Episode 775 Scott Adams: Sleepy Joe the Hoaxer, Anti-Semitism, The Press and More

Date: 2020-01-02 | Duration: 42:16

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Ben Shapiro’s article on media coverage of anti-semitism Joe Biden AGAIN pushes the “Fine People” HOAX Intentionally lying, cognitive dissonance, clueless? A grudging respect for NYT Daniel Dale fact checker Circle of life tweet and the Washington Examiner Car-free, small neighborhood designs culdesac.com

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[Music] hey everybody come on in here where are you worried that I was a little bit late that's right I'm one minute late it's not like me at all but I wouldn't miss it for anything even though it's perhaps the slowest news day of all slow news days has there ever been a slower news day than today I don't think so but we'll be getting on to the good stuff next week but before we begin I think you'd like to enjoy the simultaneous SEP that's why you're here and all you need is a cup or a mug or a glass a tank or chelators time in the canteen juggler flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure the dopamine the end of the day the simultaneous and said go on so the news today is that

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go on so the news today is that President Trump has raised a hundred million dollars for his campaign which turns out to be a pretty big number I don't know how you could ever compete with the incumbent because when the incumbent is running for reelection there's exactly one person that the entire Republican Party even thinks of to give money to it's not like they're giving money to Trump and the other candidate is just Trump but the poor Democrats have to spread their their love across all these candidates so that's a pretty big hurdle for a challenger that said apparently Bernie Sanders has raised a huge amount of money thirty four point five million over the past three months which is a lot especially when you're taking small donations so Bernie is killing it on the donations very interesting I wonder if that predicts anything let's talk about

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that predicts anything let's talk about something else besides money although we like money good somebody says castor dropped I don't know about that let's see so Ben Shapiro has an article talking about how the news business is having an awkward time covering anti-semitism so apparently there's at least anecdotally and maybe factually as well there seems to be some scary uptick in the anti-semitism in New York City and beyond and as Ben points out the problem is that it's not the usual suspects so if if we saw an uptick in anti-semitism and the perpetrators were always of premesis you can see non-stop news about it but because a lot of the perpetrators are black and brown as as Ben Shapiro explains it it makes a sort of awkward to talk about

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it makes a sort of awkward to talk about it and I ask myself this this sort of made me think I wonder if there's any kind of research to show which ethnic groups in the United States or let's say which racial groups are the most prejudiced did you ever wonder that because one of the weird things about being a generic white guy like I am is that I hang around with a lot of generic white people yeah I live in California so it's sort of like a you know it's always like the United Nations wherever I am in California but I still spend a lot of time especially online interacting with generic white people and there's a complete disconnect between my experience of generic white people and how everybody else seems to see them because I think there's some view that when white people get together they're all talking about racist stuff

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they're all talking about racist stuff and you know lots of bad behavior but I never see that I just it just isn't in my experience and so I was wondering huh you know maybe that's just a California thing but I was wondering I wonder if anybody's study that has anybody ever studied who's the the most racist group and turns out it's really hard to find that but so I did a search online and there's this Cora question where somebody asked the same question in America who are the most racist groups and there was some some gentleman who weighed in and said he had a lot of data on it and here's the funny part it was a Ukrainian you can't make this stuff up the one thing I looked for that would have been the most let's say provocative thing like you know in fact you could ever look up which is has ever been studied which ethnic or racial

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been studied which ethnic or racial groups in the United States are the most prejudiced themselves the most racist and he of course had a list which I wouldn't I wouldn't believe is true but he put I won't say who was at the top because that's just gonna cause trouble but according to his list white people in the United States were at the bottom the the white people were the least racist of any ethnic group in the United States now he didn't show his link and I wouldn't put any credibility to his study and that makes it even funnier that he's Ukrainian what is up with these Ukrainians but the first question I asked myself is why couldn't I easily Google that why isn't it that when I google it I always see anything on that question doesn't it seem like such an obvious thing to ask which who's you know because white people are generally in the target zone of being the the racists but a lot of that might be this

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racists but a lot of that might be this so-called structural or institutional racism in that it's not that what anybody's doing necessarily it's just the existence of the entire situation so this sort of connects to Ben's Shapiro's point that and then I'm going to add my new my own new point it seems to me that is easy to be less racist when you're in power wouldn't you say
say if things are going well for whatever group you're in you're now feeling a ton of hatred for anybody else maybe even feel some empathy for other groups but if things are going well for your group you just don't have a reason to hate anybody because everything's going fine
and what I'm wondering is if the changing demographic in the United States is going to cause maybe maybe it'll just

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is going to cause maybe maybe it'll just always be the same amount of racism no matter what but it'll be spread across different groups instead of people imagining that white people are racist against everybody else it feels like there's some kind of a transition going on at least in our minds where there's there's some kind of recognition that let's say racism and or prejudice and all those things are somewhat baked into everybody you don't get a free pass you know you don't get to be born Brown and therefore you're not racist at least in terms of you know rather than debate the definition of racist I'll just say we're all pattern recognition machines but we're not good at it we see patterns we think they mean something most of the time they don't most patterns are just coincidence or you know some other cause so I take is that everybody's you know suffering from

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that everybody's you know suffering from pattern recognition and we're not good at it which makes everybody a little biased in every possible way you can be biased but I don't think there's any special thing going on with with one group is what I'm saying all right
so Joe Biden has trotted out again the fine people hoax again it's as if he's immune to any kind of any kind of persuasion against it now genuinely curious and for anybody who's not familiar there might be a few people who are new here the fine people hoax is the idea that the president said that the neo-nazis and racists in Charlottesville who were marching with their signs and everything the the news reported that the president called them fine people that didn't happen it's widely reported and so many of you were listening to this for the first time or say what what the hell are you talking

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say what what the hell are you talking about Scott I saw it myself I heard it with my own ears I said I heard the president I saw it he said that Scott what the hell are you talking about and what the hell I'm talking about is you didn't see that you never saw that there are a lot of people tens of millions of people who believed they saw things that literally never happened and it's easy to prove you just have to google the transcript or google the full video of the actual event you think you remember just look at it just see for yourself and you're going to be kind of amazed that you saw only a hoax version of the transcript which is shortened which reverses this meaning anyway Joe Biden has been using the hoax to camera the president and now he's reduced a campaign video which features that first it's the first part of his campaign video now here's the thing and I'm gonna ask you in the comments because I really don't know I'm

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because I really don't know I'm genuinely curious is Joe Biden so stupid that he doesn't know it's fake or is he doing it anyway knowing is fake which do you think it is stupid or liar all right so there's two possibilities for Biden so why you would keep perpetuating this hook he's stupid he thinks it's real or he's a liar he doesn't care it's just effective so in the comments so I'm seeing most of you saying he's lying one's for stupid son who says maybe both doesn't care doing it anyway just reading your comments knows it's fake liar or senile liar you know I don't know because here's the thing the the reason that this hoax is so sticky is

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reason that this hoax is so sticky is that it is resistant to evidence to the contrary you can show people the transcript you can make them read it out loud and you can watch in real time how it doesn't change their mind so it's it could be that he believed at once and then when it's disproven to him he just heard discounts the debunking so that he just keeps his original thought through cognitive dissonance so I've got a feeling it's something like cognitive dissonance where he's been exposed to the fact that it's not true but he just you're re-engineers it in his mind so it's true again because he doesn't want to lose it but in either case isn't it pretty disqualifying you know and and I know what somebody's gonna say in about half a second they're gonna say wait wait wait President Trump fails the fact-checking 14 thousand times so far so isn't that the same thing like what's

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so isn't that the same thing like what's the difference between what Trump says that's not true and what Biden says that's not true well one big difference is that you take president Trump in context everybody knows that President Trump used to say purply but so far as far as I can tell it's all at least directionally useful you know he's talking the economy off even if he was exaggerating he's saying we've made great gains against Isis but if it's a little exaggerated because those are good exaggerations it's useful to tell Isis that were beating the bad thing in case they didn't know it it's useful to say the economy is doing great even better than it is because that's what keeps optimism up and keeps you counted be going so the kind of hyperbole that the president uses is either funny it's an insult or it's obviously not true but it's still funny or it's you know it's promoting the right direction or something like that but if you look

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or something like that but if you look at what Biden's doing there all it feels like there are two main possibilities cognitive dissonance is like a weird you know middle ground but he's either a a liar and that removes his primary purpose for running if he's lying if he's lying and he knows it about the fine people hoax correct me if I'm wrong doesn't that remove the primary argument for his presence the primary argument is character so if he's lying about to find people hoaxes in public the most transparent lie you could ever do at least transparent to the people were or on to it and then so he says is it a directional truth it's the opposite of a directional truth because the president as as major Garrett of CBS recently said has a record that any president would be

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has a record that any president would be proud to claim on legislation and actions executive orders and stuff that are beneficial to minority and the black community so that's actually what's happening so to suggest that the president is doing the opposite of that which drives the country apart is the the ultimate evil I mean it really is the ultimate evil because it's the sort of thinking that gets you race Wars and every other kind of bad behavior so I think Biden's argument that he's the one with good character is completely demolished if he believes you know if he knows he's lying about to find people hoaxes the other possibility is he doesn't know he's lying isn't that a little bit disqualifying as well if you don't know that the central story of the last few years in terms of how we understand the presidency and who Trump is and who we are as a country and all that Charlie

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are as a country and all that Charlie saw was the central story if he doesn't know that if he doesn't actually know what happened he's not really with it enough to be President I would say so that's pretty damning situation for Biden but again I don't think it'll make any difference to his voters his voters won't care if it's true they won't care if it's false are you following Daniel Dale of the New York Times so Daniel Dale is I guess he's the full-time fact-checker for the president so the New York Times has a guy who just were tweets and writes about what Trump got wrong and when I tell you that your first impression is going to be I hate that guy if you're a trump supporter you know said I hate that guy because he's just a Trump critic but I gotta say I have developed a grudging respect for Daniel Dale Dale because he does keep it

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Daniel Dale Dale because he does keep it pretty factual and you know it would be so easy to just you know throw in a bunch of you know orange man bad into this type of content but he doesn't I would say a pretty pretty good job of keeping it just to the facts with you know there's a little bit of attitude that gets in there that would be impossible to get rid of all of it but not bad so Daniel deal I would say that for the specific job you're doing good job even if I don't like some of the the output was so good work so he had this tweet that gives you a little peek behind the curtain and it's this is kind of fun and it's a four-pointer and he goes he calls at the circle in life so point one he says the White House emails a list of Trump accomplishments to the entire media all right so the White House sends out these are all of my accomplishments for the year for my for my term so far

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for the year for my for my term so far and he sends it to all the media number to the Washington Examiner publishes the press release has an exclusive all right this is my favorite part what does CNN do when the White House sends them a list of all their accomplishments well they don't publish it right what does MSNBC do when they receive a list of all the president's accomplishments well they don't put it on the air right so the Washington Examiner this is one of the funniest things you'll ever see in your life the Washington Examiner knowing that this list of accomplishments went to all of the media they still claim it's an exclusive because they're pretty sure everybody else is going to ignore it except baby fox news and Breitbart I suppose so so I could not be more like okay I couldn't

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could not be more like okay I couldn't be more amused or appreciative I guess is the right word of how the Washington Examiner handles this the silly situation yeah I could just imagine them sitting in the meeting and saying you know everybody's gonna ignore this so what should we do should we just be the only ones who publish it and then somebody in the meeting probably the funniest person in the meeting said I have an idea well let's say it's an exclusive and so that's point three they at Washington of the Washington Examiner publishes as an exclusive and point three is the White House an aide tweets the examiner article the number for Trump retweets it so the White House basically places it in the press the only one who bites on is the what is the Washington Examiner who calls it their exclusive and then and

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calls it their exclusive and then and then a White House aide tweets and then the president retweets it and then then Daniel Dale has to talk about it and then I talk about it so basically everybody wins Daniel Dale gets some content I get to talk about it the president gets his message out the Washington examiner gets an exclusive and and yeah the news gets out and basically it's one of these funny situations where just everybody wins by just acting silly I would love to know who it is at the Washington Examiner who made the decision to use the word exclusive cuz that's really funny it's funny I like it like I some kind of metal level I'm gonna be laughing about that all day alright alright here's that here's a really cool thing you're ready for a cool thing there's an organization that has already formed and they're building small neighborhoods that are

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building small neighborhoods that are designed so they're designing a thousand person neighborhood that is a Carlist neighborhood and they're putting the first one in tempe so the name of the organization is cul de sac CU l de si si just like cul de sac calm and you can go see their stuff there so I don't know how far along they are it looks like they've got it designed and baby may be funded and may be breaking ground but they've got some interesting designs and what I love about it what I love about it is first of all it's exactly what I've been saying the future needs so if you're worried about the the national debt I would say there are three things that matter a lot the healthcare military and just cost of living and I think that you do see lots of experiments and this looks like it's going to be a good one to lower the cost of a very high quality life because they're going to build this environment so it just looks and feels

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environment so it just looks and feels great and everything's easy to do imagine living somewhere where where you walk outside and it's just it's great it's just you know manicured spaces and trees and grass and it's built to look good it's built to be easy to go round and there's no traffic there's no cars there's no car engines you know I guess you can get around with an uber and a bicycle and scooters and stuff like that the weather would be good enough so you can do a lot of stuff hang on doors so I think you're gonna see a whole bunch of experiments like this now one of the examples that they used is that instead of having a house where you've got a guest room it seems like everybody has a house with a guest room above a certain size house they're saying you rarely use the guest room so wouldn't it make more sense to have some public guest rooms and anybody can just you know use them use unless they need them so I'd love to get this founder on the periscope sometimes to talk about it but this is

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sometimes to talk about it but this is really the future the future is designed from the ground up communities where you just make it cheap and easy so imagine getting rid of all your transportation expenses or let's say 90% of them because you still might need to get to the airport so let's say 90% of your transportation now some of you asked hey how am I going to get to work and the answer is you wouldn't live here if that was a problem so remember it's optional no but nobody's gonna make you live in this cul-de-sac community it's for somebody who's who wants to work locally or they can work remotely or whatever or they've got enough money I suppose so that's what's coming somebody says no one wants to live there now why would you say no one wants to live there like what possible what possible thinking is it let me let me let me talk about a form of loser think that I should have

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form of loser think that I should have put in loser think but I didn't it's the fallacy of thinking that other people think the way you do there is a gigantic gigantic variance and how each of us want to live some people need more privacy some people need people some people need the city some people need rural there's it's just all over the board so building these small sort of especially designed communities is only meant for the 3% or whatever in the population we're just perfectly suited for it and we can imagine that other places would be built for people who have different requirements and needs and preferences and it would be perfect for them but the point of it is you could lower the cost of living to the point where the government doesn't need to pay so much that's where it's all heading I

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want to live where the people who moves there used to live yeah how is this how's it different from other worker housing promoted by socialist countries oh god that question actually hurts me it's actually painful we we have some kind of a disease in this country with socialism and it's sort of a two-way disease there's the people who have the disease because they want to they think socialism is good because they don't understand things basically there are people who don't understand how the world works or incentives works so they think he's socialism such an idea then there's the other group of people that is demonstrated by that comment who believe they see socialism everywhere and that therefore everything is broken because it's got a little socialism in it and that's just such an unproductive way to think this so this called the sack to answer your question doesn't have a thing to do with socialism all right it could not be

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socialism all right it could not be further from socialism it's a capitalist place that capitalists going to live because capitalists chose to live there that's it there are a few shared services just as today and uber car ride is a shared service but it says capitalists as you can get you could not get more capitalist than uber what is the shared service so when I say to you this community might have some shared or common let's say common services such as guest rooms that's not socialism that's not socialism it's not even close so don't be afraid of the boogeyman of socialism because somebody has found a way to save some money all right sorry I had to swear there somebody says what's with your language lately young man what is with your language I don't have an

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is with your language I don't have an answer to that so people don't want the public around them yeah most people want the public around them sometimes
sounds like reinventing the small-town village of rural America I would say no because if if the rural small towns of the past worked we'd still have them so just being small is not what makes it work it's being small and designed it's the design that's never happened small towns of the past were random a small town to the past was just a little random thing I'm seeing a lot of people ask me if my prednisone is making me swear more let me answer that question because there's there's an interesting story there so some of you know I was taking prednisone for some nasal problems but the prednisone is really a

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problems but the prednisone is really a mind-altering drug as well as a physical one because the physical changes change you mentally and the physical changes are you feel a little bit like a Superman for a week so for a week I could exercise infinitely I could just exercise as much as I wanted it felt like wouldn't get sore wouldn't get tired I could you know do any amount of work I didn't need to sleep I was sleeping for hours at night and it was plenty it felt like now you can't do this for long because if you do the prednisone for you know longer than these limited little uses that that your doctor recommends it's really bad for you all right that's really really bad for you but for a short term it turns you to a superhuman you're smarter you're physically you don't have pain but yesterday was the first day off so I I had my first day without prednisone they they tapered off so it's

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prednisone they they tapered off so it's not such a big shock to your system so I did the taper but there's still one the first day that you don't have any and I gotta tell you yesterday was the worst year the worst day of my year I felt like I'd been run over by a bus and that and it lasted all day from the moment I woke up I filled a bus running over my body and like every part of my body hurts so it's like you know full body ache and I think it's the prednisone now somebody asked if that's having an effect on my mood and the answer is yes there's no doubt about it so when somebody said you know is that is that why you're swearing more I don't know because once once your chemistry becomes different you just imagine that's who you are you know you forget that you're it's it was just a chemistry experiment and the reason you're doing what you're doing is because your chemistry changed so could be if I if I had to guess I

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so could be if I if I had to guess I would say that I'm crankier today than normal because my body aches yeah I'm still coming out of it and when your body hurts you tend to get cranky so that might be it oh that's the other thing the prednisone I think it was what the prednisone made me so hungry all the time that I gained about 8 pounds in a week I ate like a freaking pig you know there was one day a six candy bars in a row and I mean I just eating until my stomach hurt from expansion and I still was hungry so now now the hungry hunger is gone so I'm good but anyway there's there's a point to this there's a larger point this one of the large points is that if you think you have free will should I take in prednisone because what will happen is you'll find that your preferences and your decisions and your actions change

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if he had free will would that happen if you had free will why would you become a different personality fairly predictably by taking a drug the drug shouldn't change who you are except that we don't have free will we are a chemistry experiment and when you put a new chemical in a powerful one you're a new person you just turned into a new person
that's right I was I was famished and ravished do you prescribe I don't know what that means
I'm predator you can be eating a sandwich when wall eating it you're making another sandwich that is exactly what it feels like I spent I spent almost a hundred percent of my daily waking time on prednisone buying food preparing food and eating food I felt like it was all I was doing was just eating and then somebody says it's

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eating and then somebody says it's interesting so another one is you proposed well the the idea to propose I've had for four months so it wasn't like a decision I necessarily made but you're right if I had made the decision and I had never wanted to until I was on that drug you'd have to worry right I mean even I would worry but that decision was made months ago I just executed somebody says how to overcome all odds that is a really interesting question so I don't know what's behind that question but somebody said how does one overcome all odds well of course probably one can't overcome all odds but if you've heard my story enough you know that there are a whole bunch of times in my life in which I beat the odds in ways that just don't seem possible I mean if you think about it I mean it's starting with becoming a famous cartoonist that is such a rare

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famous cartoonist that is such a rare job there are very few famous cartoons but I set that goal and I became one you know in and even becoming somewhat famous more recently for predicting that Trump would win very rare very unusual having a best-selling book number one does living book at different times in my past very rare getting rid of an incurable disease how often does that happen it's really rare happened to me having a fiance like Christina very rare very very rare but it happened to me so I do live in the world in which insanely unlikely things happen at a regular basis and by the way this is kind of a tease so I shouldn't do it to you but I'm gonna do it anyway you see the public version of what I present you

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public version of what I present you know the things I can tell you the things that are you know now so private that I feel bad about telling you but you cannot imagine you can you come how to match you cannot imagine what my actual personal experience of life is like it can't even be explained if you were to look at all the stuff I've never talked about that are also unusual and beating the odds by so much you can't it's just mind-boggling if if there were any way that I could communicate that and I can't because usually it's private or you involve some of the else who would like to be private or it's a story I can't tell for one reason or another or it's a state secret or it's a proprietary or something so I wish to God I could tell you all the good stories of my life but I can't just just just trust me when I tell you that is amazing and unlikely as my actual public life is it's even

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as my actual public life is it's even weirder you know or and more more in a good way it's more unusual than you can imagine
Devon's gonna go buy my book now well thank you am i working on any affirmations at the moment not directly not directly I'm working on a lot of projects which i think about a lot and I'm working on a lot and most of them you know about but I am in a weird kind of situation in which I don't have many needs you know my social life is amazing my even my personal life I mean my career totally happy with it so it's hard to sit down and do affirmations when you're you've got things going did she let you grab her by that phrase

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she let you grab her by that phrase we'll never be lost somebody finished gems you finished loser think last night thank you any New Year's resolutions you know I do yes I'm not sure I'll call them resolutions because I like systems better than discrete goals but I'll tell you that there are some systems that I'm looking to improve this year one of them is is this so I'd like to take whatever I'm doing here on periscope to some let's say even better level maybe it's just the quality of the of the of the broadcast I don't know but I'm probably going to do more interviews as so that would be fun trying to get to half a million Twitter users by the end of the year I'd love to have a million but that would be something weird would have to happen for that I I've said before that

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happen for that I I've said before that if I ever got to a million Twitter followers that I would run the world and yeah here's the here's the thinking behind it so persuasion is a combination of your reach and your skill president Trump has the biggest reach of anybody because he's the president so he gets lots of attention so he has the greatest level of reach combined with in my opinion the highest level of persuasive skill we have ever seen in public so he's got the two things operating at maximum degrees but he won't always be present if I got to a million followers my my reach would be big enough that my persuasion skillset combined with the fact that the things I persuade about I don't have a financial interest in and I'm not and I'm not a child you know so Greta has her own

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child you know so Greta has her own problems because she's she's young and other people who are persuading it's obvious they're political they're backing a team it's four powers for money or whatever and because I'm in this very rare situation in which I'm doing this sort of thing not for money I like to make money so if so if I can find ways to monetize it I'm gonna do that so you should expect to see me trying to monetize what I'm doing because I'm doing it anyway but I don't do it for that purpose I just believe monetizing is a good way to keep score it's a good way to grow something you know I can invest any more etc so anyway if I get to a million followers with my skill set combined with the fact that it should be somewhat obvious to most people that I'm not in it to make a buck I would effectively run the world at that point because I don't mean every topic because the people who care the

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topic because the people who care the most tend to you know be in charge of topics but if I got to a million followers you would see stuff like the cul-de-sac that I was talking about you see more of that because you see lots of a be tests people would say well we don't know if this will work but I've got funding I've got an idea energy I'm gonna try it so you see a lot more of that so says United to make a buck what are your books about so the last three books that's a good question actually the the first of my last three books are a completely different field for me from cartooning so the first of the three was had a failed almost everything and still win big and a friend referred to that as my magnum opus once it was the book that I read that I hoped would be my contribution to the planet you know what once I left so one always writes books with a wealth let me say this is a better way if you want your book to

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better way if you want your book to reach a lot of people do it for money unfortunately those things are are tightly coupled because if I write the book for money and write it in a way that I think will sell the most and people will buy the most of them and design the best cover and I really really take a completely commercial approach to it then my publisher will do the same and that's what gets it to a lot of people's into a lot of minds so if you don't get the commercial part right your publisher doesn't want to work with you the bookseller doesn't want to sell it you need to you need to feed the entire ecosystem and that's what gets you the biggest reach so of course there's no situation in which I would ever say no to money there's no situation which I wouldn't want to make money on any content I produce even if my main intention is that I want to you know do something good for the world I always always want to put the commercial

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always always want to put the commercial layer on there because it increases the value of the product interview Seth Godin yeah I know I know south a little bit we've communicated over over many years he would be amazing I should ask for him thoughts on self-publishing it's tough I don't I'm offhand I can't think of anybody who was successfully self-published I'm sure it's happened but I don't know any so I have to think it's hard
choice is giving his way for two bucks on Twitter yeah Dershowitz write so many books I think he writes a book every six months or something so he's a special situation all right I see your suggestions for a guess and maybe I shall do that all right that's enough now I will talk to you later