Episode 597 Scott Adams Bubonic Plague, Mind Reading British Diplomats, Chat With CarpeDonktum

Date: 2019-07-14 | Duration: 40:28

Topics

Guest: @CarpeDonktum, famous meme maker meets the President Carpe shares his experiences, President trump, the White House The “regular” press annoyance with President Trump’s guests President Trump’s “presence” in the room, and his natural energy Untold prosperity versus…bubonic plague, the two sides are far apart WSJ again pushes the “fine people” HOAX in an opinion article Disappointing from such a distinguished paper

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pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom papa papa everybody come on in here welcome what a wonderful day it is a wonderful wonderful day and it's gonna get better because we got quite the periscope for you today Wow it's gonna start strong and then it's just gonna keep getting better because today we're gonna be talking to the amazing the incomparable meme maker to the president carpe Duncan um but while we're waiting for those of you to stream in before we get to that let's talk about a few other things now I noticed in the Daily Mail the former ambassador the one that got fired by Trump the former ambassador is saying that or at least there's a report they and one of his memos the ambassador reported back to his country that trumpet quote seemed to be disc discarding the Iran nuclear deal deal

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discarding the Iran nuclear deal deal for personality reasons so it's being reported that that Trump Scotch the Iran deal for personality reasons to sort of get back at Obama now this is what the now fired British ambassador told his bosses now let me ask you this how much were they paying the British ambassador the country that has a special relationship with the United States for number one having never met the president at least in a way that the president recalls remember the president fired the ambassador from Great Britain without knowing who he was maybe that's not killing it on your day job and number two did that British ambassador get all of his intelligence from watching CNN do you think that the guy who never met Trump had a good read on what the president was thinking but not

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what the president was thinking but not saying I don't think so I don't think so alright let's get ready for the best part of the day it's called the simultaneous sip and you know it's coming you know it's coming and then we're gonna break and carpe dunked them on and it starts when you pick up your glass your mug your cop could be a tankard chalice Stein maybe it's a thermos or a flask and for our men and women in uniform possibly a thermos no possibly a what do you call that canteen that's it join me now for the simultaneous sip
that's the that's the best sip of the day all right don't quite have carpet uncle on here so we're gonna wait for him to sign on carpet you need to be using a mobile app if you're not using a mobile app you won't be able to see the option for joining and let's see if

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option for joining and let's see if you're there there you are all right and with me now or at least in a moment as soon as the technology works we will be talking to carpet dunk them are you there
car good I say something else make sure we've got a good connection I am right here and this is carpe danke ei well car be Duncan those of you who may be unfamiliar with your work you are the most famous meme maker in the entire planet right now because the president how many times does the president retweeted you he has tweeted one of my videos six times six times Wow well that's that's pretty clear but I wanted to talk to you because you also had the unique well not unique but rare experience a rare experience of visiting the White House not once but twice recently can you tell

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not once but twice recently can you tell us about the first time and the first time was on July 3rd so it was right before the 4th of July I visited for about 20 to 25 minutes and were you actually in the Oval Office I was actually in the Oval Office I was there with my entire family my my wife and my four kids and I also brought along my friend Matt liberals and his mother Wow now the purpose of that visit was I checked my check my facts here because I got to visit a year ago with the president and it seemed that he uses the summer just to consolidate the people you know consolidate his base especially this online supporters did you feel that that's that was largely why he had you there just to make sure you were on his team and sort of reward you for all your good work yeah I think he had me there he wanted to meet me and he wanted to

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he wanted to meet me and he wanted to you know I say thank you I think you shared a lot of my stuff and it was kind of a get to know you kind of thing so that's what it seemed like you know there's really something quite brilliant about the way the president does this because even if you haven't yet to been invited to the White House if you're you're doing stuff online supporting him you're at least thinking to yourself hey if carpi Duncan got invited maybe if I do a little more on his behalf he'll invite me too right so it's it's really cleverly motivational isn't it didn't you feel when you left the White House that you wanted to you know do even better and do even more oh absolutely and I'm I'm sure that it gives everyone like he said on the internet I hope that one day they can do it Sam yeah he's probably more connected to his base than probably any president ever that I think that's undeniable at

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ever that I think that's undeniable at this point now here's your I have some funny questions to ask you about your first visit now tell me where you were when you first heard that you were going to be invited to be in the Oval Office talking to the most powerful man in the universe where were you when you heard
well I think it was at my house but it was I think it was after my last trip to DC and I received an email saying hey the president would like me to not not just doing Oval over or not let's do a West Wing tour but we like eat and that that was a pretty insane moment I'll bet it was but I'll bet there was even I'm just gonna guess on this so you can correct me but was there a moment when you were standing in in the Oval Office and and your your wife was there and your family and you thought to yourself remember when you you probably had a

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remember when you you probably had a private thought that was you know about your wife when you thought remember when you thought this wouldn't lead to anything yep I did have that moment and remember when you when you said stop playing around on that damn computer yeah everybody who's creative has gone through that moment if they've eventually made it that that moment where you say I told you this would work out I didn't know why but I told you this would work out now what was the what was the freakiest moment of the whole experience let's say after you got invited and you know once you reach Washington DC what was the moment that just made your head start to go uh that you were actually having this experience and it wasn't a dream well you know what was I think what was the freakiest was that you know we went to DC just for a family vacation and we knew that at some

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family vacation and we knew that at some point we were gonna go to the White House but we didn't know when and there wasn't old you know it was a very busy time for the White House so they're getting ready for the fourth of July and all that kind of stuff and so there wasn't a whole lot of communication we were just kind of waiting for an email and then you know it's getting closer and closer to the fourth and I haven't got the email yet and you don't want it you don't want to go and like emailing back and be like am I gonna Oh am I gonna go right so the whole time I'm thinking you know like something will come up and it won't work out you know Iran will do something stupid and he'll have to be in the Situation Room for three days and then we can finally get the email and then it's then everything is all all getting that so I I had exactly the same experience a year ago when I got to I got to DC and we hadn't set a time and everything but once you get to the city the world gets a vote and if the world decides to start a war well you don't get your meeting you just wanted right DC for no reason

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you just wanted right DC for no reason and I I've had situations where the headlines ruined my day quite quite often when I was on book tours and doing press starting to get bumped off an interview but you made it so you made it through yeah so set the scene for us when you walked into the Oval Office first of all who took you into the Oval Office dance dance Covino was who took me in and he is he's the social media guru he's the head of the social media stuff to tell you that I had the same experience that you had I remember you describing it where we were standing outside and just sweating to death and then we go inside and then we luckily there was you know 20-30 minutes to to stop sweating but as I was walking into the White House was like a god I hope that we don't just go straight in there because I I'm drenched in and I I don't want to go in there and just be like the

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want to go in there and just be like the stinkiest person he's ever met before we hit we had to walk like 15 extra blocks because of all the extra board off areas for the fourth so it was just crazy now what so once you get in there was he already there did you have to wait in the Oval Office when we got when he got in there we just sat on the couches there and he was not already in there he was in another room I believe he was in there with Kelly and a couple other people so it was it was it that little side room that's right off the Oval Office yes yeah that's yeah and then so he comes out and he sees you it describes that moment when he walks out and so probably somebody said you know we introduced you what was that moment like so so here here is one of the craziest things you'll probably hear there was so much packed into that that week and they

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much packed into that that week and they were all kind of you know they were all highlights of your life kind of moments I didn't even remember the first thing that he said because there were so many memorable things I couldn't keep it all in my head so luckily mad liberals was there and he remembered that as soon as Trump walked and he said where where is he where's my genius and and then dance Kamino introduced I used everyone else that's great and that new did you sit like literally in front of his desk and then talk to him and just chat so what we well there was kind of a large group I mean there was there was a there was eight of us in there plus dance you know in the photographer but he came over and he greeted my children there's a there's a photo of him and my daughter so just in front of the desk for a little bit and then he went and sat

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little bit and then he went and sat behind the desk he said hey let's take some pictures you know and so we stood behind him and took some pictures and then we just kind of stood around and asked and just talk all right and the the protocol for these sort of things is one does not say in any detail what one talked to the president about right but to is there anything that it just blew you away about let me ask you a specific question I had this experience when I went which is the Oval Office is so familiar to all of us for having seen at a million times in pictures when you were in it how did it feel to be in something that was so familiar and yet so unusual at the same time it it was a very strange feeling it felt smaller you know the Oval Office always looks so huge because you know they take widely lens pictures of it and sometimes there's a little bit of a fisheye to it and it felt weird to

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of a fisheye to it and it felt weird to be in a room that you felt was so big but it was actually smaller than you thought Trump was also there was the same effect there you see him against other leaders and a lot of the other world leaders are so short uh he seemed so tall he didn't seem nearly as tall as I thought he would be I thought you'd be towering over me but you know who's he was only maybe six inches tall okay well he was towering over me so now did you also have the experience that when you left especially after you got out of the the White House and you were on the sidewalk for the first time you had this like insane transition from being in the most important place in the universe talking to the most important person in the universe two guys standing on the sidewalk did you have that feeling III did have that feeling he was like well you know that was that was a face but you know the what when it really hit me

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you know the what when it really hit me you know I think I think what what I noticed was so I went back last hour last Thursday for the summit and I noticed that you know when Trump came out and he did his speech he walked out he really didn't he didn't greet anybody necessarily he might have chicken shake a couple hands you know and then he did his speech and he left and at that moment I thought to myself I was like so I'm invited to this this White House thing but this is that Oval Office that private meeting will will probably never happen again that was a once-in-a-lifetime experience even if I even if I get invited back to the White House I probably will never have that one-on-one or you know a couple people on one again and that was kind of that was just one of those moments that kind of changes your perception of it yeah yeah so let's talk about the the summit so you were part of the tech the tech

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you were part of the tech the tech summit and what what was your overall impression of the usefulness of it did you get a sense that that the value was there well so what I had said before the summit started you know everyone was asking what what it was going to be like and everyone was desperate for information about what it was going to look like and what I had said before was that I felt like the summit was going to be for the people attending not necessarily for the President or anyone else it felt like it was just a bringing together minds to network with each other for the future that's kind of what I felt like it was and that's that's kind of how I think it ended up it was the good speech and all that and everyone was there and he talked about censorship but really what the work of the meeting was done after before in in smaller groups in larger groups things like that one of

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larger groups things like that one of the most striking things about that meeting is you know watching the way CNN and and the critics covered it CNN called it like a Star Wars Bharathy and they were described as conspiracy theorists and right-wing bla bla bla bla and the more they insulted the group there every time I heard the insult there was another recording that would play in my voice right after the insult which would be sort of like the tag on it's like well it's a group of narrow do wells and right-wing fringe nuts and global about and then I would fill in in my own mind I'd say who kicked your ass right yeah it's a bunch of crazy right-wingers who kicked your ass especially conspiracy nuts who kicked your ass and ER are gearing up to kick your ass even harder this time so every you know the president part of his genius would you admit as they he can weaponize the the

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can weaponize the the people who otherwise would not have found any influence he found a way I think really recognized it after the fact he didn't set out to do it it just sort of formed and then he just gave an energy because it kept getting stronger and stronger so he fed the monster quite wisely did people did you get a sense from other attendees that they left with new enthusiasm we did how were how are their attitudes do you think I enjoy it everyone everyone that I talked to I think had that experience that it wasn't it was an energizing moment you know it was a it was a great honor to be invited and it was it was an amazing experience but it was I mean it was just like the meeting that I had with him before uh it made you want to do better and I and everyone was asking everyone else there you know what can we do what can we do to to make this right Wow

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to to make this right Wow and did you get any special instructions about photos was there any any guidance about what you could or could not do photograph flies first of all did you have your phone with you when you were at the Rose Garden there was there was actually there was no instructions whatsoever we were free to record we were free to take pictures all of those things we could stream a lot of people were streaming on periscope or on other platforms we were allowed to have our phones there was there was really no restrictions whatsoever okay and were there were they tell you anything about the the regular press and was the regular press asking you to pose or did they try to get pictures of you standing or talking today but regular press was annoyed by us they were annoyed by us from the moment we got there I felt a moment they were annoyed I there was one point in the Rose Garden the the press

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point in the Rose Garden the the press was really mostly not allowed into the event there was a few people that were allowed in with cameras just to record the events but like actual reporters we're nowhere to see they weren't yelling stuff out during the thing they were completely out of the room well after when we went out to the Rose Garden you know we sat down and I believe the chairs were originally meant for the press to sit down and they had been moved back behind this this white line and when President Trump came out you know he stood up to the podium and everyone stood up from their seats and once he approached the podium and and so there you know we all clapped and then the press started yelling sit down sit down sit down and really just there were just a bunch of children now you probably were close enough to hear all of the Sebastien Gorka stuff yes did you get it you had a good seat for that show

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get it you had a good seat for that show um I was I was two rows and about three people away from Sebastian and I was standing or I was sitting next to joi vila who she also got involved in the dust up later and kind of reprimanded breaths but yeah i had front-row seats for that now i heard some mocking going back and forth as i would like there was it was a two-way thing that before Gorka got involved was a carom the Playboy writer he was getting into it with some members of the the invited summit right - did that precede the the yelling so so what happened was President Trump finished his his speech and bar got up and then he finished his and then then Trump finished finished up the thing and said thank you for coming all that and then as he was leaving he wasn't taking any questions and that that guy just

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any questions and that that guy just yelled out you like your you'll take questions from these guys but you won't take questions from the real news and then I believe joy said we are the real news or something like that and you know back to him and then he started then he said his quote about how we were all demon possessed or something and that that's that's when Bork turned around and he's you call yourself a journalist and then the guy who said something about you want to you want to take this outside then he walked over is it I don't even remember what he said something about you are Punk right oh you're a punkin you are oh you're a punk is it sounds better the way he says it does that if I ever if I ever get into a pushing match that's almost going to turn into a fight I'm going to immediately start doing a Gorka impression I guess you know

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Gorka impression I guess you know especially if there are any cameras there because there are cameras are there you don't want anybody to catch you just saying yeah I'm gonna kick here you'll be sorry you ever messed with me instead I'm just gonna go you'll be sorry you poke you I would be very very excited to dance on Your Grave once why is the speedy end to your existence yes so one of the things that the Gorka understands that his critics do not understand is that he understands the value of the show oh yes it's not a it's not an accident that the president actually weighed in on Twitter I don't know a day later or whenever and he said that what did he say he said he'd been on Korca yeah I think something like that something about betting on Gorka so basically the president just just to fuel the flames does a tweet and saying

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fuel the flames does a tweet and saying he'll bet on Cork in other words if there were a fight between cork and this other guy that we're getting into it he'd been in Gorka I think the last thing that someone said was yeah someone said as Borka was leaving he either he picked your ass or something like that because the guy was still talking but the the thing that the president understands is that the humor and the show are not just add-ons that are distracting from the good work of government but they are he has integrated the humor of the show you know the you know the whole presentation is now just part of the tools of government and the president uses them like you know like a master so so watching Gorka understand the same thing I mean if you if you didn't if you weren't understanding the show you'd watch it and you'd say what's wrong with that guy why doesn't he have any impulse control why is why is Gorka sounding off

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control why is why is Gorka sounding off there must be something wrong with that Gorka but if you do understand the show you know that Gorkhas reputation increased you know that the people got a fun feeling about him just because he got into it you know they liked the fight and then the president retweets him
him Gorka had one of the best weeks you could ever have oh yeah he had a great week yeah at the same time that all of his critics who don't understand the show are saying what's wrong with that guy and part of the show is that they don't get it that's why the show you know what what was so great about that was that Borka is very familiar with who he is and he has a very special place you know he was he was formerly in the administration and I don't know that anyone else could have gotten away with standing up for us the way that he did he was the only one that would never would not have been disinvited from the White House for causing a scene like

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White House for causing a scene like that and and he used his position knowing who he was that he could actually stand up for all of us and not get in trouble for it got in trouble for it I would have gotten persona non grata at the White House if I had gone and started a fight with playboy guy the the thing I liked about it especially I liked a lot about it in terms of its entertainment value but I liked the fact that it was an unplanned situation and I was I was trying to put myself in Gorkhas hat so he's standing in the Rose Garden all the cameras in the world are on him and he hears Cara my guess is his name saying these things and there's an opening yeah and and just in a split moment he realized that that opening first of all would not happen again hey it wasn't gonna sit there waiting for him and that if he took it it was gonna be a pretty big risk just in terms of reputational risk and he jumps in takes it he doesn't even go

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jumps in takes it he doesn't even go there's somebody's saying exactly what I was gonna say in the comments you beat me to it he decides not to be timid about it he goes full Gorka yeah so that's the other funny thing is that he didn't go in and timidly he just went in full Gorka and the cameras roll and he ended up being the the primary visual take away from the event and the beauty of it is and I think he recognized this you know in in that moment I think he's I think he sized up a very complicated situation in in less of a second and part of that complicated calculation was that the other guy was always gonna look worse right because he looked really bad he did really he looked really bad and then I said - I told him that I texted him later and I said that feisty Gorka is the best Borka alright so that was fun all right were there any other takeaways from the tech summit and anything that

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from the tech summit and anything that struck you or stood out well I think that the way that I saw it and I think that the general feeling was that this was a this was a starting point not an ending point I think there will probably be more maybe smaller group meetings but there will be more meetings in the future and there just by having the meeting it was a clear sign that the administration is serious about getting this worked out before 2020 comes around and it's too late to work it out now did you feel that the real purpose of the summit was maybe not so much to listen because they probably have lots of ways to listen but more to focus energy so that the world knew that this is now a new priority to figure out what these tech platforms are doing did you feel mostly was a focus of energy yeah I thought it was I thought it was a

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yeah I thought it was I thought it was a focus and energy it was it was a clear sign that wanted to do something and then as I said before it was also for us a good networking effect you know yeah supporters from all of from all over the map and we don't necessarily meet together you know in a place and have real conversations and this was just a great opportunity that what was based on you must have had well first of all I'm imagining that you were sort of a celebrity among celebrities there were people excitedly coming up to me you know that is one of the weirdest things in the entire in in my entire life is that I had I wouldn't say it was the most popular celebrity there but I was among the most popular at least at least when people figured out who I was a lot of people don't didn't really know what I look like but I had a lot of people

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I look like but I had a lot of people coming up are you are you him are you the guy had a lot of people saying oh I'm a really big fan of your of your work so that was a very strange thing I saw Dan Bonjean oh there and I've been sort of friends with mark Dice you know who Mark DICE's for a while but I hadn't met him in person and we saw Dan bonds you know and we walked up together and I said hi I'm part by dog time and this is Mark Dyson he's like the mean guy the mean guy I love your stuff your stuff all the time I love your stuff to mark and like you know there's just uh it was a crazy moment to have things like that happened now did anybody ask you for an autograph yet
then no one no one I asked for autographs it was all all selfies you know I took a picture with you or yeah I guess people don't ask for autographs so much anymore right I'm so I'm gonna give

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much anymore right I'm so I'm gonna give you a suggestion for a meme okay you ready now everybody in the world is giving you suggestions for memes and you're allowed to say that they're crap okay all right here's a ground rules you do not need to commit that you will do any meme like this I'm just gonna be one of the millions of people who say I got an idea for me and it goes like this if you've been watching dr. drew especially he's been talking about how the LA homelessness is going to be bubonic plague any minute now if you heard that yeah wasn't he talking to set to Seth Green or something like that the other day about it yes and I yes and I've heard Greg Gutfeld was talking about it also you know quoting dr. drew so we've got apparently there the things are shaping up in LA there's literally gonna be bubonic plague and then of course there's also the ugliness at the border which visually and inhumanity wise there's terrible looking anyway the

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there's terrible looking anyway the crowding the people coming off over the border in droves etc and it seems to me that we've got this weird we have the biggest contrast I've ever seen between two sides Trump is presiding over probably the best period of both peace and prosperity we may have ever experienced he's talking about steps to eradicating you know aids in this country within X years and has an actual plan that could do that I mean you think about the goodness that's coming out of this country it's it's insane you know he's making making friends with North Korea etc and then the contrast is under the democratic preferred way of life literally bubonic plague let me think about that have you ever seen a larger difference between what's happening that you can verify and the alternative which you can also verify because these neither of those

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because these neither of those situations are are about the future they're both about right now right now one of one of these ways of doing things is producing untold prosperity and goodness and the other one is literally bubonic plague children in cages and yes I am blaming this on the other side because you know they have they have at least as much responsibility as the Republicans and would have to work with them to make anything better anyway so that's the basic setup I won't over describe it but you have an amazing situation where you have the best we've ever seen in in civilization versus literally the worst civilization has ever seen bubonic plague all right and people on the streets die so anyway so that's the set up I don't know if there's something work where you have you have you have the Star Trek The Next Generation aspirations versus going back to the 1500s when people are dying

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back to the 1500s when people are dying of plague but right yeah one is one is space force dr. drew joined if dr. drew stays on I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about this with him if I can convince them to come on dr. drew could you could you click the if you're on a mobile device could you click the little happy face icon if you'd like to talk about the LA situation which we will not call homelessness as you have as you have informed us all right carpe do you have anything else - I've got I've got two things that I would like to and I've told this to lots of reporters but they don't seem to want a report on it which is so so strange but what I what I told them was my experience in the Oval Office and I believe you described it as the same was that his energy was so calming the room when he came into the room yeah you felt you you you felt like you were you're meeting an old friend

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you were you're meeting an old friend we're not meeting the president's you were meeting just you know a guy you've known for a long time he was he was so good with Mike he was engaging it was a the conversation that we had I'm not gonna get into specifics but the conversation we had was just a conversation you would have with anyone like burn events and and how are you doing and how it was your time in DC things like that yeah I do want to share one specific moment which I've shared before we're sitting where he's sitting at the desk and we're all standing around and we've just taken a picture and my kids are standing there and he looks over at my daughters and he says do you see that you see that red button on the desk you know what that button does and you know they say no and he's like some people say that button launches a nuclear missile should I press it and then he he reaches over and he he

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then he he reaches over and he he presses it and he he does this kind of like boyish boyish in as he kind of looks around to see if anything happened and and then one of the Secret Service guys puts his finger through his ear and just says I'm right here mr. president and that's that was that was just the whole moment but it was it was hilarious that is great that's a perfect antidote to to wrap this up okay I'm gonna go see if I can catch dr. drew while he's here thank you so much carpe Noctem everybody should follow you at at carpe Noctem on twitter and we'll we'll talk to you again soon okay all right thanks Scott all right take care yeah let's see if I can get dr. drew on here dr. drew we are connecting if our technology works are you there dr. drew yes I can thank you for being yes I can hear you can you hear me I can hear you

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hear you can you hear me I can hear you you may not be able to hear me I'm square in the aftermath big outage last night okay we're at where are you physically oh we might we might not have a good enough connection dr. drew if we can't get a good connection I love to invite you back tomorrow or sometime this week to do it when we have a better connection let's try it again can you hear me a little bit better but let's try it and if we can't we'll maybe we can do it another time but so I have you say something provocative about the LA quote homelessness problem what do you say about calling it a homelessness problem yeah it looks like we're not

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problem yeah it looks like we're not gonna be able to work technology that's connected yeah technology was failing us dr. Drew I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna disconnect and maybe we can try this another day you got you got it great all right thank you so much for even attempting this all right I definitely want to have that conversation because this is really really important and you know I was just mentioning it before but the you know the the essence of it is that if we imagine that this is a if we imagine that it's a housing problem then we've misdiagnosed it and that's what we'll be talking about it's not a housing problem that's the one thing we do know how to solve the other stuff that's causing people not to be in homes we don't know how to solve that so easily so that's that's what the conversation is going to be about all right let's talk about a few other things number one The Wall Street Journal had

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number one The Wall Street Journal had another piece in which they uncritically reported that people are saying the president called neo-nazis find people in Charlottesville and I thought to myself even even the Wall Street Journal even The Wall Street Journal reports that now it was an opinion piece and it was talking about other people's you know other people's opinion but reporting that without simultaneously saying but it didn't happen is so far below the journalistic standards I would expect from the Wall Street Journal and I'm a big fan of The Wall Street Journal by the way that I think the Wall Street Journal is you know by far one of the bore maybe the most maybe the most credible news organization well let me think about that man that might be true I would say the Wall Street Journal at least in my opinion would be the most credible of all the mainstream you know big news outlets and even they stumbled

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big news outlets and even they stumbled on this fine people hoax and and reported it to their to their well reported it is too strong a word but it included in their pages was a reference to something that is a hoax without being corrected very very bad all right any other questions anybody else have anything they want to talk about otherwise I think we're about done I've got a lot of work to do and I will thank you and talk to you later