can turn those weapons on each other so I think the one of the weird accidental outcomes of this this race could be that the old way of attacking may give way to something more reasonable and maybe Fareed Zakaria is is ahead of the pack there because he's making an economic argument and in making an argument against Trump that I think I think he is at least rational I mean

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I think he is at least rational I mean they could try being rational for a while all right I think that's all the fun we're having for today you know people keep wanting clover char to to suddenly make you know the the surge to the top of the pack so she's done she's done a great job I would say that I could say I have a lot of respect for Club HR as a as a politician I think she's done a really good job with what I call that The Tortoise strategy of just staying out of trouble and letting everybody else assassinate each other in the primaries and by simply not having a gigantic flaw and everybody else does all the other candidates have you know they have lots to offer but also gigantic flaws and since the primaries are mostly about people getting hammered from their flaws she's kind of flying flying under the into the radar a little

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flying under the into the radar a little bit but she's so unexcited I mean she's super uninteresting and maybe we're in it we're in a period of the world where you just have to be interesting maybe it's not an option anymore all right so we'll see what happens and that's all for now talk to you tomorrow