Episode 518 Scott Adams: Facebook Bans, Biden Lie Tally

Date: 2019-05-04 | Duration: 52:47

Topics

Anti-Trumper’s are running out of “A” material Comey’s Dilbert-level complaint about his former boss NYT labeled me the successful leader of movement to kill HOAX “Fine People” HOAX is fading away Social Media companies banning people Why were they banned? Social media platforms have become a defacto public utility Social media is an integral part of life in today’s world
Hate speech…who gets to decide, private companies? Each company has a bias, that’s normal, expected President Trump needs to push for a social media censorship solution “Amnesty day” for social media people that have been banned? “Social Media Court” to try and legally judge banning people? Biden lies, how many will be discovered before a lie-count begins? What would happen if the entire news industry went away? No safe-guard function of the press? Russian Collusion HOAX…the media gave us that “Fine People” HOAX…the media gave us that Media organizations just attempted a coup Everything the media tells us, is spin or lies National media today… …is just a manipulation tool by people with agendas

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pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pop that's right the little pomp and circumstance is because the situation calls for tea you have stumbled upon or possibly plotted to join coffee with Scott Adams I'm Scott Adams and all you need is a cup or glass or stein there's some kind of a container a thermos flask a tankard if you will fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee join me now for the silence I guess I can't even talk yet simultaneous sip oh yeah that's good seven well let's talk about all the news seems like way back in 2016 people were saying the president was crazy it was a crazy guy he was literally mentally incompetent he was a Russian puppet he was going to destroy the economy we're gonna have a meltdown

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the economy we're gonna have a meltdown of the economy and a nuclear war but the dumbest thing Hugh saying is that the Obama administration had spied on this administration spied I say well turns out they Spyder turns out there's no nuclear war and it turns out the economy is doing great and Isis is largely defeated on the battleground at least things are going well and I I like to every now and then I like to call out new low points for the other side the anti-trump errs they're sort of rubbing end of the a material you know the a material the you're gonna ruin the economy start a nuclear war he's crazy Russian puppet that's the a material here's here's what they're left with you can judge whether this is B material CD put your own judgement on it this is a quote from Comey about Trump

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this is a quote from Comey about Trump he eats your soul in small bites he eats your soul in small bites is that a material that's not a material I don't think it is do you know who else eats your soul in small bites your boss yeah your boss maybe not intentionally but your bosses eating your soul and small bites probably do you know anybody who once made a world-famous comic strip based primarily upon the theme that your boss eats your soul in small bites that's right we went from Trump is gonna blow up the world destroyed the economy put everybody in concentration camps probably too well he sort of reminds me of dilbert's boss he seems to be eating our souls in small pieces mmm that's it

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our souls in small pieces mmm that's it we're done that's all you got because you don't have a material anymore yeah I believe that eating your soul in small bites probably is not word for word from a Dilbert comic but it's quite suggestive of I've certainly done the number of comics well laughs let me let me Google one I gotta go too Dilbert calm yeah I'm gonna Google you look for a soul all right how many comics do I have about your soul being eaten Network quite a few page after page more than I can even count so at least at least Comey is upgraded is material to you at Dilbert comic level so that's good so another big success today for for the world and this was going to dovetail

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world and this was going to dovetail dovetail into my conversation about social media censorship so we'll get to that I know that's what you want to talk about we'll get to that and I tweeted it this morning so the Wall Street Journal had they makes standed opinion piece in which i was called out and featured in the article for successfully defeating with help of lots of people not alone but they called me out a sort of a leader in the movement to destroy the fine people that Charlottesville honks and declared it successful now I think successful is probably more than I would claim what I would clearly claim is that the competing version of reality the real one what actually happened now comes up in search search results it's likely that somebody's going to challenge somebody if they say it in public that wasn't true before and it's

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public that wasn't true before and it's likely that if you researched it yourself you would you would see the truth instead of the the fake version so I ask you this was it valuable to have me on social media and again it's not me I'm using myself as a proxy for everybody who did tremendous work on this you know there were people who took big risks and did a lot of stuff Joe Steve Cortes carpe Noctem and a number of people who helped who are anonymous but they helped on Wikipedia for example this was an amazing amazing thing and I I think that most of you thought this couldn't be done most of the comments I was getting from the very beginning were along the lines of Scott Scott Scott you're just being Don Quixote you cannot change this and by the way we're not even sure if you're right

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right but it did change it again not me but the those of us who were fighting this cause did change it so this gets us to the people BAM done folks on Facebook question as you know I have been holding my fire because of the fog or on day one when you're hearing people get banned from the social media platform your first instinct is dammit you know freedom of speech they can't do that but I said to myself either cleverly or not cleverly you be you'd be the judge we're gonna find out more about this and I don't want to jump in and put my let's say put my credibility paired with any people who for their own reasons got kicked off of social media because you you run the risk that you become the

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you run the risk that you become the person who defended Farrakhan right so so it's very easy for you to be person like me it's very easy for them to para be in the headlines and attach me to whatever badness any one of them allegedly did the people who were banned and so I waited and this is specifically what I was waiting for I wanted to wait to see if we learned why they were banned because I feel like it makes a difference doesn't it make a difference why they were banned don't you want to hear the reasoning and you know here's here's our rule here's what the person did and this is what we judged now you could agree with it or disagree with it but you certainly have to hear it right because I would feel differently if they banned a pedophile for example there's no suggestion that well I think I think my love has been accused of that but you want to find out what they're banned for because it does

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what they're banned for because it does make a difference you know if you think it doesn't I your commitment to complete free speech but we don't really live in that world I also have a real problem with forcing a private company to change their business model for the few let me give you an example Disney creates content that's family-friendly so does Disney discriminate against writers and actors and directors who would like to make an engineer movie yes they do Disney discriminates blatantly and in public and legally as far as I know because that's not their product their product is something that's the whole family will feel comfortable with so they distribute it like crazy against anybody who would do something that's not along those lines you know even if somebody was a the best gifted director

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somebody was a the best gifted director of child movies ever but they also happen to be in the KKK well Disney would say yeah that doesn't work with our brand so the the general concept that a company can decide what their brand is is very important you can't take that away from a private company unless they're discriminating in one of the ways that we recognize us as discrimination so now again I'm not getting to my conclusion yet so wait for the conclusion I'm just giving you the the pros and the cons now I know that a lot of you were hectoring me yesterday and saying Scott you've got a quote get in the game let's fight this fight let's pick up our our pitchforks and torches and storm the castle all of these social media giants somebody's saying it's a bad analogy it's not an analogy it's an example the it's an example of the

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example the it's an example of the general concept that a company should have some freedom to define what its brand is you're either the adult brand the kid brand the g-rated brand the r-rated brand those are decisions that companies should be able to control now when you're saying it's a bad analogy I'm not saying it's the same I'm not saying that a a platform for public communication which the social medias are I'm not saying that's the same as Disney I'm just saying that companies in general should have some freedom to define what their what their brand is so these are all the factors they're not deciding factors by themselves and so the next question is is there a slippery slope in play in other words is there something about this you know group ban you know they did a bunch of them at the same time is there something about it that suggests it will just keep going

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that suggests it will just keep going and my first reaction was maybe not you know maybe there's nothing special about it but I'll have to listen to the reasons because if each of these people had done something that was specific and recent I'd say oh okay this is not really a slippery slope what they're doing is like nobody you know very few people are going to do whatever that was but we did not hear that and Paul Joseph Watson for example I haven't heard anybody even really suggests why he did James Woods we'll talk about him in a second but the level of things we know about don't quite make sense in terms of at least the whole group of people who were who or a band some of them are a little more obvious than others and so I'm just trying to you know sorted out waiting for the information and I've waited long enough now to give you some

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waited long enough now to give you some opinions and also a way forward the first opinion is that this event is large enough meaning that Facebook packaged up the people that they were banning to a large enough and visible enough thing then it can no longer be ignored okay so the first big change is you can't really just go forward business as usual anymore it is now no longer just a few people got banned we wish they hadn't we wish they had it's not that anymore he's now transitioned into a national decision we have to decide what the future looks like in terms to have the public relates to these social media platforms and I would say that the social media forms failed they failed as hard as you can fail to take care of it themselves because the social media platforms are so successful they've they have become a

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so successful they've they have become a de facto public utility meaning that you can't really have a business without a social media presence you can't be a media you know you can't be a writer or you can't you can't really succeed in the normal business of life without a social media presence so we're no longer in a situation where it's just and this is probably where you were getting ahead of me and saying this is not like Disney because you can quit Disney you don't have to watch a Disney movie it's pretty easy to avoid them if you want to but you can't really avoid social media if you want to have a real life with real humans and business and make money and all the things that people like to do so had the social medias company has done the this minimum thing I would have said okay they're there they can handle this on their own the minimum thing would have been to say either with a permission to the people who were kicked off maybe you need that

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who were kicked off maybe you need that to say look if the people who were kicked off give us permission we'll tell you exactly what rule they violated but it's otherwise it's a private situation now let's say James Wood says yes I give permission then I'd love to see the argument and we saw one tweet we did see one tweet that we think was suspicious suspicious were that's the wrong word it was the one that got James Wood kicked off we think but I'm still in the fog of war so I'm not convinced that's the one thing that that went into the decision so I'm not going to claim that as fact yet it's just something that's floating around out there and apparently what he said was hashtag hanging them all in reference to a tweet about discovering that the Russian collusion thing was really a conspiracy by various deep state people and he said hang them all now
now is that hate speech well it's really

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is that hate speech well it's really kind of a gray area if I'm gonna be if I'm gonna be honest it's a little bit gray now my understanding is that the quote comes from the movie if you understood that it came from the movie you might see it differently it's like oh he's a movie guy he's making him movie phrase hanging them all doesn't mean literally violence it means let the justice system do what it does so if you use your critical thinking and especially if you know who James Woods is do you know his IQ by the way do do most of you know James Woods IQ it's sort of like off the chart right isn't he's not an average person he's not average in a lot of ways he's crazy smart like it's like 160 or something crazy right 181 somebody said yeah it's like it's not just genius it's like whatever is the level above Jesus right

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whatever is the level above Jesus right so if you know who James Woods is that helps you interpret things he says so you're gonna say okay if a genius said it
it maybe we repurpose this as the the smart version not the dumb version because the dumb version of hanging them all would be oh yeah guess it ropes you know gather up the Democrats right that would be the dumb version if you thought James Woods was dumb you might think that's what he meant if you happen to know his IQ is roughly double half of the people on this periscope if you knew that you would say okay he's not suggesting Civil War because that would be dumb maybe it's some clever a little quote oh yeah look it up there it is it's just a movie reference he's just talking hyperbole he's a fan that the president who talks in hyperbolic ways he's he's you similar personality it's a little hyperbole it means nothing but here's

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hyperbole it means nothing but here's the ears the gray area so you and I know who he is we know you know maybe you're more familiar if he talks so you don't take it as anything dangerous but suppose you didn't know anything about James Woods except that he was a trump supporter and I think that would describe most of the world right most of the world is not some expert on James Woods they know he makes movies they know he says stuff about Trump it's probably all they know and so if he says something that looks to them it looks to them like he's suggesting literal violence against one side of the political aisle you can imagine that that looks like a speech so but this the larger question is this who gets to decide I would have been perfectly happy with the social media companies handling business themselves I would have no problem with that I I

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would have no problem with that I I would say do it yourself but because of your special role in society where you're now a public requirement for a or Mille life to be on social media you do need to explain it that you need to explain it in a way that isn't just BS you know it would not be sufficient in the case of James Woods for somebody to just send them an email that says well here's our rule here's your tweet because a reasonable person could look at that and say I don't see it I'm looking at your rule I'm looking at his tweet I know he meant it in sort of a movie hyperbole way you didn't get this one right so what do you do whose job is it there's no government entity right it's not my job sort of up to Twitter and then Facebook as a different situation because that the people that got kicked off at Facebook they all have their own individual stories you know

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stories you know so Infowars doesn't really have something in common with paul mellon who doesn't have anything in common with milo for at least the things you're saying and the reasons we're getting kicked off you have to look at them as all individuals so so you say to yourself alright what can be done what can be done about this situation where there's it it does look like the companies have a legitimate business reason to want to show some let's say to use Jack Dorsey's word to keep healthy conversations I like healthy conversations what's not to like about that but you imagine there's an easy way to get there there's one thing I can tell you for sure if there were an easy way to solve this the smartest people in the world would have figured it out by now right the people managing and working for social media companies some of the smartest people in the world that would have figured this out if it was easy to

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have figured this out if it was easy to figure out and it's it's it's a deceptive and seductive for us to imagine we know the easy solution so if they're not using that easy solution well they must be up to something bad here and let me let me give you an example let's say they just said we won't ban anybody everybody can do whatever they want what would happen to their business model eventually it would corrode until it was so hard to be on social media you would see somebody not see references that you just eventually would say I just I can't even be around this stuff it would destroy the room their model and the world would not be better off if social media went away some argue it would but I think we're past that point so I can't really just let anybody do whatever they want they're there they do have to have for the good of society somebody says you totally disagree but I think I know what you're gonna say and

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think I know what you're gonna say and I'll try to I'll try to represent your argument the one who said I totally disagree so if you have completely unfiltered everybody sees everything it would ruin the experience for the rest of us it is a private business they have some right to have a quality product and I haven't destroyed by Nazis so just letting anybody do anything you end up with pedophile and God knows what so you can't really do that you have to have some standard but who gets to decide if you let the companies decide then you're a victim of their bias or just as bad assume to bias because right now the if you take Jack Dorsey's view there they're going after behavior only that's you know that's the corporate line we're going after behavior only it's not about what you're saying it's how you behave and I

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saying it's how you behave and I actually think that that's true at least in terms of they really are intending to do that and they're really putting effort to make sure that what they're doing is going after behavior I think that's genuine and the fact that they want to do that but it's almost impossible because somebody ultimately is gonna have to decide did this cross a line that's not across the line and if the people deciding are known and even self-identified as left-leaning it's never gonna work in the minds of and the psychology of and even in the reality of people who don't identify as leading left they're always going to think they're being left out so that's not a that's not a stable situation even if it let's say hypothetically even if the social media companies did in fact only deal with behavior and they really could somehow achieve this somewhat impossible

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somehow achieve this somewhat impossible standard because we're human beings making human judgments but even if they could do it it still wouldn't be a stable situation because nobody would believe they're doing it so if you think it's easy for these social media companies to solve this you haven't you haven't thought it down to the next level no I also said to myself hey why can't you just put a feature in there this is something I've said before just a filter and if somebody wants to see everything they can turn it on and if they don't want to see the first off the things that are more controversial they could just turn it off and I said to myself how could that be hard it couldn't possibly be hard to have these same people simply flagged as potentially dangerous and then people like me can say I'd like to see potentially dangerous stuff on the side it's up to me I'll block them individually if I have a problem but that wouldn't be fair because there has

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that wouldn't be fair because there has to be a default and you couldn't default it to every you know every church-going person being exposed to these horrible things the moment they log on so you probably default it to blocking out the worst people unless you change the option that's not good because the people like Alex Jones if you assume this is a free speech thing and I'm not I'm not defending anything yeah Center will set but as a free speech thing if if the day you sign down to Twitter for the first time the option was turned off to see Alex Jones how many people would even know to go click it on not many so if you had a filter so people could choose to see the bad stuff or choose not to it would have to default to not does that's the safe place and in other words the user interface would almost guarantee that 95% of the world never

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guarantee that 95% of the world never saw these people which would essentially ruin their business model so you can't add a feature or a filter because there's no way to make it fair you can't ban everybody and you can't have a rule where where the company makes decisions so what's left all of the obvious ways to deal with this absolutely don't work in very obvious ways they don't work so you only have choices of things that don't work what do you do I have a suggestion my suggestion is this create a social media court that's actually part of the regular justice system now I don't know what it would take an act of Congress executive order cabinet level stuff I don't know what it looks like but just imagine if you will there's actual court with real judges and they handle situations like this and so Paul Joseph Watson would say I

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and so Paul Joseph Watson would say I got kicked off of this social social media platform here are their own internal rules here here's my body of work including the latest one that got me triggered am i on or off then you let this court which we can imagine it be fairly transparent I think would have to be transparent you'd want you'd want all those court cases to be somewhat public and that people can see what happened and then if an external court and maybe it's more than one person so that you've got you know a nexus of you know left and right leading people just have them decide there can't be that many cases that are this high-level right so there's that the other the other thing that I've suggested is color coding tweets right now if you look at your Twitter feed they're all the same

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Twitter feed they're all the same background color in this case I've got the the black turn done but if I were looking at the tweets I would like some of them to be a slightly different shade and those that slightly different shade would tell me oh these are all the Alex Jones things or where these are the ones that people have determined are too edgy and then once I saw that they're in my feed and that they're always they're always highlighted then if I had a button that I could turn those off it would be like turned off highlighted dangerous tweets then I would first see them but I could very quickly and easily say okay I see what see where things are getting filtered I don't want to do that but again somebody's going to decide who's in that filter or not and that's going to make a huge difference about how much traffic they get it's going to affect their real life and and this is a public platform so you

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this is a public platform so you probably still need this external court so I would say this the the social media companies have created a situation which in which they either and they either need to be fully transparent especially on these big visibility cases or regulating it so there's no longer we don't have the option of ignoring it anymore right now times of talking my last point together with my current one people wanted me to dive in this you know and joining the boycotts or whatever we're doing and you know retweet the things that got people kicked off the platform if we all do it blah blah blah but I really wanted to understand this one it's so that what I did would make a difference the last thing you want is for me to get kicked off of social media can we agree that I'm more useful if I'm on platform that if are not would you

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on platform that if are not would you agree that that's just a common-sense statement you you watched me try to do something useful with the with the fine people hoax and if I had not been on social media I could not have helped in that effort you watch me trying to persuade people to understand that the nuclear option is the only way to solve climate change or even if there's not a problem with climate change it's still the only thing you should be doing or you should put pushing hard it's not the only thing so I would say that you can't judge everybody who's participating in this question about the bearing the same I am a special case and my special case is number one I can talk to anybody so I can talk to black lives matter I can talk to anybody we've got kicked off of social media I can talk to anybody that's my brand I can talk to anybody I'm not going to take on their I don't take on their views if I talk to them I don't take on I'm not supporting them if

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don't take on I'm not supporting them if I talk to them most of you sort of need to stay on the team I don't need to do that my value is I can talk to anybody and I can cross I can cross political boundaries whenever the science or the common sense says to do that so you don't want me to get kicked off of social media if you like the things I can do with it but I would say we're beyond the point where this could be ignored we're at the point where the president doesn't need to act the president does need to put pressure on this for a solution I don't want the president to describe the solution but I think he needs to put a bill good big old foot on this and just and just keep pushing on it until we have a real solution let me offer you a suggestion I would like to see a universal what do you call it what do you call it when you

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you call it what do you call it when you give people a get-out-of-jail-free card a pardon what's the other word for it's not a pardon it's something like that so I'd like to see a one-day mass pardon in which all of the people who have been blocked on social media except for there might be a few cases that are just so bad that you can't let them off but the people like Alex Jones and Paul Joseph wants to the center people who have just done you know ordinary angry things what if you just said we're gonna start today we're gonna be more clear about our rules we're gonna put every one of you people on there you're all warned in you know you've got like a yellow flag there so we're watching you but embassy thank you amnesty assort so I think social media and this is something that the president could could promote you know you could just say we should have an amnesty day you know it's a June first just pick a day and say this should be

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just pick a day and say this should be social media clemency somebody says clemency pardon embassy it's one of those words let's say MC pardon yeah he's amnesty anyway it's one of those things commute the sentence but I wouldn't I don't think I would have this amnesty day from social media where everybody gets to go back on unless you also paired that with a with a new level of clarity about what's okay and what is it
it I use periscope and one of the features that I just told you I use periscope while you're watching me on periscope not my best moment but let me finish this point you've seen on this that it has a feature where if you say something that I guess the algorithm or somebody or something catches it will ask you the viewers whether something unacceptable is happening and then you can flag it and I don't know exactly what happens

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and I don't know exactly what happens but if enough of you flag it then I think I think my connection gets caught and my experience has been that that works but I'm sure it doesn't work every time so there may be a refinements on that but I kind of liked having the public decide what's too far there's something okay about that and I think you know how okay that is depends on how many people have to flag it before it's bad enough to be blocked if 5% of the people can flag something and block it I would say that's worse not better if more than 50% say something should be banned then I started thinking well if over half of the people watching this think it should be banned you know it's hard to get over half of the country to be agree on anything if half of the people watching this think it should be banned maybe the right but maybe it mean

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banned maybe the right but maybe it mean needs to be 75% or maybe it needs to be 90% that's something that could be played with all right I thought the Facebook including Farrakhan in their group of people who were being banned was brilliant PR to the of Wells evil might be evil but it's really smart because if Facebook had banned the group a band except for Farrakhan then they would be wide open for hey you're only banning conservatives so they throw Farrakhan in there because he's the single name that has been asked to be banned by the write more often than anybody I I think I think more people have asked Facebook and the social media to pay an Farrakhan than anybody else who's associated with the left now the funny thing is that the Washington Post reported this and they decided to label Farrakhan as far-right

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decided to label Farrakhan as far-right they're so used to racists you know labeling Grace's on the far right that when they saw that you know they saw a Farrakhan they were like well it must be from you must be far-right this is not the case and they corrected that but it was quite brilliant in not necessarily a good way but it was brilliant for them to include Farrakhan in the bunch because it really does takes a lot of power and in the argument so I would like to see the social media people say we've upgraded our process let me put it in even simpler terms I'd like to see any one of the social media platforms that has this banning problem so it's mostly twitter facebook instagram I'd like to see one of them say look we're gonna try something new this is this our new revised rules we've made them easier maybe they simplify them let's just say

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maybe they simplify them let's just say this let's just say Twitter takes their pages and pages of rules and they simplify it down to a few bullet points that is pretty easy to understand and at the same time they say we're gonna give everybody in the amnesty it doesn't matter how bad you were maybe maybe a few are still too bad but you're all back here's the new rules and if you violate these you're going to be gone in a heartbeat I'd be ok with at least trying that and if it didn't work well then maybe you just got to bring in the government you know maybe the government just has to put his big old fat foot on social media and then that's you don't want that if you could avoid it so I'm very much in favor of the process that all tech companies use which is rapid experimentation so I would be completely happy if Facebook or Twitter said we don't know how to fix this because first of all that would strike me as honest and I think I think Jack says that I think Zuckerberg says

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Jack says that I think Zuckerberg says that not in so many words that this is no easy this is not an easy problem if any of you have an idea you know stop sitting on it because nobody else has an idea this is smartest people in the world working on this right so the only thing you can kind of do is try a few things and see how it works out so I would try first turning those regulations into some simple bullet points do an amnesty and say let's try again let's just try again and if if alex jones gets kicked off again in you know five days because the simplified rules you violated again hypothetically well at least we'd have more transparency wouldn't we that'd be a situation where i could look at those bullet points I can look at Alex Jones got kicked off I pathetically and just say okay does that look right because I think the social media companies are legitimately responsive to their customers and if and if half of the people looked at this and said uh no I'm

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people looked at this and said uh no I'm looking at the rules I'm looking at what he did I'm not seeing it well then maybe you do need some kind of an external judge it doesn't have to be the law Facebook could simply hire external moderators what do you call those what do you call the people who are not in the legal system but they help negotiate things they're the why can't I think of words today somebody help me with that word it's the word where you're don't use lawyers necessarily but your your contract says you negotiate it outside of the contract damn it why can't I think in that word mediators yeah mediators exactly so I think they could they could appoint mediators and say we'll take ourselves out of the decision kick it to the mediators the mediators will look at our simplified rules and they'll see if once again you violated them or not I'd be happy with that keeps the government out of it all right that's enough on that apparently so

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that's enough on that apparently so we're seeing of course all the opposition reporting on Biden now it's all coming out and apparently he lied at one point in the past it's the distant past but he lied and said he had three college degrees turns out he has one he said he was in graduated than the top of his law school so I guess his leagoo degree would be the second degree so I guess I'm confused about the story itself but he claimed he was in the top half of his class but he was actually pretty close to the bottom so now people are gonna start revealing his lies and of course he lied about the fine people hoax as a Wall Street Journal and most of the major publications have reported now so I wonder is anybody gonna start the like ount of Biden versus Trump when how many lives does Biden have to tell before he

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lives does Biden have to tell before he gets a fact check counter for his lies and it gets interesting because you know how it's been widely reported that the president crossed 10,000 lies well there was an article in Market Watch where somebody took I think that the most recent 50 alleged lies that the president told and looked at the fact jack to see as the fact jack was accurate guess how much of the fact jack was inaccurate about 25 percent so about 25 percent of the things that are documented as lies by the president at least in the recent batches of them 25 percent of them if you dig in it's either not a lie or it looks like it only because it's out of context or it's true enough that it was sort of a jump ball you know something that well you could have gone either way that's sort of true I can see how you would say it wouldn't be so

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how you would say it wouldn't be so about a quarter of all the lies are just fake news and this leads me to my next provocative thought I'm going to talk I'm gonna toss out an idea that's gonna break your brains all right so all I'll ask is that you don't let your first impression get too firm right your first impression is going to be a massive rejection of the fur the next thing I'm going to say just just let it don't let it sink in too hard don't let your first impression be your last impression on the following topic what would happen with the world if the news the industry the professional news industry completely went away
okay now you're having a first impression and your first impression is probably like oh you can't do that that would be you would have nobody as the safeguard of the press you would

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as the safeguard of the press you would have the the government would just be helpless but I mean the public would be helpless to the government because it would be nobody checking the government that's your first impression right let me ask you this who was it who gave you the Russia collusion hoax it was the media did that help you or hurt you who was it who gave you the charlottesville fine people hoax that was the media who was it who said they're fact-checking and 25% of them are just made up that's you know it was a wing of the the media now let me ask you this what would happen to step into the gap if if professional news organizations were the real reporters and stuff what if they all went away what would replace it if anything well you if the industry went away it would be replaced with other people

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would be replaced with other people trying to do the same work but let's let's just say it was social media what if you reached a point where the only things you could learn about the news you heard on social media from somebody who was there so if there was a story about a riot somewhere and somebody attended it they could just do a social media post and use the right hashtag you could just you just call it a hashtag news so that anybody who saw an event or they have some insight where they did a little digging on their own just hashtag it and then if you want to watch the news you just go to the hashtags and it would just look exactly like the news now you'd have to pick through does this person look believable versus this person but you would have competing stories so that would help you at least sort of noon now you're probably already moving a little bit from your first impression that you couldn't possibly have a successful society without a

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have a successful society without a professional news organization but you're starting to think oh my god everything the news is told this is a lie because you know what everything the news tells you is a lie now I don't mean it's a lie in terms of the facts it's always a lie in terms of the spin we don't have anything like objective news organizations everybody's on the team so if they're on a team can you trust any of the news not really you can't trust any to do this because even when they get the facts correct they can change the context they can put it in the narrative they want the press doesn't report the news they manufacture it and they've been manufacturing for a long time somebody mentioned Mike sort of itch in the comments if you haven't seen his film hoaxed which is available on venmo it's one of the best things I've seen in years as an entertainment

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seen in years as an entertainment vehicle the last last fifteen minutes a hoaxed mike sandwiches film is just some of the most mind-blowing ly great stuff that I've seen a long time it's like just one of the great pieces of media and entertainment but it's very educational and will change your mind so you have a look at that yeah so if you take all the news that's being manufactured by the by the CIA you take the fact that the news media and this I don't think this is any kind of an exaggeration the existing news media just tried to overthrow the government of the United States do we need more of that would we be better off if there were no news because all the news is fake so think about it the news organizations may have just because you

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organizations may have just because you know other events happening in society it's entirely possible that the news profession went from you know having its flaws but unambiguously good for the world you know whose flaws and all but unambiguously good on the average yes I'm sorry I said venmo for the hoax movie I'm getting all my words wrong I meant video VI Meo so if you want to see like sort of which is hoax movie go to Vimeo V I am yo and look for hoaxed the word and you you will be happy you did
so just just think about that think about whether the news is a positive force on average of course there are warts or at or is it at the moment actually just a brainwashing technology run by unscrupulous people I would say

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run by unscrupulous people I would say the best description of the news business today and I'm not I'm not talking about local news that's local news is probably just news but the the national stuff and the political stuff is really just a manipulation tool run by people who have agendas so we can no longer put up with the social media platforms having no transparency because they are our last hope against the enemy of the people which is at least the political news reporting organizations are illegitimate and probably need to be they probably need to be completely replaced abidance NDL it had three undergrad degrees but he only had one with two majors yeah that sounds right

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alright so what do we do about it what do you do about the fact that social media has has kicked these people off well the only thing you could do is push for specific solutions if all you're doing is bitching about it you're not really helping if all you're doing is complaining you're not really helping if you're taking a goal versus a systems approach doesn't really help what I mean by that is a goal would be to not kick people off who shouldn't get kicked off that would be a goal but goals are not very good if you don't know how to get there a system would be hey let's have an independent arbitrator let's be more transparent that would be a system let's boil down our complicated rules into simple bullet points and manage to the simple ones that would be a system so if the social media companies are not iterating systems that I think the

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iterating systems that I think the government has to be persuaded to move in now not quickly I don't think you should be move in with the big boot but I don't think there's an option anymore the two options are we we see the social media people rapidly iterating and telling us that's what they're doing because if they tell us that's what they're doing we're going to be more understanding right they say look we know this is difficult let's try this for a while to see if it works let's let's try it amnesty that would be part of the system and then let's run it through the new system and see if we get the same result or a better result if they're not talking to us in those terms and then showing us that something is happening I don't think we can support the social media companies not being regulated by the government so that's where I'm at Trump is watching this I'm sure the the level of social media activity will have a big bearing on whether he X let's say decisively or

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on whether he X let's say decisively or just talks about it you know I and I think one thing that Trump could do would be to suggest something specific and you could say we're going to regulate you if we don't see something from the social media companies in three months whatever it is you know whatever is the right amount of time just say we're watching you and if in three months we don't see something that looks like you're iterating toward better solutions even if they don't work I'm completely forgiving of trying something for the first time and it doesn't quite work just try something new you know keep doing so if they're doing that I think the government could back off but probably at a very minimum they need to run a new system do an amnesty and see if the same people get kicked off at the same amount of time see if the new system makes a difference alright that's all I've got for today I think or another system would be to

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think or another system would be to label the dangerous people better so that people have more options about who they watch alright that is all for today I'm going to go do something else and we'll talk to you later [Music]