Episode 530 Scott Adams: Beto, Biden, Cuban, Healthcare, Comey, Brennan, The Border

Date: 2019-05-15 | Duration: 59:10

Topics

Beto’s cringeworthy, white privilege apologies on The View Mark Cuban doesn’t think ANY Democrat candidate has a chance The Democrat candidates would look a LOT more appealing IF… …we weren’t comparing all of them to President Trump Border news, almost none anymore, why? Did coverage stop because President was correct all along? Does border news now support the President? Confirm him? Political left has GOALS The problem is…how do you achieve those goals? The left’s failure: lack of practical SYSTEMS to achieve goals Political right uses SYSTEMS to achieve GOALS SYSTEMS of the right are processes to achieve desired goals Brennan says him and Clapper didn’t want to use Steele Dossier Brennan says Comey pushed to use it for FISA 14 year old ran a poll on whether she should kill herself 69% said yes “Heartbeat Bill” is brilliant, really strong persuasion Framing of heartbeat as a standard for life Iranian leader Khamenei says there’s NOT going to be a war Unusual for adversarial countries to flat out say…no war Who’s attacking Saudi resources if not Iran?
John Bolton is feared by Iran Adversaries that fear Bolton, make peace negotiations possible Media Matters has targeted Dave Rubin for public destruction Why? Because Dave is going to interview Mike Cernovich Media Matters has also targeted Mike for public destruction CIVIL Interactions between people you like and don’t like… …is a GOOD THING Shine sunlight of the arguments of both sides Let people hear and decide how they feel about both sides

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boom-boom-boom-boom hey everybody come on my name's Janice and MS booboo hat Andrew come on in grab a seat it's time for coffee with Scott Adams yes some of you know the theme song pum pum pum pum pum you can actually do my theme song in any order and any kind of rhythm and any kind of any kind of musicality you like it's all good and you know what else is good a simultaneous sip that's why you come you come for the simultaneous sip grab your cup your mug your jug your takers your stein your flask your thermos fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the simultaneous sip oh I love coffee when it's just the right temperature that was a good one well did all of you see the deeply embarrassing bet O'Rourke apologies on

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embarrassing bet O'Rourke apologies on the view now usually I don't like to talk about the I don't sort of a smaller issue but it was so cringe-worthy watching beto apologize for his white male privilege then I thought to myself what do the people think who supported that guy two months ago if you're a Democrat and you've been wrong about just about everything for three years yeah and I'm just saying this is just for fun there are people who were wrong about everything about Trump about whether we can elect it about how he would do after he's elected hey the economy was great didn't see that coming did you so people have been wrong about just everything for three years straight they finally get this candidate bet oh and they say huh well I've been wrong for three years straight but I got my

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three years straight but I got my candidate bet oh this Beto guy he looks pretty pretty good he's looking like he could be President two months later Oh God it happened to me again once again I have proven that I know nothing about the world and I'm a terrible judge of character does anybody say that is there anybody I wonder because I expect there's nobody who says that but shouldn't they say if you're watching it from the outside you say to yourself you know if I'd been wrong for three years straight and then I picked Beto and then I watched him go on the cringe-worthy apology tour for being himself which is about as self eliminating as anything could possibly be what I say to myself well maybe there's a pattern here the pattern seems

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there's a pattern here the pattern seems to be I'm really really bad at judging character and figuring out who to vote for and who's gonna be good but I thought that doesn't happen people being people let's talk about some more people let's talk about Mark Cuban who made headlines because he said that he doesn't think that any of the 22 or 24 hour for money Democrat candidates there are he says he doesn't think any of them have a chance against Trump now that's noteworthy because Cuban has not been terribly pro Trump he's you know he's been on both sides of things he says some good things and some bad things but it's got a notable coming for him now of course he's leaving open his options to run for president himself my expectation is that because he's smart it's not going to be 2020 if Mark Cuban runs for president in 2020 short of some

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runs for president in 2020 short of some kind of you know national drafting you know movement to draft him in and get rid of all 22 Democrats which I don't see any chance that's going to happen but sure to some miracle situation he's certainly not going to get into it into this mess because strategically you would just he would disappear in the group by 2024 he can own the group he's sort of setting the public up to expect that the worst person you could run for president is a career politician that's one of the things I loved about Cubans comment because when he says all 22 of them have no chance against Trump it is of course headline news so the headline not looking at the headline right now it's a top page of Fox News he says guess what the headline is guess what 2020 candidate Mark Cuban thinks can beat Trump right now and the answer is not so

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Trump right now and the answer is not so he's got this headline and then he frames it quite cleverly as the reason that there isn't a single Democrat who could possibly be Trump is that the public doesn't want to doesn't want a politician now that's true if meaning that part of Trump's appeal is that he he was not a traditional politician it does ignore the fact that part of Trump's appeal is everything Trump all right you can't really pick the one variable and the Trump and say well look at all things Trump it was this one variable because he wasn't a politician that's the thing it's never that and there's never one variable that explains this more complicated situation but Cuban is very clever to focus on that variable because that's what gives him a clear channel to run for president in 2024 he would like the public to be thinking in those terms now he's not wrong because if you look at the bunch

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wrong because if you look at the bunch of of Democratic candidates part of what makes them look so pathetic is two years of President Trump if we had never had a president Trump just do this mental exercise think of all the the Democratic candidates for president now imagine a world you know and it's hard like this is really hard I don't know if anybody can do this I can't do it but try to a matter there had never been a president Trump he never ran for office you'd never heard of him what would those 22 candidates look like do you know what people would be saying think about this do you know what people would be saying about the 22 Democrat candidates what would they say if there'd never been a president Trump they would say what they said about the Republican field of what 16 people who ran at the same time the Trump rant they would say it's the strongest yeah he

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would say it's the strongest yeah he somebody got there before I did that they would say it's the strongest field of candidates they'd ever seen the most qualified best group of candidates who have ever run for president true right if there had never been a president Trump you'd never heard of him he never ran for president they would say this group was the strongest bunch of candidates they'd ever seen in the history of the Republic but there is a president Trump he did run for president he did win he did have the the first part of his first term is the best term any president ever had in terms of results for the country you know there are lots of scandals and stuff but results for the country best of all time so now how did those 22 Democrats look they look terrible yeah it they look so bad individually and as a group they look so weak that their frontrunner is a 70 year old doddering guy was a little

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70 year old doddering guy was a little bit too touchy and maybe has some racist stuff in his past now I'm not saying Biden's a racist he's clearly not but he's because of his age there are always quotes he said then maybe sounded a little better back then but don't sound so good now so he's got some issues he needs to deal with but if you think about it the best they have the one who is the overwhelming favorite among that group is not really even slightly competitive with Trump he did Biden just looks like you know like I said this before if you started with Trump and removed from Trump every quality that we like about him you would have Biden that's what would be left Biden would be the part you throw away after you have to you had all the good stuff so as a match up if you're imagining Biden as a president is pretty easy to do because he was vice

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pretty easy to do because he was vice president he's got a long resume so if if there had never been a president Trump it's pretty easy to imagine a President Joe Biden but there is a president Trump and now everything Biden does will be compared to the the the Sun level I don't limit inside of Trump it's just gonna break Biden look like a doddering old man who doesn't know you know he's telling you to get off your lawn get off his lawn I mean I but something interesting happened Biden mentioned a little preview of what his health care plan will be I guess there are some details to come but what Biden teased and I mean I might have this wrong so subject this to fact-checking what what I say next is my best guess of what Biden's health care plan will look like based on what he said give it give us a great assault because he could he could change it before it's official and I may have misinterpreted it but what is

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have misinterpreted it but what is sounded like is that he wanted an option where there's a Medicare option for all but you but you maintain all the private health care insurance that already exists so you wouldn't you wouldn't break the private market he would just say for those people who don't have coverage there's a Medicare option now that's very close to the to what I had suggested in one of my periscopes which is to have the Medicare option but to make it a low-cost option not a free option so there's a low-cost health insurance that will get people in and then my idea which I suppose is not my idea is just the idea that people take to health care if you've got these competing systems you've got all the private insurance and you've got a reinvigorated Medicare where some people are paying to be on it you've got a competitive situation and the competition by drive prices lower in

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the competition by drive prices lower in a perfect world alright let's talk about the border why is it that all the news about the border just suddenly stopped why is it that we're not every day seeing pictures of caravans coming to the border did did I miss a story we're at all the the problem went away I mean I've seen little stories like TSA some TSA employees are being sent to the border to help out and yeah there's a little little video on CNN about children sleeping outside which looked horrible but for the most part is that that issue seems to be downplayed by the media am I wrong why would the media suddenly go from talking about the border non-stop to not talking about it much at all what would cause that to happen could it be that what causes less

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happen could it be that what causes less coverage of the border crisis is that President Trump was unambiguously right all along about the seriousness of getting this under control could it be that the story went from or hurting President Trump to proving that everything he's frickin said is spot-on because that's what it looked like to me it looked like the border story went from everything bad for Trump so let's get a lot of this on the air - uh-oh everything he warned us about just came true it turns out that human beings operate on incentives apparently President Trump was the only person who knew that the only person who knew that if he make it attractive to come more people will come who do that only President Trump then everybody voted for him I guess so so that story went away and what

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so so that story went away and what happened to all the poor people who are suffering at the border did their did their needs disappear did did the anti-trump press the suddenly you stopped caring did they stop caring about the people in crisis at the border or is there something going on with Mexico is Mexico doing a better job of controlling it what's going on and by the way I'd like to come back to my framing of the border situation because I think it's the best framing I've seen and the framing is instead of talking about the details the costs and the benefits which is what people do you know what's the law cost what's the benefit does it work does not work we kind of get lost in the details here's the better framing who gets to decide on immigration who gets to decide what the United States allows or doesn't allow for immigration whose decision is it

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for immigration whose decision is it that's the frame that makes sense because if we have strong border security than the decision is with the United States the citizens of the United States can decide who let in how many of them to let in in under what conditions if we don't have strong border security decisions for the United States are made by Guatemalans you we would essentially transfer our vote to Guatemala that's not that's not hyperbole is it the the citizens of the United States have a choice of maintaining the the power of the vote in terms of immigration just talking about immigration we have the option of us being in charge which would require border security because without that we're not in charge or we can transfer our control we the citizens to Guatemalans because if we don't have a border security it's up to them it's up to the cartel we actually are

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it's up to the cartel we actually are consciously deciding and this is mind-blowing isn't it the United States is having a debate and I don't think this is going too far right yeah the u.s. is having a debate about whether the decisions about how the United States is formed and what it looks like in terms of immigration are we going to decide that as US citizens or are we going to let those decisions be made by Mexican cartels and Guatemalans and other Central Americans who gets to make the decision because it's there's two parts to this one is what is decided which is of course is very important but secondly you have to back up from that before you say what is decided you have to decide who gets to make the decision that's what a system looks like let me let me broaden this
most of the problem or let's say the disagreements between the political left

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disagreements between the political left and the political right in this country are a difference between goals and systems but we don't think of it that way we should because I would say that the the political left has by far the best goals what are the goals of the political left well everybody everybody has a good chance everybody has health care you know education doesn't make you bankrupt so if you look at the goals of the Left they're the best which is one of the one of the reasons I'm proud to say that I'm left of burning so politically I call myself left and burning because the goals on the Left are really really good it's everybody's treated well there was no discrimination we've got health care and all that but here's the problem how do you do any of that stuff and he do it so when I say I'm left to Bernie I say I'm left to Bernie except I'm better at math because

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Bernie except I'm better at math because that's sort of my my count because I don't know how to get any of that stuff with just normal processes what what the people on the right to do is they don't speak in terms of goals they speak in terms of systems the Constitution is a system now a goal would be everybody's treating retreated right but you can't really get to fairness fairness is this ambiguous subjective standard but you can get to the point where we're all following the same set of rules that's as close as you can get to fair in terms of how the right sees the world so the right wants you know good laws they want capitalism they want market forces they want Constitution all of those are systems you don't know what the outcome will be you don't know how how good the GDP will be you don't know how free will be we don't know how fair the outcome will be of these systems the only thing we know

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of these systems the only thing we know with some certainty is that no one has designed better ones these are the best systems if somebody had a better system I'm sure the people on the right would at least give it a look so when you look at the border it's another one of these classic situations where the right as a system and the system is let's get these citizens of the United States in charge of the decision and then the next part of that process is once we have control of the of the border we get to decide who comes in and under what conditions that's a system what does that look like in the end is it fair I don't know is it is it better than what the the left imagine I don't know but the system is pretty solid little people on the Left have goals they don't have any way to get there I think that's obvious even Mark Cuban I think would agree with that so there you are if you start seeing this as the conservatives

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start seeing this as the conservatives have systems and systems are good but you don't know where they're going and the Democrats have goals you can see my interests I think maybe for the first time you're you're you I'm gonna connect the dots here in a moment but I have you been at all confused by the fact that I spend so much time talking to Republicans and pro Trump people interacting with them you most of you and talking about things on that side of the political divide while I unambiguously tell you that my personal leanings are far to the left of burning right does that it probably has confused people for a long time but you're starting to see why because you've got to in completes you've got these goals like look pretty good you've got these systems that look pretty good and they're not incompatible if we're realistic about it the way to achieve the goals on the Left

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the way to achieve the goals on the Left are through the systems on the right and those systems need to be improved for example take climate change the the end goal of climate change is to you know save the world and have greener sources of energy what do the Republicans say about that well they say how do you get there what's the system the system in this case is capitalism removing regulations creating in the Energy Department a way to rapidly test new nuclear fuels and very importantly allowing that nuclear energy could be a part of the solution so long as it has the right risk reward which it does it has a really good risk from the war now a generation three nuclear and an generation four so far I've had zero problems you know there have been zero nuclear incidents with generation three which is most of I

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generation three which is most of I think or all of what France asked and this is the newer versions all of the famous meltdowns you've heard of were prior generations that were by their design more dangerous or at least by the way they were operated and so you see the the Republicans going after competition market forces entrepreneurialism letting the market free using the government to stimulate rapid testing these are all systems these are all there is always to approach a problem and then you see the the Democrats say get rid of all the co2 green energy you know which is not really much of anything to say that you would like solar and wind to solve climate change is great it's a great goal nobody knows how to get there right well maybe somebody does so I don't know how yeah all right so

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so I don't know how yeah all right so that framing of systems versus goals is very important if you can imagine the president given close to election day in 2020 whoever he's running against they've got two really good issues they've got climate change and they've got health care and they're gonna ride these two issues climate change in health care because these are the two things that the president's not good at all the president has to do is come in and say here all the things we're doing competitively and with market competition here the rules changes collectively these will stimulate nuclear and other green energy stuff we're going to push all of them as hard as we can because it doesn't matter if climate change is real or not you still want as much natural gas because it's better than coal you still want as much nuclear as you can get if you do it right it doesn't matter if the president came out and said look it doesn't even

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came out and said look it doesn't even matter if I'm right or wrong about climate change we want to do exactly the same stuff we want to sell American gas we want to sell American you know nuclear technology we want to do it all and we want to do it as hard as we can and as fast as we can so long as it's safe so you don't even have to argue about this climate stuff I'm a hundred percent with you on all the stuff we should do
now that he probably wouldn't be 100% with them on the details but it would look like it it would look like he had a system it looked like he was moving aggressively the right place so the president has a clear channel like super clear there's just nothing standing in the way of the president completely owning climate change by embracing nuclear energy and other things that we want to do anyway stuff we want to do anyway health care the president has done a

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health care the president has done a poor job in my opinion of selling the things that his administration actually is doing well the Health and Human Services Group has published a fairly long list of things that the administration has done they have the collective effect of improving competition for example the recent rule change that says the pharmaceutical companies have to say their prices when they advertise that's a small thing if it were the only change you'd say well that's not a big deal by itself but there are a whole bunch of those things which collectively add visibility and allow market forces to work the president has done a poor job of touting that success when it gets closer to election again it has a clear superhighway to say here's the deal we don't know how long it will take us or what it will look like in terms of the goal of everybody having good health care but I'm gonna tell you the process

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care but I'm gonna tell you the process for getting there here's how I would describe it by the way here's the background before I was a cartoonist I worked in a big corporation doing budgets and projections and PowerPoint presentations and such so I'm sort of an expert based on experience and explaining complicated stuff to people who need to make decisions that's what I did for a living so I would look at all the budget and all the projects and I'm trying to simplify it so the people who didn't know as much about the details could say okay that I'll make that decision or that decision so I'm going to do that for healthcare here's the way here's the way I would describe or here's the way I would approach healthcare from a Republican market-based perspective I would start by educating the public and I'm gonna make up some examples that I'm gonna make up some examples don't get too caught up on the numbers I would start

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caught up on the numbers I would start by saying alright we've got how many people who are not covered with healthcare insurance and that number is something like 18% of the country and then I would say if 18% of the country does not have health insurance just wanted to buy health insurance on the on the market what would it cost and you come up with a number that's gonna be something like 800 billion dollars a year and you say to yourself okay and that doesn't work you know the the GDP of the United States is about 17 trillion the the budget of the government is around a trillion I'm using some rough numbers so you don't want to add 700 or 800 billion dollars per year to a budget that's only a trillion you basically you know you'd be increasing the budget by eighty percent so right away you say well that's that's a problem is it a fortunately another budget anyway so I assume all my numbers

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budget anyway so I assume all my numbers are wrong so I'm not gonna claim any of my numbers right but listen to the listen to the concept so the concept is if you just wanted to buy in the open market health care for the 18% or so that don't have it it would be too expensive whatever that number is don't get too caught up on it some people are saying the the budget is fortunately in the year which doesn't doesn't completely change the argument it just says that health care is not as big as the budget but it would still be way more than people want to pay so you start with that number they say okay we'd have to find eight hundred billion dollars somewhere people are either gonna have to pay more taxes or something's gonna happen and I would make you that make the various categories of where to find that eight hundred billion a year for example I would say I'm going to change all these rules and I'm gonna take a hundred billion out of the costs through better market efficiency so now

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through better market efficiency so now you were eight hundred billion looks more like 700 billion in a few years once these rules take its place then you say well all these people who were getting emergency care services somebody was paying for that before so of the 800 billion there was probably another hundred billion two hundred billion that we were paying anyway for people who were uninsured so somebody was eating that already so you trying to figure out how to recapture that because if the if the emergency rooms no longer have to work without pay they should be able to lower the costs so we should be able to find another hundred billion two hundred billion right so you start with the 800 billion and then you identify the places where you can you can take a bite out of that some of the places might be prevention some of the places might be that you develop a lower cost health care might be telemedicine might be some

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care might be telemedicine might be some kind of social coordination thing so you see you develop ways that some people optionally could have very inexpensive health care but may not have all the features so the point is that you start with the big number 800 billion you say way too expensive you say what are all the ways we can chip away at this we can develop new cheaper systems we can compete better we can take them at the amount that we're spending on emergency rooms and now that's available because everybody would have insurance and then you sort of put it all in your spreadsheet and you say these are the variables these are the only things we have to play with if if we can't figure out how to get these costs down it just won't make sense but we'll build a system that can address each of these levels of costs so we'll do things that help startups and entrepreneurs will get rid of restrictions we don't need will increase competition

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competition I think you could make a story that says on day one we can't afford universal health care insurance but you could draw a timeline where you could get to it if all of these things work now so the way I would approach it as the president is trying to simplify the story into a few categories of costs that have to be attacked directly and I'd say if we can't get this this and this this cost down we just can't afford it afford insurance here are the things I'm doing to try to get those costs down and we think that in ten years we're gonna look pretty good something like that all right I'm noting with great entertainment and apparently there's gonna be some fighting infighting between Comey and Brennan about who did or said what about the steel dossier whose decision was it to include this in you know as the the basis of the Russian investigation and the FISA warrants and

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investigation and the FISA warrants and all that gets a little complicated but the fun part is that it looks like clapper Brennan and Comey are all in the barrel and those three may be fighting about to see which one of them looks like looks like the worst of the bunch so there's that let's talk about I saw something horrible in the news it was an Instagram user a 16 year old and Malaysia I think who did an online poll on Instagram about whether she should kill herself in her online poll by 69 percent voted that she should kill herself was she fourteen and then then she killed herself so she actually held an online poll about whether she should commit suicide and it was 69 percent said yes that's one of the worst things you'll ever hear in your life but it tells you the power of the internet and

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tells you the power of the internet and however much power you think the Internet has probably has more than that it does seem to me that murder by internet might become a crime if it's not already so it makes me wonder let's say if you had somebody who was really persuasive how hard would it be to kill somebody using nothing but the Internet to convince them to do it themselves oh or taking Vince somebody else to do it I mean if you look at the news you see you see that people like me are being identified by the news industry and social media as someone that it's okay to punch so I think murder by internet is the real thing let me put it this way with my skill set for persuasion if I actually wanted to kill somebody by internet I think I could do

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somebody by internet I think I could do it I wouldn't do it I don't recommend anybody try but I think it's a real thing I think you could murder somebody by internet if you had the right set of skills and you selected the right target and you use the right technique I think I think all the the elements are in place to make that crime completely practical wouldn't work every time but I would think it would work too much so I don't know what we do with that because it brings into question the whole free will and free speech questions what if somebody determined that they could kill people fairly easily by internet would it become illegal if all they were doing is talking I don't know it's interesting question a horrible question all right let's talk about the heartbeat bill so some of the southern countries southern southern states are

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countries southern southern states are introducing these so-called heartbeat bills and the ideas that they would define the life of the fetus as starting when the heart B starts now as you know I recuse myself from the question of abortion in terms of what the law should be the reason I do that is that I prefer that women have a majority or were they the primary decision-making on that question because no matter where it ends up a lot of people are going to be unhappy and so under those conditions I fall to the best system the best system is that women are the primary voice for deciding what the laws are and then once women have decided by some majority I will back them so I just want to be supportive of the majority of women on abortion so do not assume that you're seeing something about my own opinion here because I'm recusing myself but from a persuasion perspective the

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from a persuasion perspective the heartbeat bill is really brilliant I gotta say from just a persuasion perspective the heartbeat bill is that's really strong persuasion here's why the current abortion rules as I understand them subject to your fact-checking is that the standard is whether the fetus can survive outside the mother and there is certainly you can see why they would have that standard because that's a practical standard that is something that you could sort of have some scientific backing for but it's never a clean clean decision because science gets better all the time and where's that lie so that's the way it's been based on surviving building but the people who were pro-life very cleverly came up with this heartbeat idea now the first thing they did this brilliant is I assume that they intentionally got that

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assume that they intentionally got that name heartbeat bill into our minds now once it's in your mind and you're comparing these two standards of whether something is a human being was alive just think about these two standards one if science has determined that roughly speaking it could survive outside the womb but that level is changing all the time all right that's the current standard sort of it's pretty pretty fuzzy and probable you can see compare that to does they have a heartbeat yes or no I'm assuming the question of whether has a heartbeat is unambiguous or certainly a lot closer to being unambiguous now what makes that brilliant and again I'm not giving you an opinion I'm not giving you my opinion on abortion laws I recuse myself so I'm just talking through the persuasion part of it what's brilliant about that is that our our understanding of what it

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that our our understanding of what it means to be alive is very much heartbeat related so at the end of your life if your heart stops pretty much every human being would have the same interpretation if your heart stopped you're dead if your heart is still beating well now it's ambiguous you could be brain dead but we would still keep you alive subject to you know large conversations and even some people would say keeps them alive even if the brain is dead but we but you agree on the point that we are very primed as a species to think that a heartbeat is the definition of whether you're alive or dead it's traditionally scientifically it's very this is very say universal standard so what's brilliant about these moves by the southern states is that moving the conversation from viability to heartbeat is really really really

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to heartbeat is really really really really strong persuasion whether or not it works we'll see but I would be you know I wouldn't be amazed if this framing doesn't change how people think of the whole situation so we'll see what these Supreme Court does cuz all this stuff will end up in the Supreme Court I will tell you that there is some thinking and I'm a member of that but I'm reconsidering this view but at the moment I have the view that any state that makes abortion illegal
through these heartbeat bills or some other mechanism is going to suffer economically and that that should be enough to talk most states and I'm doing it so I would not be surprised if there were a number of southern states who end up with restrictive abortion bills and other states do not and that overtime if you were to measure the economic

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you were to measure the economic progress of each of those states the ones who have the restrictive laws will attract less entrepreneurial people attract fewer big corporations attract fewer employees so somebody says no their population will be better I don't know if their population will be better but what we could say for sure is that big corporations are going to think twice before going there imagine if you will if Apple Computer were looking for a new state to move to imagine if it's Google imagine if it's Amazon imagine any of the big tech companies looking to move into a state and build a facility there which of the big tech companies could move to Georgia knew which of the big companies could move to Alabama not right I don't believe there's any large tech company that could move any kind of

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tech company that could move any kind of operation into one of the abortion states if if we end up with a situation where some states banned abortions I don't think so I think that the big corporations that are American corporations will say it's just not on the list we're not even going to consider it now somebody's saying what about Hobby Lobby and what about companies that move there because they prefer that situation maybe there might be some offsets but I would imagine I would imagine there are very few people who will move someplace to restrict their own rights I think that's the thing people will make a decision to give themselves more rights but people rarely will go where where it's just restricting their own rights that's not a reason to move all right let's see what else we got

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it's all the fun stuff for today so let's see if there's any new news today's we'll have more to talk about and disagree if somebody says they move is usually just an expansion using people already there well I'm saying that big companies do make decisions about where to move facilities and and the big tech companies will definitely not move to one of those states it's just not going to happen so so there you are all right Joe Scarborough said Trump looks 20 years younger than some Democrats yeah there there's your contrast problem your contrast problem is that the Trump people are going to be surprised that Trump just looks more interesting and better and more competent and now even more experienced more experienced than this competition

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more experienced than this competition all right riots in Iran is that true the riots in Iran because that would be interesting oh there is something interesting about ran so I think how many I don't know how to pronounce his name the Ayatollah Iranian Ayatollah when addressing the you know the increase in tensions the Ayatollah said that there won't be a war now that's very interesting isn't it because are you used to countries when they're having tensions they say stuff like every option is on the table you know if they do this we will respond aggressively isn't that the normal way that countries who are adversaries talk to each other but Khomeini said don't worry about a war because there's not gonna be one isn't that interesting now of course you somebody

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interesting now of course you somebody says stop ignoring Spygate I just talked about Spygate you must be late so isn't it interesting that Iran their leader would say there's not going to be war that tells me that Iran really really doesn't love war because if they thought there was any chance of war and they and they thought that there was any any chance that they might get into on any chance that they might want one they would use different language one thing wouldn't they say you better stay away we will make you pay they'd say you know if you start a war with us we will destroy your assets in the Middle East whatever but to say there won't be a war just like flat-out no there won't be a war it's interesting because the only way there could be or is if Iran started it because I don't see a scenario in

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it because I don't see a scenario in which the United States starts a war with Iran so rad actually has the power to say no there won't be a war because we're not going to fight so you don't have to worry about it if we don't fight there's no war because they're not going to just you know invade which is true so who knows if anything this Iran says is true who knows what is persuasion and whether they say different things so there locally that they say in English who knows all those things are our questions but while I'm watching this develop the two questions that are not answered is who is it who is attacking these Saudi resources and why aren't we at least wondering if it's around you know are we as far as I know we moved our military assets based on what do you have an answer question the u.s. just moved out a whole bunch of military assets into the Middle

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bunch of military assets into the Middle East to respond to Iran and Iran did what allegedly they did something now how do you feel about the fact that the military of your country just staged itself to be ready for a war a war and and you don't even know why think about that you've never even been offered a reason yeah there's some intelligence there's something happening and we hear we hear that it's bad and Iran is behind it and they're doing something but what what is it are we gonna start a war without knowing why I don't think so yeah somebody saying Israel gave us Intel I'm sure that's true yeah I'm sure it is real is giving us Intel about Iran and vice-versa but I think it's about time for the citizens

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think it's about time for the citizens to find out what the hell's going on and I'm not sure that I would be too happy with trust us it's a secret would you would you support war under the condition that it was started for reasons that we can't tell you I wouldn't there's not the slightest chance I would support a war with no reasons given because there are secret reasons so that's where we are now now I also am not worried about President Trump starting a war because he's not inclined to do that he's ready it's positioning it's persuasion that's negotiation so it makes sense to move our assets there because it is shows that we're taking everything seriously it reminds them what the risks are so it's it's good persuasion but I would say the risk of war with Iran because both sides aggressively don't want that yeah the joint the John Bolton thing is

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yeah the joint the John Bolton thing is interesting because I think the president benefits by having Donald to be bad cop so I think Trump does well with the bad cop on the team Bolton was the best bad cop you ever had the president can be trusted I think to to use his own instincts to to cancel that out people are saying that Bolton will be gone but I think Bolton is useful because he scares the pants off the the other side as long as bolt goes there Iran does believe that they have in a military threat the day that Bolton leaves Iran is gonna say oh well maybe not so dangerous after all let's get a little adventurous so I don't think you should assume that even if everything you believe about Bolton is true I don't think you should assume that the administration would be more effective

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administration would be more effective with that because his his utility is very obvious you know first of all he knows about the area second of all he's very predictable which in this case is an advantage and thirdly we know that Trump's instincts are literally the opposite and of all people in the world Trump is the least likely to be influenced by somebody else's opinion can you think of anybody less likely to be influenced by John Bolton's opinion than president Trump he literally if you were to invent a person who would ignore John Bolton if you had to write a movie script in which there was a character who was the only character who was best suited to ignore everything Bolton says it would be chomp he would be exactly the character you would invent to ignore John Bolton so I'm not too worried about the Bolton effect I think he's positive he's a positive variable that fits together well with Trump they make a they make a scary but

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Trump they make a they make a scary but reasonable team I could be wrong about that and that would be terrible but I think I think they're a good team at the moment
bad cop went too far with Venezuela debacle well you don't see us moving troops into Venezuela dia so the president's instincts have so far been have been ones you can trust all right that's all I got for now yeah oh yes the Hungarian leader meets with Trump you're reminding me of Dave Rubin getting problems from media matters so Media Matters is going after dave rubin for baring to have an upcoming interview with mike Serna Mitch so media matters as you know is an organization which targets conservatives or anybody associated with that side and

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or anybody associated with that side and targets them for public destruction and there they've targeted Mike sort of itch now they've they've targeted Dave Rubin because he's gonna answer too much on his show or already had him on and and and then you had prompted me about the president Trump beating with the Hungarian prime minister who was far right and people criticized him for all kinds of stuff here here's my declaration which I've said before and I will say again my brand and I'll let other people speak for themselves you know Dave Rubin can speak for himself obviously the president can speak for himself obviously everybody can speak for themselves but I'll just tell you my view don't freaking tell me who I can talk to huh don't tell me who I couldn't beat with don't tell me who I can interview I reject the stupidity of that

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interview I reject the stupidity of that system completely don't tell me that I adopt every bad decision everybody ever made because I had coffee with them don't tell me that I can't talk to a human being in the United States or anywhere in the world for any frickin reason I won't don't tell me I can't talk to a serial killer don't tell me I can't talk to anybody of any ethnic group don't tell me I can't talk to black lives matter don't tell me I can't talk to aunty file don't tell me I can't talk to the worst person in the world don't tell me I can't talk to somebody who committed a crime ten years ago don't tell me I can't talk to somebody who said something that offends you even if it offends me don't even freaking try to limit my right to free association secondly if you think that

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association secondly if you think that there are good people meeting with bad people let's say Media Matters believes that dave rubin in their view is slightly more virtuous than mike cirrage why would you limit their contact because by your own point of view mike sir image would become a better person if he if he spent time with dave rubin it this is this would be a Media Matters opinion not my personality right every time somebody that you think has bad opinions or is a bad character it has a significant contact with somebody that you like slightly better I think you should be happy about that let me ask you this do you think that the the leader of Hungary is influencing president Trump no not do you think it's more likely that the leader of Hungary will start to adopt any of president Trump's mannerisms or ways probably because Trump is a person who influences

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because Trump is a person who influences other people he's not really the person who gets influenced you know you'd be the other side argues differently but that's my opinion so I would say you should encourage interaction between people that you that you dislike because of their opinions and people you do like that can only be good if there are opinions that you find objective objective objectionable how about putting them in the light if the sunlight doesn't kill the ideas well maybe you should rethink you're feeling about those ideas and most importantly I don't want to live in a world where where were crucifying each other for what somebody did or did not say on social media if you look at the attacks against Mike Serta and you look at the headlines you know like the the teaser or the bullet point you'll say to yourself my god he did that or he

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say to yourself my god he did that or he said that that sounds terrible and then you look at the actual context and you go well that's not exactly what the headline said this is this is a more nuanced situation this does not look at all the way it was represented in the in the summary or the headline so I don't think we want to live in a world where we're picking through this cat of our enemies and looking for that you know that little morsel that we can attack them with for something they said or did on social media years ago it just isn't the world I want to live in so to give you matters I would say you are a vile and despicable force doing some of the worst things that anybody could do in our free society which is discouraging freedom of association it's one of the worst things that you could do in this country I would say it's equivalent to racism in terms of badness I'd say it's equivalent to stealing if I'm just gonna

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equivalent to stealing if I'm just gonna rate it in terms of how corrosive it is and negative is I'd say it's as bad as the sex crime I would say it's in that level of despicable 'ti trying to tell people who they can associate with crucifying people for things that they don't even believe themselves anymore things that people did which they themselves would consider a mistake is that what you do you want to do you want to blame somebody forever for an opinion they used to hold but no longer hold seriously Media Matters that's the world you want to live in I don't want to live in that world stop making my world worse for whatever reason you think you want to do that so anyway that's my that's my take on it if anybody comes after you for your associations you should aggressively fight back about the concept it's the concept and you should make it very clear that your association

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make it very clear that your association with whoever somebody doesn't like should make that person the better person because you're a better person if you believe that's true I believe that's true if you put me in a room with anybody that you disagree with what is the likely outcome when we leave the room is the likely outcome that I will have turned toward the dark side or is the likely outcomes that I will have had some positive influence on the person you didn't like who was sitting in the room with me I think you know the answer I don't make people worse that's sorted not what I do I don't spend time with people and then they leave the room as worse people that doesn't happen nor did they influence me to be worse I don't believe that's ever happened so if you if you like a world in which free association is still a thing people can improve people can change the minds

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improve people can change the minds people can grow people can get over their mistakes if you want that world then you don't want to Media Matters world but if you want to live in a corrupt despicable disgusting little sewer of a civilization then Media Matters shows you the way to get there alright that's all for now and I will talk to you later