Episode 513 Scott Adams: Barr, Biden, Bullsh*t, Nuclear Power, Jobs

Date: 2019-05-01 | Duration: 1:23:36

Topics

Challenging true believers in the “fine people” HOAX Read the transcript of President’s words out loud Triggers cognitive dissonance, they won’t be able to read it Summaries are NEVER as detailed as the underlying data Summaries NEVER capture the nuances of the details Can the President be indicted for doing his job? Physicist Murray Gell-Mann’s observation On topics where he’s an expert… …he noticed the media doesn’t understand the topic Monroe Doctrine and Venezuela Tucker Carlson poses a fascinating question Has intervention by the US ever worked out well? “Government in a Box” concept Target country must request the setup Country creation teams set up a functioning government Safe exit strategy for country leaders for sake of progress Joe Biden asked if he has a campaign slogan Nope, he says he doesn’t have one On the fly he said…”Make America Moral Again” …the acronym is MAMA, nice one Joe! “Sleepy Joe” label controls Biden’s actions To counter, he’s forced to present himself as high energy Mis-speaking is a natural consequence of that forcing The “HOAX Funnel” process Muslim Brotherhood being considered for terrorist designation Pushback is that they aren’t ALL terrorists or sympathizers Shouldn’t those that aren’t…condemn those that are? Press has been telling TWO LIES persistently “Fine People” HOAX “Russian Collusion” HOAX The most dangerous political lies in our countries history? What’s the intent of President Trump’s supposed “lying”? What OUTCOME is President Trump attempting to achieve? “Salesperson Lies” for a clear and positive purpose for U.S. Economy lies…literally make the economy better ISIS lies…hyperbole about how defeated they are? ISIS can’t recruit if people believe it wouldn’t end well Older nuclear technology dangers US has mostly Gen 1, France has mostly Gen 3 designs Gen 3 now has long history and no issues with it to date Does the potential of Gen 4 exceed Gen 3? What ARE the upper limits of wind and solar’s potential?

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bump bump bump bump bump bump um cent add in some new instruments so that my theme song has a little more character drums hey everybody come on in Tyler and now Fonz oh and baby and null hypothesis that's a funny name for your parents to give you no hypothesis well I'm glad you're all here because you know what time it is it's time for coffee with Scott Adams and it's time for the simultaneous up and all you need is a cup or a mug or gloves some kind of tankard or Stein or chalice perhaps a thermos fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure that I call the simultaneous scent mmm oh all right I have a question which has been bugging me all night and I can't wait to ask you so I'll be looking at the comments for your your answers so on Twitter I presented a

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answers so on Twitter I presented a challenge it's a psychological challenge and something you can do at home and I'm wondering if it sorry I'm wondering if any of you have done it yet and the challenge is to find somebody who believes the charlottesville fine people hoax someone who believes the believes that the president actually called the neo-nazis in Charlottesville fine people find somebody who believes that's absolutely true and then show them the transcript but here's the key part ask them to read the transcript the specific sentence in which Trump said I condemn totally the neo-nazis and the whites nationals and my hypothesis is that if you ask somebody to actually read it aloud to you that they won't be able to do it and when I say they won't be able to do it I don't mean that they'll be weasels and they'll they'll change the topic or

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and they'll they'll change the topic or though or they'll simply claim it's not true those would be sort of normal normal s things you that my hypothesis is that they actually physically can't do it let me say that again the hypothesis is that somebody who is very invested in that being true will not be physically able to read it out loud and that there will be a cognitive phenomenon which as a hypnotist I've seen many times but most of you have either never seen it were never noticed it when you saw it so as a hypnotist this is a very predictable thing which like you know in a lot of different contexts I can manufacture this effect but most of you have never seen it and you'll never see a situation probably this is perfect as this so clean and simple in which you can just say all right I'm gonna I'm gonna induce intense cognitive distance I'm gonna make your world view that you

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I'm gonna make your world view that you think is solid and definite I'm gonna make it dissolve right in front of you and then I'm going to watch your reaction you'll never get that opportunity in the normal world but you have one so if you saw my Twitter feed you saw the transcript is there you can just print it out or show it on your phone and say to somebody I want to see just see if you could read it down loud I believe that they will look at it and they will immediately find an excuse that they're busy they will tell you that I'm not going to play your little game they will say what kind of trick you you up to they will say well this doesn't really matter because it's about something else but the hypothesis is that they would be unable to actually voice the words on the page now that doesn't mean it will work every time but I would guess something like 80 to 90 percent of the time somebody said I tried us all true all right so I'm looking in the comments for somebody who actually tried it and somebody said they

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actually tried it and somebody said they tried it and it's true it will freak you out it will freak you out to see you actually read that see the person read the sentence and then watch their eyes watch their watch their brain reboot so what you should see I'll do I'll do an impression all right so this would be somebody the first would be somebody who is not experiencing cognitive distance they still disagree with you but they they don't have any cognitive distance it's like all right I'll humor you I'll read it bla bla ba ba ba ba ba and they read it and then they would tell you why it's wrong or why they don't believe it or whatever that would not be cognitive distance cognitive dissonance would look like this but that's what it would look like you would see somebody in in a state of sort of mental confusion and panic where it would make them temporarily unable to speak so look for

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temporarily unable to speak so look for temporarily unable to speak that's your telephone cognitive distance once you see that in this controlled exercise you're gonna get closer to seeing the world the way I see it as a trained hypnotist once you're a trained hypnotist you can see people's brains rebooting where before you didn't notice it you just thought they were pausing to think or something but once you could recognize it it changes everything about the way you see the world because you'll see people getting triggered into it dealing with it and then coming out of it and it will be a completely different filter on the world all right we want to talk about I know you want to talk about the bar the bar situation now so the story is the fake news of the day is that Muller allegedly wrote a letter to Bob are saying that that Muller disagrees with how Barr summarized the report now of course the news is all

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report now of course the news is all fake because apparently there is no letter in which Muller said that he disagrees with what Barr said in other words there's no suggestion that what Barr said was inaccurate the real story which they don't quite say onceá them at least not in these words is that the real issue is that the way Bob Barr summer that left out some texture so that it would be misleading to the public it wasn't inaccurate but the public and the way the press is handling it mostly the press the press is handling in a way that didn't seem true to the underlying stuff to which I say what did you expect from a summary now I'm a writer so maybe this is just glaringly obvious to me because I quite often create summaries of larger bodies of my own work now if you create a summary of your own work

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you create a summary of your own work which I do on a routine basis as a writer does the summary capture all the goodness that you would very very much like everybody to say well no how could it how could a summary be as accurate as the underlying body of information that's what a summary is there's no such thing as a summary it has all the details of the original the original thing I mean you can imagine some special case where that might be true but with all of the complexity of the underlying stuff was there any chance that a summary could capture it as well as the author of all the underlying stuff believes should have been captured that wasn't a thing so if somebody says to you a mullah wrote a letter and he's complaining that there's oxygen in the world would that be a headline news because you'd look at yourself and say

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because you'd look at yourself and say well there's always sort of oxygen I I think oxygen is the basic quality of the world I don't know that that's news right it wouldn't be news because it's what everybody knows is the obvious reality you live in so if somebody says I don't believe that the summary captured all the nuance of the original work have they said anything is that anything because we've already seen the underlying work we don't have to wonder will you see now and of course so I turned on you know I I caught this story at the end of yesterday and really pay attention this morning I woke up and I said oh I'm gonna dig into this a little bit before my periscope and we're gonna find out what's the issue so I go to CNN and I start clicking on some links to find out what is the problem what is specifically Muller say is getting wrong not in terms

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Muller say is getting wrong not in terms of what Barr said wrong but in terms of how the way Barr said it has allowed the media to misrepresent it I guess so I guess the question is what exactly is Muller complaining about so I thought well that will be obviously in the article right if I read an article about this story it's going to tell me what specifically Muller had a problem with that Barr said wrong where the media's is getting wrong I couldn't find it did anybody find it now it might be there but it seems so hidden in the way that they're covering the story they're covering it like it's gossip they're covering it like the details of you know what it is that they're differing on if anything don't really matter they're covering it like it's a personality against a personality they're covering it like it's a team sport they're covering it like it's a he-said she-said situation or or you know one against another I couldn't even

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against another I couldn't even tell what the problem was and they seem to have they're deeply trying to to manufacture something out of nothing now of course on the other side you know so I flip over to Fox News and just to see what the the other world looks like and then the other world they're saying there's nothing here there's nothing here now as far as I can tell the closest I can get to what the issue is is about the the legal technicalities of whether there was something that would qualify as obstruction of justice there didn't seem to be any disagreement on the fact that Trump was not involved in any Russia collusion that part seems to be both sides are great but Mahler is still saying that it sounds like there may be the the the way the press is saying that the president at least the press on the right they're saying that the president is essentially

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saying that the president is essentially cleared of obstruction of justice and Muller I think this is as close as I can get to what's really happening this might be wrong so fact checking on this but I think Muller was indicating that you could maybe make a case of obstruction but that in this special case because it's a sitting president that Muller wasn't sure if there were you know that the rules against indictment etc whether that made enough of a difference and then on top of that although they're not supposed to take into account that the underlying charge the collusion wasn't true because keep in mind you can be found guilty of obstructing justice even in the situation where there was no justice to obstruct meaning that there was no crime so there was still a justice system that you could obstruct but there was no justice being lost because there was no crime that that anybody was trying to get away with so so I think the questions are something about whether

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questions are something about whether you can indict a sitting president and then the second one is whether the president just doing his normal job under the Constitution could ever be interpreted this is the Alan Dershowitz twist couldn't not twist but his explanation that could a president ever be charged with a crime for doing the ordinary things that you do in your job which is hiring and firing directing people to do things or directly not to do things so so those are the things that were that Muller apparently and I might be getting ahead of myself here so please you know bring me back if I've gone too far but it looks like Muller said yeah there are little factual things which if he were not the president that's the key if he were not the president doing the job of a president under the Constitution and if there had been a crime which there wasn't which isn't the important part and if you could indict a president

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part and if you could indict a president under those conditions you might think that this has could have gone forward as a case but given that that is he was the president and we don't indict presidents and he was just doing the normal things under a president's job it's a little too complicated for me Muller to make the call on this so I'm just going to lay out the information for the public and for the Attorney General mostly for the Attorney General and then the Attorney General decides what the public sees and then the Attorney General will handle it from there now did what I just described say that the president was cleared of obstruction no no yeah I I can't go so far into you know blind pundit Rhee that I'm gonna say that that equals cleared of obstruction but he did say there's no rush of collusion and so I'm not a lawyer I'm not well I guess I'm not a

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lawyer I'm not well I guess I'm not a judge I'm not a lawyer if you tell me citizen of the United States what we want is justice that's the main thing what we're not you know we're not a country who needs to obsess over that you know the dot the eyes and the details of stuff if it conflicts with justice if you had a choice of following the law or achieving justice and those are your only two choices if you follow the law you don't get justice but if you ignore the law you get justice which is a far higher standard which would you do you're an American and you're talking about another American citizen one of your teammates somebody on your team somebody you are tasked to protect and the law says something bad is going to happen that isn't fair but if you do something that's fair it might not be exactly technically compatible with law which one which way do you go if you're an American justice every time

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if you're an American justice every time so Mahler has made a case that on the details if you were just to ignore everything you felt about what's right if you were to ignore everything you felt about what's just if you were to ignore about everything about what's good for the good in the country if you could ignore all of those things on some technical level there might be enough stuff that you could indict could you ever could you ever get a conviction probably no I would think so can you imagine finding 12 jurors they would convict the president for doing his job and allegedly obstructing the investigation into the biggest witch hunt in history about a crime that the president alone knew he did not commit I mean he's the only one who knew for sure that there was no crime so there's no way this ever in any real world could have turned into like a court case with a conviction you could not find in any

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a conviction you could not find in any circumstance 12 jurors who would who would agree oh yeah let's convict the president who has the best economy in the world and is keeping us out of Wars let's convict him for a technical violation when he was trying to avoid a witch-hunt into something that wasn't a crime no way no frickin way but having said that was it enough with what Muller Muller found to get an invite in the indictment and if you don't know the old saying is you know you could get a hit you could get an indictment for a ham sandwich so it's really easy to get an indictment you just have to have a pretty strong suggestion that there's something worthy of talking about that's my legal explanation so when when if Muller is complaining that the public and the politicians are are over

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and the politicians are are over over-interpreting is finding that's probably true I think that's true because if you're just talking about could he get indicted if you were not a president just doing his normal job I'd say probably yes don't you think if he were not the president if he were guilty which he wasn't you know that matters in terms of how people feel about it now so much the law and if he could be indicted and all those things that were true you know probably Muller has a case so on a very technical Boy Scout according to the law I don't want my work to be misinterpreted I can say Butler would have a point it's a trivial point it's an unimportant point it's completely irrelevant to anything that will ever be the ultimate outcome of all this stuff but it's a point now if you've let me let me give you another gell-mann look on this so so

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another gell-mann look on this so so gell-mann was a physicist who famously noticed that when there was a story about physics my topic that he understood better than most of people in the world he could tell that the story was usually wrong but if he looked at a story on some other topic in which he was not an expert gell-mann that's his last name two words I think he couldn't tell but he believed the other stories even though a hundred percent of the stories that he understood their topic better than the news understood it he knew that they were wrong so he was saying okay what are the chances that these other stories are all right when the only thing I understand is always wrong so that observation should tell you what to believe all right so in this case if somebody writes a summary about something this is very similar to when there are news stories about me so I have read maybe if I had to put an

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have read maybe if I had to put an estimate I would say I've read maybe a thousand news stories about myself over 30 years of being a cartoonist of those thousand ish stories I've read about myself they're all summaries because you can't write an article about a person that you know years all of the complexity of their life that's not a thing it's always a summary how often are the summaries wrong pretty much all the time pretty much all the time now they're not wrong like necessarily a lie they're not always wrong because a fact got wrong although that's very common it's very common to have basic facts wrong maybe two-thirds of the time and but the fact is that when I see summaries of me I know they're all inaccurate in this in the way that I would want that story to be told so if coarse Muller thinks that a summary doesn't capture everything and of course he thinks the public and the

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of course he thinks the public and the press are taking it too far or taking you down in context there was no other option it was a summary there is no other option of course it doesn't capture the flavor of the original all right enough about that and as always I always caution you to wait for alan dershowitz opinion on this whole thing if alan dershowitz says that everything i just told you is a bunch of BS you should immediately change your opinion to whatever alan dershowitz says so wait for him to weigh in and that'll tell us if this is something or nothing but it feels like desperation I have we've got to find something we've been so embarrassed we've gotta find some claim now let's talk about some other things let's talk about Venezuela you know it seems to me

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about Venezuela you know it seems to me that the Monroe Doctrine is going to rule the day in that you know we can watch Venezuela as long as we need to until we don't need to but I'm pretty sure that the Monroe Doctrine meaning that the United States is going to take care of business in its own hemisphere you know whatever it takes we're gonna take care of business I think the Russians know that I think the Cubans know that I think Venezuela knows that but we're not going to do it prematurely we probably won't do it just for humanitarian reasons because there's already a humanitarian crisis obviously and as as Tucker Carlson pointed out on his show I think it was last time when has the United States ever militarily intervened in another country to fix things and it all worked out well and I'm not a historian and I

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out well and I'm not a historian and I thought to myself it's a really no example of that now I'm willing to believe that's true because I can't think of an example can any of you think of an example and it could be you know some South American country we messed with in the fifties somebody's saying South Korea no well you know you can't count conquered countries Germany and Japan Kosovo Grenada special cases Panama Panama is probably I I don't know what's the situation in Panama right now what's the situation in Grenada right now yeah so I wouldn't I wouldn't include Japan and Germany because we went to war with them because it was a war so I would not include countries where we went to war for war reasons and then we figured out what to do after the war was over that's a different situation but Grenada we actually invaded that was

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Grenada we actually invaded that was like what a eight hour war or something so I would say Grenada has to be treated as a special case because they did not have any military resistance so I don't think you can compare a country with no military to Venezuela so is there a country that had a military some people are saying Kosovo and I'm seeing other people saying that's not a good example somebody saying Liberia South Korea some are saying alright Panama some people are saying Guam somebody's asking I don't know about that Nicaragua in the early 1900s I don't know about that I'm not I'm not debunking these by the way somebody said Israel Israel is an interesting example Chile alright Argentina versus the Brits I don't know if that's appropriate Kuwait oh yeah wait Kuwait was really

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Kuwait oh yeah wait Kuwait was really not in Kuwait was not a situation of yeah maybe that's a good example although you could argue that that led to the Iraq war eventually you know indirectly all right so that's an open question I'm not a historian enough to know if we've ever intervened and gotten a good result
but then I heard so this is funny this is what I heard we don't want to intervene we don't want to intervene because the if there's any intervening it should be the countries bordering Venezuela so it's going to be far better for the United States if the United States doesn't intervene but those bordering countries maybe they get a little more involved because it's literally it's more their backyard than it is ours or literally right there to which I say where do you think they're getting their military advice and their military weapons and and their aid are we just gonna give that stuff to the

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we just gonna give that stuff to the neighboring countries to employ in Venezuela yeah it's yeah and then somebody else says our special forces are there is there any chance that we're not already there with military don't you don't you think that there's a hundred percent chance that are some form of our military probably special ops is already there I'm pretty sure we're already there do you think that our special forces are not already preparing a kill shot for Medora do you think we're not on the ground figuring out where he is at all times do you think we're not tracking they're on digital communications so that we know who's doing what everywhere do you think that there are special forces can't shine a laser on medoras office and have a missile go through his window anytime we want I'm pretty sure we're kind of ready but not with not with uniformed forces on the ground I'm sure

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uniformed forces on the ground I'm sure let's drink to that and so this brings me back to my idea that I I often bring up it seems to me that one of the things the world needs is a government in the box and by government in a box I mean a a country that has an organization within the country and I'll just use an example let's say it's Switzerland let's say Switzerland decides to form a you know a unit that might even be a commercial unit doesn't even have to work for the government that will go into a country as advisors and they will become the temporary government for let's say three years or one year or whatever it is and all they do is they go in and they set up a new form of government and they don't they're not even part of the country they're literally advisers brought in to form a government and they are actually the president so the president of the country would be just some Swiss guy that you know comes with this organization they would set up a

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this organization they would set up a government and get it working and then they would transform that government back into a local government so they would set up elections they would make sure the elections are fair you know they'd work with the government but basically it would just be government in a box and and it would come in now you would not do this unless invited so in other words it could be the way to settle a dispute where there are two sides and they can just never agree so you bring in the government in the box and the first thing that the government of the box does is they set up a a safe passage for the dictator there's always a dictator right you know all these problems end up with there's a strong person strong man strong woman in charge and that person if they lose control of their country probably going to be dead or in jail so you can never get a dictator to leave if the if the alternative is they and their family are all killed so you don't have a way to

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all killed so you don't have a way to solve problem because there's no exit strategy for the dictator so the government in a box would come and say look we've already secured an island state for you in another place or we'll set up a situation where you can have your own little area in the country and we'll just you know make sure that nobody gets out and away gets in but we'll somehow create a safe path for the dictator to get to a better end state than dead and just let them live out their life even with money you know they could live a good life just in isolation they don't have to be isolated they could have visitors and stuff but they just can't have a can't have a political influence anymore somebody says use Bitcoin yes I think there's some kind of cryptocurrency layer to this where if the if the economy is broken if you know if they just need some way to have some real some money that they can buy and sell things there might be a crypto element

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things there might be a crypto element to that I don't know enough to know that that's that that makes sense yet anyway so we need a government in a box it probably needs to be something like in Switzerland because nobody would expect a a Swiss team to come in and for any kind of long period of time be the ruling party of another country nobody would put up with that so you probably at the minimum you probably have to have the military in favor of it because the military could get rid of the the government in a box at the same time that they would have to be the ones that had invited them in so it probably has to be supported by the military at a minimum anyway that's one idea let's talk about some other things let's talk about Joe Biden ok the funniest thing about Joe Biden and there are a lot of funny things about Joe Biden I don't know where to start so he was asked the human gaff machine I call him he was asked by I was a Robin Roberts asked him if he had a slogan for

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Roberts asked him if he had a slogan for his campaign and here's the funny part he didn't have a slogan I guess he hadn't thought of it he hadn't thought of a slogan come on that's sort of running for president 101 you gotta have a slogan and so he he tries to come up with a slogan on the fly and he goes make America moral again and when Joe Biden is trying to act extra sincere his eyes get really close he and he leans in yeah I'm so since a year making America moral again see the sincerity Lou these eyes Elizabeth there's very sincere closes here I'm more sincere than you could ever imagine look at my sincerity and then of course he didn't realize that his yeah that the acronym for make America moral again is mama

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perfect milk America I get that's funny anyway so that's the first funny thing second funny thing did you see the you see the clip of him awkwardly hugging Hillary Clinton it looks like there are four other Dove I can show but all right let me see if I can show to you here can you see it so he's hugging her and watch her give she's giving him the tap on the shoulder tap tap okay let me go tap tap tap let me go and then she just puts her hands down and just hangs there like the ultimate sign that let me go and then she goes back to tap tap tap and let me go let me go you can let me go now hey look at it I'm just hanging here let me go let me go let me go now that clip was actually looping so look it looked more exaggerated it wasn't real life but this was just an introduction to my actual funniest point the funny point is have you seen the latest video of him

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you seen the latest video of him campaigning and he's going up on stage and everybody when you go up on stage that's usually when there's some handshakes and some kisses and some hugs and he doesn't know how to handle himself because he knows that everybody is watching how he touches people so watch it is frickin hilarious yeah if you're looking for it it's funny if you're not looking for it you might not notice but he doesn't know how to interact with people because he had 76 years of interacting a certain very physical way and now that he knows he can't do that he's he you could tell that he's completely out of his element because he's trying to navigate a me-too world where you can't touch anybody and so he looks he looks awkward to me because he hasn't figured it out now there was also this viral video that went around that put together all the the little bits of his speech in which he seemed to be slurring or searching for a word if you see them all together

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for a word if you see them all together it looks like he has a mental problem or he's just very old or it it really does sell a picture of him having some problems I would say that's misleading because you could probably do that same clip with all of my periscopes if you if you took any of my periscopes and took all the little times I'm searching for a word or I slur a word or I say a word wrong it would look just like that maybe it's because I'm old anyway I wouldn't make too much of it because I think you could do that with anybody but here's the other funny part and this is the best part of all so when we heard that Trump was calling him sleepy Joe sleepy Joe Biden yeah there was some disagreement about whether that was a good or bad nickname because people said well creepy would be better but I think the president wisely stayed away from creepy and I think it was wise because the president has his own you know grab

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the president has his own you know grab him by the whatever stuff going on and so if he used the creepy creepy label it would probably be thrown back at him so I think it was good that he avoided that sleepy is one that the president can win every time because let me let me just give you this scenario and if this doesn't make you laugh you're dead inside all right so now sleepy Joe has to deal with the fact that he has to deal with this label so he has to act as whatever is the opposite of sleepy when he was onstage do you think he was thinking that that he had to look like he was presenting a lot of energy oh yeah he was thinking it he was thinking it hard because if he had done anything that looked Low Energy it would have been all the news that would have been the news it wouldn't have matter what he said that night if his energy was low in any way that you could even interpret it as low even if it had not been that would have been the

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it had not been that would have been the only story so trumpet by now is absolutely in his head he's so far into Biden's head because now everything that sleepy Joe does has to counter the idea that he has low energy what does that make you do to overcompensate well the first thing he does to make him overcompensate is he probably has to ramp up his energy a little higher than normal for these events and it almost certainly would make him miss peak because if you're if you're adding a little bit too much energy compared to the energy that you normally add and he I think he actually has good energy but it's a great political argument against them it seems to me then maybe that could have been a little bit of what made him miss peak then maybe he was trying a little too hard or how about this do you think that Biden got a good

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this do you think that Biden got a good night's sleep the night before he gave his speech when he was when he was going to sleep the night before and you know Joe lays down and he's like ah tomorrow I'm gonna announced for president I've got to save the world he's calling me sleepy Joe can't sleep can't sleep don't sleep I'm not gonna get eight hours tonight I'm gonna get five hours night because I'm not sleepy Joe I'm not sleepy Joe he's not gonna make me sleepy Joe I'm gonna five hours a night that's all I need and I'm not gonna let anybody see me take a nap ever I'm never gonna go home early I'm not gonna cancel an event because I'm tired I'm not sleepy Joe so I think that I think President Trump has used what I would call a sports trash-talk model that is very active meaning that it's gonna make his opponent respond to it it's an active insult I think imagine if you will President

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I think imagine if you will President Trump has a long day and he wants to take a nap how does he do it he probably says something like this can you clear my schedule after 8 o'clock tonight I want to spend some alone time or some family time and the president goes off to his private quarters and goes to sleep early I don't know yet if he ever goes to sleep early I suspect he doesn't but he could and nobody would have any question about it because his brand is high energy so if the president goes and privately goes into his private quarters you just think well it might be a sleep you might be having some family time you wouldn't think anything of it so the president could sleep as much as he wants because his brand allows it now imagine that you're you're sleepy Joe and you've got all these advisers and people you don't know them all you don't necessarily quite trust and yet you don't know who's leaking to the media you don't know if you have a mole you

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you don't know if you have a mole you don't know what stories are gonna get out and you're tired you can't say you're tired you can't tell you can't tell your closest advisor you're tired because that's gonna come out someday you can't say cancel my events this afternoon I just need to catch up can't say that you can't not take on an event even though it would exhaust you because you don't want to look like you couldn't take on an event because it would exhaust you if you can't even go to sleep early suppose suppose it's 11 o'clock at night and the advisors are still walking with Biden and what he wants to say is I need some sleep I don't know if he can I don't know if he can't say that I think he stays up to midnight so that they leave on their own so that he doesn't have to tell people he's tired so I think the president is so deeply in sleepy Joe's head that I'm gonna make a prediction are you ready for this if this is as actively powerful

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for this if this is as actively powerful framing as I think it is he could exhaust Biden before Election Day if Biden makes it that far I don't know I'm thinking he probably won't but if he does make it that far in two years he will have run himself ragged at age 78 or six or whatever the hell he is and the odds of him not stumbling or getting sick or showing some affect of all that work it's pretty low so it's possible that the Trump that Trump has presented a ticking time bomb of a kill shot and I don't know if we've seen this one before this is one that has a timer on it because on day one when you heard sleepy Joe didn't you have the same impression I did which is I don't know he doesn't know like feel less sleepy to me I my impression is sort of the opposite he feels like he's a pretty high energy guy and I said before I give

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high energy guy and I said before I give him very high marks for fitness have you seen Joe Biden like he is really at least in terms of his weight and his you know just his persona and he's obviously had a lot of work done and his face and stuff like that but you know I I don't I don't like to criticize people for that those are personal choices but I would say he's the opposite of sleepy-looking but it's got a timer on it and the longer he tries to prove he's not sleepy the more he's gonna wear himself into the ground the more he's gonna expose himself to mistakes that he might not have made so I think it could be brilliant but we won't know we're gonna have to wait and see if it see if that little thing that little seed takes root alright I said around an article since all of you know oh I should mention again so yesterday I wrote a blog post I have not written a blog post in a long time because I've

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blog post in a long time because I've been doing the periscopes and working on books and stuff but I thought it was time to take everything about the fine people hoax and put it into a written form because written form just travels better it can be more viral to more people because people will read things they won't watch on video and and I realized that there was such a consistency to how people responded when when they're revealed to have been hoaxed and that they believe the president really said that there were that the neo-nazis were fine people if they believed that and then he's shown the transcripts and it's not true they almost always go down what I call the hoax funnel they start with this big claim the president said neo-nazis are fine people they show him the transcript they go okay it says exactly the opposite but he said and they always revert to what were these other people these fine people why were they marching with Nazis huh-huh can't be a fighting person if you're marching with the Nazi and so in

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you're marching with the Nazi and so in my blog post I talked about how that's actually a hallucination there is no claim and there's no reporting that all the people there were marching in fact it was sort of a chaos there were some marchers and then there were all kinds of other people doing all kinds of other things in in in spree clothes who knows what those people were thinking or why they were there nobody did a survey nobody talked to the ball nobody knows so worst case scenario the president made an assumption but he also detailed this assumption he said I believe there were people there about the statue so he said that clearly in the same context as he was talking about the fine people on both sides so it's obviously meant both sides of the statue controversy anyway um the my observation is that people start with the big hoax and you you can debunk each of the lesser hoaxes as they retreat to down the funnel until you get to the end of the funnel and

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you get to the end of the funnel and Philip and it usually turns into questions if you can turn somebody from a statement of fact the president said neo-nazis are firing people that's a statement it's not true you debunk it they go down to another statement well those fighting people were marching with Nazis but that's not true there's no evidence no suggestion no reporting and all the reporting says that people were not marching marching with Nazis there were just lots of people there so that's not true once you have to bunk that you end up all everytime and you could you could do this at home the person who's being having their their worldview annihilated will eventually end up with questions look the question forum means they've already given up on the statement so they've already accepted that the President did not say neo-nazis are fine people the transcript says that clearly he did not say that and they end up with so why would these

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and they end up with so why would these people who were foreign people attend an event obviously organized by neo-nazis and races and as I write in my blog post in order to ask that question you would have to know nothing about reality or human beings all right so the question is just freaking dumb because if you take a hundred human beings 100 Americans I like to use as my example you take any 100 Americans and even if they go to the same place for the same event are they going to have 100 are they going to have just two different opinions if you take a hundred people and put them someplace that has two sides you know Pro Statue anti statue are they only gonna have two opinions just two opinions Pro statue anti statue now if you've been alive in this world for more than 10 freaking minutes and you've

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than 10 freaking minutes and you've interacted with you you know that the number of opinions at Charlotte's Ville was probably closer to a thousand right I'm exaggerating but there were probably every flavor of opinion there there were people who were a complete racist but don't you know there were some people who were not racist who would never date somebody of a specific other ethnicity well sorta racist but are those the same well you could argue that are the same or different but my point is there's per there was probably every opinion that you could possibly imagine if there are enough people you're gonna have every freaking opinion and I would say that's one thing that you could bet on and win every time now was this the one time the hundreds of people showed up in the same physical geography is this the one time in the history of with the world that they only brought two opinions with them Pro racism anti racism no not there's no

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Pro racism anti racism no not there's no chance of that so the idea that people came for the same reason or the same understanding or even that they looked at the same flyer and had the same interpretation of what was going on some people looked at and said oh it's organized by racists III guess I'm a racist so I'll go I'm sure people said that don't you think that other people guaranteed because there a lot of people were talking about and of all the hundreds of thousands of people who saw the flyer on social media don't you think there were any who said oh it's a thing about unites the right it's about statues it looks like some Nazis will be there but why do I care there gonna be a lot of people there you know they're gonna be people on both sides you know there's gonna be people with every opinion but this flyer is telling me that definitely some of them are Nazis I don't think it's a nasty event I just like the the racists are showing up because why wouldn't they it's you know this is right in there right in there their sweet spot the statue controversy so could you show any

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statue controversy so could you show any flyer to a hundred people and have them all come down on the same opinion given that the flyer was not it didn't say hey we're racists it just listed speakers and had images and some statutes do you think you could get a hundred people to look at that flyer and have the same opinion now not in any world that you've ever lived in can you get a hundred people they have the same opinion about anything so the president's assumption that could have been right or wrong and it doesn't matter because he stated his assumption his assumption was that there were people there just about the statue and then he talked about you know his belief based on the assumption the worst-case scenario is that the president assumed there were multiple opinions and it's the first time in human history that's ever not been true that's the worst thing that you could say about this is that the president made the most common assumption you could make that there were a lot of different opinions there

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were a lot of different opinions there and it was the one time in human history it wasn't true and there's no reporting or whether it was true we can't know what everybody was thinking so anyway I put together these thoughts debunking every part of the hoax final so that you can use the same structure to drive people down the funnel the fun is watching people go down the funnel so consistently because the direction they take always ends up with and then I think Chris Cuomo will end up with the the final weakest question which was oh why did the people who showed up not leave immediately if there were any fine people who showed up once they saw what was happening why didn't they leave immediately now that's a question not a statement and it's a question based on ignorance and it's a question based on lack of imagination the fact that Chris Cuomo doesn't know any possible reasons why that could be true doesn't tell you anything it tells

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true doesn't tell you anything it tells you that Chris Cuomo is ignorant and I don't mean that as an insult I mean ignorant in the sense that we're all ignorant about something you know that everybody has something they don't know I mean that's just normal texture in the world so I'm not calling Chris Cuomo dumb I'm saying that his question is a legitimate question meaning he doesn't know the so the fact that he doesn't know the answer to a question doesn't tell you anything about what happened it just tells you Chris Cuomo didn't know the answer to the question can we imagine any way to explain Chris cromoz question why would find people show up and not immediately leave how about this answer Chris Cuomo how do you know they didn't immediately leave how do you know they didn't show up see what was happening and turn and leave that's not in evidence we have no idea how long people stayed I've also suggested that if I were to find people and I showed up there and

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find people and I showed up there and once I was there I realized that there was going to be a fight between an Tifa who I hate with a passion because there were the yeah there they're literally masked armed people who would like to hurt me personally if I saw that they were about to get in a fight with neo-nazis who I hate with a passion as much as I hate Anti Fog I'm making a moral equivalence yes I am I'm making a moral equivalence there's they're both completely bad if you're saying if anybody's saying one of them is a little worse than the other well I don't think you're you know you should not show your face in society if you're gonna if you're gonna find if you're gonna make like a fine differentiation between the masked and armed anti five thugs who want to overthrow the government and beat me to death if you say well they're not so bad I mean that's not so bad you know they're at least they're against racism I mean they got that goal informed so they're not completely bad

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informed so they're not completely bad they want to beat you to death with clubs but you know they have these good parts - if you're saying that don't talk in public seriously you you're just embarrassing yourself if you're defending one of those sides as being a little more moral than the other anyway if I showed up there as a fine person and I saw that these two groups that I hate the most we're gonna fight each other with sticks and beating each other you couldn't get me to leave are you kidding me are you kidding me you think I would leave show now if I ever fell physically in danger I would of course but apparently the police were protecting that the people were fighting and letting the people fight who wanted to fight and there weren't guns they were just beating each other mistake so you could kind of watch the show would I have left that no frickin way I don't hate anybody more than I hate anti-shah and neo-nazis to me they're tens and tens right the the most hated most worthy of you know

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the most hated most worthy of you know kind of condemnation of any group if you can show me a picture of them beating each other with clubs I'm all in on that I want to see that all right so anyway if you read the blog post and if you would be nice enough to tweet that around its pinned to the top of my Twitter feed so you can find it easily all right yeah Mike sorry fetch had an interesting tweet in which he was he was talking about how the stress in the world is worse than ever at the same time that the world is better than ever the stress the people are feeling about the world is the worst at the same time the world has never been better I mean not even close we are at levels humanity has never never seen this is the best the world has ever been by a pretty good

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the world has ever been by a pretty good measure right and he pointed out that he was nice enough to point out that I had predicted that we were entering now I called it the Golden Age when all of the real problems were solved or on the way to being solved the real problems being you know poverty war a crime you know the real problems and that they would be replaced by psychological problems in other words the the way we were thinking about our world was getting worse at the same time the world itself was getting way better and so we're seeing that start to develop so Mike was nice enough to call that out as a prediction that looks like it's heading toward fruition now apparently Trump is considering designating the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group and now the pushback to that is that the Muslim Brotherhood is not just one one

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Brotherhood is not just one one organization that's doing some bad stuff there are people in the Muslim Brotherhood who were terrorists that seems to be just a fact nobody nobody's questioning except maybe the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't call themselves terrorists but as I understand it it's sort of an umbrella term and there are lots of people who say they are mother Muslim Brotherhood and especially in some countries where it just doesn't mean that so there are people in other countries were just innocent Muslim Brotherhood people who abhorred violence they're against violence against they're against terrorism but they still like being whatever you know that label they like to be part of the Muslim Brotherhood for whatever the other benefits the organization presents and so the idea was that it would be bad to designate the organization as a terrorist group because it would have a bad effect on these people who really are on our side you know in the sense

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are on our side you know in the sense that they're peaceful and they don't want terrorism so they're marginally on our side the same interests to which I say that's our problem if you can't tell me that if a if a nice person I mean the the Democrats have just finished telling us that if somebody who thinks they're a nice person marches with neo-nazis well they're sort of neo-nazis and I agree with that which is why that wasn't relevant in Chavez Ville because nobody nobody is making the case that they were actually marching with the neo-nazis the people who were fighting people but I think it must be said that if you identify yourself as a member of a group with known terrorists I don't think it matters that you personally are not in favor of terrorism does it because you can just change change your membership you can just say

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change your membership you can just say oh shoot now that you've designated them a terrorist group I denounce my membership I'll join another group I don't think we should see that as our problem I think that we should very much encourage the good people who are nonviolent - maybe disavow the group that is that's not asking a lot so without knowing the details of this it would be dangerous to have a strong opinion on this because I don't think any of us know all that the nuance of the situation but if the only problem is that there are a bunch of people that we really genuinely like and they're basically on our side but they call themselves Muslim Brotherhood for you know nonviolent reasons I think that's just something they need to work out I don't think for a second that should influence what we do somebody else's decision to join a despicable group should not be determining our foreign national interests at all now I

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foreign national interests at all now I know I'm oversimplifying but just just on that one point I have a pretty strong opinion but there may still be good reasons not to do it I'm sure that'll get worked out in the conversations all right oh so I have a challenge questions in I'm gonna ask this question as if I know the answer but I really don't because there might actually be an answer to this question that I can't imagine so I'm going to open it up to the public and see if you can come up with an answer president Trump has been blamed for or credited with defending out you once a with ten thousand lies ten thousand lies now I'm assuming that since he started office now I'm assuming that lie in this context is anything that doesn't pass the fact-checking and I'm assuming that ten thousand means repeating the same thing though that they don't think is

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thing though that they don't think is true more than once so I think there would it's not ten thousand individual lies I assume I assume right check me on that I think it's 10,000 things he said that they say aren't true but that would include a lot of repeats of the same thing that they say is not true now on the other side there are two giant lives that the press has been telling one is the fine people lie that they continue to tell and one is the rush of collusion lie which they continue to sell indirectly as they are today if you do a search on fine people you get a million hits almost every one of those hits is a lie about the president because they would tell the story the wrong way almost all of them and if you do a search on rush inclusion you get 1.4 million hits on Google I'm guessing at least a million in them are blaming the president for being the Russian spy so or a Russian puppet or

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Russian spy so or a Russian puppet or something so if you took those two lies to find people lie and you add it together with the rush of collusion line that's just two things imagine all the lies told about this president that's just two of them and you have two million lies two million but here's here's what I'd like to suggest I want you to see if I'm wrong on this in fact check madness it seems to me that the ten thousand lies that the president has told are almost entirely what I would call sales lies in other words they're there in the service of selling something and for the most part what he's selling is make America great again so yes the thing is lying about gets you to a better economy do you feel bad about that if the thing is lying about reduces Isis recruiting is that bad so

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reduces Isis recruiting is that bad so let me give you the specific examples if the president says the economy is doing better were they his administration has done more things than he's really done or that the cutting of the regulation is more important to the economy than he says or that his contribution to the stock price going up is far more than actually the evidence suggests what is the outcome of all of those lies about the economy well the outcome is that the economy improves that is the point of those lies the point of saying everything is great is to make people think our economy is great so I guess I should invest and when they invest it makes the economy great when he says I mean we're hiring like crazy and employments up and everything's good these are good lies these are salesperson lies because the salesperson might lie to you but you still could end up buying the thing you wanted all right so there are lots of lies that are hyperbole they're

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lies that are hyperbole they're exaggeration or they're overstating but they're for a very clear positive purpose now of course it helps them get elected it helps them be president etc and I'm not minimizing the fact that their self-interest involved but the lies are very very positive they're so positive that you could argue that the president's lies about the economy are the best thing that have ever happened to the country think about that the president's lies about how good the economy is are literally making the economy better I mean that's not an exaggeration that is a fact I would die on I would you could put a bullet to my head and say Scott say with confidence that the president's lies about the economy are actually good for the economy and I would say I'll say it right now our president's lies are good for the economy okay I would put a

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for the economy okay I would put a bullet in my mouth and tell you that there's no fricking question that his lies helped the economy let's take another topic Isis so the president said you know Isis is defeated blah blah was that and over a claim absolutely it was definitely more than what was true it was hyperbole it was maybe doesn't pass the fact-checking but if you're isis and you're watching the news or you're thinking of becoming Isis do you want to join the group that is being decimated more than estimated it's decimated technically means 10 percent worse so Isis is more like 95 percent worse now and heading in the wrong direction when the president lies about how well Isis is doing that's bad for Isis because they can't recruit if the news is saying Isis is losing everywhere it's a lie but it's the best freaking

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it's a lie but it's the best freaking lie anybody ever told I want more of those lies let's give us more of those those are good lies all right those are smart lies those are leader lies now compare those lies and again I'm not saying those are the only things that that there lies about but compare them to just the two lies coming from the press the fine person lie and and the rush of collusion what are those two things done to the to the moral fabric of this country so speaking to Joe Biden's campaign theme about you know the moral center of the country what did the fine person lie do to the moral fabric of this country if Rickon ripped its gizzards out it's the worst political lie except for Russia collusion those two things are the worst political lies maybe of all time and

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political lies maybe of all time and because if you look at the racial divide in this country so much of it Springs from the fine people lie now some of you are gonna say now you you could you could throw that one away and the president has done so many other things that sound racist that that's just one of them so Scott you're overstating the importance of that one and I would state that that one line is the one where they're sure that the president was a racist all the other ones are ones that even the people who think he's a racist can sort of see that it might be something taken Anna context so that the the countries think even if you're sure the presidents are racist for other reasons you hear that whole thing and I think even if you don't say it out loud you're thinking to yourself okay kind of was talking about the country's alright I I started to get that it's not a good spot a clean one but because the Charlottesville one I'm so sure is true and that one he really

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so sure is true and that one he really showed that he's in favor of neo-nazis that makes me think that common is true take another one the Mexicans are animals fake news well of course the president was actually talking about ms-13 if you're someone who thinks the president is racist and you hear that story you say okay call them animals but it's pretty clear he was talking about ms-13 alright that's a gray area it feels racist to me though not because of the situation because that's that's obviously he was talking about him as 13 but because of Charlottesville since I know Charlottesville really happened all these other things seem truer than the facts would make them seem so the point is that Charlottesville is the Alpha lie for all of the other lies and the reason I'm I'm taking it out is because it's the is the third leg of the TDS stool so the TDS stool the thing that supports people's insanity about the president are three

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insanity about the president are three legs Russia collusion find people hoax and racism etc and the thought these literally crazy he's got a mental problem all right as time goes by and the results in this country continue to be stellar the he's crazy mentally incompetent one is starting to fade on its own you know you have you noticed you don't hear that as much have you noticed that the headlines are not full of the president is crazy and impulsive and all that that just went away that's one of the legs of the stool Russia collusion went away the fine people hoax is the list last little brittle leg that is also going away because it's not true and I think my blog post should kick that leg out because it will give you a link and by the way you should save it you should save my blog post link and you should turn it into a bitly and you should put it on a nope like a no file so you always know where it is

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no file so you always know where it is and then forever on social media when somebody brings up that lie send them a link to my blog post and it will take them all the way down the hoax funnel down to the question and get rid of that leg so I would say if you were going to compare the the destructive power of lies the Russia collusion and the fine people lie were destructive lies and they got 2 million hits that is the biggest lying I don't know if we've ever seen bigger lies maybe a world war 2 or something they were bigger lies but feels like the most powerful super lie situation we've ever seen the president has told 10,000 salesperson lies and the result is a better economy less recruiting for Isis and what happened when they said is there a rise in white supremacy and the president downplayed

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supremacy and the president downplayed it and they they fact checked him and said yeah but they're like two dozen people killed this way but there are two dozen plus three people killed this way in a context where more more people die in swimming pools and on bicycles that are killed by white supremacists I mean literally and it's not even close there are far more people who drown in the backyard swimming pool that are ever killed by killed by terrorists in this country so the president downplayed it partly because he's the one being blamed for the rise and white supremacy if somebody is blaming you for something are you gonna say there's a lot of it if somebody said hey Scott you're you're to blame for a pollution do you think there's a lot of pollution I might be tempted to say there's not too much me because I don't want to take the blame because I know I'm gonna get the blame so of course I'm gonna minimize it anyway so the president's

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minimize it anyway so the president's lies if you want to call them that are seemingly all toward a greater good the lies against the president are not for a greater good the fine person hoax had no good intentions it was just to change who was in power same with the Russia collusion stuff all right did I cover all of my topics is there anything I didn't talk about yet so I watched a clip of Don Lemon talking to I forget who but it was some Trump supporter who was just who was just annihilating him until the point where Don Lemon had to just shout it over him and and until the guy couldn't talk and that was funny Oh
nuclear let's talk nuclear so I hope you enjoyed my interview with Michael

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enjoyed my interview with Michael Shellenberger yesterday a world expert advisor on the subject of nuclear energy and you saw a little bit of a disagreement and that's your disagreement that might be too strong of a word but there was a different view let's say on older nuclear technology versus generation four but I wanted to put that in context now so there are two points of view roughly so Shellenberger is saying that that generation three nuclear which is the type France s and not the type of the United States has I don't think we might have a few I think we have mostly generation one which were they relatively more dangerous designs France has generation three and I'll be looking for some fact-checking on this because I'm out of my depth here has generation three very successful and as far as I know zero nuclear accidents

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far as I know zero nuclear accidents somebody or at least of any of any consequence so fact-checking on that I don't believe there's ever been a generation 3 nuclear accident can somebody fact check me on that I forget what Fukushima was but certainly Chernobyl was a different thing Three Mile Island with none of those were generation 3 so Michael Sheldon Berger is saying quite reasonably why would you mess around with these new generation for stuff that would take a lot of work and testing and there's a lot of risk involved on the unknown versus generation 3 where we have such a long history and no problems and we've refined it to the point where we've taken out all of the opportunity for problems why wouldn't you go with that and you know worry less about generation 3 because we already have a solution and my take on that was you know I certainly get that if you're gonna start today you

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get that if you're gonna start today you have to start with generation 3 because generation 4 is not quite there all right so that part we agree on but what I disagree on is that the potential for generation 4 isn't better than gen gen 3 and the reason I say that is some of you saw I did if you are I did with the person I call the smartest person in the world and of all raava comp it was a founder of AngelList and generally considered one of those smartest people in the world and certainly specifically smart in the world of startups and entrepreneurial stuff that's that's really his greatest area of at least what the public thinks of his expertise is is his brains pretty big but the we would recognize him as maybe one of the smartest people in the world on that topic now when he talks about nuclear he says yeah talking about

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about nuclear he says yeah talking about it as startups the way you would talk about is startups is that nuclear you can't iterate designs because if something goes wrong and there's a long approval process and blah blah it's her to quickly test things the way every other technology is developed so other things can be tested quickly and then you can get to a better point because they even if things go wrong you know it doesn't matter if your smartphone doesn't work it's not like a nuclear meltdown I've got something in my eye now the government has funded and there there's at least one test site in the world where there could rapidly test generation for designs and there are a dozen or so startups in the generation four world and Bill Gates is a major investor in one of those so I say why don't you do both as hard as you can you know why not build the generation 3 power plant so we know how to do right

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power plant so we know how to do right now and still keep iterating the hack in a generation 4 because someday someday they might be better and it's hard for me to imagine that all of the geniuses and they would have to be geniuses literally geniuses working on all these nuclear startups it's hard for me to imagine that they don't know what Michael Shellenberger knows that generation 3 is it has been refined to the point where it's the safe smart way to go how could all of those startups not know that now I'm probably overstating it so I don't want to misrepresent Michael's point of view but I think his point of view has more to do with where you put your your emphasis I don't think he's saying that there's no way we would ever get to a better design through generation four I think he just thinks that's the bad play statistically and timing-wise which I wouldn't I wouldn't disagree with because I don't have the expertise to disagree with that but I want to make

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to disagree with that but I want to make a case for doing both hard because we don't we don't have a money problem in other words there is funding for these startups Bill Gates etc so it wouldn't make sense not to push them as hard as we can within a safe the safe zone at the same time we're doing generation 3 if we need to build stuff right away and we do and that and then Michael also had a little I say a more negative opinion about green technologies potential and made a beta compelling case that the people who are claiming the economics are good are let's say they're leaving things out well let's say let's say that their analyses I'm being as kind as possible that the people who say the all green solution is ready now and we can just roll this stuff out and we're all good to go that those people are not quite considering all of the all of the

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quite considering all of the all of the variables let's say that's the kindest thing I can say and I think he's probably right on that but like generation four I will take the than of all point of view which is I don't think you can really know where a green technology mostly solar and wind I don't think you can know what their upper limit is I think if it's like every other thing in the world people will discover new improvements and ways to optimize that we didn't know let's take just the simplest example one of the things people say about solar is that it takes up too much physical space don't you think somebody's going to invent a way to make it more vertical and then physical space is not important what happens when robots can build solar facilities and you just say okay robots go out there and we'll check back in a

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go out there and we'll check back in a month and we want a whole new full solar facility built in the desert well what does that do to the cost structure when you can just point the robots in a direction and the next thing you know there's a solar facility and maybe it doesn't take much room maybe it's vertical I think I tweeted around an article in which there's one plan for turning air conditionings and in skyscrapers yeah somebody's talking about this already the solar skyscraper somebody has a plan and I don't think is quite as practical as they're thinking but they think maybe they can get there in which an office building would have lots of air-conditioning facilities and those air conditioners create a heat so if you're cooling something you're necessarily making something else hotter because you're just moving the heat you're not you're not taking heat away you're you're just changing where it is so something's getting hotter in order for an air conditioning to do what it does and the idea is that heat could

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does and the idea is that heat could maybe be used as to create fuel and of the co2 in the air in other words you convert these air conditioners to do two things one is to cool the building but the other is to use the heat that they generate in the process as part of the solution for dragging co2 out of the air and converting it chemically into a fuel that could be used where you can't use green energy so that's usually a ship or an aircraft they they don't run it's not likely that they'll run on electric energy of any time soon so you create fuel end of the co2 so then you put solar panels all over your building so if you imagine a building it's got solar panels all the way up and the air-conditioning for each building is optimized to create to pull a little co2 end of the air and to convert it to fuel that replaces the need for carbon in airplanes and boats now can they ever

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airplanes and boats now can they ever build that if I said to you in 40 years will we be able to do what I just described build a skyscraper that is energy neutral and actually drag co2 end of the air doesn't require any electricity beyond what is generating on its own and oh you're watching the bar damn it I need to go watch that too anyway so the point is nobody can really tell you where solar and green energy are going to be in 40 years anybody who says they can I don't trust them let me let me just toss this out right now the biggest problem with solar is that you can't store it right we can't figure out have batteries but imagine if you will that we solve instead the transmission problem suppose instead of making batteries we figure out how to send electricity over long distances without losing losing the energy and right now I

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losing losing the energy and right now I think you could do that with maybe super conductivity or something but a breakthrough and that would allow you to network together all of the skyscrapers with their solar all over the world so even if the Sun were not shining where you are you could be networked by super conductive cables to another part of the world where the sun is shining just great so if you had the entire world networked with super conductivity do you need batteries that's a question would you need batteries if it was dark where you are but you're networked to the other side of the world where there's plenty of Sun and there's plenty of solar and it's just sending you the electricity from the other side of the world now you would have to have super conductivity and underwater cables and all that and those are things we haven't solved but if you can tell me and I'm not suggesting that that exact scenario will happen I'm just trying to I'm trying to stimulate your imagination so

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trying to stimulate your imagination so you can say to yourself okay we really don't know what it looks like in 40 years there's just no way to predict that so I say go hard and everything and I'm gonna go watch Bill Barr and I will talk to you later bye