Episode 613 Scott Adams: Let’s Play “Is the President a Racist or do I Have TDS?”

Date: 2019-07-30 | Duration: 1:01:42

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Let’s play “Is the President racist, or do I have TDS? Elijah Cummings is failing his job, and only President Trump can say it Alyssa Milano feels “hopeless”…her nightmare illusion Democrats want to prevent discussion of Baltimore’s issues…why? Preventing discussion prevents solutions Kamala…if you want to win the nomination tonight, here’s how Bring up AGE…cause everybody is thinking it, nobody saying it We shouldn’t judge public figures by actions over 20 years ago Nobody is the same person they were 20 years ago Is it fair to judge a person by who they were 20 years ago? Republicans are spring-loaded to be helpful…they love it Play by the rules and Republicans will love you, it’s easy

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pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom hello everybody come on in here it's time for coffee with Scott Adams and as you're pouring in here I see you all Steven Jeremy berry take a seat we got stuff to talk about what kinds of stuff and we'll be talking about it but you don't have to just talk you can do more than talk you can join in with a simultaneous em all you need is a cup of my glasses Stein a chalice tankard a thermos a flask with canteen a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee you don't have to drink coffee but if you don't man are you missing something it's time for the dopamine hit of the day the best part of the day the thing that makes everything else so better the simultaneous sip me

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that is some good simultaneous 7 well as my title suggests I'd like to play a few rounds of is the president a racist or do I have TDS now the I in this case is not me this is the players so anybody who would like to play the game today I'll invite you into the guest area to be a guest you have to be on a mobile device doesn't work on a laptop and press the little icon on the bottom that has a little happy faces and that will put you in queue and if I select you you will go live on audio let's talk a few few other things while people are thinking about it so when we play the game you each are gonna get to have one point so each player only gets to say one reason why they think the presidents are racist just one and then I will respond and I will judge them whether that's a good reason or they have TDs

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that's a good reason or they have TDs all right let's talk about President Trump's attacks representative Cummings is it working there's some indication was at CNN I think it was reporting that maybe president the president's aides have some disagreement about whether these attacks on Baltimore and Elijah Cummings are effective here's my judgment effective they are very effective at this point when you think of Elijah Cummings what do you think about two weeks ago if I said Elijah Cummings what's the first thing you think of if you know politics and you know the players you know probably most of the country would say who I didn't know there were I didn't even know there were representatives but the people were paying attention the people who know the major players what would they say if you

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major players what would they say if you said Elijah Cummings was your first thought you would say the Lion of civil rights you'd say one of the most respected hardest fighting civil rights warriors in the entire government but today July 30th 2019 I say Elijah Cummings what do you think of rats you think of Baltimore you think of Baltimore and you think of complete breakdown you think of complete leadership failure you think of corruption I'm not saying that Elijah Cummings is corrupt I'm saying that's what you think of when you think of Baltimore and now the president has associated Baltimore and rats and insects with Elijah Cummings now is that

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with Elijah Cummings now is that effective yeah I think it is it's effective on a bunch of different levels number one it's effective because it's probably going to make something happen there's a good chance that just the the attention that's being paid to Baltimore and then and Baltimore sort of a surrogate for the inner cities elsewhere it probably will create some new energy it might raise the priority it might free up some money it might free up some talent that otherwise been somewhere else so with this much focus from the most important focus or in the country the president is that good probably probably now we don't know but I have to think that calling on a problem is generally good if it's a problem that people could make a difference on and I think they could how about politically is it helping him that everybody is calling the president

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that everybody is calling the president a racist because he used the word infestation well the first few days the Democrats probably landed a punch they probably did but then the next few days you start seeing videos of President Obama referring to crime infestation other people saying it and then you say oh now I get it that's just a word how many words are there they're really mean racist things that we didn't know about if you had told me a month ago that the word infestation used in conjunction with an inner city when you're talking literally about the vermin the actual vermin the animals the creatures you know that in the bugs if you told me that that was racist a month ago I would have just laughed I said that's just a word are you kidding me but the Democrats did a pretty good job of convincing people you know all along that was always a bad word the whole time you didn't know it

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word the whole time you didn't know it maybe I didn't know it nobody knew it but the whole time that's been one of those words as secretly he tells you that you're thinking bad things but here's the thing it is ridiculous it's completely ridiculous but here we are and I think what breaks the president is a racist thing is when it stretches too far to the point where even the people who were believers say all right well that's a little bit too far how many Democrats maybe none so I'll just ask the question how many Democrats saw this this accusation that the word infestation when talking about actual rats was racist because you know a he only uses these bad words against places that have brown people how many Democrats said well I don't know about

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Democrats said well I don't know about that that to me just seems like a word that people use to describe the actual thing he's talking about do you think there were no Democrats just none anywhere in the country who her then said infestation that's now racist that's just a descriptive word that people commonly use maybe some but how many people on the right were convinced let's say Trump supporters or convinced that he's a racist because of it how many people were on the fence and said uh well I was on the fence but now he's used this word infestation and uh okay now I guess he must be a racist maybe none people were either already there or they weren't pushed there by that word so I think that one of the things the President does well is he knows when he has a free punch or free money on the table whichever whatever analogy you

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table whichever whatever analogy you want to use he couldn't be more accused of being a racist that wouldn't be possible there was no place to go he can't be any additionally more accused but he can make you think about rats and the total corruption in Baltimore and he can pay to his opponents with it and he did that so it was sort of a free punch and he took it the other thing that's good is that Elijah Cummings apparently one of the issues he was trying to go after the personal information or financial information for Ivanka and Jared and the president had sort of drawn a line there and said that's too far and when Elijah Cummings as part of his job being head of the Oversight Committee what is it the oversight and what is it it's the Oversight and Reform Committee tried to get their information and the president said well watch this hold my beer I'm gonna turn you into the image of rats in

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gonna turn you into the image of rats in Baltimore and then he did it here's why that's good even if it makes no difference for Elijah Cummings and even if it makes no difference to what's happening at the moment if you're a representative and you're watching what the president is doing to Cummings and he is really ripping him apart the president is he's he's making he's leaving a mark Elijah Cummings will never be the same person he never will be he will always be painted with us and it's more recent than his accomplishments which we consider among the greatest you know things that American can do which is fight against discrimination and bigotry so he's really putting a mark on him the president is putting a mark on Cummings so if you're a representative who was not yet come after the president with full force do you think it's a good idea

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full force do you think it's a good idea because the president has made it very clear that if you come after him he's gonna single you out he's gonna brand you and it's gonna stick it's not gonna wash off so maybe if you're a representative you say to yourself you know maybe I'll talk about healthcare today how about that yeah if you're if you're someone else you're watching what's happening to cummings and you're saying to yourself maybe I don't want to be in that fight now Cummings one thing we can say about Cummings right is that he's tough he's brave we know that from his history very tough very brave he certainly can take it he could take the heat Cummings probably will be fine even though his reputation will be damaged because he's tough but the people watching this are gonna say maybe I don't want to get in the cage fight so you're always playing for the next you

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you're always playing for the next you know the next move and the president's getting some advantage there that's easy to miss all right does it feel to you that the anti-trump errs they went from being I know frightened and political and all the things that people are to something that's beginning to feel to me like a zombie apocalypse does it feel like that let me let me put it this way when people disagree with Republicans they usually think well those Republicans are too religious or they're too strictly interpreting the Constitution or they they think that you know different opinions on abortion etc but it feels like just opinions about stuff when people disagree with the Republicans it seems like we're they're disagreeing on topics on philosophy on

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disagreeing on topics on philosophy on priorities totally normal stuff but what I look at Democrats now it doesn't feel like that it doesn't feel like they are people who are disagreeing on topics and politics and philosophy if feels feels like they have become mindless zombies who were just sort of marching through the fields they are a fast race I asked what's the topic today well about the debt raise asked ray sighs how are things in Baltimore racist racist brains musty brains what do you think about health care rights asked right ass what about energy right fast there's only one thing that they could do that's it they don't have a second speed there's nothing there but zombies and I

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there's nothing there but zombies and I think the zombie stuff is literally Trump derangement syndrome now I'm not qualified to make a medical judgment but allow me to make a medical judgment there is something deeply mentally troubling about the people who see racism in literally everything so speaking of that Alyssa Milano recently said she said and you know Alyssa Milano she's a famous anti-trump ER and actress she said quote I keep getting DMS asking me if I'm okay she wrote truth is I'm feeling hopeless hopeless think about that the United States right now right now is the best it's ever been and the world is the best that's ever been by far if you go back a hundred years

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far if you go back a hundred years poverty is what ten times greater the odds of war today in the United States right now the odds of war very very small you know maybe we drop some bombs somewhere but the odds of war vanishingly small but Alyssa Milano is feeling hopeless or as I like to say all right let me continue she continued mashings corruption lies racism xenophobia crimes against humanity and the Republican Party is not standing up to the tier terney it's a lot so she's puzzled as to why the Republicans are not standing up to mass shootings corruption lies racism xenophobia crimes against humanity why are Republicans not standing up against those things because they don't exist

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those things because they don't exist some of them exist but for the most part they're imaginary now the shootings of course are real so I'm not saying everything you know and corruption exists and people I and stuff but the lying of course is not the big problem she says she throws lying in a list with crimes against humanity does that feel right here here are the things that are wrong with the country mass shootings crimes against humanity racism xenophobia and lying lie lying lying is just everyday politics is that really on the same list with with that other stuff and and she says that the Republican Party is not standing up to the tyranny who in the Republican Party is in favor of mass shootings which which elected member of the federal government is

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member of the federal government is saying racism yeah that's okay none what is she imagining what what crimes against humanity our Republicans in favor of none they don't see them you know when when Republicans look at the kids in cages they say we don't want kids in cages we don't but we're also looking at all the alternatives were considering Lee we're considering the you know the trade-offs and all that but the kids in cages nobody wants that there's nobody who's you know what's it a little less than somebody else nobody wasn't alright so it seems to me that the Democrats are in sort of a dream illusion zombie state in which when we look at them they don't even seem to be operating like regular functioning human beings I'm not I don't

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functioning human beings I'm not I don't mean to dehumanize them that's not where I'm going this I'm saying that the look from my perspective is that they've lost their minds anyway I say lost their minds I don't mean permanently and I don't mean that they're dumb you know not more they're not any dumber than any other collection of people people can be pretty dumb in just in general but Democrats problem is not their Dog Democrats problem is not that they have some permanent organic problem but at the moment something has clicked off there whatever a little bit of critical thinking they might have had people don't have a lot of it so it doesn't take a much to turn it off and they are actually in some kind of a dream slash nightmare in which the best way to describe our daily experience according to Alyssa Milano is mass shootings corruption lies racism xenophobia crimes against humanity

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xenophobia crimes against humanity that's the world they're actually experiencing do you know what world I experienced today I woke up and it was a nice sunny day I thought about my 401 K and I liked it I thought about the odds of war and I thought very low I thought about the problems in this country which are big such as the inner cities and I thought to myself I know a whole bunch of people who just this week we volunteered to help on the inner city problems I'm watching people step up right in front of it because the president called it out and people said ok that's our new priority Republicans the leader of the Republicans you know the leader of the right is just calling out a thing that needs to get fixed people on the right look at me say yep he's right the president's right that needs to be fixed and the Republicans were saying that are they saying because of all the

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that are they saying because of all the white people live in Baltimore no no the Republicans are looking at it the same as the president saying that is a serious serious problem needs a little more priority let's fix it for the black people the brown people and the people of all types who live there that's exactly what Republicans were thinking I've never met a Republican who didn't have essentially that point of view of course if there's a way to help but we just don't want to pour a bunch of money into the local government and it doesn't get you know used the way we want it to be used we can't do it that way but we all want to help so I'm seeing the most positive optimistic can do step up kind of a world that I've ever experienced probably the best world of my life and I wake up into that world every day Alyssa Milano wakes up into a nightmare but the nightmare is one of her choosing because she and I live in identical worlds like

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she and I live in identical worlds like Alyssa Milano I am a privileged white person in America with the resources living in living in you know nice homes and stuff but she wakes up into a nightmare and I wake up into an imperfect paradise it's imperfect and I certainly want to fix everything that's not working it's and by the way I put effort into it I don't just talk about the inner cities I've actually put work into it as you know it tried to be helpful for Bill Paul T's efforts on the blight Authority and improbably don't we need more more bill Polti I wake up every morning and I'm seeing bill pulled a in his Trump I'm sorry I drop Twitter philanthropy hashtag Twitter philanthropy helping people who are in desperate need of help and that makes me feel hopeful and positive

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positive that's the world I wake up into every day now I was just watching a YouTube video by dr. Gary blahblah maybe somebody could remember his last name it was talking about the subjective nature of happiness Alyssa Milano and I wake up into an identical world I mean it's as close as you can get and I except for gender were sort of the same person yeah I'm older but we wake up into these privileged situations and she wakes up in a nightmare and I wake up and in this wonderful situation you can see that subjectively subjectively we're able to interpret our surroundings with a great deal of flexibility I can interpret my world as working out well still lots of problems and I'm gonna jump in and help when I can she's waking up into a nightmare and wonders why the other people don't see it let me tell you why

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people don't see it let me tell you why the other people don't see it there they're just not waking up into your nightmare other people are not in your nightmare I can't see your nightmare that she's created a sort of world that she lives in this and I'm air and we're not in it so of course we can't see it so I would argue that the president's philosophical background very similar to my own which was the power of positive thinking you can actually reinterpret your experience to be more positive without losing sight that there are major problems and your attention right away that doesn't change even if you think you're having a good day you still know you got to take care of business that doesn't change so I wish the Democrats had some way to get past the politics so they could experience what I experience every day and I think

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what I experience every day and I think some of you experienced it too I'd love to see your opinions but my experience of life is that it's pretty good and getting better and I wish everybody could feel that because it's great I wake up into that every day even if I'm having a bad day you know I can still have a bad day personally but I still wake up into a world that's pretty darn good pretty darn good and getting better alright here's what else I like about the president's attacks on Elijah Cummings and in Baltimore and I'm gonna say something that will sound simple and watch how it just sinks in so you're gonna feel something in a moment right I'm gonna say something it'll just sound like a normal sentence it'll just sit there and then it's gonna wash over you you ready for this when the president attacks Elijah Cummings in Baltimore he is identifying

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Cummings in Baltimore he is identifying the problem and talking about it and here's here's the sentence that's gonna change how you think about this you can't fix what you can't talk about and the Democrats are trying to make it hard to talk about a place that has a large black population with a leader who is a civil rights hero it's hard to talk about it the President of the United States promised us when he was running for election he told us in direct language I'm going to ignore political correctness what's the biggest problem you're watching right in front of your eyes the biggest problem that you're watching right in front of you play out is that the Democrats can't talk about the problem they want that problem to be untalked about able not really word but let's say it is because they need to

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let's say it is because they need to protect the reputation of a hero they want to make sure that nothing sounds a racist or bigoted they have restraints that this president does not have he told you I don't have that restraint now we have seen he's not you know the Democrats won't paint him as crazy a crazy old guy who will say anything you know and he can't be trusted because it'll just blur things out well you visited the Queen of England there wasn't any blurting was her no blurting he did that entire trip you know with royalty all these rules which spoon do you use who you know how fast do you walk when you with the Queen do you pal all this stuff how did he navigate all that stuff no problem no problem do you know why there wasn't anything he needed to say to the Queen of England there couldn't be said you know through the regular structure of

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know through the regular structure of the rules and the way they were getting along he need to be politically incorrect there was no point to be politically incorrect with the Queen no point but with Baltimore is there a point to walk into the hornet's nest and say I'm covered with Hornets and your frickin city is a pile of trash it's it's infested it's full of rats Hornets biting him you're racist you're racist you can't say that about Elijah Cummings you're racist you're racist and he stands there in the middle of the hornet's nest bite bite bite bite bite bite bite bite bite bite bite and he still says still I feel it still Baltimore is a mess and your leaders are failing you did that need to be said wow it need to be needed to be said it really really needed to be

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to be said it really really needed to be said and when they called him a racist for saying it what did he do double down he doubled down that's why you elected him I say you because I didn't vote for those of you who are new it looks like we got some new people here but I didn't vote for a trump because I don't vote it allows me to be slightly less biased than I might otherwise be because I haven't joined a team per se yeah Trump is doing what he promised to do he's taking the the stings and he's allowing people to talk about the thing that needs to get fixed for the first time how much were we talking about Baltimore a year ago not not at all now it might be that the presidents you know the final straw the thing that made him go off on Elijah Cummings had more to do with politics and the fact that Cummings

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with politics and the fact that Cummings was going after his family but I'm pretty sure that should stop - do I have any problem that the president went after you know one of the heroes of civil rights who was aniline nope nope I don't care who gets out of line Cummings is out of line he's when he's coming after the the president's family just just fishing for trouble they don't even have some specific thing they're just fishing for trouble is he doing a good job as an elected representative no not even clumps he's not doing his job you can be you can hold two thoughts in your head at the same time Elijah Cummings can be a hero of civil rights he can be a great man in lots of ways I'm yeah I hear good things about him mark Meadows likes him that's good enough for me so he's endorsed by you know people of all types so that all can be true but he's not doing his job at the moment I'm sorry

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the moment I'm sorry does that make anybody feel bad he's not doing his job he is failing his job and because of who he is his reputation his position it's hard for anybody to move against them except one person there's one person in the world who will walk into a hornet's nest and say well it looks like everybody bitten by or stung by a thousand Hornets if I say this and then he says it and a thousand Hornets sting it and then he says you know what I just got stung by a thousand Hornets watch this and then he says it again and they says it again and then we get used to it and then we can talk about it because he keeps saying it we're talking about it we can't stop and actually you know you're talking about the thing you couldn't talk about and then only then can you fix it if you've ever worked for a business you know big corporation for example if there are topics you can't talk about

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there are topics you can't talk about and there always are there's always gonna be somebody's pet project there's always gonna be something going on in a big corporation that you can't really talk obviously about because there's some political or whatever problem does that thing ever get fixed never never if you can't talk about it you can't fix it period that's it there's no you know unless something lucky happens I suppose the president is taking care of that all right let's talk about the democratic debate which is tonight I'm gonna take some calls at a moment people who want to I'm looking for the zombies not not the people who are living in the good world so if there any zombies who won't argue that the president's racist and it's right in front of our eyes why can't we see it I'll be taking those in a moment but let me talk about the upcoming debate so I guess tonight's the first of the two debates the second phase of the debates and correct me if I'm wrong is

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debates and correct me if I'm wrong is Harris & Biden they're on the stage together again that's right right Harrison Biden or both on in this first group because I was trying to think what is likely to happen and I'm gonna give Carmel Harris some political advice they're almost 5,000 people watching this periscope at least one of you must have a way to get to Kabul Harris gamla if you want to win the presidency hey ready if you want to win the presidency tonight I'm gonna tell you what to say tonight to win to win or not well you win the nomination you won't win the presidency because President Trump is gonna destroy anybody who runs against them it's not gonna be close well at least you could get the nomination that would feel pretty good I would suppose so here's how Camilla Harris can take the nomination she can bring up age

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the nomination she can bring up age if Kamala Harris brings up age she is the Democratic nominee because you know what everybody who is a Democrat is thinking what about age do you know what nobody on the Democrat side is saying age there's somebody who just came on here and said that my stepson is dead because of my ego nice people right who was it who woke up this morning and said let's say let's go publicly insult the guy with the dead son that somebody woke up and said I think that will be my good play today I'll go after him for his dead son somehow I think I'll blame it on him yeah appointment on him good people here so I know I have the right people here because I was trying to attract the

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because I was trying to attract the zombies so I have I have at least one zombie here well I blocked him so you won't see that a zombie but I'm I'm welcoming all the zombies and I'm gonna open it up for questions in a moment all right let me just finish this point the Democrats are the ones who can't talk about certain things they restrict themselves as much as they try to restrict other people nobody wants to be an ageist but everybody's thinking it there's nobody watching this race who is it thinking yeah but what about age what about age what about age he's old he's old he's old he's old that that message is running in your head continuously but nobody's saying it out loud if Kamala Harris gets on stage tonight and she says you know I see how it would be hard to distinguish all the people up here well let me make a suggestion to the voters pick somebody who's from a younger generation so we have a chance don't pick someone who won't have the trust of all the country because there

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trust of all the country because there is something about age that that makes us lose a step so you could say when I'm 75 if I tell you I'm running for president don't vote for me imagine that imagine that line imagine calmly hair saying let's be honest folks age takes a toll if I'm 75 and running for president I'm gonna ask you right now don't vote for me that would be the only headline every other headline would disappear and nobody would disagree with her nobody no Republican no press person no Democrat oh yeah people would argue because we're in arguing culture so people would pretend they disagree with her they pretend it and matter etc somebody says swell well said it you did and and what and what happened it was the biggest headline right sois Wells comment was a big headline

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sois Wells comment was a big headline but you need somebody in the top four to say it before it becomes important so the messenger is as important as the message right now Warren is the the young person in the top four and the young person in the top four if she says that it's a completely different thing than if the guy who can't possibly win says it so yeah so swallow well saying it would not be nearly as important as calmly harrassing it so there's my there's my advice to you family if you'd like to be the nominee and by the way I've predicted that she will be all she has to do is bring up age because people will who and they will holler and they'll say maybe it's unfair they will talk about older presidents they'll talk about Reagan they'll talk about Trump's age they'll talk about all kinds of historical things but Biden and Sanders will disappear their poll numbers will disappear the

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their poll numbers will disappear the Democrats need somebody to be honest with them do you think that the Democrats are thinking let's let's get the guy in his mid to late 70s they're not they're thinking it's the best they got
got but if cobble Harris calls it out for the stupidity stupidity that it is and it is if I can be honest electing somebody is old as Bernie or Biden it's just not smart if you have other good choices it's just not smart it's not a political difference it's not a philosophical difference there are some things they're simply just not smart and if you consider that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden don't really have much difference in terms of their policies I mean there are differences but probably not you know giant gulfs you know it's all acceptable within the Democrat universe I would think the simply pointing out the age difference would be

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pointing out the age difference would be the end of the story so look for that I don't I'm not going to predict she does it by the way but I do predict that this message will get to her and maybe maybe you never know all right I'm gonna take some callers here's the game and how it's played the game is called is the president racist or do I have T TS you each get to give me one piece of evidence one only one per caller you I want you to state it sort of succinctly I don't want a background I don't want to hear about your history I don't want to hear the context the philosophy or anything like that just say I believe he's a racist here's one of the reasons all right that's the game now generally when I do this I end up with a bunch of people who are not actually here for that reason so I might have to cycle through a few but let's see what tom has

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through a few but let's see what tom has to say Tom can you hear me as it was available and I'm actually one of the good guys so I'm like okay Tom alright thank you Tom I appreciated that he fessed up so I'm gonna pick somebody who owe a entire life time but you have a flag from another country next to you I wanted an American that would be good LT I think I have a good feeling about LT LT you can hear me hi how are you good are you here to play is the pressure on the racist go give us give us your I'm assuming would it be true to say that you have a number of reasons well you think just one one so I won't name one okay look try one I think

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name one okay look try one I think within the 70s he was sue for housing discrimination correct so that's your best one that's one so okay let's deal with that one do you remember whether President Trump himself was implicated in that do you know if he was personally and to be implicated personally I'm not sure yeah the answer is now there's actually no evidence that the president was even aware of it did you know that no I didn't yeah his staff was shown to be discriminating now not that this I'm not going to make a defense of discrimination but I want to I'm just curious if you were aware of this distinction apparently the staff was doing it because they thought you know it was their job to make the building profitable so they were managing the building they wanted to have it all filled with renters and they would all

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filled with renters and they would all be paying the rent and stuff and the concern was that if they allowed black people to rent it would discourage other other white people from wanting to live there so the words it wasn't so much that they thought Trump was a racist or that the people making the decisions were personally racist but they were making an assumption about other white people being racists and they were saying huh this might be bad for business because independent of what we think and who knows if they were racist or not you know that's not in evidence but as it was actually I'm old enough to remember when that was a common business assumption was that people would say well I'm not a racist but I worry that my other customers might be have you ever heard that distinction I'm not I'm not defending racism I'm just saying have you ever heard it described that way well I mean if this his company he's the head so the responsibility as well yeah yeah absolutely I agree with you hundred percent so the way you know the

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hundred percent so the way you know the way society is organized somebody has to be responsible and in the case of a company it's the boss period but you could be responsible without actually being aware of it would you agree it's possible but yeah yeah I would say that you could say for sure he should he should have had a handle on him but we also observed that he's run a whole number of businesses very hands-off I think he's had four hundred businesses with his name on it he's always got more going on than most of us can handle what do you imagine that he's a very detailed kind of a manager in all of his businesses or do you think he sort of sets him up and then steps back and does something else I'm not sure about it but it being so many so you you assume so but yeah well anyway I have let me run by you a philosophical rule that I would like to

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philosophical rule that I would like to suggest a society take it's a rule that we would like to apply to ourselves and I'd like your opinion on this and and therefore we should apply it to other people sort of the golden rule you know treat other people the way you'd like to be treated I have a rule that we should not judge public figures by actions that are over twenty years old and the reason is if you think about who you were 20 years ago would you want to be judged by that person because almost certainly you're a different person now wouldn't you say would you say that's true of you uh yeah Alice thinks though yeah when I look at things I did let's say in my twenties or whatever and I think my son my god I would never do that today should I be judged by that when every every cell in my body has died and been replaced my brain is completely reprogrammed by my experience I would say I'm a completely different person I mean you take take crime for example the

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mean you take take crime for example the the reason that well not the reason but people in their 20s and 30s are far more likely to commit crimes people in their 50s and 60s far less likely just because of age you're you're literally just a different person then you don't have the same risk profile and you don't feel the same about your place in society etc so would you would you accept we're not talking about President Trump in particular but do you think society would be better off with a rule that says you know you may have done some bad things in the 70s when a lot of people were doing bad things and and honestly we didn't know any better you know ignorant is never an excuse right you don't get off you know the police don't let you go because you didn't know it was illegal so not knowing isn't is an excuse but we were Dumber less effective more bigoted people three or forty years ago there's no question about that but would you agree that people were more bigger than 30 years ago there's a

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more bigger than 30 years ago there's a lot of bigoted people now I can't really measure that I mean I guess yes okay you sound you sound young as I'm 35 35 yeah so you're young at my age I'm what am i City to or something I I remember the 70s and and there were things that were just routine and it seemed normal to us at the time that would be so grotesquely like unacceptable in 2019 it would just make your head spin yeah just if you watch old TV shows and stuff you'll see things I was watching even even family guy I was watching that the animated show Family Guy a rerun there was a rerun that must be ten years old or something and they were doing things that even ten years ago you couldn't do today those shows would never get on the air because we've we've changed so much in terms of what we think is acceptable but at the time

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think is acceptable but at the time there probably wasn't a big up cry because the world was sort of a rougher place people were a little more unkind a little you know less likely to do something right anyway well yeah well the thing about it seems like he uses I guess you would call identity politics to like um I guess like strict with his support life our light will fall off like we race and that's the main thing I don't like about him now I hear a lot of people say that but do you would you or have you ever heard this so I'll just ask you if if he's been exposed to this I I'm mostly associated with being a pro Trump person but I don't hear it so what you're saying what you're describing as his using race language is invisible to me do you would you do you think I'm lying

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do you would you do you think I'm lying about that now we don't know each other so you know miss uppity you I mean there's like like the language he uses is I don't see it's coded but it's basically like like tropes and stuff fine you're like no like go by where you come from and you know you know just dislike do different things like that I mean well it's not like the rate like say AHA that's it but is this no it's just like you know I guess yeah yeah I guess I would say is coated well so here's here's the thing that maybe I can add to your knowledge base so you probably hang around with fewer Republicans than I do was that a fair favor guess fair to say and I would say in all the last several years since I've been talking about this topic and about Trump I have never met even one not even one Republican or

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even one not even one Republican or Trump supporter who believed that his language was racist or any kind of a code to them or we're telling them something bigoted or anything like that that I've never met any Republican who hears it that way but I would agree that almost every Democrat does here is that way well what do you make of that since since your very point of it is that he's talking to his base but I can confirm and maybe somebody in the comments can confirm there are more Trump supporters in the comments so they think so so in the comments tell me Trump supporters how many people in the comments believe that the president is sending you coded tropes and sort of racially divisive language how many of you who are supporters of the president hear it yeah people are people are saying that's it yeah yesterday I think he was tweeting about how somebody said he hates whites and cops oh he was talking

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hates whites and cops oh he was talking about Elijah coming who is he talking about Elijah talking Oh al Sharpton yeah so but you know that el Sharpton and President Trump had actually been friends for years right now but you don't think that when they were hanging out together do you think al Sharpton thought you was a racist or that or that President Trump had a big problem with Al Sharpton they were just friends yeah so the funniest thing about that was Trump calling el Sharpton a con man and of course everybody calls Trump a con man and I've got a feeling that one of the reasons that el Sharpton and Trump were friends is that they sort of understood each other's game you know they're they're both about persuasion and they're both about you know hyperbole they're both about effect so I you know to me to me all the al Sharpton stuff looks like just game playing yeah with some buddies literally had been

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with some buddies literally had been friends with and probably would be friends with after his presidency they'd probably be they'd probably be hanging around again after this so I don't take anything else out to stuff too seriously but we can can I get your thoughts on this point I think I've introduced a thought that maybe you don't hear from Democrats and the the thought is that the Republicans genuinely like literally genuinely I promise you this is true I've never heard anybody say that they hear it in his voice and if there are supporters they think he's talking about treating all Americans the same and then sometimes that makes people feel unhappy and get offended but they feel very quickly what they feel they hear is he's pro-american period doesn't matter what you know what you're some category is if you're American you're American and if you're not American then it's his job to give you less and give Americans more so that's what we hear let me ask you let

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that's what we hear let me ask you let me ask you if you believe we hear that so you don't have to believe he means that I'm not asking you if it's true but do you believe me when I tell you that I've never heard any Republican or Trump supporters say that they here are the racist overtones of this language does that sound even believable believable because I mean I've heard thank like people that support Trump in a you know there there dear I mean someone like you but like a lot of like a race thing going on but you know I think this whole like the whole race thing is really like a distress and did he use this because you know basically I think the main thing that Trump has done since he's been in office like the tax bill and you know you know what transferor you know like all the money to the top of whatever so I think like all this great stuff is just a distraction so we know that you keep on and it will move in a minute to the top well I would agree I would agree with

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well I would agree I would agree with you on this point that the the greatest distinction in society is rich versus poor and if you're if you're a billionaire black guy you have more in common with the rich than you have with any other group at that point that would be my take so I think you're onto something and that there's a more productive way to to look at this situation the in the race stuff does seem like some kind of a distraction let me ask you this if if you had to be in a situation where you were surrounded by mostly Republicans or mostly Democrats let's say a work environment let's say you took a job at a big organization and you knew it was either going to be mostly Republicans or mostly Democrats which of those two groups would more likely help you succeed in your career yes that's kind of a strange question it is a strange question well I guess

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is a strange question well I guess Republican is more business I guess I guess I was translating like the Democrat is more I guess worker for the worker I guess so I guess the problem because I guess therefore they just for profit yeah the Republicans generally have will say a code for life like a set of rules that they live by so the Republicans are I don't want to say obsessed but they give their priority to the Constitution and usually in the Bible and both the Constitution in the Bible are unambiguous about if people are willing to you know do some work on their own that we should help out and give everybody the you know equal chance I think you would discover here's me the best here's the best secret advice that I've never heard anybody give but this could actually change your life Republicans are spring-loaded to be

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Republicans are spring-loaded to be helpful they are by nature and by let's say socialization if if you're willing to work hard and play by the rules Republicans will will give you every assistance you can ever want because they love that you can make a Republican love you by by playing by the rules you know having a job and just being like a good citizen and playing by the Constitution and then you go to a Republican say hey you know you've observed me have a good person I play by the rules I treat everybody fairly you know can I get a promotion and that Republicans gonna say I love you I love you you you just played by the Constitution that's my rule and you are compatible with the Bible even if you're not religious you're compatible with the attendants of good good life the Republicans say you're the best person that's walked in my door all day I give you that promotion and they're gonna say the fact that you're black is a plus

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the fact that you're black is a plus because I would like to be part of the better world and if this is part of it I'm in watch the comments by the way if you have any doubt about what I'm saying being the common way the Republicans think just look at the comments there all agree it's the biggest hidden secret as long as you're willing to play by the same rules the Republicans are gonna give you every advantage you ever want it because they're there that is their code that's how they live so I think I lost loss of connection here but let me take another one called that was was that not the greatest call how often do you see a civil conversation like that I feel like you don't see that a lot that was pretty civil let's get somebody else so sorry LT I so thank you for that call you're great

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thank you for that call you're great Republicans love you I love your reasoned approach to the whole conversation and I would give you a job tomorrow all right Raul let's get Raul to to to to add guests is Raul coming on might have a technical problem Raul is processing all right that Oh Raoul are you there hello Raul I'm talking to you
looks like we have a bad connection trouble yeah you're we got a bad connection but I did select you I'm gonna have to go move on to someone else how about Gaston we will add you Gaston

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how about Gaston we will add you Gaston I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly
I'm good did I say your name right Gaston perfect like the one from the Beauty and the Beast Gaston alright so uh where do you live Gaston Toronto I'm a legal immigrant in Toronto Canada great from from what country Ecuador South America you are perfect you are exactly who I want to talk to are you here to play is Trump a racist or do I have to yes no he's not a racist I I know I don't I don't see it I'm I'm on your side actually okay so it's and well let me ask you this because you have a unique perspective both from being Canadian and also Ecuadorian what is the opinion of the

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Ecuadorian what is the opinion of the Ecuadorians in terms of the the immigrants do they think President Trump is a racist or do they think he's just protecting his border do you have a sense of that I've never I've never asked that question before well there's a lot of emotional people that that by the the media bias but there's a lot of people that think that is not that he has to protect his country and you have to play with the book and and do everything legally I am a legal immigrant so I have to support legal oops we lost that connection let me see if I can get somebody else on here quickly I gotta go to Kurt Kurt does not have a profile picture and that means he could be dangerous Kurt Kurt can you hear me I'm doing good thanks for thanks for coming on dude did you come to play is Trump a racist or do I have to yes oh absolutely all right perfect give it can you give

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all right perfect give it can you give me your one and I'm only asking people for one your one best example to prove your point right so I'm coming at this from a different angle that might be interesting to you but I actually think Trump is a racist towards white people and actually favors black Americans that's no fair but but if we look at if we look at prison reform and if we look at Trump's efforts to free ASAP rocky and other black Americans overseas we see the president actively courting the african-american population and not so much white Americans these days well you're gonna you're gonna force me to play devil's advocate these things that you mentioned were some things for ya like ASAP rocky rocky are really just individuals it doesn't have any impact on the rest of us at all so you could argue that these are for show but I I

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argue that these are for show but I I would argue and I always have that this show is the game the the show is not separate from the actual managing of the country this show is part of it and if part of the show is the show that everybody counts that race is not a deciding factor and Trump will help you get an of North Korea if you're otto warmbier and help you get out of Sweden if your ASAP Rocky III I think these are really even though it's only about one person we don't like to leave Americans behind it's a little bit like the Marines so III think that as lessons for who we are and what the government is and how we operate and stuff these little anecdotal one-off situations are very valuable even though it doesn't affect most of us directly waitwait Thank You Kurt for that I'm going to move on to another color but we don't have any so I'm going to end it here and I will talk to you later