Episode 675 Scott Adams: Ukraine Persuasion, How to Know Who is Right

Date: 2019-09-26 | Duration: 44:06

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My new book LOSERTHINK goes on sale 11/5. Pre-order: https://bit.ly/2NRammu Dave Rubin’s cancelled Mohawk College event Bill Gates support for SAFE nuclear will be seen on Obama’s Netflix Democrats hid a key part of the Ukraine story in plain sight The underling to underling concept The “Dershowitz Standard” Ukrainian President Zelensky is a student of persuasion Did you catch all the techniques he used in the transcript? Persuasion concept of reciprocity

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everybody come on in here it's time for another coffee with Scott Adams you are about to have one of the best simultaneous sips of your entire month although they sometimes get better and better so come on in here take a seat we've got a fun day good topics good stuff and if you'd like to participate in the simultaneous that let's say this is your first time you might need some instructions otherwise you'd feel like you don't belong but I'm here to give you instructions if you'd like to participate in the simultaneous sip you only need one thing be it a cup or a mug your glasses time to tell us a tankard a thermos is last we can't even Grail a goblet a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee join me now for the simultaneous em put it to your lips when I give you the signal and enjoy the camaraderie the dopamine hit of the day the thing that makes everything better go all right so

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makes everything better go all right so we've got funny news and stupid news here's the stupidest news of the day yeah there's some news that you can't label any other way it's like well this is stupid news so you probably all know dave rubin from the rubin report i'll be a I think I'm gonna be on this show talking about my upcoming book in several weeks but Dave Rubin for if there's anybody here a dozen now Dave Rubin he identifies as liberal as gay and Jewish this is important to the following story otherwise not important but important to the following story he was giving he was going to do a an event with Maxime Bernier who I don't know anything about but maybe is a little controversial and it was gonna be at Mohawk College and then the local newspaper got into it and and

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the local newspaper got into it and and here's what they say about Dave Rubin now remember Dave Rubin is a liberal gay Jewish guy important to know before I tell you what the local paper said he was so this is the local paper you say dave rubin is a far-right youtube personality that parts right and a significant part of a radicalization process assuring people into the neo-nazi movement are you effing kidding me according to a recently published study out of Cornell University which analyzed 79 million comments and three hundred out of the videos below blah now do you believe the Dave Rubin is recruiting people into the KK into the neo-nazis that is the most insanely stupid defamatory slanderous libelous I

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stupid defamatory slanderous libelous I don't know all those words sound like to me it is so bad that is so bad I thought I had it bad yeah poor uh bill Polti I think he's on the the periscope today you heard what happened to him he tries to give away money give away money he's trying to like give away his own money and and help other people become part of the process of charity just try to create some kind of virtuous energy toward giving money what happened to Bill Paul T for being a charitable good person he got doxxed his wife is getting like threatening calls on her cell phone are you kidding me well what happened to the world what happened now I'll give you a little bit of an update on my situation so you know was a John Cook I can't remember his name but well I want him to talk about my

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him to talk about my just just say that I'm I'm pursuing some action against somebody who's just as bad but you know that story alright Bill Gates has a special on Netflix or it's a special on Netflix about Bill Gates I think ace mind and Netflix this is important remember Netflix is the Obama kind of a what do you call it a production company so Obama is working with Netflix so nobody would say Netflix is some conservative of any kind of outlet right it's clearly identified a little bit more with the left and so Netflix decides that the there one of the portions that they're going to tweet out to promote the Bill Gates show on Netflix the Bill Gates it's one it's not a show it's one one piece of content called Bill Gates mind I think and they tweeted out the part where Bill Gates is

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tweeted out the part where Bill Gates is saying that nuclear is the solution to climate change I'm simplifying but that's the sense of it now think about that there was Netflix this isn't some far-right hey we like nuclear power it's Netflix and it's Bill Gates and Netflix has decided that what the world needs to see cuz Netflix has a big footprint right what the world needs to say is that Bill Gates says that the new technologies and new developments and nuclear are going to be the way I think that's that feels like a turning point doesn't it because you've got Booker and yang and Biden they're all pro-nuclear and of course Republicans are almost all pro-nuclear so I feel like climate change is largely solved now by salt I don't mean fixed I mean that the path to fixing it is known it's possible not

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fixing it is known it's possible not just possible it's doable completely doable so we know how to do it it's completely practical we can get there it's a lot of work but we know how to get there and here's the hard part the left and the right largely agree now now that what you're watching is the left convincing itself so there are elements of let's say the the political left who are completely in agreement with the right on this on how to save the world and I don't think you would see this much agreement except that the left that the left has also scared themselves into action so as as many people have pointed out if if you're saying that climate change is real in the sense that it's a real near extinction risk so that's the real part whether it's an extinction level horrible cataclysmic future if you believe that and you've scared your own

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believe that and you've scared your own side into believing it suddenly the risk of nuclear seems irrelevant because you could actually let me put it in direct terms you could lose two or three nuclear plants you know just something bad happens and it would still be totally worth it even if you know a 10 or 20 mile piece of land wasn't usable at some point still the cost-benefit would be totally worth it now I shouldn't have even said that because as you know the risk for the new technologies the other the most current types of nuclear plants have never had any kind of bad event zero never it's only the older technologies that have ever had a bad event so everybody's on board now enough about that let's talk about the everybody wants to talk about Ukraine I've got an angle on Ukraine that you haven't heard so you're gonna be hearing all the same stories everywhere but let me I'll get and it'll

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everywhere but let me I'll get and it'll take me a while to work into it here but here's here's the first thing didn't we elect President Trump to pressure other leaders for things that we want am I wrong that the reason Trump was elected and indeed really that the job description of the President they should be pushing other leaders isn't that exactly why we hired him so I was rereading the the Ukrainian transcript of the phone call transcript if transcript dish because it's not exact and what I saw was the president who was using all the tools of his office and all the tools of being you know being the president basically and he was he was building a persuasive you know kind of a mode because he did mention things such as you know Ukraine's future could be great he did mention you know and of course the

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mention you know and of course the context is that there was some money out there that was slated and had not even been granted but let me ask you this let's say there was no such thing as president Trump but asking about Biden let's say that never happened what do you expect that Trump still would have told his people to hold off on the money to Ukraine until he talked to the leader of Ukraine do you see it yet of course he would because it's what he does every time in every situation the most basic thing that Trump does is if he's gonna go talk to a foreign leader the first thing you do is you stop that thing you were gonna give him you talked to him first let me put it in even more stark terms if you give money to the foreign leader before you talk to him you're a idiot am I wrong because the job of the president is to persuade other leaders

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president is to persuade other leaders I'm not wrong on that right we want him to persuade England we want him to persuade China we want him to persuade France we want them to persuade Israel that's what he's hired to do so if you sent him into a conversation with a foreign leader do you want to send him him armed or unarmed armed every time armed now you say to me but wait a minute this conversation was not about negotiating so if you took the Biden part out there wasn't even any anything to talk about it was just hey congratulations for winning your election right so you might say that wasn't really a negotiation situation so why without the Biden part why in the world would he held back let me let me give you the answer to that because he's smart that's why do you know why else you would hold back that until you talk to him because it makes it a treat when you get it he would pair if he's smart which

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get it he would pair if he's smart which is apparently he would pair the gift you know the money that we'd promised the actual giving of it with the conversation wouldn't you try to pair your conversation your first your first impression with a very large gift of course you would so every every reason in the world supports the idea that he should hold it until he has the conversation you could take Biden man in the whole story and it's exactly the same he should not have given them the money before he talked to him period now part of it was he needs to get the measure of the person because remember there was some question about corruption there was you know who knows what our relationship with Ukraine will be exactly until you get the new leader the leaders have to size each other up do you give somebody a whole bunch of money before you size them up before you see what what your deal is between leader leader well if you do you're an

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leader leader well if you do you're an idiot you're an idiot stopping the money until you have the conversation is always the smartest thing to do if you are in the most powerful country in the world and every conversation is persuasion because it is it would have been perfectly reasonable for the president to make it very clear to this guy that he's the guy he's the guy who determines if you get the money not Congress let me ask you this when we send our president overseas to negotiate for us do you want him to go unarmed do you want him to go into a conversation with a foreign leader and the foreign leader thinks I don't care about you because Congress is the one who gave me the money Congress is the one that's I need to worry about president do you want to send the president on armed into a conversation with another leader no no what's the best thing the president could do stop the money from the Congress walk into the conversation and make sure that whoever he's talking to knows who controls the money then

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to knows who controls the money then he's armed then he can do his job more effectively all right so take Biden out of the question and you still if you're smart you stop the money until the conversation secondly there is something extraordinarily brilliant in how the Democrats are playing this and I don't know that I've heard anybody say this yet so this will be the maybe the first time you've seen it you know I talked a lot about making you think past the sale so you've heard that from me a bunch of times if you can say to somebody just if this is the first time you've heard it a car salesman would say well do you do you like the red women to the blue one you know how will this look into your garage so he's making you think past the decision of do you buy the car and make you wrestle with the question of which color is going to be that's a salesman's trick to make you think past the decision of buying as if you've already bought it and think about what it looks

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bought it and think about what it looks like in the future there's a form of that not exactly the same thing with this Ukraine transcript and when I tell you you're gonna be mad you give me mad because there's there's something they've hidden in plain sight here it's like there's a part of the story that's just hiding and it's because there's a trick and one one side reveal the trick the thing they're hiding will just go whoop and you're gonna see it watch this and they're making you think of whether it's appropriate for the president to let's say pressure another leader and whether it's appropriate to offer some quid pro quo that's the only conversation we're having right all the conversation is about whether the president's process was appropriate what is the question we haven't asked the question nobody's asking is is it a fair question if Biden is guilty it's a whole

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question if Biden is guilty it's a whole different story right if if Biden was actually guilty of something that's all that matters I mean that's that changes the whole story because of course the president should have asked about that how about this CrowdStrike stuff that he also asked about should the president have asked about that yes so the the Democrats were making us making the world think past the question of think past the issue of whether these are good questions that a president should get the answer to and they are good questions that the president should get an answer to here's the some of the dumbest tanks I've seen them the story on Twitter people saying well that's not the president's job that's the FBI's job to figure that stuff out well if that's something you say if you're very inexperienced if you have experience working in big organizations you would know that when the underlings try to talk it's usually just a roadblock cuz underling to underling that the underling you're trying to get something

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underling you're trying to get something honorable say yes you know I'm a job I don't have authority you know no reason to work with you et cetera underling to underling is rarely a productive path and when that fails and maybe you try that first but if it fails and it probably did you move it up - boss - boss and then when boss the boss makes an agreement that something's gonna happen you tell your underlings and then they can maybe communicate a little bit better and get something done but those people who say no it's the FBI you've never worked in any kind of a large organization underling - underlaying is rarely a productive path so so it does perfectly appropriate that the bosses talk about that now so anyway did you see the magic trick y'all saw that right we're being made to think past the sale of whether or not the Biden thing has any meat to it the whistle you know I introduced the idea

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whistle you know I introduced the idea of two movies playing on one screen and we've never seen a better example than this people are reading the same transcript and saying completely different movies and I've been trying to see the other one you know sort of like a yani Laurel thing where you squint and you see it see if you can see the other movie on your screen and I can't quite see it which doesn't mean it's not there right you can't really say the other movie is wrong you could only say I can only see mine now here's a little tip for deciding what is real and what is not I talk about this a lot but I want you to apply it to this situation and it's the how to tell who is hallucinating hallucinations are generally additions additions to a scene it's the hallucinate arisia something that isn't there so if you have two people looking at the same data the same content to same anything and one group says oh it's

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same anything and one group says oh it's here is here look at it can you read I mean I'm ready it's right in front of me and the other group who are also legitimate you know ordinary adults are looking at the same thing at the same time and they go oh yeah I don't see it well I don't see anything under those conditions who do you bet on always better than one who doesn't see it kind of likewise if the two networks I like to use Fox News and CNN but you could substitute any left and right you know Anna let's if one of them is reporting the thing is true and the other is not it's probably not right Russia collusion CNN reports it's true Fox News reports is not it's not the ones who are seeing it we're seeing confirmation bias the ones who didn't see it were not affected by confirmation bias because they were not inclined to believe it was true so the people who

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believe it was true so the people who don't see a thing are far more likely to be the ones who are right in the end you want to try some more I'm gonna try some some you don't like uranium one I watched the uranium one handle for months and months and months from people saying it's a big old scandal and I would listen to it and even on the surface the way it was reported I would say I don't see anything I don't see anything there I see all the right people signed off I see no shortage of uranium in the world that matters I see that the mind involved was actually physically in the United States so if we ever needed it we could just take it I mean really we could just take it if it was anything like emergency need and sure enough you've seen no prosecutions I just sorted I didn't so use that use that standard it is not a hundred percent accurate but as far as I know I can't

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accurate but as far as I know I can't think of a time in the at least in the political sense that it hasn't worked you can you could do some hind casting with that and well it would be a little bit hard for you to check because if you hide and cast with that it's going to tell you some of the things you do believe are not real yeah the embassy sonic weapon attack some people could see it as clear as day I couldn't to me to me that was completely non-existent couldn't see a whiff of it and it looks like it probably doesn't exist all right here is so then the whistleblowers report comes out and it just turns out it's secondhand reporting about something he heard in the meeting on the transcript we've already seen so I think I think this thing's falling apart and then I heard about but I did not see myself so I look for some confirmation I believe Alan Dershowitz was on probably Fox News yesterday and just took the piss out of the whole the whole

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took the piss out of the whole the whole Ukrainian thing just no law no laws broken nothing impeachable I just used the dirty with standard I urge you wait for Dershowitz to tell you what this means in on this or other topics because he's the only freaking person on the whole planet who has a sufficient background who is willing to be honest he's the only one willing to try who also has you know all the legal credentials the the guy's become sort of a national treasure in the sense of sorting things out for us all right here Oh Howard Kurtz had what I think is one of the worst takes on the Ukrainian situation uh-huh so so Howard says Howard Kurtz and for context he's on Fox News and I don't identify him as

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on Fox News and I don't identify him as being right or left so he's a media critic type so my observation is he tried he does try to play it as close as he could get to the middle woman one of the few people who actually tries to do that so I love the show by the way so Howard Kurtz is I'm a big fan of his but the following take on the transcript I think is one of the worst here's why what he noted was that when he read the transcript one of his takeaways was and sort of a test he would put on it to see how important it is he said and I quote but if you flipped the script the script if Barack Obama asked Ukraine in 2011 to help investigate one of the Mitt Romney's sons one of Mitt Romney sons Republicans would have gone nuclear now first of all that's true right we'd all agree that if the situation were reversed because we live in the political world and there's a big

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political world and there's a big election coming up that if you reverse the facts the Republicans would be the ones you know going nuclear I think that's a fair statement just because we live in a political world but that has nothing to do with how important the actual event is that's that's a political statement it is politically true that the Republicans will go nuts if Democrats do something Democrats will go nuts if Republicans do something if you reverse in this situation the other one would go nuts that's true of every situation you can't think of any topic where you couldn't reverse it and the other side would go nuts so using the if I reversed at the other side we've got dots as any kind of a standard to reach a decision about how you should feel about it it just doesn't connect so I think you should reject the standard of how would you feel if this were reversed it's useful to tell you that you're being biased about it maybe that part's really good as an exercise for

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part's really good as an exercise for your own your own checking of your bias is really helpful to do so Howard Kurtz has a very helpful suggestion that indirectly in the sense that you should always reverse and say oh what would this look like if the other side we're doing it would I feel the same that's a good question to ask but it does it has nothing to do with whether it's impeachable has nothing to do with a brother it's illegal it has nothing to do with really how you should how you should see it because if you're trying to be unbiased it wouldn't matter what other people would think in other situations that's the least important thing I don't care what somebody else hypothetically would have thought and in a hypothetical situation I just care about this one alright apparently the President had has given alternate stories for why the money was held one of them was other countries we're not pulling their weight and helping Ukraine I think and I think that was also

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I think and I think that was also reinforcing the phone call so we judged that to be true than other countries are not pulling their weight and that it was an issue and they had been talking about it that would be a good reason to at least hold back the money a little bit just those sort of see maybe maybe maybe they put a little pressure on other people we don't know if that's the one reason and then another reason the president gave is that Ukraine is corrupt you needed to sort of feel out the new leader to see if this money is going to go into a corrupt or non corrupt hands and this guy seems to be a corruption fighter at least you know you just labeled that way so here's the thing does it matter that he gave two different stories for why he did it that doesn't strike me the same and again I'll use my you know what happens if the other side had two different stories for something would I feel differently and the answer is now here's the standard for you if somebody has two or three reasons for doing something they're probably all true

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something they're probably all true sometimes you you're thinking about one sometimes you think that's the important one because if you were to say which is more important if the fact that other countries were not putting in the money not pulling their weight is that more important than the fact that you the Ukraine might have some corruption and the money not might not be not be used correctly well on any given day you might think you might reverse those if you're talking in public you might say yeah we're not gonna you know it's because the other countries aren't pulling the weight but you're trying to influence the other countries another time if you're maybe it's a press conference or something you might call out the corruption so whether this was a Democrat or a Republican I always give everybody two or three reasons if they make sense if any of those reasons are just ridiculous and you have to reassess but for big complicated situations having two or three good reasons while you're doing it and not exactly knowing

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you're doing it and not exactly knowing how to rank them or which one to highlight first but that's just business as usual the one you want to watch out for is when there are 10 reasons I call that the laundry list if you see you know a whole list of reasons for anything a list of reasons why the president is really an alien from space or whatever once you get to a whole number they're probably all bad two or three is normal all right here is here is my take on that you haven't seen yet president zalenski of the Ukraine is a student of persuasion surprise well here are some pull quotes from the transcript you pay for this look for the pacing so pacing is where you agree and become the other person so watch him agree with

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the other person so watch him agree with and become Trump watch this this is a zalenski from the transcript you are absolutely you are absolutely right mr. president see the pacing is already starting we did win big win big win big Lee win big win big Lee and we work hard for this one of the two things that Trump likes better than anything winning big and working hard energy and winning the two biggest things that Trump cares about this is Alinsky put it in one sentence and you say to yourself you say to yourself well Scott that might be a coincidence it might be a coincidence that in one sentence he's freakin nailing nailing it but is it wait did you hear what he said next he says this is still szalinski says we worked a lot but I would like to confess to you that I had an opportunity

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confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you so zalenski is saying he learned from President Trump then he says we use quite a few of your skills and knowledge and we're able to use it as an example to our elections yes it is true that these were unique elections so you see he's agreeing with everything the president saying and then these are amplifying we won big we work hard and we use your skills to do it now if you say it's just flattery you're operating the 2d world flattery works yeah there's no question the flattery is a thing and it works but he's this is this is nuclear flattery the flattery is almost a cover for the fact that these are these are pacing skills
here's that a little bit later this is Lenski says in response to something the president said he says well yes to tell you the truth to tell

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well yes to tell you the truth to tell you the truth that little statement is you just slip that in there to tell you the truth because you uncritically hear that as the truth is coming even though you haven't heard what it is yet we were trying to work hard because we see work hard again he keep saying work hard work hard work hard what does this president like better than hard work fricking nothing right except maybe money on ax but I mean he loves hard work and he says we're trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in this country I am now of course he is a he was a corruption fighter that was what he was trying to brand himself so the the the the general statement of course you'd expect him to say but he uses the president's language drain the swamp remember he's not a Native American speaker this is alinsky isn't he's he's clever he's clever then

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isn't he's he's clever he's clever then the president says something and then zalenski responds he goes yes you were absolutely right not only a hundred percent but actually a thousand percent who who do you know that would go from a hundred percent right to a thousand percent right President Trump I don't know any other politician who would speak in that style the Zielinski is pacing the heck out of him I mean really really well this is good technique so the whole story that you've been watching is that Trump was pressuring zalenski here's the story you didn't watch the Lenski was giving it as good as he was getting this is a Lensky has some game and I didn't know that until I read the transcript zalenski is no idiot Lansky is learning and he is learning fast and it's working you've won the election so now listen to Trump the

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election so now listen to Trump the negotiator now I said before that you always want to send your your leader in to negotiate he's always negotiating even if he's not negotiating everything a leader does with another leader is negotiation even if they're not calling it that right let's let's agree we're adults it's all influence because even if they're just trying to be friends that's part of the negotiation so here's something that Trump says Trump says United States has been very good to Ukraine I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very good to Ukraine that's the the process of reciprocity right so the president is saying we've given you something meaning generally we're you know we're good to you creating a situation where on his own zalenski is supposed to be thinking oh I owe you one right now you're calling it mob talk I would call it just the president doing his job if the president doesn't talk like this with every leader every time

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like this with every leader every time he's not doing his job this this is exactly how he should be talking to every leader every time if if you're saying that there's something special about this conversation that I think you're missing some context this is how the president should talk with every leader foe or friend every time the the president should bring the entire weight of the office to every conversation with every leader the whole weight of the office he should not leave any of that home the whole weight and he's bringing it it's like a United States has been very good to you I don't see that comment back that is frickin exactly why he was elected all right let me be as clear as I can if we send a president into a meeting like this with any any major leader and he doesn't do this he doesn't create the situation that says we've been good to you let's see what you can do for us

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what you can do for us if he's not creating that feeling he's not doing his job you need another president one who knows how to how to walk into a room and own it president Truong knows how to walk into a room and own it now he's got the full weight of the office and the United States behind him and he brings it he brings the whole office every time because he's not dumb of course you bring the whole office you're bringing the whole bag every time why would you leave anything home all right here's some more listen through Solinsky do some more pacing so this is Lenski and that's transcript he says it turns out that even though logically the European Union should be our biggest partner with Ukraine but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union how much does Trump want to hear that he's better than the European Union and he goes on and now very grateful to you for that because the United States is

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for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine pacing pacing pacing much more than the European Union especially when we were talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation the United States is much better than the European Union all right so are you watching this dance so Trump comes into the dance he says the United States is doing way more than Ukraine is doing for us how do you counter that if you're that if you're just as persuasive as Trump what's a good counter to that a really good counter that that is Wow you're way better than the European Union because when you say you're way better than the European Union how does that Trump make Trump feel that he's good where he is that the current situation is good hey I like being better than the European Union and I love hearing Ukraine say it so zalenski in real time very cleverly created a new frame which is not the United States vs

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frame which is not the United States vs Ukraine who can be better to each other that was Trump's frame and it was the right frame to bring zalenski very quickly in real time turns it into the United States first the European Union and hey you're winning you're way better than the European Union this is really really good stuff if you can't see why is it less key won the election you're missing a good show and then szalinski says I would like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense we're ready to continue he says specifically we're almost ready to buy more javelins from the United States for defense purposes damn zalinsky just told the president that he would buy more military stuff if the president kept being good to Ukraine now he didn't say quid pro quo he didn't say qui RIT would pro quo but he did suggest that if the Ukraine has a

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he did suggest that if the Ukraine has a lot of money to buy some military equipment that the president would be very happy if was what zalenski is giving as good as he's getting maybe better I mean he's got some serious game here all right Trump says the other thing the other thing so when he asked for a favor he was talking about the CrowdStrike stuff look into the crowd stray stuff but then later on he goes the other thing so you could you could reasonably say that this is part of the question about I need a favor here here's a lot to talk about Biden son the Biden's stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so he says a lot of people want to find out about that that's just true right a lot of people want to find out about that so so do whatever you can with the Attorney General Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecutions so if you can lock look into it he goes his sounds horrible to me now the counter to that if you haven't heard it is that the prosecutor was widely considered not

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prosecutor was widely considered not effective and not fighting corruption so there were it seems there were good reasons that he was fired and that maybe Biden had had some good reasons for him to be fired that weren't necessarily family related but I don't know what they were so here's the thing is it fair to say that there were some uncertainty both with Trump and with all of us about what the Biden's we're doing over there there were right you you and I don't exactly know why it is the hunter Biden got paid so much other than it looks sketchy right wouldn't you like to know don't we all have a right to know shouldn't we know what was going on if Biden is leading in the polls in a matchup in the general election it's the most I would say if you were if you were to rank all the things that the president should be doing you could make an argument that should be first if you want to make a rank of all the things President Trump

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rank of all the things President Trump should do the highest priority to the lowest I would say close to the highest would be making sure that the guy who's leading in the polls to be President of the United States doesn't have what looks like an obvious conflict of interest with a major country that's connected to Russia how is that not the president's top priority given that you know we don't have a war going on that's a hot war right now and the economy's chugging along I would say that might have been the president's top priority even if when they look into it there's nothing there there might be nothing there but certainly looking into it it's got to be a top priority all right then Zaleski says I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly
oh now this was still Trump saying Trump said I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor I guess that's not for to debate so good luck with everything and

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debate so good luck with everything and then the president says your economy is going to get better and better I predict you have a lot of assets it's a great country and he says he has many Ukrainian friends so there's the president he likes to paint that picture of everything's going to be good for you but it's also sort of suggested that they're good working with each other it might be part of it even though he doesn't state that it's just sort of the proximity to it that makes you think well there's something about this productive you know working with the United States and the fact that you're a great country something good can happen and then the Lensky throws in that on some trips the United States you stayed at Trump Tower I love that part this olanski just like tosses that in and I stay at Trump Tower what does that do concept of reciprocity you say to yourself that is such a trivial thing there is no way that the president of the United States is going to be influenced by one guy staying in his hotel he's a billionaire couldn't possibly matter now well somebody sega's

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possibly matter now well somebody sega's flattery I don't know I wouldn't I wouldn't say that was flattery that when he threw in that he was staying at Trump Tower I would say that was closer to the concept of reciprocity I gave you something and here's the thing reciprocity doesn't require you to give the same amount so a salesperson will say hey can I send you some tickets to the show you know they're worth a few hundred bucks and you say yeah I can and then you pick that vendor over the other vendors for a multi-million dollar project so the concept of reciprocity does not does not require equal value I could give you a stick of gum for nothing just hey would you like some gum and you will automatically be tuned to being friendlier to anything that I need later it's how reciprocity works so that little comment I stayed at Trump Tower good stuff good stuff now I don't know who's advising him but I know he used to praise win big and I would be surprised

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praise win big and I would be surprised if nobody on the Ukraine team read win big Lee just saying so I've got a run I've got somebody coming keep an eye out for szalinski on the world stage here's my prediction zalenski is going to be bigger than Ukraine zalenski is going to be bigger than Ukraine because of skill that's my prediction so that's all for today I got to go do some other stuff and I will talk to you later