Episode 765 Scott Adams: Building New City States, Schroedinger’s Cat Impeachment, Pope Tie-Breakers

Date: 2019-12-23 | Duration: 40:23

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My new book LOSERTHINK, available now on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/rqmjc2a Special Guest: Patri Friedman, the Mini-City-States concept https://pronomos.vc Twitter: @Patrissimo President Trump’s powerful meme, They’re not after me, they’re after YOU What happen’s to his supporters if President Trump loses 2020? 90 minutes after Ukraine phone call

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pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom boom hey everybody it's time for coffee with scott adams the best part of your day you know it I know it let's just admit it it's the best part of the day I think we could all just say that today I've got a special guest I'll be bringing on in a little bit very special well before that you know it comes before that yeah that's right it's the it's the simultaneous eped and it's the new improved version and it goes like this if you'd like to join in on the simultaneous up all you need is a cup or a mug or glass a tank or challenger stein a canteen juggler flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and joining me now for the unparalleled pleasure that you dope it me to tell you the thing to makes everything better that's right it's the simultaneous except go yeah yeah yeah

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except go yeah yeah yeah that's the good stuff so so good well we got some stuff to talk about but before we do that I would like to bring on my guest I believe I saw him signing up let's see if we've got a winner yes we do coming on quick hmm Patti can you hear me can you tell me how to correctly pronounce your name ah three pot pot three right yep now it has to be said right off the bat and then you're probably sick of this but you have a famous grandfather don't you it's true till it tells who your grandfather's and my grandfather was Milton Friedman who won the Nobel Prize in Economics not only did Milton Friedman win the Nobel Prize in Economics but he is one of my greatest heroes and I didn't know until I was studying up on you before this before this periscope I did not

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this before this periscope I did not know of that connection so I'm honored to have you on I'm a big fan your grandfather but what you're doing is even more interesting tell us what you were involved in with Prada most capital if I'm saying that right yeah so prunella's capital is the first venture capital fund working to build charter cities which are cities that have the permission of a government to bring in different laws and establish a region that has different laws and different courts than the rest of the country give me an example of some of the countries you're thinking about for putting your little country within a country so the country that has the most advanced program is Honduras which is kind of random but the the leader has just decided to create this program they changed the Constitution but they haven't actually authorized any of these yet we're also talking to countries like the Marshall Islands a number of small

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the Marshall Islands a number of small countries in Europe some other places in the South Pacific now give us give us the really high-level picture why this is why anybody even wants to do this what's what's the objective what problem do you solve so it's really hard to reform a country by changing the entire legal system at once you know countries that have bad laws or corrupt courts or just want to try out new institutions there's not really a way to do that I mean I come from Silicon Valley so I think of the issue as being that there's no way to do government startups and so the whole idea of these cities is what if we took empty land and that empty land is very important and we set up a city that had different laws to try them out and to let people move in kind of steadily over the years and grow a new city and this is you know when I start work on the stuff 20 years ago it was it was more hypothetical but we now have the example of China which is you know

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the example of China which is you know with Hong Kong China copied Hong Kong and all of these little special economic zones like Shenzhen eventually they built like 1,500 special economic zones and over decades transformed the entire country from communism to something closer than capitalism using these little one let's Changez now I've often said that for a lot of countries they need what I called a government in a box now my idea for it was not as good as your idea but it was that maybe somebody like a Swiss you know consultants in Switzerland would just come in and say okay for one year will be your government and then when we're done we'll all leave because we don't have an army we couldn't stay if we wanted to and they just fix the government and I always thought that but but your model seems more sustainable because you'd come in and prove it within the country and you'd make it something that people would want to be part of it cuz it works better right yeah I mean you know look it you know how consultants are right so consultants can come into a company and they look and whatever they do that doesn't mean

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and whatever they do that doesn't mean that it's gonna stick it's got to be the people who are running the country for the long term who learn you have to be building new new institutions and making jobs now there's a part of the country in a box that that I'm a big fan of which is the idea that if we if we can set up a successful zone in one country and then a second and the third and then ten of them we can build a set of best practice laws and software for running a city and architectural practices and kind of like have a full-stack solution so that it becomes really easy so we have a government in a box and any country that we go to says hey take these hundred acres and just deploy it but we have to succeed at doing this you know the first time and first ten times before we can make it repeat so you know what I love about talking talking with you which is immediately apparent so you have some obviously some background in both economics and technology development and when you talk your

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development and when you talk your language just hits me so perfectly because you've got the two most important things covered I'm loving where you're going with it some specific questions one of the reasons that these little cities within a city or a cities you know kind of country within a country would work is that each of them would not need their own military because the larger country presumably would protect them but doesn't that give them any did they get any special anything that the rest of the population would resent would with these little countries within a country require the rest of the country to chip in any taxes or do anything on their behalf as I worked well it's it's more the opposite where I mean in the Honduran program the countries are providing jobs a part of the Constitution is that any businesses in these zones have to employ at least 90 percent Hondurans but then there's no like the there's there's no taxes flowing either direction so the the zone

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flowing either direction so the the zone operator gets if they charge taxes they get to keep them and I think in in no cases would the country be asked to pay for the city the whole idea of this is countries that are having trouble getting foreign investment they want they want companies to come in and build factories and make jobs and in some cases I think that cont the city would share revenue with the country but never lie well so there's a lot of lot that's negotiable so what what would be the set of laws that you would incorporate are you borrowing from the British system the u.s. system where do you bring you know what what set of laws do you bring to these countries within countries yes so I mean first off we kind of as a venture fund we're willing to get pitched whatever set of laws you just have to convince us that it'll be a great place to live and make jobs I think that you know my dream is to someday find better laws then exists today but I think what we need to do

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today but I think what we need to do right now is just to copy the existing best practices so I think of it like a text stack you know if you want to make a great web product you're going to use existing languages you're going to use your your my sequel Apache Linux stack and so I think British common law is is kind of it and what some of our researchers are doing right now is going around at two different countries looking at their laws and trying to find like who has the best contract law who has the best housing codes who has the best mortgage law and then take those copy them make them match each other because they were written for different countries and simplify them and actually make the world's first open-source League which is on github right now so you you did it again like every - every time I think you're gonna say something I'm gonna disagree with you say exactly the word I was waiting for I was waiting for you to say the word simplification because if you hadn't said that I would have lost all confidence because because that's like 80% of the problem is that the laws are too complicated right yeah definitely so I love that all

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right yeah definitely so I love that all right tell the people who some of your famous venture funding backers are for this that could get an idea of serious is's sure so our anchor investor is Peter Thiel who is the first investor in facebook other investors include Marc Andreessen who invented the web browser and runs a Driessen Horowitz neva Brava Khan who's who's been on with you founded AngelList Balaji screen iwasa and who was CTO at coinbase Roger ver Bitcoin cash a lot of great Silicon Valley people yeah for those of you who are listening to this may not be familiar with all the names just listed those are the smartest people in Silicon Valley that's it that basically just named the smartest people in Silicon Valley that are all on the same project so that's telling you a lot now for those of you who recognize the names as soon as you mentioned them you probably just sort of fell out of your chair because it's hard to get that

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chair because it's hard to get that group of cats all on the same project I mean that's pretty remarkable so congratulations on that is there any reason that you wouldn't do this in the United States yes so they're actually this year for the first time I saw a plausible project in the u.s. there have been some federal court cases in the last few years that have strengthened Native American sovereignty so for example you can't enforce intellectual property laws on Native American reservations you can't enforce Trump trade tariffs on reservations so there's one that I've seen that's looking for a team of people to try a charter city in the US but you know mostly the idea of these is to copy best practice laws and hire honest judges for places that need that and so the the better run a country is the less interested in its going to be and in the US especially there's a very strong federal government and it's very hard to get local independence with with

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hard to get local independence with with congressional support you can actually do significant exemptions from federal law with what's called an interstate compact but you have to have a majority in Congress so it's not very fertile but I'd love to see someone do something with Native American land well now are you familiar with the the vast amounts of land that's available basically for free in in some of the rundown inner cities typically called the blighted territories bill Paul T's been involved in clearing those out and I know for example Jack Dorsey funded one of those with Bill Paul day to clear up in st. Louis so there are these vast tracts within the inner cities where you could also build a walled city with its own security and its own systems and try to make something work within the city is it the American laws if the American laws aren't that broken wouldn't that be an easy place to start because you've already got laws that people kind of agree with they just need the other stuff he's the security the you know

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stuff he's the security the you know keeping the good elements in and the bad elements out yeah I mean it's it's definitely possible and I mean some Silicon Valley groups like like Y Combinator and Google have looked into doing a city and and and what you could get there and I both ultimately gave up I think as far as pro Nomos what we're interested in is zones that have kind of different and simplified laws from the rest of the country and we're where the country really wants us to come in and I'm not sure that's true in the US but I would say this is part of a broader movement to kind of rewrite and reform cities so is is anything you're doing directly or indirectly related to construction or is it really just about the laws in the society well these cities are gonna have to get built but we're not trying to innovate I mean I'm really interested in kind of all these city technology companies and what they're doing in China where they can put up a skyscraper and you know week you know but we're just directly

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week you know but we're just directly gonna focus on kind of getting these zones created and on the legal part of it but then yeah these projects are actually gonna build and you know one thing I want to emphasize is that like it we as a venture capital company it's not like we have one legal system or one government that we are going to impose this is about a bunch of different groups around the world doing startup cities that each have different laws and we are the only people who go into the city are the people who want to be there so that's what's cool about this is it's not imposed on anyone ever so as a venture fund then the model is that anybody in some other country can can put together a proposal and say I want to bring this set of laws into this area and I want to work with you with my government to get them to approve it all is that the basic model yeah it's really important that they have strong connections to the country and that the government be interested in order that for the government to pass laws and just for the project to be welcome I think

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for the project to be welcome I think you know this can can so easily be something bad if it's imposed from the outside and so it's critical at the country be saying hey we want one of these cities how are you finding is calling for this the most because it seems to be a perfect fit with our immigration and homeland security if if you could you know use these to pump up the viability of the Central American areas we'd have less illegal immigration do you find interest from people like that what who's who's showing you the most interest I would say that that I have had some discussions with with US security officials and they love the idea you know the idea of countries close to us having more prosperous cities that are better run I mean that just just benefits America in general I'd say it's kind of smaller smaller nations who are worried about economic development or in some cases climate change so in my work with seasteading

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change so in my work with seasteading which was the idea of building on the ocean which I might have seen somewhere in one of your comic strips we worked with french polynesia and there they were worried about climate change mitigation and how to protect their they're drowning islands so there's a variety of interest but mostly it's it's smaller countries who want to get jobs do you have good connections in the US government that would be useful to you I have some but it's a big government and I could always use more who would be your ideal person you'd want to get their ear in the government well there's a new us in Development Bank that's being merged out of a couple of the existing international investment systems that would be great and of course it would be nice to get a tweet from Trump yeah you usually that would take at least a senator or something to get on board but so if you if you've got a target senator maybe we can hook you

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a target senator maybe we can hook you up
up sound again alright and working people go to find out more about this check out our website which is pro Nomos PR o n om o s it means good law in greek bc or check out our twitter at pro no SVC or my twitter is at patrice email and you can look at my twitter feed and you'll see I tweeted an article out just this morning so you can follow up in there so thank you so much and and make sure I'm saying this right poetry by three five three you know I'll never be able to say that correctly I'm gonna have to Americanize that a little bit but thank you so much you know everything about this idea I like literally everything about it I don't say that about most ideas but I don't see a single thing wrong with this if you can pull it off and it looks like you've got a good head start with lots of good backers so we'll be watching this carefully and check back in with me if you have any exciting updates if you get if you get a city

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updates if you get if you get a city that bites I'm all over that I want to I want to hear more about that okay sounds good alright thanks so much for joining and I'll talk to you later thanks all right that was quite interesting I hope you like that as much as I did let's talk about some other things somebody sent me a tweet of a little video of a guy ice skating who looks exactly like me and I gotta tell you I have watched that little video I know 50 times because I even can't tell the difference between that guy had me I mean it looks like me you know I always talked about the simulation doing code reuse oh my god EJ is just looks like another version of me ice skating so I don't have anything to say about that except it's blowing my mind and then if any of you seen that little clip that people are sending around it's

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clip that people are sending around it's another one of these Laurel and Yanni situations in which there's a guy on a swing and apparently some people think he's facing one direction and some people think he's facing the other direction I I don't know to me it looks like his feet are facing in the one direction so I don't know how anybody's confused about that one but I guess they are speaking of two movies on one screen New Yorker editor fellow named David Remnick who is no friend to President Trump recently said on CNN and this is the funny part he said this on CNN he said quote we have a country that's split and to the great frustration of people like you and people like me remember he's on CNN talking about this we don't somehow understand why the evidence of things why facts don't penetrate so many of our brothers and sisters in America huh I wonder why the citizens of the United

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wonder why the citizens of the United States are skeptical of the news is there anything that happened in the past few years they would make you skeptical about the accuracy of the facts on the news anything anything can you think of anything I can't think of a thing
I saw a speaking of living I saw an article thank you was on CNN yeah about a homeless people who have jobs and the example given was a an uber driver who sleeps in a car and I thought to myself sleep in your car that's that's a bad deal you know how do you have the bathroom how do you shower and all that stuff and then it turns out that there's at least one quote safe parking lot I think this is in the LA area that has bathrooms and a security guard so if you're a homeless person but you have a car you can drive

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person but you have a car you can drive into the parking lot sleep in your car and you've got a some kind of shared bathroom situation and a security guard and I thought to myself well that doesn't help obviously that's not going to help people with mental problems and in addiction problems but there is a class of people who just can't afford home but they do have a job and I'm thinking to myself not the worst temporary solution I've ever seen it's not the worst if they're working and they have a chance of you know working their way up to something so I like the creativity of that as a temporary step I was watching last night a documentary I think it was on Amazon Prime about Iraq's prostitution industry do you know anything about that so apparently in some forms of Islam I think mostly the Shiites but maybe maybe a little bit others as well that they have this

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others as well that they have this system where you can temporarily marry somebody and by temporarily you can get married for half an hour or you can get married for a month and ask to be blessed by a cleric an actual religious leader which they will do for money so if you pay your cleric some amount of money in the form of a tip your cleric will officially bless your quote marriage for an hour to somebody you want to have sex with now apparently because there were so many men killed in the Iraq war and the economy was so dislodged there this tremendous number of women who are doing these temporary marriages contract marriages which are just prostitution so the weird thing has happened is because of the economy and the shortage of men etc that that the clerics have actually just become pimps and that's not even

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just become pimps and that's not even I'm not even exaggerating apparently the vast majority of them the you know the street clerics you know I'm not talking about whoever's the top but you know the the everyday clerics pretty much all of them will and wait for this I'm not making this up they will approve a temporary marriage to an adult male Iraqi or just a visitor I suppose if the girl is over nine years old and and the documentary demonstrated that was true now they did some test examples where they had a guy come in and act like you wanted to have a temporary marriage with a twelve or thirteen year old and it was easily approved grown man twelve year old virgin and a cleric said yeah that's no problem yeah no problem just don't take her virginity you know in the I don't want get too detailed but in the classic way yeah and and even the

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in the classic way yeah and and even the cleric says yeah yeah I could do all the other stuff as long as she says yes that's all you need unbelievable so now I well I knew that this was a practice in Iran but apparently it may be even more of a thing in Iraq because of the economic upheaval and lack of men to marry but the women the women don't have a lot of choices if the woman is not married in Iraq and she doesn't have much of a chance of getting a job you know you've got one path there so it's the least religious country I've ever I've ever even heard of at least in that specific anyway that that was shocking beyond belief so I'll just put that out there
yeah you know I run on and on about this concept of two movies on one screen now the country is divided into seeing reality in two completely different ways even though it seems like we're looking at the same stuff and this this question

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at the same stuff and this this question of is the president impeached or not impeached I don't know if you could come up with a more perfect example of two movies on one screen we're actually having a conversation a national conversation about whether it's true or false that the president has been impeached I don't think you could find a question that would get that much closer to being objectively true or objectively not true and we can't even agree on that you know you've heard my opinion on that which is we can agree that the house has voted to impeach that much everybody would agree on and we can also agree that they have not forwarded the articles of impeachment to the Senate and therefore they have not completed the steps that the house does so if the house is not done with all their steps even though they voted can you say that the impeachment is done or could you simply say that it was voted on I would I am on the team that says you can say

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I am on the team that says you can say it was voted on but until they're transmitted the the process is not complete so I would say it's an incomplete impeachment process that's what I'd say there's some talk about president Trump's me and he tweeted around that this shows him and sort of a black and white menacing pose when he's on a chair he's looking looking right at you and it says the meme says in reality they're not after me they're after you I'm just in the way it's a really strong meme you know it's just well done wording and the image are really good and I like what this did because you notice that the Democrats had turned the question of Trump into a question of Trump's supporters and they had very publicly and collectively tried to make it a case that you could not be a good citizen and also be a trump supporter and that maybe you could be beat up in public if you even wore a hat the suggestion you were

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even wore a hat the suggestion you were such a bad person so when Trump turns this around and I think he was just tweeting the meme somebody else made but it's clever because the Democrats have actually said in pretty direct language and and direct action certainly on social media that they're coming after Trump supporters and so the president says says they're not coming after him they're coming after you and I believe that the Democrats have completely validated that because they say it pretty directly right they say all all Trump supporters are scum they're all going to have to answer for it you know you're you are guilty for all of this they've said it directly and I actually have started to think I wonder if there's a safety element here because I haven't thought this before but I'm starting to think it you know what would happen if Trump lost re-election would Trump supporters never

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re-election would Trump supporters never be able to get jobs again you know could you apply for a job somebody would check your facebook see you were once a trump supporter and then you can't get a job forever you know is there an element of self-preservation yet for people voting for Trump so they can get at least four more years of not being potentially victimized by the side that would like to victimize them so I would say there is an element of self-protection there and that should not be ignored it's also good to put Trump in the role of the protector it's a very strong strong image you know if you think he's acting as your protector then you're gonna be very supportive then if you think he's just doing a job he's doing more than a job all right
there's a there's a disagreement maybe you've seen it on the question of the evangelicals so there was one you Angelica organization who said that

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Angelica organization who said that President Trump should be impeached and then there was another evangelical organization who recently said no no he should not be a beached and what do you do when you're evangelical organizations disagree well I think he got a kick it upstairs right if you've got some evangelicals who say God wants Trump to be impeached and others say God doesn't want it well you're gonna need a tiebreaker I think you know you're gonna need a tiebreaker and that's what I'm here for I'm here to be your tiebreaker I would like to ask God directly who is right God if you're listening I know you are can you send us a sign should we get rid of President Trump that is a question God should President Trump be removed from office send us a sign

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okay God should president Trump stay in office okay okay I think I think that's our answer glad we settled that once and for all yeah let's see so there's some conversation about more information about the Ukraine situation the so apparently there's new information that completes some of the timeline and this fellow Mike Duffy the White House official and the Office of Management and Budget apparently 90 minutes after the call that Trump had with Ukrainian president the order came down to freeze the Ukraine money and this is the way it was it was worded in the memo that apparently has been surfaced quote based on guidance I have received in light of the administration's plan to review assistance to Ukraine

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assistance to Ukraine so there's a plan to review the assistance including the Ukrainian security assistance initiative that would be the money for their defense please hold off on any additional ba-ba-ba-ba-ba of the funds so people are saying wait a minute that came 90 minutes after the phone call so they must be connected right it must be because of the phone call that the president is extorting the president of Ukraine by holding off those funds because the timing first you made the phone call 90 minutes later you freeze them the money baby baby here's another possibility let me give you the filter from somebody who's lived in the real world and worked at large organizations here's how large organizations often work doesn't have to be every time but often if you're making your Ukraine decisions you do em all at once so if the president was working on Ukraine that day probably got briefed

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Ukraine that day probably got briefed before the phone call then he had the phone call and then you make decisions that are related to Ukraine and the phone call because that sort of Ukraine day so why should you make of the fact that the phone call to the president of Ukraine happened within 90 minutes of another decision about Ukraine about holding the money to review it why should he make it that well what you should make of it is that that was the day he was making Ukraine decisions that's the easiest explanation it's easier if you're the leader of a country and you've got a million topics and you're trying to make decisions on a million different topics you don't want to do a slice here or slice there you know switching between topics you want to say today is Ukraine day today you're gonna get briefed on Ukraine you're gonna talk to Ukraine you're gonna make some decisions on Ukraine it's just Ukraine day that's the most logical explanation for why every everything happened about the same time and also who cares if he didn't hold the money

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who cares if he didn't hold the money back because he has that right to do that anyway that's about all that the news got really slow because it's time for Christmas so not much else happen anybody have any questions does anybody have a question they would like to come on as a guest and ask me whoops just a little guess why is the Ukranian thing a threat to our democracy yeah it isn't it is not please retell the story about I don't know what story you want me to tell I'm just looking at your your comments rail Dam is trying to confiscate weapons yeah I'm not up on that so I'll have to study up at that have you heard of Earth ships I have but I'm not an expert on

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ships I have but I'm not an expert on that oh the letter you got to pay do you retry Dilbert I've told that story so many times I think I'm gonna hold off on that one
am I your youngest biggest fan yes you are Jared oh did you see Joe Rogan posting on the simulated video Trump singing all I want for Christmas now is it a deep fake I think 2020 is gonna be the year of the deep fake don't you we're gonna see a lot of deep fakin
why not lasik yet I looked into lasik and it wouldn't work for me so I would still need glasses for all of my up-close work but since most of the things I do are up close I'm on my phone 90% of the day having LASIK would just change my problem from needing glasses to drive which I do an hour a day to needing glasses for looking at things

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needing glasses for looking at things that are close which I do 23 hours a day except when I'm sleeping I guess was Trump really afraid of running against Biden I don't think afraid would be the right word but he does seem to think that that's gonna be the guy
where does loser think rank in your recommended books list well in my recommended books I'm recommending the the persuasion reading list is is what I usually recommend so loser think isn't about persuasion per se it's about how to think more productively uh for fun have John Dvorak I know John he'd be fun maybe we should do that John you may be watching this right now if you are you were invited
yeah I've invited McAfee to be on here but I haven't I haven't nailed that down

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but I haven't I haven't nailed that down with his I think his wife I'm not sure who does his schedule what about the Trump charity settlement not too interested yeah I know there's a story about there was a Trump charity and he got in trouble for her and I don't have to pay a fine or something I know not too interesting the slaughter meter is at 100% or 200% one I LASIK works yeah I could do one an LASIK but that there's something about that that's scary how about Candice Owens yes I'm invited to and have accepted talking on Candice Owens show but I need to get down to LA to do that when she's there so it's a scheduling thing I did hear from somebody on Cory Booker's somebody who knows Cory Booker who wanted to see if he could connect me to see if I could

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if he could connect me to see if I could get Cory Booker on here for an interview so I'm working on that as well
all right yeah you know the thing with the the charities and stuff I always feel like we don't have the full story so I feel like those are ones where we never really know what was going on so it's hard to comment on those about Adam Carolla I did Adam Carolla's show just recently the McLaughlin group is back yeah bonded employment I rolled out an idea about I don't want to talk about that now will trump lose the popular vote again you know I don't know but I don't know

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you know I don't know but I don't know that it matters because losing the popular vote really means that you lost what California in New York right that's all it takes is to lose California in New York and you've lost the popular vote so I don't know that it matters don't in the matters oh here's a here's an interesting question for you it's the end of the year why don't you name your superstars I want to hear your superstars for the media people who you followed who wrote articles maybe they were pundits maybe they were online personalities tell me who were your superstars for the year I saw Molly Hemingway's name go by and she's on my short list of superstars a tremendous writer and communicator Byron York I would say one of the best Matt Taibbi incredible Joel Pollak amazing mostly these are just the most effective influential just quality writers that have influenced me this year Mike Serna

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have influenced me this year Mike Serna vich every day he's interesting
I love watching Jack pasaba --xx Twitter feed what are the best there is
yeah I don't follow Sarah Carter and John Solomon as much but I hear good things about him Kim Kim Strasse incredible one of the one of the tops for sure and we like all of our Fox News hosts those are automatics yeah Victor David Hansen he's a star Tim Poole dan bungee know cheryl atkinson yeah rush limbaugh of course kanye of course in his own way glenn greenwald you know i have i have such a love-hate relationship with reading glenn greenwald because he's brilliant and i like most of what he says but not all of it andrew mccarthy of course amazing yeah and of course the

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of course amazing yeah and of course the politicians Nunez gates all great all right that's enough for now and I will talk to you yeah Michael Tracy another great one and I will talk to you all later