Episode 620 Scott Adams: Let’s Talk About All The LoserThink About Mass Shootings

Date: 2019-08-06 | Duration: 59:38

Topics

We need a legitimate opinion on gun control…none exist, why? Commercializing tragedy…creates more tragedy Complex situations attributed to a single variable is lying or stupid I grade President Trump’s speech about the shootings…an “F” Mental health issues for both shooters?

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Ben Ben Ben Ben bum bum bum bum bum bum bum you know what I just realized I'm in a different time zone than the rest of you so this periscope is the wrong time for you what time is it where you are hey everybody well I'm coming to you from a secure undisclosed location which I can't mention for security reasons but what time is it oh it's 8 a.m. Oh so I've already well this doesn't help me because I don't know I don't know what time zone you're in but I do know what time it is everywhere it's time for the simultaneous zip it is and if you're prepared you already have some kind of a compromise of steinege Ellis a tankard it could be a thermos of flasks a canteen some kind of a vessel something like that fill it with your favorite liquid and please join me now for the unparalleled pleasure of this

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for the unparalleled pleasure of this simultaneous imp oh man I'm feeling the dopamine going through my body I've got a pet peeve I have to tell you about it's a it's a rich guy complaint so I normally wouldn't talk about it but you've already formed your opinions of me so it doesn't matter have you ever been at a hotel so already it's a rich guy complaint but if you've ever been in a hotel in you order room service and all you want is for that person who delivers your food to leave your room it's all you want you just want them to bring the food put it somewhere and then turn around and walk right out but instead they they try to work for the tip and so they'll take each item on their little room sort of saying this 1/4 let me move this as slowly as possible from the tray upon which I brought it in here into its exact place

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brought it in here into its exact place in front of you can you feel your your getting cold can you feel your your food is getting cold your coffee is getting cold and I put a fork down and now let me let me slowly take every item which we've put cellophane on and let me unwrap it but not in a fast way let me unwrap it always your coffee getting cold how about your bagel is it getting cold let me slowly in slow motion unwrap it man you're hungry oh man I'll bet you want to eat let me unwrap it and move it slowly over to your table there and now how about a spoon uh anyway that's my rich guy complaint from the day we all have bigger problems than that but I can't it just makes me crazy so I meet them at the door and they'll let them in that's a good idea so some of you actually have the same meet them at the

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actually have the same meet them at the door give them a tip and take the car that's exactly what I'm going to start doing I get it's funny I see that I can see that you've all had the same frustration I cannot stand watching my food get cold well the slow motion the service is going on here's another complaint I have this tour called CVS around me and no matter what you buy you could buy a candy bar and they'll give you a length of receipt a piece of paper that's you know this wide and usually it's almost six feet long and that's not an exaggeration it's actually you can hold it here it would unfold to your feet it's got all these discounts and coupons on and information and then you're supposed to save this gigantic ball of paper until the next time you go to the CVS because it's got some valuable discount on it or actually they'll give you free money toward your next purchase there's actually money on

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next purchase there's actually money on that six foot long coupon but of course you have to go several times to CVS in order to get get enough to have some money back so by the time you're done you would feel like a bushel Cardon with nothing but these balled up giant pieces of wiry paper and here's my reaction every time I go to save yes I go to CVS and they they give me the receipt and I hate them with a white-hot fire so if there's anybody at CVS watching this you're a customer service method of giving me a 6 foot long piece of paper no matter the purchase makes me white-hot hate your brand because it's abusive and you're just doing it for well let's let's not kid ourselves the reason they do it is so that you won't keep the piece of paper how often have I ever used the discounts that they give

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ever used the discounts that they give me on a 6 foot piece of paper zero zero lifetime usage of the money and free money that they give me so when they give me the free money in the physical form of a giant ball of paper what do I think about CVS all I think is if anybody ever built a store next to you that they had all the same products but didn't have this piece of paper associated with it I would never shop a CVS again I freaking hate your company every time you do that to me because you give me free money and then tell me I can't spend it and I know I'm just being abused so Safeway is just as bad anyway some reasons why not email the receipt the reason is because if you emailed the receipt people could more easily save it and reproduce it the whole point is they think you're getting free money back but you're getting in a form you can never use unless you're the most anal person in the world and you keep huge baskets

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in the world and you keep huge baskets of receipts and then every time you want to go to the store you you pour through your huge basket you know piles and piles of paper until you find it anyway that's my complaints for the day let's talk about loser think and mass shootings so of course whatever there's a mass shooting everybody in the world try
try to commercialize the politicians try to turn it into a political weapon everyone in the media gets clicks by covering the news even though they know that covering the news makes things worse this is one of those weird situations in which normally the news by its nature is a public service because the citizens want to be informed but the news about the mass shootings is the one exception it's the opposite of a service for the public because it creates more shootings which

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because it creates more shootings which creates more stories which the news can report on so it's a self-perpetuating cycle but it's not for your good you know it probably is a public good that we know it happened that could have been entirely covered in 24 hours so for example we could have a law or even just a let's say an understanding it doesn't have to be a law that these get covered for 24 hours you know just so you get the facts out no pictures and then you do an update let's say you do an update in one week let's say that was the rule but just for example just a thought experiment it's a little rule where it's a little rule that just minimizes how much attention against well that would be bad for the news business so instead the news feeds us on ending content that gets all mix all of our hairs catch on fire

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hairs catch on fire notice how the public is reacting to this it's because of the news the news is getting everybody worked up so the news is commercializing on the disaster all of the politicians are commercializing on the disaster all of the pundits including me right now as we speak I'm in effect commercializing the disaster cuz to the extent that I put this on YouTube later actually no because on YouTube is demonetized so I might be the only person whose Demond who was not monetizing it because youtube doesn't let me but if they did I would be talking about it there was disasters on this periscope the periscope would eventually be uploaded to YouTube and then it would be monetized but that doesn't happen in my case because I'm D monetized upon publication so there's a I saw a letter to the editor in the San Jose Mercury

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to the editor in the San Jose Mercury yesterday in which the person said I was vile and he was going to throw away L as Dilber books I was vile because I mentioned during the garlic this was the the third shooting ago there have been so many mass shootings it's hard to keep them straight but the Gilroy one I mentioned that my my startups app would be a good tool for people to collect eyewitness accounts and do it efficiently I forgot to mention that you can set your price as zero which I would assume people would do if they were just trying to get the information now but they wouldn't have to it's just I assume that they would and so there was no profit motive in it but somebody wrote a or at least there's no way to directly profit in my case with the startup that was never an intention because there wasn't any way to do that anyway well even if people had used it and even if they charged you know the the the most the company could have made would be

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the company could have made would be five dollars if somebody you know would stay down there for a few minutes and that'd be about it and then the five dollars would be you know split five ways so I had maybe I had maybe a dollar on the line but somebody writes to the San Jose Mercury News to complain about me commercializing the disaster do you see any hypocrisy in using the San Jose Mercury News as your vehicle for complaining about people commercialized disasters that's what they do that's what the San Jose Mercury does it's not the only thing they do right yeah they cover all the news commercializing disasters those are the people whose vehicle you used to complain about me commercializing the disaster how does that not obvious to people well I'm not sure that people care about what's obvious anymore people

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care about what's obvious anymore people care about can you make a you know a political point so let's talk about that let's talk about the shootings and all the crazy people and the loser thinking about that so aoc says that it's not video games that are the problem it's white supremacy to which I say in my retweet of her tweet anybody who's telling you the problem of mass shootings is caused by one variable is either lying or stupid now in your case I don't believe she's stupid so I think she's just lie for a political game now all the politicians that have weighed in probably on both sides I'd say they're mostly illegitimate so let me just say that again every politician weighing in with any opinion no matter what their opinion is as long as it's on this topic they're all illegitimate do you want to

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they're all illegitimate do you want to hear a legitimate opinion now you don't you don't even have to agree with what I say next the only thing I'm trying to sell you is that that this opinion if so if someone had this opinion it would be legitimate legitimate means they're not doing it for self-interest here's a legitimate opinion on gun gun control we don't know what to do but we have lots of ideas we can try states that have already tried some of it let's do a deeper dive to find out if any of it's working if any of it's working let's consider making it more widespread for example apparently there are these red flag laws and I think Massachusetts has one few other states in which somebody can be flagged as having potential mental or violence problem and they have handguns and there's some legal process in which they can be temporarily removed to remove the danger

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temporarily removed to remove the danger does it work does it work I don't know do you know I don't know if there's a way to know because if you take somebody's got away and then they don't do a shooting you don't know you don't know if they would have done the shooting I think you have to do it probably for a while before you can determine whether or not it worked but you could certainly say we'd like to do a deep dive on this and get to a better common understanding now if you said that let's try some things and see what works I would say well that sounds to me like somebody who actually just wants to solve a problem but if you say and every time it doesn't matter who it is doesn't matter if it's Trump saying it doesn't matter if it's AOC saying it doesn't matter which politician or pundit is saying it if you hear this form of an argument well the problem is X doesn't

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argument well the problem is X doesn't matter what X is doesn't matter you can fill in X with anything and the person who's talking is lying or stupid it's the end of the story you don't have to listen to them if somebody says the problem is too many guns they're lying or they're stupid if they say the problem is video games and nothing else they're lying or they're stupid if somebody says it's it's a way supremacy they're lying or they're stupid that's it it doesn't matter what you feel in X with if it's just one variable you're lying or you're stupid now and this this applies to the ones that you like too so if there's somebody on your side who's coming out in public and saying well the problem is X they're lying or they're stupid because whatever whatever the situation is there's certainly lots of variables let me give you some

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of variables let me give you some backing for this opinion so their New York Times those story that said video games have been studied and they can find no causation so in other words they can't find causation between video games and the people who consume them more likely to cause a mass shooting are you convinced is that the end of video games video games been cleared because they did a study and they found no confirmed causation and in fact not even the correlation so there's neither causation nor even correlation between how much video games use you consume and whether or not you become a mass shooter so end of story no wrong question here's the right question how many mass shootings happen in countries that have access to guns but for whatever reason nobody watches video games and nobody

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nobody watches video games and nobody consumes movies well that doesn't exist right you can't actually study the effects of video games when they are universal and in fact the New York Times article said as much they said that video games are universal and here's where they they add the loser think this is so dumb that I feel like it gave me a headache reading it they say that video games and violent ones are universal and not everybody is becoming a mass shooter so therefore video games are not the cause right now they didn't say it as directly as I'm saying but that was the inference does that make sense no let me explain the problem with new thinking and I said this before but I'm gonna connect it to this explanation people do the things they can think of that are doable you don't do things you can't imagine what

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don't do things you can't imagine what today I'm going to spend the entire day doing things that I have thought of before I'm drinking coffee this is something I have thought of before I did not wake up and order an exotic kombucha well maybe I thought of that one before but nobody who has never heard of kombucha has ever ordered one before hasn't happened no one who is never heard of yoga has ever accidentally done it do you feel me no I'm gonna say that again because I liked it so much nobody who has never heard of yoga has ever accidentally done it likewise mass shootings happen exactly because they're top of mind it doesn't matter that you played a lot of video games it doesn't matter how many movies

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games it doesn't matter how many movies you've seen in which there are lots of mass shootings is simply matters that it's top of mind so the culture does create a situation where mass shootings are the first thing you think of what's the first thing you think of this week mass shootings it's all we're talking about and it's on the news it's in the movies it's on TV it's in video games that so now the problem is there's probably no way to get rid of it and here's the other loser think how many times are people gonna say this stupid ass thing and again I'm going to talk about both sides everything I'm saying so far is equally applicable to the left and the right program anti-gun and everybody in between just making Universal statements it is looser think meaning an unproductive way of thinking to imagine that finding the cause helps you find the solution it's a

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cause helps you find the solution it's a big big problem and you see it all the time in other words let's say let's say you imagined that the problem was white supremacists and let's say it was true let's say it was a world where he only had one variable and it was that does that mean that fix involves only doesn't mean that the only way to fix it is to go after a white supremacist well you might want to go after them for you know other reasons but the thing is it might be that the problem is the way supremacist but the solution is a gun law I don't know which one and I'm not promoting anyone in particular I'm just saying that if you think the problem has to be directly related to the solution that those those two things have to be connected then you're not smart enough to be in the conversation because they never need to be connected the problem could be Trump's rhetoric the problem could be video games and again I'm not saying

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video games and again I'm not saying there's ever one variable but even if you imagine hypothetically there were one variable for the shootings and you could identify it let's say the one variable is mental illness or the one variable is gods whatever it is even hypothetically if you could identify it you wouldn't tell you what to do because the solutions are often unrelated so the solution might be just preventing access to something or you know who knows so you got to decouple what's the problem from what's the fix and if you can't do that you're probably a political candidate you'll notice that the the political people can't do that but they're trying to sell to you that it makes sense to even think of it that way if you can't even frame the problem correctly well you're not really qualified to be a leader
somebody says firearms are far harder to obtain today than in 1965 what happened here's my theory at least a theory that

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here's my theory at least a theory that goes to the the a ours and the the scary looking rifles so I hear the argument that you can do as much damage with handguns you know if you're determined to do that so I I hear the drum I can hear the gun experts saying it's not the gun it's the person but let's go with that let's say it is the person is the person separate from the gun can Kenny ever say that the the person is an entity completely separable from the gun well you can in a legal sense because a gun can't commit a crime a human can commit a crime with a gun and then they go to jail so in a legal sense you can absolutely separate them there's a clean total universally agreed seperation guns don't create crimes they're just tools right so it's so hard to read your

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right so it's so hard to read your comments and think at the same time every now and then I'll lose my train of thoughts it'll take me take me a minute to get back so what I was saying here was that you can't really separate the person from the gun because people choose guns for emotional reasons let me say this if a ours if those a our rifles looked like a nerd weapon would there be as many mass shootings with those weapons nope I'd be willing to bet that that's not the case the coolness of those weapons in other words the the the awesomeness of the look and feel and how it makes you respond to it is like the woman and the person sort of become one entity in the sense and it might be more useful to think of it that way because here's here's an idea that I've

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because here's here's an idea that I've heard nobody suggests which is to make to make rifles less awesome now I'm not I'm not suggesting that I'm just saying why hasn't that been in the conversation because if you tell me that a a 20-something year old male let's just say 20 years as sort of an average for shooters if you tell me that a young male is going to want to do a mass shooting with an unmanly weapon and an awesome-looking weapon I'll tell you not less they're severely mentally disturbed in which case and you know anything goes but you can't separate the feeling that people get from an AR from their actions with it the the person in the gun sort of become one entity because they're compatible in that way the gun is perfectly designed to have an effect on

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perfectly designed to have an effect on the user because remember guns have been made for a long time and the natural evolution of gun design is if a gun maker makes a gun that doesn't have a cool look people will buy it because you have a choice of lots of different guns and so you choose the ones that makes you feel a certain way you know on top of function you wanted to feel a certain way now could this be tested is there a way to test this hypothesis I don't know might be but the point is that if we say there's a 1:1 thing and we're trying to separate it and say that's the problem it's either the person or the gun look at what you've missed as soon as you say is either this or it's this you've missed the fact that the gun and the person or one unit that they work together the gun changes the gun changes the mind of the user you don't think so because

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of the user you don't think so because I'd love to see anybody debate this let me let me give you this mental I'll give you a a mental experiment let's say you're pro-gun but you don't own a gun okay so here's the scenario just imagine that your pro gun in general but you've never owned a gun most of you can't imagine X I think most of you own guns but just imagine you've never owned one you're just not opposed to them and then then somebody gives you let's say it's a gift I don't know if that's even legal but let's say you acquire you buy and they are because your friends have one and you just you know want to own a gun for safety whatever so you get in there now you're a person who had not thought of any bad uses from the gun but now you've got it into your hand and you're looking at yourself in the mirror do you think in in the history of people who have bought

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in the history of people who have bought ARS is there even one person who ever bought an AR and did not look at themselves in the mirror holding it probably never I'll bet in the history of of those rifles no one has ever bought one took it home unwrapped it and not stood in front of the mirror because that's what you do now once you're standing in front of the mirror with an instrument thing that is able to kill lots of people does it change how you think of course it does because everything you do changes how you think everything you focus on changes what you think so if you stand there with a gun and you play with it enough you are automatically going to be thinking about shooting mass numbers of people and you and the gun becomes sort of one mind the gun is not separate from you the gun is changing who you are in real time the gun is rewiring your mental

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the gun is rewiring your mental processes simply by standing from the mirror and looking at yourself holding it did you know that you could check it I mean I don't know how easy that would be a check but common sense and the way the mind works tells you that every experience rewires your brain that's what experience does and that specific experience takes you to mind to a very dark place and instantly it does so
think about the complexity in the situation and when you see anybody saying is one thing just know that they're lying or stupid I'm seeing people talk about how many mass shootings were under Obama but every time I see that I do not see a compared and why not don't make the point if you're gonna make your point look like you're lying

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make your point look like you're lying here's the point that looks like you're a liar even if you're not lying so if you have the facts on your side don't present the facts in exactly the way that sounds like you're lying here so I'm talking about so people will say under Obama there were X number of mass shootings okay that's just the fact now if you don't compare that to the first you know three years or whatever of Trump so we can see okay is it going up are they the same kinds of shooting or the body count going up is er there's a different ideology what's different if you haven't done that just shut up about it because showing showing us that there were mass shootings in the past has no use unless we're comparing them to the present and even then you might be seeing more you know you might be seeing something you can't explain it doesn't mean therefore it's the president because that's just one of the variables that have changed a

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one of the variables that have changed a lot of variables have changed presidents just one of them there's a question about whether white supremacists are mentally ill was a was Elizabeth Warren who said that in a tweet that waist' that white supremacy is not mental illness and so I asked myself is that true you know where do you draw the line at mental illness because I would say mental illness would be if you're if you're looking at yeah I would define mental illness as if somebody says hey look at this coffee cup and you look at it you say no I see a frog no it's coffee cup there's nobody else now is it I think it's a frog and everybody else uses the caustic coffee cup well you say the person who sees a frog might be mentally ill and so I ask you this in my

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mentally ill and so I ask you this in my life which is very very long I've met good people and bad people of all types I've met people I would consider racists even people who would consider themselves racists but here's what I have not met in my let's say in 20 years in 20 years I've never spoken to a single person and I've trust me I've spoken to bad people I've spoken to people who have committed every kind of crime who have the worst thoughts the worst that i-i've really trust me I know some bad people but even I and and it's part of my philosophy that I will unreservedly spend time any way I want with anybody I want no matter how bad they are no matter how good they are it's why I hold that as an absolute freedom of which nobody can I won't let anybody interfere with that but in all

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anybody interfere with that but in all of that I've never met a white supremacist and I'm gonna be maybe I'll end my career by saying this so let's see how this goes I've never never met a white racist we thought that white people were better as sports then let's say black people just to pick one example nor have I ever met a white racist who thought that white people have the highest IQ among the various ethnicities because they generally say that's that's you know Asians have higher IQs this is what the races say and they say that as a measure Jews or whatever have high IQs and so I've met races but I've never met a supremacist in the last 20 years or so because your eyes are telling you white people are not supreme like here's my coffee cup

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not supreme like here's my coffee cup it's not a frog if I turn it on the TV and look at sports you know the highest level of athletic prowess I'm not seeing white people dominate are you I'm seeing the opposite so certainly white people are not dominating in any physical way if you look at mental well how do you measure that if it's college if it's college Ashkenazi Jews was the phrase I was looking for thank you somebody help me in the comments if you think IQ is how you measure intelligence even the races say we're not anywhere near at the top and here's the even more weird part if you were a white supremacist what exactly would you look to to make the determination that you were awesome well usually they look to people who invented things and you know people who did great things in the past you know and they say hey look at all the look at all the

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hey look at all the look at all the things that were invented by white people but those white people are not you they're not me I mean I invented Dilbert I didn't change the world I didn't invite the I didn't invent the like you the light bulb I didn't invent the computer I didn't I didn't invent a car I didn't invent much of anything so in my opinion there probably is no such thing as a white supremacist except people who have some mental problems there are definitely a racists ordinary racists who just say well you know every every group has some advantages and disadvantages that would be what the racists would say but I just prefer you know my people for whatever reason those people exist plenty of those people and they're in every group but but I've

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they're in every group but but I've never met a somebody who literally thought that white people in some general way were superior to other groups I just haven't met that and so I question whether they exist but if they do exist I don't know how they could not be considered mentally challenged because the evidence is just refuses so cleanly alright um so there's that so I'm reading a fascinating book that I haven't finished so I have more to say about it but it's called nations or what's it called American nations and what they talk about is the founding of the country and how it was really made up of lots of little cultures and and types of people and we don't really get that history you know you get the simplified American history oh there were thirteen column colonies and they were all awesome and they banded

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were all awesome and they banded together to fight Great Britain and then you hear people like Steve King say Western culture is awesome then people say well you must be racist because you like Western culture and until I started reading this book I said to myself hey that's not fair you know I can't read Steve King's mind I'm not gonna defend everything he's ever said isn't this Steve King yeah senator or congressman I mean I'm not gonna defend everything he said but there's certainly nothing wrong with saying that Western culture has some advantages yeah whether you agree or disagree because its culture it's not ethnicity but then I read this book where I read I read this much in this book so far and here's what here's one of the things that sort of changed how I think of the founding of the United States turns out that there were two Western cultures maybe three and so when

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Western cultures maybe three and so when you say Western culture you're not talking about one thing because you had the Puritans coming in and the Puritans were trying to get away from you know the oppression of Europe and they they came and they said how about treating everybody equally but you have to be religious but otherwise everybody's you know give me somewhat equal and then you had the people who came to the southern states and some of them came from a culture in which there were sort of the special people the rich the royalties and then everybody else was below them and they were essentially slaves and one of the things I didn't realize that that is that the African slave trade happened because those white people ran out of other white people to enslave because that's what they did first they were literally enslaving poor white people and they just didn't have enough so they they ended up having to look elsewhere for their slaves but think about this the original slaves

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think about this the original slaves that were actually indentured servants but in many ways they were essentially slaves that the first slaves were white people by other rich white people who were part of Western culture so I now I'm now changing my opinion so my opinion used to be what's wrong with Western culture looks pretty good you know democracy capitalism and you know I think of those things when somebody says Western culture I think of you know maybe the the church and the good things of the church and you know freedom and equality but turns out that is not Western culture indeed the people who brought those qualities to America wait for it were escaping from Europe because they didn't have those qualities in other words the stuff we like is American and calling it Western culture is sort of over selling the European

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is sort of over selling the European contribution because it sort of was an American invention to treat everybody equally you know you could say similar stuff was happening in France but there's no such thing as sort of a Western culture it was just a whole bunch of good and bad some of the good stuff you know stuck with us some of the bad stuff stuck with us - all right so that changed entirely so from now on if somebody says Western culture is good I will regard them as uninformed as I regard myself as uninformed meaning that until you learn a little bit more about what this Western culture brought us such as slavery of both white people and black people I've been the just the worst possible thing until you accept that it's hard to be a big fan of this Western civilization even the religious people were killing people in the name of religion etc all right let's talk about

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religion etc all right let's talk about Trump condemning white supremacy so I guess he talked about video games being a cause we talked about that and then he condemned white supremacy I think he used the word white supremacy once I grade his performance and F failure for my critics who just continually like to say the same dumbass thing scoffs well I don't have Dale with me today so I'll have to make do Scott why is it you only say that's the president those good things and you never criticize him so therefore you are not a credible person to which I say uh apparently you've never listened to me because I criticize them all the time criticize them on healthcare criticize him on immigration and on race relations this is a perfect example how did the president do in healing the nation and

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president do in healing the nation and getting out of this you know everything was about race and the white supremacy stuff how did he do I would say a complete failure I'd give it a solid F love to give it a d-minus I'd love to say well you know he barely got it right but it was right I want to say that but he didn't he didn't even come close it was a swing and a miss there was a missed by this far it was it in close if you wanted to even pretend that you're they are trying to heal things he wasn't even close and so I think to myself what would make a difference and by the way I do I do see your comments that you think he did do the right thing but I would argue that he only did the right thing to the people who are on his side in other words he was sort of talking to the bass and the bass didn't need to hear it anyway but you

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didn't need to hear it anyway but you know it helped them that he said it so that they could repeat it and they could say oh he said it the right thing but he didn't say it in a way that was persuasive you didn't he didn't say it in a way that could ever help complete failure and I hope everybody hears me say this because I don't want him to fail I don't want in fact you know I didn't want any president to fail I was supportive of all presidents you know once they're in office I support the president period yeah unless something really weird happens so so Michele I see you disagreeing with me but here's what I would ask you is there anybody you know who changed their mind based on his speech if not then it was a hundred percent failure because I think only the people on the right said at least he said the right words so I can repeat them when people come after me that's not enough it's not even close not even enough and so I thought to myself what

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enough and so I thought to myself what would be enough and you've seen that I've been working on this debunking the fine people hoax and it is such a sticky lie the lie of course is that the president called the neo-nazis find people in Charles Ville indeed he said exactly the opposite his actual quote was they should be condemned totally and he called them out by name at the same time but if he showed the first part of the video let me summarize this so I have a long-form blog which which debunks the fine people hoax you've seen the Steve Cortes has done a great job of continually debunking it he did not only I think was Real Clear Politics did a long article a great job of debunking it and then he just did a Prager you video which again terrific work debunking it here's the problem I think that everything that Steve has

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think that everything that Steve has done everything I've done everything Joel Pollock wrote in Breitbart which is on the same topic all of us have made the same mistake it's a big complicated topic and people can only hold little bits of facts in their head and it's just it's too hard to explain how they could be so wrong because people say things such as well I saw with my own eyes I heard it with my own ears and therefore everything you say after that is just blah blah blah to me and and unpersuasive so here's how I suggest
shrinking down the argument to its smallest point and maybe if carpe Noctem immersively wants to do a meme on this it would tell the story we need to three screens and you want to tell the story in I think you could do it in 12 seconds because you need to compress the complicated thing down to a point where

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complicated thing down to a point where everybody can consume it with the audio on or the audio off so that's the other thing you have subtitles so it could be consumed with or without audio and the entire story can be told in 12 seconds here's how I suggest doing it this is so the first three slides says this is what the media told you happened and then you show President Trump saying they were fine people on both sides then the second screen says this is the part they don't show you that happened at the same time cut to it the next thing he says I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white nationalists they should be condemned totally and again you've got subtitles so you don't have to have the sound on third screen wait for it I believe there's a poll I don't know if it's credible yet so somebody needs to find that this is a credible poll but I believe there was a credible poll that said that 44% of African Americans were

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said that 44% of African Americans were in favor of keeping Confederate statues because once you've debunked the fact that the president was clearly not talking about it once you establish that he was clearly not talking about the neo-nazis being fine people and that's what the second slide supports then people always retreat to well but why were they there you know there can't be any fine people who support statues and that's what the third slide is for to show that african-americans you know at least a good number of them also support them and are clearly not racist and therefore it must be true that there are fine people who support statues because nobody is saying that the African American community who is okay with keeping historical monuments even if their monuments about something that's ugly they prefer keeping the history that's not a terrible opinion that's just a different opinion I personally would like to get rid of those statues because

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like to get rid of those statues because I think they're offensive to enough people that they don't qualify as good decorations and they're not even good history we get better history from the internet so so so that would be my suggestion Amy maker to have three slides first part of the quote labeled this is what you saw second part of the quote this is the part they edited out in 3rd slide African Americans support the statues by 40% and they're fine people I think you might be able to make a dent with that if you also linked maybe to the full story or the full transcript so that people could check themselves because I think people would think hey you've edited these clips to be misleading so they might have to go check for themselves to see that it's not misleading but if you can't make this complicated story into all seconds with three slides that anybody can understand immediately you don't have a chance of

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immediately you don't have a chance of making a big dent in in that hoax here's what I would do if I were Trump here's how I would attack it I wouldn't I would go after the media and I would go after them directly and I would say this well there were two ways to do this and he didn't do either one one way would be to make a much bigger deal of his statement against racism and white supremacy what he did look sort of like you know when a ten-year-old is forced to apologize for taking somebody's toy he sort of looked like that like you didn't want to be there so you either have to do it you either have to sell it like you want to be there which he didn't do or go this way and say let me tell you what the media has done to you people for two years you've been hearing that that I called the neo-nazis fine people

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that I called the neo-nazis fine people here's the clip that you keep seeing and basically I'm saying that he could reproduce the three slice you can actually have this in each size when he's talking but he can reproduce them with language you can say you can say alright let me show you the clip of what you've been seeing there are fine people on both sides now let me show you the rest of the clip that they don't show you imagine the President of the United States showing you the two clips the one the one where he says fine people then went the one where he says immediately after that I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and the racists they should be condemned totally and then mentioning you know a recent polls had 44% of African Americans want to keep the statues nobody's saying that they're now fine people we can disagree with him calling each other racists you know he might continue supporting the statues etcetera but it would be on the same side as 44 percent of the African

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side as 44 percent of the African Americans were asked in that poll I have a little question about whether that poll is accurate or credible so I wouldn't do any of this until we find out if that poll holds up that would be important all right let me see I think oh let's talk about that Dayton shooter in the el Pasto shooter first of all when Joe Biden got the two cities wrong I guess he was confusing them with where the Democrat debates would be and I thought to myself aha this could be an important turning point where people realize people realize somebody says come on Scott why do you think Trump failed you just have to show me one Democrat would change their mind then I'll agree with you that he succeeded if the only thing he did was tell his base that everything's okay that would be a complete failure and that's I think where we are so so I

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that's I think where we are so so I thought wouldn't Biden got the cities wrong of the two latest shootings that it would be such a sign that he's too old to be President that it would be a meaningful turning point but then of course President Trump I don't know if he had a teleprompter a problem or what it was mentioned Toledo and got a city wrong and so in some ways I would say that you know you have to worry because both of them are a certain age and you got to worry about that you have to worry about that but here's here's my take on the political polarization of the two latest shootings so we've got the one guy who wrote a manifesto and then the other guy in Dayton the El Paso one wrote a manifesto so we know a little bit of his thinking and then the Dayton person apparently had mental problems and shot his own sister who he liked so whatever happened in Dayton

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liked so whatever happened in Dayton even though he was a Warren supporter and an anti-fascist or it didn't have to do with politics so I think we should just take politics out of that one because the fact that he supported Warren seems completely unrelated to shooting your own sister you don't kill your own sister over your love of socialism I don't know so it it is not fair to say that if the other shooter was a white supremacist and we're going to talk about that because he wasn't it's not fair to say that it's balanced down there's there's one form each because there wasn't there was just one crazy guy so that's data is just a crazy guy what about El pasa El Paso was he a political terrorist domestic terrorist or was he just another crazy guy well I read the manifesto and I can conclude I will conclude that he was intelligent

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will conclude that he was intelligent but that it didn't make any sense except that he didn't like Democrats so what I read in the manifesto and maybe fact-checked me on this did I miss a part what I read is that he thought that immigration would change the electoral nature of this country and make it more of a Democrat stronghold which would be a one-party rule and there was a one-party rule the kind that he wasn't crazy about I don't recall anything in his manifesto about the ethnicity of the immigrants I don't even know if he talked about crime did he I think he was talking primarily about it changing the electoral nature of the country and changing it in a way that he didn't approve of because apparently he was not crazy of a Democrat rule but at the same time he was talking a yeah he was as you're saying in the comments he was

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you're saying in the comments he was anti corporations and pro-environment which sounds a lot more like the Democrats but it sounded like his major point you know the bigger point was that immigration would give us one-party rule and it wouldn't matter which one it was that it would be bad now if you're going to do a mass shooting over that concept the concept that Democrats would have more power I don't know if you can call that same can you I so I'm no expert and we always have to be careful where we draw the line between crazy and what insane and if you're in a clinical setting and you're trying to decide let's say guilt or innocence from her you know could you did you know what you were doing were you that crazy those things matter but when you and I are talking were not in the clinical setting were not in the legal setting were in the trying to

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legal setting were in the trying to understand the world setting and the trying to understand the world setting a person who writes a long manifesto which says that a mass shooting to reduce to reduce the number of Democrats and government is that is that sane is the same that he would think that this would make a difference is it sane to think Oh and therefore I'll kill a bunch of people I don't see how there's any sane connection between that because he couldn't have possibly thought or did he that you know I'll go kill a bunch of people and that should make that should give us more immigration did he think that because if he did he was insane so there is there is a category of crazy people who can function in the world so well that they would never be institutionalized and might not even not when they wouldn't necessarily even be

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when they wouldn't necessarily even be on meds if a doctor got all of them so he was certainly in that gray area where I personally as a non doctor and not part of the legal system would say he was insane to put more than that on it I think is over interpreting it and it's part of the political process that we're trying to find winners and losers and the left and the right so I think anybody who says that either of these were political probably has some explaining to do even though one of them wrote a long political manifesto that's sort of what crazy people do you know crazy people find a way to express their crazy if the same guy had just say killed his ex-girlfriend would we be saying that it was a murder what would we say it was a crime of passion

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we say it was a crime of passion probably not probably say he's crazy because he killed his girlfriend but he does it for politics of we know say he's crazy because he wrote some incoherent stuff on his manifesto well I look crazy to me so that's all I have to say about him and I think that's all I got to say about this Shapiro says Trump is all of a sudden ignoring the advice was aids following his gut instinct that's crazy well I don't know if Ben Shapiro really said that so I I'm not going to comment about Ben Shapiro specifically because I can't verify you said that or it might have been a different context but I will say that if anybody believes they have anybody who believes that they understand what's going on in the in the private conversations in the Oval Office that's not credible even even I found a

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that's not credible even even I found a private conversation in the Oval Office do you think anybody knows what I said to the president no well it was one person there but you know you haven't you haven't heard a reporting that's right how would anybody know well I didn't as it turns out I did not give the president any advice but if I had how would you know and if he hadn't accepted my advice how would you know how would you possibly know that the president has private conversations all day long how would anybody know whose advice he's taking we can't know that impossible so that's not a credible opinion all right they got you on tape yeah I probably was taped but it's not in the public it's not in the public domain all right that's all for now I will talk to you

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that's all for now I will talk to you all later