Episode 617 Scott Adams: Professional Hypnotist Will Cure Your Trump Derangement Syndrome
Date: 2019-08-03 | Duration: 1:06:35
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The Don Lemon rule: If you think someone is racist, then they are Crime infested or rodent infested…the Baltimore debate continues Humorless scold Nikki Haley NK short-range missile tests NOT a violation per President Trump A$AP Rocky is headed home AOC staff head moves on…so what? Are people with TDS aware on some level…that their TDS isn’t real? Does TDS allow people to keep their identity and lifestyle?
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oh where is everybody it's a great weekend okay and as soon as all of you get in here we're gonna be drinking some coffee and getting this getting this baby off to a good start I know why you're here and it has something to do with the simultaneous it has something to do with joining in the ritual that boosts your dopamine gets you ready for the day it's the most amazing moment of the day it's a simultaneous SEP and it doesn't take much to participate I'm already and all you need is a cup of my glasses tying the chalice at actor to canteen a vessel of any kind filling with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the simultaneous unparalleled pleasure
so here's the new rule I've got I've activated the guest mode so people can join me as guests but I only want to
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join me as guests but I only want to talk to people who are anti-trump errs who think he's racist and think the world is coming to an end and want to be deprogrammed or at least try to be deprogrammed now I'm only going to take those people so if you come on as a guest and that's not why you're there I'm gonna think that politely end it so only people who believe they have Trump derangement syndrome and are afraid of the world and what he's going to do to it I will reprogram you but I'll give you some I'll give you a little time so we'll talk about the news and we'll see if we get anybody and by the way you know what our experience has been so far is you get maybe one person or nobody because I don't think consider all the people are gonna see this periscope being being advertised just within the system think about all those people some of them are Democrats some of them have
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of them are Democrats some of them have TDS but you're not going to get people who are gonna volunteer to be deprogrammed in public we've got one person signed up but stay tight we're going to talk about some stuff so in the news Grey's Anatomy star Ellen Pompeo has been called racist for criticizing Kamala Harris that's all it takes these days if you'd criticize Kamala Harris you're a racist apparently it doesn't matter if you're Ellen Pompeo and your husband is black you can still be a racist apparently if you criticize Ellen Pompeo so if you're looking for what's the most ridiculous thing that's going to happen well that might be it we we may have reached the point where everything's just racist just period you have already told you that in my opinion Don Lemon is racist
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my opinion Don Lemon is racist I call him RTL now for racist Don Lemon and I'm not kidding about that yes the standard that he prefers for what makes somebody a racist and what makes you not a racist I'm using his standard which is that if you feel like somebody's a racist they are and I do literally I'm not doing it as a joke I literally think he's a racist now under normal times I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say it out loud it would just be something I would internally think I think huh the way he presents things and the things he focuses on and the words he chooses feels super racist but I'm not going to assume I could read his mind I'm just gonna assume that it was striking me that way but Don Lemon has set a new standard which is that you are a racist if somebody thinks you are that's it it only takes somebody to have an opinion that you're racist and and then you're racist is the fact so I
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then you're racist is the fact so I apply that standard to him in in the unimportant yet interesting news playboy senior house reporter and I guess he's is sometimes CNN political analyst Brian carom got temporarily suspended his credentials were yanked for a month from the White House because of that little shouting match he got into with Sebastian Korca in the Rose Garden when the when all the social media people were there for the summit to remember Karam & korek I got into it and I kept reading to find out if Gorka got banned from the White House but he did not so it wasn't about wasn't about just shouting I guess carob was singled out as maybe the the worst behavior there so I'm sure sébastien corchia is having a terrific day because that's always fun to find to wake up in the morning and
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to find to wake up in the morning and find out that the Yui was back to you on something like that that was pretty fun so congratulations to Sebastian porca um so President Trump tweeted cheekily I say cheekily I say really bad news the Baltimore House of Elijah Cummings was robbed too bad now of course why that's bad and funny at the same time is you know it's bad because somebody's house got robbed that's not funny but the timing could not have been more simulation and perfect because as they're discussing whether Baltimore was a crime infested place or not and and by the way if you don't know the argument there's a serious debate between Elijah Cummings who says Baltimore is crime-infested and President Trump Trump who says that is rodent infested so
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who says that is rodent infested so that's a pretty big difference so Elijah Cummings says Baltimore is crime-infested which it is and President Trump says is rodent infested which of course it is so both of them are true but in this crazy world they've been set up as being somehow in different teams are they are they on different teams is the person who says the city is crime-infested and they have some rodents completely different than the person who says it's rodent infested we're too much crime you can see the difference right totally different one says crime invested crime and crime infested with too many rodents and the other says erosion infested with too much crime you can see why they're fighting with the disagreement that deep you can see why the country is being divided ah what yeah that's how
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divided ah what yeah that's how ridiculous things are nikki hailey weighed in to say this is so unnecessary because what we really need when we're having fun is a humorless Gould to come tell us to have less fun you know that'll fix things so I think nikki Haley sat there and said you know what can I do today to make the world a better place let's see look in the news okay well it looks like President Trump is enjoying himself and it looks like his supporters are enjoying themselves while bringing attention to a serious problem which is the problems in Baltimore yeah I can't have people no I can't people enjoying themselves and also focusing on a major problem so those resources we'll head that way what can I do to stop this oh oh I think I'll tweet Donald Trump this is so unnecessary it's someone necessary
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is so unnecessary it's someone necessary nikki Haley your tweet was a little bit unnecessary talk about unnecessary that's double unnecessary do you know it's less necessary than the original quote or the original tweet a tweet about the tweet if somebody makes an unnecessary tweet and then you tweet to say that the unnecessary tweet was unnecessary have you improved the situation or have you added some unnecessarily ninis a tude to the unnecessary Ness seems to me that you've increased the unnecessary to yield a TBH whatever there's a little bit of interest in Kim Jong Un's short-range missile testing he's out there testing some short-range missiles president says don't worry about it they
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president says don't worry about it they were never a part of our conversation so he's not he's not going against his word fair enough I think Kim has to be testing something militarily it's just part of his deal they're now part of the I think they're not part of the big threat you know the if if Kim were to attack attack South Korea with short-range missiles if he were to do that that wouldn't work out well for him so it's not really a big risk that Kim has short-range missiles I wouldn't worry about it ASAP Rocky yep rocky is on his way home or maybe he's home RT I don't know so Sweden released him after going through somewhat of a process I think at least one witness changed their story but I don't know I don't know if the president had anything to do with that do you so we don't have any reporting that says the president was in any way you know helpful but maybe because we also don't
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helpful but maybe because we also don't know what happened it's possible they sped things up it's possible that they you know we're a little more flexible than they might have been as possible yeah you know if the president of the United States calls you and asks you to do something well it's possible that that something happen but of course it's hard to be sympathetic to Aesop rocky who believes that you and I are clan supporters and apparently his his music has indicated at least he thinks the president is which would mean by inference that his supporters are so I don't support ASAP Rocky as a person but I'm glad that we get Americans and foreign jails when they're falsely accused which may be in fact what happened a OCS chief of staff is leaving for a related job but he's going to work
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for a related job but he's going to work in the green New Deal effort I guess and people say oh what happens when the puppet master moves on to which I say he is now moving on it doesn't work that way
way he's working on a overseas primary thing the green new deal and it's not like we don't have phone calls and you know texts and it's not like he can't have lunch with her so I wouldn't worry about AMC flying blind because her advisor has moved on that should make no difference or whatsoever alright we've got three people in waiting as guests now remember the rule is if any of you three I hope you're listening right now I'm only gonna take calls from people who have trumped arrangement syndrome in other words people were anti-trump and people who are willing to be deprogrammed by hypnotist so I'm a hypnotist trained hypnotist but I won't need to really use
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hypnotist but I won't need to really use any deep hypnosis to do this because it's pretty straightforward so let me check who is waiting in the comments let's take Cheryl in but remember cherylin I'm only gonna keep you on here if you want to talk about that topic cherylin are you there all right do you have shrimp derangement syndrome perfect okay so so your your husband is a trump supporter or no he I think so yeah and did you vote in the last election yes I did and you voted for Hillary yes and are you happy or unhappy about how things have turned out honestly I I listen to you all the time my husband is like the freakin biggest fan ever and I feel like every time anybody says even the slightest little thing about Trump you say they have
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thing about Trump you say they have Trump tourangeau syndrome so well come on so let's let's take this one statement at a time okay do you do you believe that I do not criticize president Trump I feel you don't criticize have you ever heard me criticize him on health care race relations and immigration those three things I I criticize him on all the time in public all the time how could you have never heard that word you do so both sides and but I just feel like you're always defending this constantly well didn't didn't I just give you three major policies where I just but but do you well let me ask you Charlotte do you believe that I've said those the same
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believe that I've said those the same thing publicly lots of time so you can see in the comments if there's anybody in the comments who wants to fact-check that have I not criticized them on race relations immigration and health care you okay so but it is true that my primary content is it's designed for the audience that I have I know I know that they like a certain type of content but well let me ask you this is is there something I should criticize him for that I haven't what do you say you honestly truly don't think he's a racist I think everybody's racist what do you think well when you said that earlier about Don Lemon I I'm starting to believe that I feel like almost every freakin thing you say these days is racist not you personally not you personally anybody Oh anybody you say anything about anybody can be construed
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anything about anybody can be construed as racism yes so the way I try to frame this is that I think everybody everybody is a pattern recognition machine that's just the way your brain works if if somebody who is wearing a you know let's say a blue hat now that's a bad example police say everybody who everybody who was wearing an orange hat came up and punched you the next time you saw somebody in an orange hat you'd run away now it might be it might be that the last person in the orange hat is not going to be a puncher at all so that would be a case of being you know biased or bigoted and it's the normal way it's a normal way your brain works you can't turn that off but your higher your higher intelligence can override it when you see it happening so in other words somebody comes in for a job interview you can rationalize yourself okay okay it's another one of those people wearing an orange hat last ten of them punched me but I'm looking at the resume and
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me but I'm looking at the resume and he's not punching me yet and the resume looks good I'll override my sense of prejudice nah I'll hire this person so the best we can do is to recognize it when it's happening and you know and may at least make our over to actions compatible now I've never met anybody privately I don't think I don't believe I've met anybody privately who if you're the only other person in the room would say that they have no preference for who they'd want to date sleep with or marry yeah for sure everybody pretty much 100% people have preference now I don't I don't criticize that because it's we have preferences for literally everything you know the car you drive the clothes you wear right there's the stuff we have every kind of preference but are all those people racists because they have some kind of preference of what ethnicity what age what gender they
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what ethnicity what age what gender they all have a preference yeah so so at what point does preference turn into racism so give us give us your best example is your problem that you think Trump is racist specifically is that the big problem with trial court yet when Whitney first came out to in 2015 that he was gonna run I've been I watched him on all the shows you know the reality shows and to me he just wasn't presidential material and so then literally everything he said gets on my nerves and I can't see his voice and like it might be tedious possibly I'm not going to say that Scott Adams but well but do you think that seems to be so freaking controlled and and what is the word of course I'm on the spot right now because everything he
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the spot right now because everything he says seems to be so hey Cheryl Cheryl I'm gonna give you a little gift here which is here's a public speaking tip you're doing great the the the the audience hears both of us and whether we stammer or miss award or anything they don't care at all they'd rather have it live and and you know realistic and stuff so don't try to speak perfectly and take as long as you want you're really you're literally doing great so just keep doing okay thank you but when he when he speaks even like when he's speaking to like his audiences I don't feel like he's being genuine I feel like he's literally just to say whatever he needs to say to make his crowd go now do you think that would be different from every other politician aren't they all saying what they hopefully what here I guess that's true but with Trump for some reason when he does it all I see is a reality star he's
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does it all I see is a reality star he's trying to just make people scream and it doesn't matter what he says when he says it as long as he gets a little bit of a screams and he's done now here it's funny because that's the thing one of the things I like about him is that he he's very conscious and transparent about what the show is and he knows when he's putting on a show and you know and he knows that behind closed doors that's when the actual business of the government gets done but why is it that you can't enjoy the show by just telling yourself okay I get it I get what he's doing and it's part of what makes politics work for him I don't feel like he did that when Obama would talk I felt like he was actually trying to get something across like he really had a real meaning something where I feel like Trump is just like Synder back or well
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Trump is just like Synder back or well Olivia's let me ask you this do you think they're both presidents Obama and Trump do you think that there are internal thoughts and motivations don't you think that they both want good things for the country I do and and honestly I didn't think that at first with Trump I honestly didn't because I just felt like this was age like a goal for him like hey I bet I can be President let's see yeah I think what probably was a little bit of surprise here my my take on this is that anybody who goes through that whole process of getting all the way to the presidency no matter what their original intentions were I feel like the process and the country and all of the attention turns them into a new person in other words I would believe that however much you love the country when you thought about running for president if you make it all the way through you love your country probably like nobody ever could understand because I think the entire
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understand because I think the entire the entire country's patriotism gets sort of focused on you and you become the center of that world and the most important person to it and my thing is that I think you could have some people who were semi serious about the presidency I think Bush jr. was semi I think he was semi serious right but by the time you get elected you're serious yeah so so would you say just listening to talk would you say that your problem with the president is style more than more than content stand that he drives me not just because he thinks he's so better than you know what one of the things that I tell people is that you have to understand Trump in terms of the
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have to understand Trump in terms of the culture that he came Anna that the new york you know braggadocious kind of culture you know i grew up in new york state which was close enough to that culture that i have a feeling for it when I watch a New Yorker talk and they seem to have a lot of bravado when they're you know they're sure of themselves and they're attacking other people and stuff like that I just see the people I grew up with it doesn't it doesn't bother me at all but it's only because I'm used to it I could imagine if I grew up in and in total totally more polite let's say less direct culture I would be thinking the same thing you are which is uh-oh what's going on with this guy if it's something that he cares about it's like the most important thing let me ask you this have you ever had a conversation with your husband in which you can't stand the fact that he won't admit he's wrong oh my god yes
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my god yes [Laughter] yes so is there any chance that you might be reading some of your feelings about your husband into Donald Trump or vice versa or vice versa okay I'll give you that but but I I often think that people bring their own their own trauma or experience good or bad into into it in the same way that I said he reminds me of people from New York and it makes me instantly like him a little bit more you you would you would have an instant like for someone who reminded you of where you grew up probably if you like very rough whereas you may be reminded by some experience you had some person maybe there was a bully in your life maybe there was a family member who was just the worst person who you reminded of so I get some of it we have to understand is what we're bringing to the
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understand is what we're bringing to the situation wouldn't you say yeah you know because isn't it weird that you know you and the Trump supporters are are on the same planet experiencing exactly the same thing you know roughly speaking and there are those of us were saying my goodness this is the best Golden Age we've ever been in things have never been better than this and yet some half of the country or whatever are saying it's never been so bad the whole country is coming apart we're all looking at the same information again well that's not the logo now the nether now it's a keep America great we're gonna keep America ready all right I don't see anybody else signing up I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap our call up and see if I can else and by the way you're a great supporter thank you for coming on you did great until you tell your husband he sounds very smart to me he's frickin genius I'll talk to
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to me he's frickin genius I'll talk to you later all right let's see if somebody else is ready to come on periscope looks like a fake name could be a troll could be just somebody coming down here to have a little fun but let's see caller can you hear me yeah I can hear you that little color what is your name color my name is Dennis Burton I Dennis are you a Trump hater or supporter not really but I'd say that over the course of my life I grew hated from being a Democrat to being a Republican and I don't know if that's are you to age or do you have Trump derangement syndrome no but like the previous callers I think a lot of people and and and my life have that and it's I think I have sort of the the
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it's I think I have sort of the the knock-on effect of that because it really tends to affect your life potentially more it's four hearts or like if you have someone in your family that's sick you have all the stress then perhaps they do you know it's sort of like when a friend is dying or something like that yeah there's there's definitely some spillover I think I think and I feel that too yeah when I watch honestly when I watch CNN and I watched racist and I've been doing this thing and and they're bringing on person after person who feel sad I feel that I have to say that even though I don't feel sad about what they feel sad about because I think it's literally a hallucination in most cases but I feel bad that my you know my teammates in America are having a tough time and I don't think it's necessary because they're we're all looking at the same set of facts but they're interpreting them in a dangerously bad way I mean I'm
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them in a dangerously bad way I mean I'm gonna take another call I'm looking for somebody who's got Trump derangement syndrome but thank you for thanks thank you cheers let's see if we can get a Sanjay Sanjay you will be coming at us in a moment Sanjay could hear me hey how are you son Sanjay are you a a Trump derangement syndrome sufferer or a trump supporter I'm not a trump supporter and I do I go through I have symptoms of Trump derangement syndrome and then I watch your periscopes and then I feel better after and then I watched CNN or something and then feel terrible you know that the country's going down the drain and then I and then I come back to your show every time and I always feel better now now you what you're describing is the same experience I got when I did mushrooms you know what that means is that you can
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you know what that means is that you can really understand that the subjective nature of reality with what you just described because the information you are looking at didn't change you just want to watch one people talk about that same information then you heard me talk about that same information any review of your one of the most important parts of reality which is who is your president and what's happening with the with the country I don't know if you're American are you American I'm American yes okay so you're president I correctly said and it seems to me that that's useful don't you feel like you learned something when you go back and forth and find your worldview change that quickly without any facts actually changing oh yeah like I learned that it's it's all it just depends on like for example with the previous caller you were talking to the woman you know how you might be reflecting your thoughts about your husband in Trump or some bully that right so if you were bullied in the past
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right so if you were bullied in the past and you realize that you're projecting you know a lot of opinions about Trump we're projecting yeah you know I the way I put it is I hate to use that word projected because I think it gets overused all of you used it correctly in this case but it feels like to me a better way to think that is that we are pattern recognition machines and some of us have fewer patterns that so if you're working with only fewer patterns that you've ever been exposed to those are the ones that will tell you what to think of the next thing so let's say if you'd been bullied and that's a pattern that's really strong and then you see somebody who reminds you of a bully you're gonna you're gonna imbue your opinion is that the right word you're gonna take all all that you felt about other bullies and put them into this new person who reminded you so I would say projection yes but it also depends greatly on which patterns you've ever seen before that's that's what's going to decide what you project can you tell me the one is there anything about
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tell me the one is there anything about the Trump experience or what he's done or said that you think I have not adequately described to be no big deal
well this is not you haven't really gotten to this yet because it just happened but you know I noticed that with this latest budget deal lots of Republicans voted against Trump or voted against the budget deal that he paid you know he signed off on right right Senate voted for so I think there's something unusual going on where a lot of Republicans support Trump even when he says what sound like racist things but then when it comes to the budget deal they don't support him like I don't really get what's going on with Republican support and like oh I could I could explain that the the Republicans that opposed the budget are the people who stand on principle that we shouldn't increase the debt so there are people who are a super debt whether they care
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who are a super debt whether they care about the debt more than they care about just about anything because I think that's a you know and the Republic kind of a risk whereas everything else you can kind of work it out as you go and those those group would oppose every president every time or every every day everybody they would just oppose everybody who'd wanted to increase the debt so that's all that was and and but you've seen a lot of Republicans have you not criticized the president for his language and his tweets and the way he presents himself I I feel as if maybe most publicans have done that at least once a Republicans criticize them but that I hear about these polls where they say like 90% of Republicans support Trump or I don't know some really high percentage well yeah that's because they prioritize getting things done over the the words that he uses that's all that is and that's very Republican at the moment I'm not sure that was always Republican but at the moment it seems very Republican
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at the moment it seems very Republican say yeah yeah yeah he shouldn't have said that I wish he hadn't I criticized him for it but look at the economy it's going pretty well and we're not in any you starting any worse so I think they're they're just saying we got our judges we got our economy we got her national defense the the military's being built up and if and if we have to break a few eggs to get there well we wish we had not broken those eggs but there you are we didn't have a we didn't have nobody offered us a choice of trumps effectiveness without the rough edges we we would have all voted for that person probably not all of us but you know what I mean all right thank you so much I've got a few more people here maybe there are worse cases but thanks so much for joining thank you all right all right let's see who else we've got here mess that's the donkey the people who have no profile picture and interesting usernames
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usernames sooner or later I'm gonna get a pure troll here so let's see what we do hello user can or caller can you hear me I can hear you yeah hey how are you I'm good tremendous are you a trump derangement syndrome sufferer and/or Trump supporter I am a little of both I think that his policies are great I think the tweets were necessary in the primaries and possibly to get elected but I think that at a certain point he has to focus on the middle of the country suburban housewives and tweeting jokes about Elijah Cummings house getting broken into are going to turn those people away and it's just dumb at a certain point yeah you know let me ask you this I hear what you're saying and I think a lot of smart people would agree with you which is hey you're already president you know let's let's just consolidate the gains and try to be a regular president and you know really really nail this if you
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you know really really nail this if you can do it I think a lot of people would say the same thing almost every probably I guess almost a hundred percent of Republicans would have said the same thing you know hey president calm it down but here's the thing that I always asked myself wouldn't we have said that when he was running for president and weren't we all wrong because I think we were everybody who said at least everybody who said this tweeting is never gonna get you elected it did get him elected and I would say that his tweeting has caused some specific benefits for example we are looking at Baltimore harder resources are having to Baltimore as we speak there are people organizing resources for Baltimore just because of that we saw that kim jeong-hoon probably turned from a nuclear risk to hey I think he's just joking with me on Twitter let's let's see where this goes so what do you agree that his twitter has produced some benefits even though
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has produced some benefits even though I'm acknowledging you know that the rough edges there oh did I lose you oh sorry I lost my collar I should have noticed let's try Joshua
sorry I have to clear my voice a lot on camera it's a legacy from some voice surgery I had Joshua are you there yes I am Scott hey how are you I'm doing well good are you a trump derangement syndrome sufferer and/or Trump supporter um well I ask the audience here and somebody reported back that I might suffer from it because I believe that Trump is a he's a danger to our country oh good you're my perfect caller thank you give me your gimme let's say the top of mind which what's the big specific topic
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mind which what's the big specific topic we can talk about other things but what's the big one that worries you the most he is uh he's a genius and that's obvious but he's opportunistic and because he's seen a wedge put into the log so to speak he picked up the hammer and he drove the wedge home and it was the point the division between the Republicans and the Democrats the Liberals and the Conservatives he's completely monopolized that topic and he's controlling the conversation true with absolutely zero feedback from rational minds our country has given the opposite side to a bunch of loon bass now is so is your concern that he's making other people crazy is that is that your biggest grab salutely absolutely he's brilliant he's using he's defeating themselves with themselves I mean how brilliant can you get and that's dangerous yeah you know there's something to that I've talked about this before the definition of
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about this before the definition of charisma is power plus empathy so you like powerful people if they care about you because then they'll help you exactly but if they have power and you do not detect empathy they're just a monster because somebody who has power who doesn't care about you could just kill you for personal gain someday because I don't care so I think a lot has to do with whether you think Trump has empathy because we'd all agree he has power I mean if only the power of the presidency which is tremendous but he has personal power - that's how that's what got him the job so I can see that and that's partly why I wanted to do this deep programming because I would agree that I I count that in his top three weaknesses health care immigration and race relations are as three weakest spots and I would agree with you on that but it doesn't sound like you have TDS it sounds like you have just a genuine
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it sounds like you have just a genuine concern for something that's observably true okay then I guess the doctors declared me cured saying you're cured you're cured thanks for the call all right Stephen you're her you might be our last we'll see if anybody else signs up Stephen can you hear me is it Stephen or Stephan Stephan do you have TDS or au a trump supporter or both I have TDS but you have helped me quite a bit in my good is there anything I can do to mop up the remaining resistance well I just don't think I feel like you give a lot of short shrift to the idea of when we talk about dog whistles or I mean I don't think you acknowledge how historically the Republicans have used
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historically the Republicans have used when you talk about Lee Atwater and the Southern Strategy about using certain language to inflame rate you know the the everybody's racist everybody has the tendency to you know have these racial feelings and I feel like it's pretty obvious that Trump is stoking these well I'm so perfect you're the perfect caller that's the I was wanted to talk to somebody who had that opinion so you would say that a reasonable person a smart reasonable person who was trying to be objective would look at the president's language and say oh that is clearly a racist dog whistle is that where you're coming from yes
yes now would you consider me reasonable and intelligent yes I don't hear it how do you explain that I don't that's what and
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you explain that I don't that's what and let me ask you know just so it isn't me in the comments I think you still see the comments for those who in the comments say do you hear it the racist dog whistle and watch the comments people saying they don't hear it I guess I'm deaf well but that's the point that you made okay maybe I should your point was that every intelligent reasonable person should hear it you know I guess they don't but I think there's no there's no argument that this there's no argument to say that there's no such thing as a dog whistle put it this way well but but we have political operatives who historically have acknowledged that this is a real thing it acknowledged that a politician cannot come right out and say racist things that would be stupid however in its place you say certain things which in vote evoke the same feelings I mean do you acknowledge that that's a true political strategy oh I acknowledge that historically that
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oh I acknowledge that historically that has clearly been a political strategy would you agree that if somebody intentionally used that strategy in 2019 they would be the dumbest person in the world I would have thought that until recently yes well apparently these things and to see how well all right let me give you some specific examples so you talked about the Lee Atwater thing and that was the the Willie Horton commercial was the the big example of that right and they showed a a black man who was being released early from prison and people said okay why are you focusing on the black guy it's obvious that was a secret example but there's another better example which was an interview which was done with him or he specifically said you know in the 50s you could say the N one word is that then in the 60s you you changed that to talking about busing
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changed that to talking about busing housing and talking about lower taxes quota basically but go ahead well so but I and I agree all those things historically were real and I don't have any certainly wouldn't argue that those are all real but in an image where Barack Obama was an overwhelmingly popular president for two terms and if he if he could run for a third term me to easily get reelected does it does it feel like in that world the world of 2019 that intentionally sending out continuous racist dog whistles would ever be a strategy that an expert would advise absolutely 100% I mean one of the reasons is because there's been a shift from politicians trying to embrace the to get the blow through this idea of
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to get the blow through this idea of energizing the base that's something that's really only been a viable strategy the last good point so but by that by their thinking once the president was already a president he would cut that out right away wouldn't he wouldn't it be a better strategy to not do that once you're actually president I think we'll find out but I I don't think he feels I think they would you know that was that was a common idea was when is he going to turn to the middle and he never did let me ask you some some well some people would say that he didn't turn because he didn't need to turn so remember that it's only it's only the Democrats and the anti-trump errs who believe that he's ever been sending racist singles everybody else thinks it's never happened and therefore there was nothing to change from he was already where you you said he was gonna be politically incorrect let's
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gonna be politically incorrect let's talk about some specific examples here here are some thoughts um that had been fascinating me this started with the the governor of Florida he used the word articulate when talking about his his competing candidate was black and he said he was articulate and everybody said oh that is clearly racist because that word is historically used as sort of a backwards compliment to say you're articulate as if that should be unusual now I asked around how many people how many white people had ever heard that the word articulate would be considered an insult to it when used about a black candidate how many people do you think had ever heard that yeah no I I think that I don't think that's recent I think that's more just white why this strategy also works better now that it might have ten years agos because well done list it
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ten years agos because well done list it yes go ahead yeah let's do some more examples I want to see if I can find one that you do think is racist so how about the word infestation which was used both by Elijah Cummings talking about Baltimore and then later by President Trump talking about Baltimore they both used the same word it's a common word is it a racist whistle yes and no and let me explain why I think Trump uses the word infestation because as you say it's sort of a visual word you save the world that's why uses it more than more than that it's a racist word I think there's a difference between saying something is greatest and something is a dog whistle I mean it can be both of things I think in the context that he uses it if you read it word for word it definitely does not
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not it's not being used as a bracelet she confessed to talk about rats against rats today but the image of a slum of a project this same way is important in that add an image that gets put in people's minds and is persuasive well he was talking about but but everybody agrees the Baltimore is in bad shape whether you're white or black you're gonna say the place is infested with crime and infested with rodents wouldn't you say that's a universal agreement it's the one thing we agree with that Baltimore's custom I agree with it on a percent but why of all the things that he watched on fox news that day did he died to read about that well I think you hit on it the and it just Stokes this
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hit on it the and it just Stokes this animus I think in the populace that's what I think let me ask you this are you suggesting that whether or not he has racial feelings are you suggesting that he's cleverly using race dynamics for political advantage even if he may not technically a racist what are you saying exactly okay I have a way of knowing nobody will ever be able if you're no one will ever be able to prove what he feels in his heart I'm well happy he's cleverly using these feelings either to persuade people 100 you have it you have been listening to me right so you have good responses let me ask you this I always say that the best filter on reality is the one that does the best job of predicting so if the way you see the world predicts how it's going to turn out you know tomorrow you probably had a pretty good filter but if it turns out completely different than you imagined it tomorrow well you'd have some explaining so what
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well you'd have some explaining so what Trump supporters see and that makes them comfortable supporting him even though he's accused of all these heinous crimes against humanity is that when he I'll just give you some anecdotes when he pardons some black prisoners or when he helps ASAP rocky get back or what he hires ben Carson or when he brags continuously about black unemployment being low when he says part of the reason to build the wall is because it helps black citizens in this country and he works for the country he doesn't work for the world and when he used the first president who could get prison reform across the line now all of those things are compatible with my worldview that he is political politically incorrect but wants to do what works for all of the citizens of this country and the reason that I think he wants to do it is because he has a huge ego and wants to succeed and I
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huge ego and wants to succeed and I can't imagine if he I can't imagine any time he was sitting by himself and he said you know if I use this word infestation about Baltimore I'm going to gain votes from racists I don't I can't imagine anybody having that calculation let me let me let me just finish this point I'll let you talk if you were a smart political operator you would know that every time you said anything that could even be construed that way because everybody has their antenna up you would lose votes but you would never gain votes there's nobody who's going to vote for him because he used an ambiguous term that some people thought was racist now that doesn't get you a vote you don't think it gets him a vote at this point do you I do I mean I and I'm not saying this in a vacuum this is not something that I'm sitting in my bedroom thinking about and making up this theory this is a documented political strategy that's been used for decades
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that's been used for decades what but but you're you're comparing the older times when it would have been a completely good strategy with 2019 where Ellen Pompeo was called a racist for criticizing Kamala Harris when Ellen Pompeo is actually married to a black man well the times change but human nature doesn't change and in some ways well that in some way works better now because because the left has so overused the term racist it's easy to get it's easy to say well they're just calling everybody based which they are I think the media is completely blowing this and and is irresponsible I think Donna lemon is rich I think I I were a news person I would not be calling him a racist but I would be saying he is using this strategy this historic strategy I would not call him personally a racist and because they do that they give him more cover so what would be whoa what would be your one best example where you believe he used that let's say the
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believe he used that let's say the Willie Horton strategy what what would be your best example of that I mean I think it's very subtle but I think this goat this this go back tweet that he used he wants when people think of the Democratic Party he wants them to think of Ilhan Omar he wants her face to be identified with the Democratic Party and I think it's brilliant I absolutely think it's brilliant okay but that phrase go back you know if that's not a vaca t'v racism I don't know what is well I'm not saying again I'm not saying he's a racist I'm saying look what is yes he sees her he saw Pelosi distancing herself from the aoc +4 and he said this is no good for me I need to tie them to the Democratic Party he sent out a tweet and he did it if if I'm trying to think of a another example if let's say he'd been let's say
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example if let's say he'd been let's say Ilan Omar had been British so yeah let's say she was somebody who had been born in Britain and to move to this country still had a British accent and was criticizing the president would the president can you imagine him say well one should go back to Great Britain fix things here there and come back and show us how it's done can you imagine he would have ever said that
maybe for different reasons yes I think it was very obvious bits of timing you have to think about the timing of when this happened it literally happened when and you you said it you're the one who said it on your show you know this is the reason he did it and and the reason that he used that language is because it he knows how to fire up the press and it gets even more coverage and it spirals exactly the way he wants it to well there's no doubt it works so but I don't conflate being provocative with being
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conflate being provocative with being racist to me to me you could be very provocative and you could be strategic at the same time that you're not racist but I think I think he is provocative in a way that is is unhealthy to the to the country inside that that inflames racial feelings in in people oh I actually agree with that so that that's actually I think we're on complete agreement there so what I've been saying is that the three places I criticize them health care immigration and race relations is for that reason he does use it for provocation and he uses it strategically but it has a side effect that we see which is pretty bad all right thanks thanks so much Steven you were great go see gonna move along you know thanks for the call thank you let's see Oh Jill Jill Jill Jill come to
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let's see Oh Jill Jill Jill Jill come to me Jill let's talk about TDs Jill are you there go but I was thinking yesterday I do have a problem that's not with TDS it's something much more significant to me which I look at because I have all the symptoms of a derangement syndrome I have DNC TS or even Obama derangement syndrome because there is nothing that the Democrats do that I can accept or agree with I think all the candidates are complete nuts with all their socialist policies so I think I have all the symptoms of dream consume for example but your tonight I have a long list of things that I could compete and if you just prove one of them I will just go on to the next one and say but they're crazy about this topic how do i how do I solve my problem with all right you're not you're not playing fair I'm looking for people are real real Trump derangement syndrome so
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real real Trump derangement syndrome so I'm gonna move to another caller let's see okay there's a interesting first name which tells me I might get an interesting caller caller are you there hey what's your first name how do you spell that Mak Oh a last name Basti doc I love that name that's a great name do you have a trump derangement syndrome or you a trump supporter I can channel my dad's derangement syndrome you can channel your dad's so you have that bad situation where holidays are a little awkward oh he refuses to move back down Bama because yes I love AM arrangement syndrome as well okay but you're but you don't have Trump derangement syndrome no all right well I'm only talking to people have trumped arrangements syndrome today because I'm trying to deprogram them but I hope you're listening so that you can get some tips for deprogramming your dad
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some tips for deprogramming your dad thank you all right take care all right let's see if we get one more lively TDS sufferer
caller can you hear me hello caller hey do we have a bad connection I can hear you okay sounds better now do you have Trump derangement syndrome well I believe Trump's a racist but I don't have TDS okay go on can you give me your first of all are you a trump supporter or are you a Democrat or anti Trump or Republican what are you I'm an independent and perfect perfect can you give me your number one best evidence that Trump is a racist you know Scott I've taken sexual harassment training a bunch of times and
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harassment training a bunch of times and the first thing no we're gonna get to it through sexual sexual training cut because the first thing they teach you is that the definition of sexual harassment is whatever the person offended by it says it is yeah yep but that's where we're at with racism Scott it's whatever the person offended says says it is if you're not you have the opposite of TDs you have the opposite of TDs you're too rational no no but by that definition look I mean if you if you don't agree that that's the definition then types racist but but you can't you can't say you know they're sending rapers and send them back and build the wall and find people on both sides you can't say all those things wait hold on although second hole a second do you think that the president
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second do you think that the president said that the neo-nazis in Charlottesville were fine people not the neo-nazis but the people that like statues that sort of honor a past that offends some people and okay by the way you know you don't think there are any any good people who simply want to keep the history up even though they abour racism themselves you don't think there's anybody who has that opinion who's a reasonably good person who would never be racist ya know the same way I think you can like women and still harass them you might not be a you might like statues but you can still offend somebody and like what do you know that you have to make a choice are you going to use language that runs the risk of offending people on that basis or are you going to be sensitive to it and once you decide you're gonna blurt stuff out and run the risk of offending that class
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and run the risk of offending that class of people then you're taking the risk of
he doesn't happily like he just like it's fine if you want to say it's oh hold on hold on correct well but then like it or not in trouble and so so is it is that the people who who claim to be offended should they determine outcomes is that good enough if somebody claims they're offended then you can be labeled a racist forever is that is that a standard you'd like to see no but that is the standard sadly I wish I could argue that that does seem to it seems to be what people are treating as a standard but you understand that when Trump ran he said I'm not going to be politically in politically correct so he rejected the standard and he rejects it every day so he seems to be willing to attack anybody in any way all the time
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attack anybody in any way all the time and his the people who support him say that's fair he's attacking everybody all the time and he said he doesn't care what you call him he's gonna be politically incorrect and he prefers it that way so I hear what you're saying so I don't disagree with your statement that if you've defined it as being people's opinions and it seems as though we have then therefore that definition would would apply in this case so I you know I I try not to argue with just definitions but I get what you're saying all right thank you so much for the call thank you all right I'm still trying to drag him somebody who's really got a bad case let me ask you this given the number of people who would see this periscope is happening they're not all people who follow me a lot of it is seen by the general public don't you think there were a lot of people who were serious anti-trump errs who saw this and didn't come in why is that do you think
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didn't come in why is that do you think that the anti-trump errs on some level no that their opinion is not legitimate because that's what I'm starting to think because as many times as I've offered now you've seen me do this a number of times right in public and it's a pretty big public I mean a lot of people see that when a periscope is live anybody who's looking for live periscope scan see all the choices and it's right in my title so you would think that this would have attracted at least some trolls at least some people who were serious Democrats who really had a problem why is it that we didn't get any why is that it's not because I'm scary right I don't think people thought oh if I go on his periscope he's going to you know belittle me and you know insult me or something nobody thinks that I don't think so I think they don't want to lose their anger I think that people have
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their anger I think that people have chosen a lifestyle and identity around hating Trump that is sparked by some kind of thing that rubs them the wrong way there's something about its personality that you either like it or you hate it but it's hard to be neutral about you and the people who are rubbed the wrong way have built a lifestyle around their hatred of him that connects them with other people who have similar feelings but I'm starting to think quite literally this is no joke I'm starting to think that nobody actually believes what they believe even on a conscious level they know that in other words I think the anti-trump errs are completely aware that their criticisms are not actually technically accurate but they're part of a team play now they're not unusual I would say that they're just plenty of people on the right as well because it's a normal human thing
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well because it's a normal human thing who have sort of chosen a lifestyle and will pair it whatever attacks seem to be popular or funny against the left so we all have that tendency but when I offer to deprogram somebody from a feeling which has to be a horrible feeling imagine waking up every day and thinking you're in the you know the end times because of this president I wake up every day literally I woke up today and the first thought as I got in the bed was what a great day literally I just thought I'm waking it waking up into a great country on a sunny day in the summer things are going pretty well no wars that were at least that we're getting into and if you're waking up into this this dystopian nightmare which a lot of people seem to be waking up in too
too why wouldn't you want to change that and the only thing I can this is my best hypothesis is that it's because it's who they are it's not about what they're
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they are it's not about what they're thinking the thing that we see as a mental illness actually literally I don't mean that as a hyperbole it looks to me like actual mental illness but I'm no mental illness expert so don't don't take my word for it it just looks like it to me but it's probably just some lifestyle integrity thing where people don't want to get end of their lifestyle style bubble if you will all right my book loser think will talk about these things and more November fifth it will be out the best book you've ever read in your life or maybe most useful and we'll talk more about this stuff another day until then have a great weekend