Episode 779 Scott Adams: Coming in HOT, With Coffee

Date: 2020-01-06 | Duration: 44:14

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Ricky Gervais Golden Globes monologue Michael Moore’s letter to the Supreme Leader of Iran Anti-Trumpers continue to fear imaginary futures Who and how many, did NOT join the Soleimani mourners? Could the Palestinians be offered resettlement in Iraq? 60 Minutes report on Epstein proves it was suicide Also 60 Minutes: Psilocybin cures addiction and anxiety

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hey everybody come on in here it's time for coffee with Scott Adams sure it's no Golden Globes and I'm no Ricky Gervais but it's something what else you gonna do watch the news stare at the wall no you're here because you want the simultaneous hip and all the goodness that comes with it there's a lot of goodness and my goodness there's a lot of goodness and all you need is a cup or a marker glass the tanker gels are signed a canteen Joker flask well that's a little any kind fill it with your favorite liquid you know what I like I like my coffee enjoy now for the unparalleled pleasure the dopamine the other day the thing that makes everything better the simultaneous it go oh the goodness is permeating my body sue I know what you want to talk about you all want to

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you want to talk about you all want to talk about the Golden Globes and Ricky Gervais is for those two people who don't know the news Ricky Gervais was the host of the Golden Globes which he said it would be the last time you do it and then he took advantage of the fact that it was the last time he would do it to get pretty brutal with the Hollywood crowd now I gotta say I don't think his jokes were clever but they were super mean and the the funny part was just that he was saying it to their faces and it made them since their uh Nathan's sit there with a camera on them squirming so we don't need to repeat any of the jokes because frankly the jokes were not that as strong but the but the way he did it was actually very entertaining because it was more about making them uncomfortable with the camera on them and man he did that he delivered that if you want to see celebrities looking uncomfortable watch that video so I could not like

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watch that video so I could not like Ricky Gervais any more than I do meaning he's just one of my favorite people so what else happened the funny thing was the Ricky Gervais is called out the the actors for being the least informed yeah and most ridiculous citizens who have who barely gone to school and yeah it's exactly what the public thinks now of course the the funny part about it is that now he'll be called a a right-wing nut because he was making fun of left-wing people but trust me he he doesn't go easy on the right either so he's pretty brutal to both sides which is what makes him wonderful
now i-i've been kidding for the last several months especially since my book loser think came out that artists are the least capable of understanding their

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the least capable of understanding their world because they live in art world where everything's meaningful and everything follows a story arc and you know so they live in this artificial world of imaginary stuff and they don't really have in most cases training as scientists or economists through lawyers or or people who learn to look at things objectively so the funny thing is that it was a collection all in one room of the least capable people for understanding any issue really literally all the least capable people were put in one room and then they turned the camera on and they say okay least capable people give us some opinions in public and I don't know about you but when I would I listen to their opinions it's kind of funny this is just me and it doesn't even matter who it is or what their opinion is when it comes from the people who are just artists that's the

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people who are just artists that's the only lens they have onto life it looks just kind of funny because they're so poorly informed haven't thought anything through you know don't see long-term ramifications it anyway it's just funny speaking of funny celebrities Michael Moore apparently wrote a you wrote a letter to the Supreme Leader of Iran thank God were you a little bit worried that World War three was gonna break out well you don't have to worry anymore because it turns out that Michael Moore has surrendered for you so Michael Moore told her an that we surrender no he didn't say that he said quote I am asking you to leave this up to me what this letter to the supreme leader hey Supreme Leader leave it up to me I'm Michael Moore I got this sure you have the Revolutionary Guard

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the Revolutionary Guard you've got proxies you've got Hezbollah but you don't have Michael Moore leave it up to me I'll take care of this now what he means is I'm assuming he's not talking about assassination I think that he means that he wants to help but get Trump not elected and he says give me all of ten months and I and millions of American will remove Trump from the White House so am I wrong the he took sides with Iran kind of I mean it's not as clean as that but one of the things that used to always be true is that when the United States got any kind of a defensive or warlike footing people would you know most people would join in and at least for the period of the highest danger people sort of be on the same side of America but Michael Moore

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same side of America but Michael Moore has decided that he could run things a little bit better here so he's going to take charge of the country and you just leave it up to him he says he'll he'll you'll organize all the Democrats and Trump out problem solved so good job there Michael more saving the world from World War three okay
what are the biggest problems that the anti-trump er have had since since he got elected really since he got sworn in is the lack of anything that looked like what they thought was going to happen in other words Trump didn't do all of the horrible things that they expected to happen but they're sure they're right but how how can they still be right about everything they predicted about Trump when none of the present information seems to support it and the answer is they have decided that

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and the answer is they have decided that his real problem is not what he's already done the real problem is imaginary future stuff because at the moment if you just look at today it appears that you know Trump took a major terrorist off the field but the real problem is what's gonna happen next so they would like to remove the president for imaginary future problems now when I say imaginary I don't mean that I know what the future will look like and they don't I'm saying that neither of us know what the future will be I don't know what it's gonna look like you don't know what it's gonna look like I don't know if it's gonna be better I don't know if it's gonna be worse but I do know that the future is imaginary meaning that it hasn't it hasn't happened and it only exists as a sensation in our minds and there's half of the country has decided

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there's half of the country has decided that they're the imaginary future problems are now so great that this president needs to be voted out or impeached so Pelosi siding with Iran sort of has decided to I don't do some damn stupid thing legislatively or at least a declaration by declaring the attack provocative and disproportionate so it's a resolution I'm sorry it's not legislation it's just a resolution and it's one that as Joel said in Breitbart it invites international prosecution of the president for war crimes because the whole dis provocative and disproportionate it's the disproportionate part that is the war crime problem I would say that Nancy Pelosi has not taken the interest of the

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Pelosi has not taken the interest of the country in mind because here's the thing I believe she is trying to keep the president from starting a full war what how can you prevent somebody from starting a full war when their entire thing is to prevent a full war it's like it's like she's trying to let's say prevent ice from freezing now that doesn't work I'm trying to think of a good analogy to explain that but Pelosi I lost my train of thought there but she's not helping definitely not helping
here's something that CNN said today on their website is in an opinion piece and it's one of their opinion people who does a daily anti-trump article and today's daily anti-trump article is Collinson I think is the name the Trump

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Collinson I think is the name the Trump administration is already in danger of losing control of a swift chain reaction and political storm unleashed by skilling if Iran's top General isn't that an imaginary future problem that were in danger of losing control of the Swiss chain reaction aren't we always in danger of losing control does that ever go away is there ever a time when you're not in danger of losing control well I think so I think we're always in danger of that so imaginary future problems are quite bad we're speaking of imaginary future problems for the people who think that Salamone should not have been killed I would love to hear them describe what they think the future would turn into under their preferred plan so let's say that their preferred plan is that we didn't kill him and we don't do anything militarily we just sort of try to you

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militarily we just sort of try to you know tri-state try to stay uninvolved what would that look like well number one Iran would develop a nuclear weapon now apparently there's some disagreement about whether they were abiding by the Iran nuclear agreement according to Israel they were not because Israel found a trove of documents in Iran that showed that there that their development was ongoing so we have documented proof that they cheated why would we expect them not to keep cheating because I'm pretty sure that the inspectors never had access to everything they had access to what they knew about but they don't have access to everything of course so if you were against the president's action what do you think the world would look like without it and also what do you think it looks like with it because

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you think it looks like with it because if you can't sort of game that through why do you even have an opinion because we're talking about the future the imaginary future tell me what the imaginary future looks like under both scenarios one where we act tough on Iran and one where we don't because it seems to me that Iran would continue doing what they're doing kick the u.s. out and Israel would eventually have to take them out because Israel doesn't seem to want to live with a nuclear Iran so that would happen and do we believe that the Iranian Revolution would be limited geographically because all the evidence suggests that they're trying to spread the revolution as far as they can so I just like to hear what somebody says look like if we didn't do that all right let's talk about the crowd sizes so you've seen all the pictures all the people who went to mourn Solomon a-and

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people who went to mourn Solomon a-and it was miles and miles of people I think Millions so it was an enormous outpouring of outrage but here's the thing the two things you need to know number one how many people didn't go how many people didn't go in the streets because I'm sure however many went there may have been a lot of people didn't it's sort of a hidden Trump voter problem if you were one of the people who opposed the regime would you necessarily go out in public probably not I mean they have had some protests but they seem to be on other topics fake to the missile launches I don't know what that means somebody's saying something about faking missile launches so we can't really tell anything from the crowd sizes because you don't know the context you don't know how many people did not March and what did those people think because I

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what did those people think because I don't think anybody's saying that a hundred percent of Iranians wanted this guy dead nobody made that claim because there's not a hundred percent of Iranians who want any one thing they're all over the map just like everybody else and as was pointed out to me just before I got on periscope somebody was messaging me and pointed out that there's a let's say a social element to this in other words having gigantic outside demonstrations with morning and yelling and stuff is a cultural thing so if you're looking at how many people have showed up in Iran to shake their hands and yell death to America you can't really compare that to some other country where it's not normal to get out there and shake your hands at the sky and say death to America so there's something about the culture that gets people in the streets for lots of stuff they did it for Obama apparently they did it for this this was

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apparently they did it for this this was bigger than most but you would expect that so we don't know what to make of that I got a question for you is there any reason that the Palestinians couldn't be resettled in Iraq now I don't mean carving out like their own little territory but rather just if Iran if Iran wanted to help the Palestinians and it didn't look like there was any practical way that they would get back to Israel and reclaim their their homeland or something if you believe that couldn't happen and of course it can't what would be the next best thing because if the Iranians really want to help the Palestinians and that seems to be one of the big stumbling blocks wouldn't it help them to allow them to move to Iraq and again distributed you know just basic immigration they would end up wherever they ended up so you wouldn't have to carve out territory but suppose suppose we made some kind of a grand a middle-east deal to avoid war in

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grand a middle-east deal to avoid war in which part of these resolution was the Palestinians don't have to move they could stay where they are and you know conditions might not improve there but suppose you gave them an offer and you also funded their move I don't know what it would cost in the Middle East let's say you know some group of countries got together and said you know just to lower the temperature over there if anybody is in the Palestinian area they want to move to Iraq this would be a good time to do it we'll give you a little money for the for the move and then you'll just be in a place that's growing because the Palestinian territory may never grow somebody says like an Indian Reservation no nothing like an Indian Reservation because I said specifically then they wouldn't be moving to a specific area where they would all be in Iraq I'm just saying they could emigrate they would just have the right to emigrate that's all now obviously

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got a call from Canada hello thank you for choosing master alright the candidate calling it doesn't belong to Israel is really shouldn't even exist so somebody well that's maybe the dumbest comment anybody ever said I hate to call you out there in public but so somebody said the land doesn't belong to Israel of Israel shouldn't even be there that's like the dumbest comment you could be right you could be wrong completely irrelevant because Israel is there and they're not going anywhere right it doesn't matter they should be there what the hell the difference does that make you know your opinion of where people should be has no bearing on reality whatsoever here's what I think I think you should be in Canada yeah that's what I think I don't approve of you being where you are you should be in Canada why would you care about my opinion about where you should be why would anybody care about anybody's opinion about where they should be they

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opinion about where they should be they shouldn't um so it would be great if you could go back in time be a time traveler maybe you could change things that would be terrific and when a time sheet time machine is developed then get back to me once you've fixed everything okay but they're there now they exist now they're not going anywhere it's not gonna change you have to deal with the reality as it is not not the imaginary imaginary a reality there's still question the Democrats were questioning how imminent the attack was from Psalm na and and Iran totally irrelevant questioned wouldn't you agree completely irrelevant how imminent it was if we know that he's created a track record of continuous badness what would make us think it would stop there's no evidence that he was going to stop

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evidence that he was going to stop because he'd been doing it for a long time of course he wasn't gonna stop why do we need to know how imminent it was I mean it would be nice it'd be cool to know but it doesn't make any difference the imminence of it is completely irrelevant next week month from now six months from now if summit you know wouldn't you kill a terrorist if you thought that next year he was gonna kill somebody if he if he knew that he was planning it of course you would doesn't matter how imminent it is you'd kill him if you knew the plan was there if you could let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein did you all see the 60 Minutes reports or at least see the pictures on it the 60 minutes report proves it was suicide does that your take from it 60 minutes report this is this is just my interpretation of it proved beyond any doubt in my mind that it was suicide here's how how many times if you heard

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here's how how many times if you heard the story from the the coroner who was not who was not assigned to it but he was the expert coroner who observed how many times have you heard him say that the only way those broken neck muscles could have happened is by murder because that never happens with hanging yourself how many times have you heard that like a million times right and it's the best evidence of all the evidence that would be the strongest evidence a credible coroner who says no this kind of injury only happens for murder that's very credible right except finally and I've been wondering where this was finally 60 minutes goes to the actual coroner who was in charge and says apparently says to them oh I'm sorry forensics person would that be the right name for what they were doing and says the person who actually performed the autopsy and says to that person how often if ever do you get

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person how often if ever do you get these broken bones for a suicide and the guy who actually is expert enough to do the autopsy in such a high-level case said oh yeah that happens what so we have two completely different expert opinions one says oh yeah those bones could break from suicide and the other says can't happen one of them is being paid to come up with a certain let's just say he's biased by who his client is which is Epstein's brother so one of them is biased but he's also a very qualified expert one of them probably is not biased in the sense that I mean he was just doing his job right he wasn't working for anybody except the public and he would have no reason to have the wrong answer unless you imagine he got bribed or he was in on it or something so that was the main thing I wanted to hear I wanted to hear some other expert a forensics pathologist

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other expert a forensics pathologist tell me that the other coroner is wrong that you can break your neck bone by suicide but that's not the proof that it was suicide here's the proof that it was suicide and you're gonna be mad at yourself if he didn't think of this you ready all right so so I'm going to tell you why the 60 minutes report proved it was suicide and right no blood on the sheets right and so he says are you kidding now I'm not and when I tell you the proof you're gonna be pissed off they didn't think about it yourself here it goes there were multiple nooses so there was more than one noose and there was also a piece of fabric that had torn there was up in the top of the window so I guess the windows had some kind of wire or Barham and at the very top at higher than the top of the bunk bed there was a piece of fabric that had been tied there for some purpose presumably to hang himself but you know

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presumably to hang himself but you know it was a it was cut so it's just a little bit piece left now let me ask you this yeah you just figured out what's happening right well let me pull it all together if he were murdered would the murderer bring multiple nooses to leave in the cell if the murderer wanted to look like a suicide would they bring more than one noose not in a billion years somebody says yes no they wouldn't bring multiple nooses and leave them there because multiple News's says says that it just just nobody would do that it just would be too smart for somebody to do if you wanted to make it look like a suicide you want to get in and out as quickly as you can one noose if you were trying to kill yourself might you have a few

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kill yourself might you have a few different uses that you had fashioned before you decided which one to use and the answer isn't very much so you definitely would so when you see one of the nooses and it has no blood on it but yet there's blood around his neck what does that tell you it tells you it tells you that he didn't use that news that he used something else so there was also apparently an electrical device for his sleep apnea they had a power cord if I had to guess that seems more likely but let me tell you a little little jail information that you didn't know you saw the news I guess we're a few of them and they were cloth and yet you saw what looked like a smaller literate ligature on his neck so it didn't look like cloth could have created that you know the type of injury had to just didn't look like a cloth injury here's what you don't know when you hang yourself with

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don't know when you hang yourself with cloth in a jail you you wet it so you wet the cloth to make it small and stringer so if you want to hang yourself in jail I've been told you don't do it with a dry noose you do with the wet one so you can really get as small if he'd hung himself with a wet wet cloth News it would have been tighter and it would have left a mark closer to what you saw now we don't know if we saw the actual noose that they think was the one to kill them you know maybe that's in evidence somewhere but the point is it would have dried so they would have seen a by the time they got there the noose would have been dry and it would look like it was a bigger claw thing and you would have said how could that create that but if it hadn't been wet wet and twisted or something I don't know exactly how they do it so and then

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know exactly how they do it so and then there was also remember the piece of cloth from the high window if you were going to murder somebody would you come into the cell murder him and then put a little piece of cloth tied to the top of a window I don't think you would why would you do that that would be sort of a waste of time you might put him in a noose and you know hang him from something if you could but you wouldn't put a little piece of cloth up there would you so here's my guess of how he killed himself and we could find out this is not true I have always said that he jumped off the top bunk because every time you hear the story of how he killed himself they act like he tied it to the bottom of the bat and then leaned forward on his knees or something and I don't know that feels like not the best way to kill yourself but it also wouldn't break your bone but where he had the thing tied was that a high window that was higher than the top

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high window that was higher than the top of the bunk if I were going to kill myself I would get on the top of the bunk tie it to a little higher place and I would jump off the bunk with my you know knees up so that it caught me on the way down now it might have eventually you know broken the broken the thing orbit or he might have tried twice it's also possible he tried more than once so we'll see anyway I've concluded that it was suicide and the multiple News's pretty much that's all you need to know I think and the fact that that bone can be broken by suicide the 60 Minutes also covered a way more important story one of the most important stories in the country at least as important as Iran and that is that mushrooms magic mushrooms you know the psilocybin the psychedelic mushrooms 60 minutes is all in basically they didn't have a criticism whatsoever

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didn't have a criticism whatsoever saying that psilocybin was something that could cure addiction super and they had stories of people who took one dose one time of psilocybin and stopped smoking somebody quit drinking and I'm talking immediately like as soon as they were done with the trip that was it they were done with their addiction and other addictions opioids and other things now what's the biggest problem in society right now the biggest problem in society right now because most things are going well and I think Iran will be limited in scope as well the biggest problem in the whole country is addiction I would say addiction and anxiety those two things psilocybin fixes both of them for about two-thirds of people or something it's got a really high success rate now I

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got a really high success rate now I knew about this a long time ago that one of the people who you see in the show I'd talk to him privately a long time ago and so I I'd been up-to-date on this maybe five years ago or whatever it was but it's the most important thing in the country and the fact that CBS is sort of blessed it and apparently it was Nixon who made all this stuff illegal you know when he cracked down on drugs and a lot of it persists as being illegal here's the thing this is such a big issue the addiction and anxiety and all that and there is a cure and the only thing that's keeping this country from curing its biggest problems is the government that's not that's not an exaggeration and the government is preventing it without a even an argument there's not even a debate there's no two

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there's not even a debate there's no two sides to it the science is unambiguously oh this stuff helps not just helps we're not talking about aspirin helps we're talking about rewiring your brain instantly I mean over the course of a few hours instantly and the only thing that's keeping something like a third of the people in this country from getting their biggest problem in their life cured is that the government is incompetent on this topic other topics as well and I will go so far as to say that if let's say Buddha judge will just use him as an example if Pete Buddha judge came out and said one of my main things is I'm going to be looking to legalize psilocybin to battle addiction and some mental health things that's such a big issue that if Peabody judge said that I'd have a tough time not supporting him for president I really would because frankly I think things you know

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because frankly I think things you know I think that Trump has fixed enough stuff economy looks great you know we'll we'll probably finish up our trade or negotiations which everybody thinks was worth doing at this point I got a feeling that Trump would never do this I can't imagine anti-drug Trump being Pro psilocybin now if I had time to talk to him about it or somebody who knew sat him down and went through the whole thing maybe I mean he's he's he's intellectually flexible used to be a Democrat now he's a Republican so I think he could be convinced but I don't think anybody's doing it and I'll think it's gonna happen so if if somebody on the Democrat side said they were going to champion that cause and I thought they could actually succeed at it you'd have to look at them seriously as a president because that's that's bigger than any other issue it's bigger than any other issue that Trump hasn't already solved right you

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Trump hasn't already solved right you know you don't have to resolve the same things you've already solved and I'm always a big proponent of you don't need the same president forever because as the problems change you need a different you know a different employee for different kinds of problems I think Trump was kind of perfect for a certain set of problems such as negotiating with China maybe dealing with North Korea I think he's gonna succeed in Iran but it's too early to say but maybe the next set of problems is different and maybe maybe you need somebody else for that just putting that out there it was fascinating to listen to the people who had had these mushroom experiences describe them because you can't really describe them I've told you before that once in my twenties early twenties I had one experience with psychedelic mushrooms and as I've often said it was the best day of my life I hate to say that you know what it was and

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that you know what it was and fundamentally changed who I was who I am I guess it forever changed the way I see the world changed the way I process everything changed the way I filter everything and all for the good there wasn't a not a single I can't even come up with anything that would look like a downside it was the most impactful useful completely good thing I've ever done now I don't recommend it because if you take a bad batch or there's something different about you and you don't have medical supervision it's a very bad idea to throw some yeah especially if it's a piece of mushroom how do you control the dose you know the way I did it was I had some that was from exactly the same bunch that some other people had taken the night before so at least I had the benefit of knowing that they took this much the night before from the same bag if we if I take this much I'll be fine because they were all fine and that's what happened now

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all fine and that's what happened now one of the things that they describe is losing your ego and there they all sort of use that language they say under the psychedelic experience your ego shatters now I've called the ego death and I don't know that there's any way to explain that to someone who hasn't experienced it as I have but I've often said that the secret to success is ego death and probably mushrooms are not the you know psychedelics are not the only way to accomplish that I I always recommend that you put yourself in embarrassing situations and maybe even some minor dangerous ones because if you can learn to think past protecting yourself that's that's at least a little bit similar to really say your ego but I would put it this way you notice how we all see the world through a filter of ourselves you know when we're navigating through the world everything starts with us and then we interpret the world as

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us and then we interpret the world as how it relates to us because we're important and everything revolves around us when you take mushrooms you lose that so you lose the fact that the that the preferred point of view of reality is you rather you just see the stuff it's just the stuff without you being important now there's no way to explain what that feels like but I can tell you it changes everybody forever and it allows them to get rid of anxiety allows them to quit addictions allows them to just sort of enjoy the world now if I had to guess why this helps you with anxiety and why it helps you with addiction is that the biggest problem in people's life is their ego your problem is not the stuff around you it's how you process it right and unless you have a physical health problem or you desperate poverty you know there are situations

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poverty you know there are situations that are real but beyond that if you just have a normal life and a job and a life and you still have anxiety or you need you all you need to do drugs it's because there's something that is important to you they need to feed and that thing that's important to you is you your ego once you lose that as important you can just enjoy being because it's it's not you you're trying to protect you're just part of the whole and once you can enjoy being part of the whole and you can let your ego die your anxiety goes away so too apparently does your need for drugs and alcohol and cigarettes because you've already satisfied those needs by getting rid of your ego there's nothing left to protect there's nothing to feed there's nothing to drug there's nothing to change it just isn't there so somebody says there's no magic cure well it's you against science

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well it's you against science so that's a that's a brave stand you're taking against every single test every single study I hope some of you saw on my dr. Drew interview if not I tweeted it last night so you can see it in his feed dr. drew or mine so we had a long conversation I think you'll like it did I laugh a lot yeah there's it's sort of nonstop humorous when you're when you're loosening somebody says lol now do the risks okay so the risks if based on 60 minutes is that some people had what they call a bad trip but apparently nobody had anything that lasted so as far as we know the risks were zero based on all science all experience anecdotal all scientific as far as anybody can tell the risks are zero and I don't know

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tell the risks are zero and I don't know if anything else is like that now you have to assume that there must be somebody in the world who would be worse off because that would be true of aspirin it would be true of eating peanuts it would be true of a lot of things so there's always somebody who's allergic to something has a bad reaction to something so if I told you that there's nobody the world who could ever have a negative permanent experience with mushrooms I'd be lying because seven billion people in the world there must be at least one of them who's wired in a way that one trip might might break their brain all I know is that I've never heard of it in my entire life I've never heard of it happening once with mushrooms other things may be different all right somebody said I've had a terrible trip on mushrooms yeah so there are reports of people who had bad trips on mushrooms so that's the thing but there's no lasting damage it's just a few hours you wish you hadn't done it's not addictive

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wish you hadn't done it's not addictive I did it once and like I said it was the best experience of my life by far it's not even close to a normal experience and I've had no real no real impulse to do it again you know I I do have some interest in DMT and some other some other things like that but I'd only do that under the right supervision right situations I had one out of many good so oh there's somebody here who has done it many times and grows them at home
somebody said how do you know that everyone is different how do I know what I said everyone's different I said what you said twice is better than once I don't know I don't know if you need to do it more than once to get the benefits because I think the people who got the

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because I think the people who got the benefits somebody says don't do DMT well you know I don't recommend anything to anybody so if you're not doing it with medical supervision don't do it did you have a chairman shaman present not what I did it no it was just recreational
I've had 7050 on shrooms i don't know what that means my cousin went full schizophrenic it can trigger latent mental illness well you know here's the thing I hear lots of stories of people who took a drug and it could be a different drug I've heard it from marijuana to meth to hallucinogens and I've even heard it with inoculations vaccinations so there are lots of stories of people who were perfectly normal until they had marijuana uh vaccinations LSD or meth or

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marijuana uh vaccinations LSD or meth or whatever so there's plenty of stories of that but because there are plenty of people who were going from saying to having an episode at the same time there are plenty of people were trying drugs for the first time or just doing drugs again you should have lots of false negatives in other words in the normal course of just people doing what they're doing there should be lots of coincidental examples where somebody took a drug and then soon after they had a mental problem now some of it may be caused and then there may be others that are just coincidence so I don't know that I don't know how much is caused and how much is coincidence and all that stuff
yeah I'm not sure I totally buy the the idea that people did not already have mental illness that would not have come out on its own why do we have to do anything can't we just learn to problem-solve nope probably not meditation and prayer

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nope probably not meditation and prayer seem much healthier well depending on your problem you can't meditate and pray away your addiction in one day but you can take psilocybin change your life make you happier and smarter and get rid of an addiction in one day so if you could do that with praise I would definitely recommend the praise but you can't
much drug uses self-medication yeah all right nothing else for me today we'll talk to you all later