Episode 612 Scott Adams: Fake Outrage Trolls, Will I Apologize for my Tweet Within 48 Hours?

Date: 2019-07-29 | Duration: 52:41

Topics

Troll outrage over reminding people that a tool exists to get word out News organizations seeking witness accounts…it’s an option Frank Luntz, Frank, Frank, Frank… …there’s no such thing as a news org that isn’t money oriented FAKE OUTRAGE…on behalf of other people It’s more productive to treat Gilroy as a mental health issue, than gun issue Calling people who support President Trump…”maggots” Gell-Man amnesia effect Experts on a topic know the news gets everything wrong… …on the topic of their expertise Should we trust the news is somehow correct on topics… …where we do NOT have personal expertise? Building NEW cities to house people from broken cities? Removing people from broken toxic environments Some people can’t function in society, and need a solution Cities for the addicted?

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hey everybody come on in here yeah it's time for coffee with Scott Adams today will be a lively one oh yeah we'll need lots of coffee for this I got my big job I hope you got your big cups too we're probably gonna have a lot of company today probably gonna see a lot of company you know I've told you before how sometimes you watch the news and sometimes she'd become part of the news it's weird to be me but most of you must appreciate weird because you're here and you know if you want to enjoy the intense pleasure of the simultaneous sip you don't need much you just need to show up but you also need some kind of a cup or a mug or glass maybe a Stein the chalice a tankard a thermos flask to canteen or a vessel of some sort put your favorite beverage in there I like coffee and join me from the dopamine hit it gets your

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me from the dopamine hit it gets your day going oh that's good dopamine I've got a little coffee warmer now makes everything better all right well let's start out with the big news of the day number one our first thoughts and our empathy are with the victims of the Gilroy shooting I would like to suggest that most of us darn near all of us I'd say 97% of us those of you watching me all of my critics probably feel exactly the same way when there's a mass shooting I would think we probably have very similar feelings we're all thinking about the victims we're all thinking it's the worst possible thing we're all wishing that it doesn't happen to us and we're all feeling very very bad for the people who experienced it I'm no different

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experienced it I'm no different so so for those of you who are imagining some kind of weird mind-reading is happening a lot of people have imagined that although most people are normal that I'm some kind of weird exception where I somehow have a different reaction to tragedy I don't turns out that tragedy affects normal people in all the ways you would expect and really help it to we care we wonder how we can help and then we do what we can it's very very important now for those of you who are not aware of the big story of the day well there's two parts of it one involves me but that's not the big story the big story of course is that there was a big shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival which is very close to me so it's just a short drive down the road someplace I've been many times I've been to Gilroy many times and

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times I've been to Gilroy many times and so this shooting is close to home and let me give you some background of what happened with my little controversy on the Internet today it started yesterday so I was watching the news coverage and I was struck by how little the news organizations knew about what was happening and they were trying to find some witnesses to talk to to inform the public now I believe that the public shares the feeling that there's a legitimate public need to know about these tragedies my first choice if I were the King and I could decide how tragedies were covered my first choice is that there would be some kind of a standard where there's no photos no photos of the of the witnesses no photos of the aftermath no photos of the crime scene no photos of the even the location and certainly no photos of the the perpetrator

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perpetrator so my first choice is that the news is covered because it's a legitimate public concern but that we take all of the the energy out of it and don't have any photos and don't name the shooter but still deal with it as seriously as possible just don't make it excitement my second choice because I think that's is probably a practical my second choice would be that we do the best job we can we meaning anybody involved in reporting the news whether you're a pundit or a news organization or just somebody talking about it then we all do the best job so that was the spirit in which I made it I reminded people on the internet that my startup has an app called interface by when hub in which in this situation is just one of the many ways it could be used it's primarily for experts to be contacted with an immediate video call but in this case

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immediate video call but in this case and in others where there's a lot of witnesses to any kind of an event it doesn't have to be a mass shooting which is any kind of event it could be a positive effect just doesn't matter that it would be a way to get a direct connection from people who have some information that the public would like to know and they can get on the app news organizations could contact them and now the app allows you to set your own price to take a call for an application like this where there's a mass shooting et cetera I would expect the normal way people would use it is they would set the price as zero so the normal situation and I'd be surprised if it worked in the other way is somebody would either set their prices zero or if they didn't news organizations for example might say well I don't want to pay money because it doesn't feel right in this situation and then they wouldn't and then nothing would happen but they'd have the option now my expectation is

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have the option now my expectation is that if anybody was a witness they would probably want to get the word out police was gonna have trouble finding everybody etc if I were talking to this person on the app I'd say have you talked to the place if you had anything that was useful for the police most people are witnesses but they don't really have anything this you for the police I'd say 99% of them don't really have a you know a direct view but they would still have a story that the public has an interest and I would say a legitimate interest here so that's that would be only a second choice the third choice have had it how to cover these things would be the way it's done now which is we don't do a great job and we don't use all the tools at our disposal and we're sort of at the diversity is the big the big networks we don't hear anything directly and so that's what I was thinking so what I was thinking when I sent out the tweet is hey this would be one of those situations where this

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be one of those situations where this tool interface by went up could be an asset to get the story to the people who have a legitimate reason to hear about it this is not the first time I've done this exact thing it is the first time I got any pushback for it the first time I did it was however long ago was a few months ago when there was a helicopter that crashed on top of the building in New York City and there were lots of people in the building and I thought wouldn't it be interesting I think either I think the pilot died but there weren't any other injuries I'm not I'm not even sure if the pilot died but it was maybe one person died and I tweeted it down and I and I said if there are any witnesses you can use this app and then even people could look at it
it now how much pushback did I get for that tweet it's largely identical to this one

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tweet it's largely identical to this one none zero I don't think I mean if I miss one maybe I miss one but I think that were zero people who complained because here's why there is no political interest group that that is involved with helicopter crashes so I did exactly the same thing saying hey here's a tool that you should know about right now because right now is when it's relevant this is when you would use it right now and nobody complained but man did people complained when I did the same thing on this and by the way I do plan to do the same thing again in the future now if it's a mass shooting I might think twice just because of the pushback but the concept of reminding people that there's a tool they can use to directly connect people connect to media if they want to tell their story etc is worth reminding

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tell their story etc is worth reminding people and that's when you remind them I'm seeing number of people in the comments yelling don't apologize don't apologize well I'm getting to that I'm getting to that okay so will but I hear what you're saying so here is my entire thinking on the topic hey it doesn't look like the news is getting to me as quickly and as efficiently as it could hey I've got an app they could solve that maybe this would be a good time to remind people now people said my god Scott how can you make money off of the disasters well let me explain the typical way people would use the app for this situation remember the app is used for all kinds of situations where anybody wants to charge for their time for a video call so it could work at any situation where they want to do that usually it's just an expert but it could be used as a witness or a citizen journalist etc the typical way people would do it when the

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typical way people would do it when the when the let's say when the tragedy is fresh does they probably just be interested in getting the the word out and so I wouldn't imagine people were charged and if they did nobody has any responsibility to pay for it so there is just absolutely but I do imagine that there could be situations where there's a witness who's willing to talk but doesn't want to spend all day doing it so maybe they set the prices 0 and talk to CNN but perhaps there are lots of podcasters and you know pundits who would also like to yeah some information firsthand if that witness said you know the only way I'm working I'm gonna spend my time doing this as if I can charge them that feels legitimate to me that feels legitimate to me it doesn't feel dirty it feels like two people one one has something that would cost them their time they've already done their good service they've

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already done their good service they've helped at the tragedy they've talked to the police they've talked to CNN Fox News yes they asked so they've done their duty but they might have some more information and there might be more people wanted so is that a dirty capitalist horrible thing to make that available and to remind people that exists well many people will said so but I don't believe many of them were legitimate complaints most of the complaints fell into the category of obvious trolls which means that there are some organized some organized campaign on top of real people who are also concerned the organized people all use the same words so if you see them in my in my Twitter feed if you're trying to figure out which ones are the the organized trolls they all use the words grifter and ghoul so mostly grifter and ghoul grifter you would think that a grifter at the very

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would think that a grifter at the very least would be hiding their motives I couldn't be more obvious about what the motive is it's a tool you can use it or not use it but it's very appropriate to this situation so I don't know how I could be more clear about it so the you can tell the those are not words that I think necessarily the public would have just spontaneously all come up with on their own so it's so most of my Twitter feed is you go you Google FFF off Dilbert was never funny you unfunny c-word you're repulsive you're vile what the f is wrong with you and so almost all of them fall into one of those slots so they're all very similar let me tell you my favorite this one just came in so I printed off his profile so you can see I'm not making this up so this this gentleman had a problem with my tweet his name is Steven his last name

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tweet his name is Steven his last name is Boehner ba iter so mr. Bader had a lot to say he didn't seem happy about my tweet so mr. Bader was very unhappy I just thought I'd point that out write your own jokes it's true now here's my take on this as you know I don't live in the 2d world in the 2d world things are exactly like they look on the surface so if you live in the 2d world what you saw here is there's a horrible tragedy and there's somebody who offered something that's a commercial product in the in the midst of it therefore evil bad we must attack him so that's the 2d world but that's not actually what's happening here because as I told you if that was what was happening I would have gotten pushed back on the helicopter accident as well

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back on the helicopter accident as well I guess zero what does this about is Trump all of the pushback I'm getting is fueled by this intense hatred of Trump and therefore anybody who has ever said anything good about Trump this is about gun control and it's about people feeling helpless to be able to do something about it it's about them feeling angry because they can't do something about it and it's about them finding a target for their anger the target for their anger of course is guns and anybody who's in favor of guns which makes them think of Republicans which makes them think of Trump which makes them think of anybody who has said anything good about Trump in their lifetime which brings it to me so I called out Frank Luntz was one of the first people to do the the showboating fake outrage now if you asked anybody that I've accused a fake outrage they will deny it

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accused a fake outrage they will deny it with every ounce of their their being what is pretty obvious that is fake outrage first because there was no outrage with the helicopter accident which means it's about guns it's about guns it's about politics it's about Trump that's what it's about that's where the anger is coming from they needed a target and there I was I was a convenient target Frank Luntz decided to try to build his brand online you can put whatever ethical interpretation on that you want by calling me out in public to show how much better he is as a person Frank Luntz wanted the world to know that as a human being a moral person of goodness that he's better than me and so he tweeted to that effect that I'm a bad person it was a bad thing to do and then

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person it was a bad thing to do and then he followed it up by saying here's the only number you should call as the police if you have a tip which I agree if you have information on the crime and you're using my app what the heck is wrong with you don't use the app if you have information for the police and you haven't talked to them yet do I need to tell you that do I need to tell people to talk to the police before they sign up for an app I hope I don't I don't think there was anybody who didn't know that so when Frank showed the world that he knows that that's the first thing you do was that really about me that wasn't about me was that about the victims no that was not about the victims well in his case it probably wasn't even about Trump it was about displaying his goodness in a relationship to my horrible badness now the funniest trolls are the people who don't realize that the only reason

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who don't realize that the only reason they know that this tragedy happened is because they saw on a 4:00 a news platform every person who knows there was a Gilroy tragedy shooting all of them they all heard it from a news organization that charges money in a sense because they make money on advertising you know the more customers who consume them the more they can charge for advertising so there's no such thing in our world as a news platform that isn't making money they all cover it because it gets clicks against eyeballs etc so if you give them a pass and come after this additional tool simply a tool that can be used to gather the information that everybody wants in a little more efficient way that's all it is it's a tool to gather some information in an efficient way if you're complaining about one of the

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you're complaining about one of the tools but not the major ones if you're complaining about the the one percent and not the 99 percent well you don't really have a credible complaint what you have is what I would call sort of a lifestyle entertainment complaint the fake outrage is outrage that feels good to the person who has it the people who express their rage of me are enjoying it and it's pretty obvious because there are a lot of things they could have spent their time on I don't think that they think the world is a better place by insulting me I don't think they think well I'll go make the world a better place all I'll save those victims all I'll comfort the the people in pain knows none of that I mean they had those options every one of the people who spent some time coming after me with their fake outrage on behalf of other people every one of them could have been doing something useful instead

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have been doing something useful instead they kind of they could have started a GoFundMe for the victims they could have found out how to donate money they could have you know gotten involved with I don't know whatever they thought would make the problem better but instead they chose the only thing makes them as bad as they imagine I am how many people who came to my Twitter feed to simply call me names I mean vulgar names I'm not offended because I'm a public figure and I get called vulgar names every five seconds but so just thought so it's not about me but just talking about the people who took time to go insult me personally now there were some people who were who expressed great disappointment with the action I would say that's a reasonable thing to say I think it's fairly reasonable to somebody look for somebody who doesn't have all the information to look at this situation and say wait you

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look at this situation and say wait you know short of having all the information I'm bothered by this action if somebody says that I'm gonna listen to him I don't mind somebody criticizing an activity or a decision you know part of the way you learn how to do things better is by you listen to people say hey you did this thing it looks like a pretty dumb idea to me maybe you should do something differently next time I generally like that kind of feedback I kind of I kind of liked it but the people who just came to literally insult me to make me feel bad what is their claim to a moral a higher moral plane what I did was make available a tool that people could use for no charge and there's there's no potential income for me and by the way just the size it the way interface by when hat works is if people charge which I wouldn't expect them to do in this situation but if they did and they charged cash instead of the

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did and they charged cash instead of the cryptocurrency we take a 20 percent cut anything and so if you imagine that the worldwide greatest amount of money that when when hub could have paid if everything went the way I imagined it could have and a few people use the app what do you think would be my total potential best case revenue somewhere in the five to ten dollar range five to ten dollars in all likelihood that would be the most it could make and then only in the most unusual situation which is the person who who was on there wanted to charge for it because I wouldn't expect that I would expect they would say no obscenities here oh I just want to tell my story but they could if they wanted to so I wonder if if the talk of socialism has ruined an entire generation of people who don't

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generation of people who don't understand that the news is a for-profit business do you imagine that the news is not for profit the people who said that nobody should make a profit on disaster literally watched the for-profit news to learn about it so I don't think there's a lot of consistency going on but I'm typically not the person who criticizes people for hypocrisy cuz that's that's a weak claim that the hypocrisy claim is just the weakest comeback the only reason I mention it is because the more realistic framing of what's happening is that people are angry about the shooting and they need they need an outlet for that and since they're already worked up about politics they see me and they say oh wait a minute I think he's associated with that guy we don't law like whose orange so let's all let's all pile on him here's an interesting thing in the

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him here's an interesting thing in the context of Oh so let me make sure that I got my major things covered here all right so here's a few more things people are going to treat this as a gun problem and you could certainly imagine you know you could imagine it being a gun problem but as conservatives will say it's not about the guns it's about the people well in this case I think that's more true than in other other situations I think in this case this is just classic mental illness and we do have a massive mental illness problem it's the problem with our cities it's the problem with Los Angeles and the homelessness as dr. drew so effectively described the other day on periscope and he's described on national media as well recently that we think there's a homelessness problem but it's really a mental health and drug addiction problem likewise these mass

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addiction problem likewise these mass shootings and probably this one I assume we're going to find out there's a young man who had some mental health challenges and while if you could stop all guns you know maybe that would reduce the amount of this it's probably more productive to see this as a mental health problem I think that would be more productive and I saw a statistic somebody said that I think it was around 95 percent of mass shooters at least the recent ones have no father figure so something like I think it was 95 percent or 97 percent or something like that I have no father figure and so the implication of that is people say well it must be that having no father leads to mass shooter situations to which I say maybe maybe you know if the correlation is that strong you have to you have to take it seriously but you

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you have to take it seriously but you have to ask more questions here's here's the question you have to ask why is the father gone well the father might be gone because the father had some mental problems of his own and if the father had some mental problems and yeah they're often genetic and got passed on you wouldn't expect the mother to want to stay with the man with mental problems so there might be a correlation that is very well established but it might not be exactly the way you think it is it might not be the lack of parents or the lack of a father specifically it might be that if you have a defective father let's say he's got a mental problem the odds of passing that on to a child are pretty good pretty good now on top of that having a tougher situation because you probably have less money maybe you get teased more and you don't have anybody to help

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more and you don't have anybody to help you through the teasing and that sort of thing the bullying especially so I could see how it could work both ways there could be some correlation without causation but I could definitely see there could be some causation I just don't know how to tease out you know what percent is one so at the same time we're watching this interesting situation play out with Elijah Cummings in Baltimore so of course the president is being taken out of context and is his critics who want to be mad and they want to exhibit fake outrage because as you know it feels good that fake outrage feels good they are legitimately claiming that the president uses the word infestation to refer to people now of course it didn't take long for somebody to produce videos of Obama referring to crime infestation in the inner cities so turns out it's just a word people use because it's the

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just a word people use because it's the right word and most of the outrage in the fake outrage especially seem to Center on the fact that the president was calling people vermin but he wasn't he was calling the vermin perman he was calling yet the actual insects and rats the problem and he was on the side of the people saying that they should be serves better that's what he said of course the critics turn it in to me called them rats and vermin here's where I'm going with this so after my provocative tweet and the the pushback how many people do you think called me a maggot so that's the funny play on words so maga from Agra make America great again when people see it they say haha I will call you a maggot and they call all the people who support the president maggots how many times have you seen that on social media where where the Trump

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social media where where the Trump supporters are literally compared to maggots all the time almost every day I would say I probably see it every day now is that acceptable no but it's not you know it's certainly far worse than what the President did which is worse calling everybody who voted for the president or supports him literally a maggot or the president says those poor people should not have so many rats and and insects around can somebody do something about that please which one of those is the bad one I don't even think that's close is it seems like that's not even close to me all right
[Music] by the way speaking of tragedies the next time there is a let's say earthquake or a hurricane there's

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earthquake or a hurricane there's another app that when hub makes that I probably will tweet about because again it's completely useful in that situation it's the other app is called approach it allows you to find people so let's say you want to find several family members who got separated you just send a link from the app to the family members you know just anybody you have their phone number or you could send it by email to and anybody who clicks the link you can see each other on the map and then you can find each other now would it be ghoulish of me to remind the public during one of those disasters that this is a tool and again I make 0 it's a free app it doesn't cost anything to use would it be ghoulish for me to tell people there's a useful application I don't know but I guess I'll find out because I probably will tweet that so it is my it will be my process to tweet the applications usefulness when there's

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the applications usefulness when there's a situation that it's useful and I know people complain but it's still useful do you know the gell-mann effect is called the gell-mann amnesia effect now the gala man amnesia effect I've talked about it before it refers to the fact that if you happen to be an expert on a specific topic and then you see the news cover that topic you can tell because you're an expert that they got it all wrong but you also know that the regular public can't tell to them it looks real you just happen to be an expert so you can tell it's wrong now that's also true if the news does the story about you yes so this happens to me a lot to be a lot of news coverage about me and I can tell when it's wrong watch the fake news that gets produced about me in the next 24 hours now I already got a contact from The Daily Beast somebody at the Daily Beast asked for a contact on Twitter today I did not comply because I'm not going to

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did not comply because I'm not going to do an interview from The Daily Beast but I think I can depend on The Daily Beast to write a fake news story with just full of errors they will describe the app wrong they'll say they'll probably say I make money from advertising on the app which I don't but will they come will they complain about this periscope because they should right I'm doing the periscope talking about the tragedy and when this periscope gets downloaded it will eventually make it onto YouTube and it would be monetized along with every other person who was talking about the news so why is nobody complaining about my periscope no reason there's no reason it's exactly the same situation there's an entire industry of people who depend on clicks and eyeballs and attention who profit from tragedies if I had a vote it would all go away including my you know

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would all go away including my you know my part of it you know keep in mind that for when this specific application of hearing news from you know an event either good or bad event that application is trivially small it doesn't make any difference to me financially none doesn't make any difference to the company even if it were used a lot for that it would still be so small it would be vanishingly trivially under $100 of value probably in a year so but but that's the one that people decided to complain about and not all the ones that that that are making real money so somebody's asking in the comments so why promote it the reason that I mention it during the exact time that people would most likely find value in it is that's when people would find value that's exactly when they need to know about it so I'm letting people who might want that information then people might want to provide it know that they exist and

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to provide it know that they exist and there's a way to connect and by the way the the app allows the connection to be anonymous so there may be situations where people want to report stuff but don't want anybody to know who they are because knowing no personal information is exchanged alright let's talk about the 48-hour rule I'm the creator of the 48-hour rule and it says this if somebody says something in public or even in private that is provocative and makes people very upset they have 48 hours to clarify or apologize or both now if it's if if there's just a misunderstanding then maybe a simple clarification would be in order and if somebody's actually offended then maybe an apology is in order and you know every situation is a little bit different so here's where here's my take on this situation I don't consider the people who are

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I don't consider the people who are complaining to be genuine meaning that they're they they will tell you that they are outraged what they're really doing is sort of a life it's not the real kind of outrage where you've done anything that's actually wrong it and if they saw it in context it's just a tool that the you know augments your news gathering that's already happening right and and if you imagine it I have bad intentions well there's something wrong with you what what bad intentions do I have and for those of you saying Scott you grifter you're using this to get attention for your app obviously yes that's one of the things it's not the only thing it gets attention for the app which is useful for the public that's not really a crime to inform people about something that might be useful to them so I don't

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might be useful to them so I don't apologize about telling people there's a useful tool that would be good in this situation no apology needed for that I will clarify since the tweet doesn't give a lot of information I will clarify that it was never intended that even in the best case scenario there was no scenario in which it could make money directly off of the tragedy the it doesn't work that way there wouldn't be enough traffic at most somebody would connect with a news producer and the news producer would say hey let's take it offline so it might be a you know a ten dollar phone call we might make two dollars if somebody did it you know and who knows if anybody will so that's that's my clarification now let's talk about an apology if there's anybody who is actually in the the victim group in other words people who attended the actual attended the actual Gilroy Garlic

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actual attended the actual Gilroy Garlic Festival and if they found this offensive I apologize so I apologize to anybody who was directly part of the event and the terror that happened there or any other family members who are offended now I think that there is an argument you should not be offended but since I do not intend to offend anybody and these there are people who are real victims and really affected in the most horrible ways you can imagine I don't mean to pile up so as they trying to be a decent human being as best I can if any of any people who were the legitimate victims and or associated with them family or whatever if any of them were offended by this you have my unrestricted apology certainly never intended to do that but for those of you who are trolls were just getting your rocks off on attacking me because it's

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rocks off on attacking me because it's just part of your political fun well you don't really earn an apology and you're not the offended class you're just the the outrage tourists so to the people who are just tourists and would like to come in and express their outrage no apology needed no apology offered now somebody says please move on there's nothing else happening move on to what yeah so Frank Luntz let me tell you a Franklin's story I met Frank Luntz years ago when we both coincidentally were giving a speech at some billionaires event and the billionaire event organizer put us in the same car to the airport so I was in the same car with Frank I don't think he knew who I was but I remember leaving the car

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was but I remember leaving the car thinking man that guy's I don't like that guy and it was just this weird Auto vibe that I he just seemed unlikable and we didn't have any bad interaction or anything I just you know we just had some casual just friendly how you doing sort of stuff but I came away thinking I just didn't like him which is very unusual I would I can't tell you it would be meet even name another time that's happened but it was a real strong feeling I had maybe I was seeing the future since then he and I have had a number of interactions disagreeing or ma in a professional way on Twitter and I actually have appreciated those interactions in a few cases he's offered some background or statistics that were either refuting me or at least challenged what I was saying and I always liked that stuff because it it

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always liked that stuff because it it goes after the argument go after the argument I'm all on your side but when he decided to play the moral superiority card that was a that was a little further I couldn't really go there with him so I blocked him as I blocked I don't dozens and dozens of people today so anybody who's being morally superior or is being offended for entertainment their own entertainment and I'm blocking them and most of them are I would say 60% or more probably professional trolls it looks like I got on some lists for the professional trolls as I had before all right that's about all I've got to say because the the shooting of course horrible tragedy feel bad for all the victims as I'm sure all of you do because because somebody

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all of you do because because somebody says wow you apologized not something Donald Trump ever does I disagree Trump would apologize if he had done this I think because the people offended were actually or at least potentially I haven't heard from any of them so I don't know if any of them were actually offended but potentially some of them could have been you know feel it was worsening things and nobody feels bad about that Trump doesn't apologize for things that are not actually worthy of an apology or just attacking his critics that's what the thing so the part I did not apologize for is whatever my critics are mad about on Twitter because they're those are the entertainment tourists outraged people they're not actually outraged in a in a real way so no apologies for them alright that's

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so no apologies for them alright that's about all I have to talk about cuz the whole Baltimore thing by the way look what's happening with the Baltimore thing I see people volunteering to help in a variety of ways but people don't really know what did you to help so let me make a suggestion I'm gonna throw out I'm gonna toss out a suggestion you haven't heard before and it's radical now I wouldn't suggest a radical idea to save the inner cities unless all of the normal ways that had already been expired now I have suggested I think maybe yesterday now one way would be to have some kind of a Switzerland like consulting group come in and simply run a city for a while or maybe only run the the bidding process so that the the money in the the graft can be controlled controlled without the city and any kind

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controlled without the city and any kind of potential for theft and bribery so I've suggested that maybe there's something that's not regular politics that could come in for emergency situations now I don't think that exists but we need a government in a box we need it for countries that are failing just to get them up and running and we needed in the United States for cities that are failing you need a government in a box now what I'd love to see is if the president could offer some kind of a emergency declaration option where the city can say okay we don't have to declare an emergency here but if we do we'll have some extra flexibility extra resources so if they do then the federal government could work with them to to deal with their problems in some effective way but maybe they'd have more flight civility about what policies that can bend what rules they can break that sort of thing sometimes you need to break some rules because the rules don't

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some rules because the rules don't always keep up with the changing situation on the ground so that's one way to do let me let me give you an even more radical suggestion well how about we build a city to relocate people who are failing in their existing cities failing specifically because of mental illness and drug addiction just those two things suppose you build a separate City that was just for fixing those people so let's say the housing is super cheap but you know clean and good and you know respectable so nobody nobody's treated like a prison right it's a respectable but low income low-cost kind of place now given that you're relocating people you can put it anywhere so you can put it on the cheapest land in the world you can you know ship in all of your experts with all their best ideas and resources and then it's all in one place but most importantly you would take these people

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importantly you would take these people and of their environments in which they are failing if you keep a drug addict in the inner-city the odds of them getting clean are pretty low because they're in a horrible place no resources to help them or drugs everywhere it's just the best option might as well do some drugs if you take them somewhere where they couldn't get drugs even if they tried a whole extra City somebody says Alcatraz that's actually a really good idea Alcatraz because an island would be perfect not as a prison you know you'd have to get rid of the prison but the idea of a an island where people live who have the same set of problems and can't possibly work in the normal society and city just move them now somebody says it won't work but you didn't give a reason it's there's probably enough room in these comments that you could give a reason if you wanted to somebody's saying a leper colony that's not a bad analogy the point of a leper colony is if you took

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point of a leper colony is if you took the lepers away from the normal population you could concentrate you know whatever medical help you could keep them from infecting other people and it made sense and it worked and actually worked it seems to me that we should test down some of our new technologies for building homes go be 3d printed homes could be these prefab homes etc find a cheap place in the middle of nowhere where the land cost nothing and there's access to water you know the basics and just make it really hard to get any drugs in and out of there you could probably do that so I'll even go further I think it has to happen because I think all of the other I think all of the other options for dealing with mental health and for drug addiction will be too little even if they're effective they'll be too little I think you have to relocate the people now I have a little bit of experience and not the good kind and

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experience and not the good kind and that most would be another story my stepson died less than a year ago from opioid overdose and including fentanyl which was probably the key ingredient and there was nothing you could do once he reached 18 if he didn't want treatment he didn't get it and he was surrounded by temptations and there was just nothing you could do there was no force you could put on him no no nothing it was he could not live in society the way it was organized so putting that kid he was 18 at the time putting that 18 year old in normal society doomed him he could not function it was beyond him there are tons of people in that situation they cannot function in a normal city in a normal environment so if you don't move them to

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environment so if you don't move them to a different environment you're just waiting for them to die and they made they they're probably at least some of them are going to take other people with them I know that when my stepson died I had the worst set of feelings which is of course that you know the sadness for the tragedy of course but on top of that I also knew that he wouldn't be able to hurt anybody else and he would have not intentionally he was a good kid in terms of you know he was he was not bad by Nature so but his lifestyle I guaranteed it would have hurt somebody and I think that yeah so there's there's no such thing as forced rehab at least in most states if not all you can't force somebody into rehab that has to happen now you don't necessarily need to force people if you could say we've built this nice city if you go there you're gonna have a much better time than where you are under those conditions you might be

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are under those conditions you might be able to get people to go voluntarily and maybe enough of them because you don't have to eliminate crime and mental health problems from the inner cities to make a difference you have to reduce it a lot until the existing systems can handle it at the moment they're overwhelmed too much mental health too much addiction there's no way that an inner city can function with that stuff going on and then you add immigration on top of it for an extra burden so so I say the only way this will ever get salt is is by separate cities for the addicted maybe you need yet another separate City for the people who have mental issues that they're trying to work through and that is my positive suggestion I would not I would not respect any opinions they say you can't use a tragedy to talk about things that need to get done you generally wouldn't there's one of these gun shootings there

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there's one of these gun shootings there there's always a cry for gun control and then there are other people who say how dare you bring up gun control during a tragedy because that's not giving the victims enough you know respect to let them grieve and all that stop making it political I completely disagree if the problem is this dire and the shootings are pretty darn dire if the problem is this dire you should bring it up any time and if the time you bring it up is when most people are paying attention because something just happened that's the best time to bring it up now if you happen to be opposed to gun control you don't want that side to win but from a pure rational what's good for society you know sort of generality bringing up potential solutions when everybody has the emotional let's say the emotional energy and the focus on

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the emotional energy and the focus on the problem is exactly the time to do it if that's offensive to some people I think that's still a good trade-off likewise if I've offended anybody here I don't think I need to apologize to the outraged tourists who just like to feel offended but it still was the best time to do it because next time there's a situation people might say hey I'd like to get my story out I think the public has a right to know it's it's you know there's a use for it I'll use this tool I don't think that makes the world a worse place but if you see my Twitter feed today you certainly will think it I made the world the worst place so don't be like mr. Boehner and complain before you do all the facts all right that's all for now let's see if we can put our heads together and fix these inner city

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together and fix these inner city problems we should at the very least we should be talking about tools and solutions at the very least all right I will talk to you tomorrow