Episode 445 Scott Adams: Cognitive Dissonance in the News Everywhere

Date: 2019-03-11 | Duration: 1:10:39

Topics

Media Matters hit piece on Tucker Carlson, illegitimate story The brains behind AOC, my opinion of her and her ideas My support for trans-athletes: Sports aren’t about “fair” Only dumb people talk in absolutes Michael Caputo GoFundMe and financial ruin Old Nads has weaponized the checks and balances process Weaponized against citizens and causing financial ruin
Ruining the country for political gain Ruining citizens of our country for political gain Doing the right thing and hearing “why didn’t you do that sooner”? Penalizing good behavior doesn’t encourage more good behavior Ann Coulter and President Trump are doing “good cop, bad cop” She’s an important part of the process as his foil Q&A from the audience, various topics

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hey border goie lover I’ve got a toy Australian Shepherd same kind of family cousins to your dogs hey everybody hey Mary hey Lyall hey Gino virus Joe good to see you uh come on in here cuz you know what time it is you know it’s time for a coffee with Scott Adams on the simultaneous sip grab your cup your mug your chalice your Stein your your whatever else I always say and raise it will you I hope it’s filled with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me for the simultaneous sip now it’s been a big day of C nitive dissonance I have intentionally created a great deal of it uh some of it happening naturally but others is happening just on its own and I’m going

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happening just on its own and I’m going to walk you through a few stories today and you’ll see that it’s sort of everywhere lately uh first of all I did take the time yesterday to watch the entire interview uh with Candace Owens Candace has her own show now on prageru um with hog Nome I think he’s the chairman now of the greater New York um black lives matter and I got to say this was good entertainment so I don’t I don’t want to give away too much of the conversation I’m just going to say man it was good so the first thing I’ll say is search for Candace Owens hog Nome prageru it’ll pop right up it’s a YouTube uh I think it’s I know two hours or something it’s kind of long and I thought to myself well this is going to be way too long but it wasn’t it really goes quickly and let me tell you what I loved about it without giving away too

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loved about it without giving away too much um as you know uh Candis has more of a republican conservative point of view Hawk Nome is whatever’s seemingly the opposite and watching them talk was like being in a room that you never get to be in because they they kind of cover the entire tapestry well I’m sure there are lots of places left out but but it was it was sort of a wide scope on a world where you don’t get to sit in that room you you just you just would never hear these two personalities having a polite conversation across a different number of topics and I got to say from an educational uh perspect perspective it was great so congratulations to Candace for uh a really entertaining show she does a great job of of interviewing it stayed polite you could tell that they

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stayed polite you could tell that they respected each other even though they deeply disagree on some stuff great stuff um you got to see it it’s very it’s very informative you know you’ll you’ll come away with a different sense of things very much so um there’s some kind of Media Matters story today about Tucker Carlson apparently um it looks like the knives around for Tucker uh whenever you see there’s somebody say on Fox News universe or somebody on the right who starts being very effective you know you see all the enemies come out so you’ve seen antifog go to Tucker’s house and now Media Matters which is you know sort of a hitpiece organization is after Tucker and so I’m not even sure I want to I’m not even going to talk about the topic that he’s in trouble for because it’s illegitimate in other words if you look at the headline I’m just going to make

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at the headline I’m just going to make this up okay so I’m going to make up a headline because I don’t even want to talk about the actual topic but it’s very much like this it would be as if the headline said Tucker Carlson comes out in favor of cannibalism and you think my God Tucker Carlson came out in favor of cannibalism I’ve got to read this AR article and then you read the article and it says from talk Carlson I’m very much against cannibalism what well the headline says you’re in favor of it the headline says you’re you’re defending cannibalism how come the actual text of the article says literally the opposite of that so that was a medium matters HIIT piece where he says the opposite of the headline but people don’t go much further than the headline people are going to walk away with that thinking he’s in favor of cannibalism so it’s not about cannibalism I just made that up because the real story is not worthy of

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the real story is not worthy of mention um but I will tell you that the story seems to be um yeah the the story is completely illegitimate it’s just a hitpiece all right um people keep sending to me a clip of some gentleman who’s doing a behind the scenes look at AOC and and believes that he has found the the brains behind AOC and people keep saying to me is this it does he have it is this the is this the brains the real brains behind AOC to which I say say no it it’s just she has a chief of staff and the chief of staff has a set of Duties which are a little bit like being the brains of the boss you know at least you know in the in the on some level the chief of staff is part of your extended brain if you’re the boss so it’s sort of

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brain if you’re the boss so it’s sort of true in a definitional sense but I think people are really asking me is this the person who teaches her how to be so effective in terms of getting attention and controlling the Democratic message and stuff and I looked at some clips of the gentleman whose name I can’t remember who’s her chief of staff and I don’t see anything there I I see absolutely nothing coming through to suggest he’s anything but a chief of staff who’s good on the technical side and the data side apparently and I’m sure he’s very good at that I have no reason to think he isn’t comes from The Bernie world I guess so he he knows what he’s doing so I’m sure he’s very capable but no I don’t think it’s even close to say that he’s the brains behind the operation I think that would be completely misleading all right um somebody says you’re experiencing confirmation bias

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you’re experiencing confirmation bias you love AOC for some reason let me say as clearly as possible AOC in my opinion is a racist piece of is that clear enough is racist piece of is that ambiguous am I am I leaving any doubt out there what I think of her she’s a racist piece of with an with a set of ideas that are completely impractical and would destroy the country we would we would be eating each other if we followed her plans she has no practical ideas and she’s a racist piece of and she clearly doesn’t understand a lot about how the world works that said her persuasion game is a triple plus so am I not allowed to say that she’s good at one skill can you not follow me if you can’t handle more than one variable you’re on the wrong Periscope for those of you who can’t

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Periscope for those of you who can’t handle the fact that she could be good at one skill while being bad at a different skill is is that clear enough anybody need a little little extra clar ification there all right um the that complaint is is part of a larger class of complaints that make me a little crazy so people will hear me say one thing on a topic and they’ll say oh why do you only say good things about this topic well I only said one thing so far I said one thing if it happened to be positive that doesn’t mean I think everything on this topic is positive I’m I’m not those people on TV who only take take a side and then ride it forever if you need that don’t watch this because I’m the guy who’s going to make you feel bad at least once a week by telling you that you’re wrong about something so if you want to hear that you’re wrong about stuff stay with me if

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you’re wrong about stuff stay with me if you want to just hear some take aside be aund to stuff you know where to go for that all right um I I uh I created a little trouble by supporting trans uh Sports I don’t even know how to what are the right words to say this so I was supporting the idea that somebody biologically born male who transitions to a woman can play on women’s sports um I made a set of points about that and if you watch the internet you’ll see people arguing an entirely different set of points as if I said them so people say things like but Scott don’t you understand that that person who is born biologically male and transition to female would have an unfair Advantage playing against women

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unfair Advantage playing against women why can’t you understand that Scott to which I say that’s the Assumption that’s not something we’re arguing about who the hell is arguing that such hypothetical person would not have some Advantage stop telling me I’m wrong for the thing we all agree on we all agree this hypothetical person has an an advantage now the question is is it unfair if you take any team any basketball team typically there are one or two players on the team who are just way better than the other teams or the other players on the team is it fair that on my high school my high school basketball uh Team there was one player who was just way better than everybody else was that fair sports are not about fairness sports are primarily for the 5% of people who are really good at them to humiliate the 95% who are not that’s the

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humiliate the 95% who are not that’s the primary function of of sports is to make the 5% feel extra extra good and get an extra Advantage because they’ve crushed people they’ve built up their testosterone if it’s male uh they’ve you know they’ve learned to win they’ve learned to compete they’ve got team experiences it’s all great for the 5% who were good at it what about the kid who goes through the whole process just to sit on the freaking bench like an idiot it’s not good for that kid what about the kids who couldn’t make the team and they’re not part of the In Crowd cuz all the athletes are kind of cool and they hang out with each other it’s not good for the rest of them anyway my point is I welcome disagreement on points I actually have talked about but you’ll see that most of the disagreement on this issue will be a manufactured disagreement where somebody imagines that I’ve said that it would be a Fair competition I’ve never claimed fairness

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competition I’ve never claimed fairness is an aspect of sports that exists or should exist in the future sports are about mismatches if every if every sports team was evenly matched and you know baseball games were one by one and you know every basketball a game was you know it’s the last basket that determines it would seem fun for a while but I would I would U suggest that it’s the mismatch and the unfairness that makes you come back you want to see Tiger Woods crush the field of lesser golfers back in his Peak you want to see Michael Jordan in his Peak destroy the other team that’s that’s the fun part it’s not where somebody tried to shoot a basket and somebody somebody kind of half blocked them because they

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kind of half blocked them because they were about evil even those two players were about equal no you want to watch Roger Federer dismantle another player like you can’t even believe was possible all right sports are on the surface we hey let’s be fair Let’s Be Good Sports let’s have good rules you know we try to make these teams even you know we’ll have leagues so you’re in the same league and everything not really that’s not the fun part the fun part is the gross mismatches the Shaquille O’Neal that’s why you watch you have to have this fiction about fairness because we’re we’re a society that likes to imagine fairness exists all right so and then uh I did a comic comic that came out on Sunday which I knew would get me in trouble which is and partly it’s partly why I do it and the subject of the comic was Dilbert talking to his boss and Dilbert’s boss says to him that

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boss and Dilbert’s boss says to him that they want a contract to measure the temperature of the ocean and they have to figure out some devices and ways to to measure the temperature of the ocean and dilber says it’s too big and the and the boss says that they’ll basically sample it now that this is pretty much the way climate scientists measure the ocean because the ocean’s a big place so you can’t measure it everywhere um you you can’t measure every part of the ocean so that they have representative places in which they can sample it and then over time they can check their their samples against other samples and say did it go up or down now here’s the here’s here’s my question I’m told by climate scientists that the ocean is like a big memory device

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device in the sense that there are parts of the ocean which still have the temperature memory of maybe thousands of years ago or at least the past because if something gets to the bottom of the ocean it’s going to take a while for anything that happens above the ocean to change its temperature so you’ve got you’ve got you know the the water is moving you’ve got maybe some underground volcanoes you’ve got you know if it’s true that the let’s say the uh the Gulf Stream has has changed a little bit so you’ve got all these things going on so if you were to drop your um your measurements in certain places would you get a representative sample my guess is no now I’m not sure if there are scientists who could who could convince me otherwise maybe they could I wouldn’t rule that out but it seems to me

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rule that out but it seems to me logically that you could do a sample of something that has some samess to it so somebody tried to use the example of oh if you took the blood if you tested somebody’s blood out of their arm you know would that be good enough or would you have to test test the blood you took out of every part of their body to know what the composition of the blood is to which I say don’t we kind of know that blood is the same all over in your body but if you talk about the ocean of the entire planet don’t we know that that’s changing all the time so it might be that you can measure the temperature of the ocean to such Precision that you can tell if the temperature of the ocean the whole ocean was 0.1 warmer than last year maybe maybe I don’t like to talk in absolutes because that’s how dumb people talk so maybe that’s possible but let me

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talk so maybe that’s possible but let me ask you does it feel possible to you I mean I could I could imagine if they could get it within a few degrees but if you’re talking about uh climate change you really need to get it down to I don’t know 10th of a degree or something like that um somebody says seriously where you take the blood matters well it doesn’t matter if it’s your arm or your leg I don’t think um the electric universe theory I have not heard of that now save the Krill you must be watching Star Trek Discovery by the way I’m watching the new the newish Star Trek series that’s on CBS they have a a paid feature CBS does I don’t know what it’s called but you can buy the new Fe the the new Star Trek I like it a lot I

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the new Star Trek I like it a lot I gotta say the new Star Trek quite good uh the Orville so I do watch the Orville uh Christine and I enjoy watching that together and I had the hardest time trying to figure out if the Orville was a comedy or or what it was the first time I watched it and I’m still not sure it’s really very much its own thing but it doesn’t fit the it doesn’t seem to to fit you know the pattern of other sci-fi it’s very much its own thing but for whatever reason it’s very watchable without me ever walking away saying it was good I I don’t know how to explain that so let me say that again the Orville is one is one of those shows that it’s appointment TV I make make sure that I know I know when it airs and I know when I watch it and I make a

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I know when I watch it and I make a point to a special point to watch it and there’s only a few shows like that two or three h but every time I watch it I walk away thinking well that wasn’t very good and then I’m I look forward to it again now what’s that what makes that happen why is it that I could watch it every time and say Ah that’s not very good and then still look forward to watching it again I don’t feel that way about other things so there’s there is something about it I like maybe it’s maybe it’s because they create a world and you can go live in that world a little while I don’t know maybe it’s because they don’t really have bad news if if you watch the Orville um maybe this is it I’ll tell you I think maybe I know what it is most shows they ramp up the tension so that you actually feel bad about what’s happening to a character and you’re thinking ah hate to be in that situation that looks bad looks feels bad but the Orville even when

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feels bad but the Orville even when people are in terrible situations they never ramp up the stress so you’re just watching it’s like it looks like somebody got closed up in a cocoon there I guess they’ll be out in a few minutes and then they’re out in a few minutes like everything’s sort of easy on the Orville so I think I like it because they never have really bad news on the Orville it’s like everything is just sort of you know floating along and everybody survives um on another topic I tweeted around this morning a GoFundMe for Michael Caputo for his legal defense Michael kaputo uh is a republican consultant who got dragged into the Mueller investigations or the or con Congressional investigations but anyway he’s been he’s been Dragged In he’s he’s run up hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills for nothing for nothing

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in legal bills for nothing for nothing he just happened to go to work you know do his job as a political consultant then all of a sudden he’s being hit with hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal bills just for being in the general orbit of President Trump and there are 81 people in entities were being um subpoena is that the right I don’t know what the right term is but um old nads Jerry Nadler Gerald Gerald Nadler who I call Old nads has decided to criminal to basically weaponize um Congressional oversight so I think that’s the way to think of it so old nads has taking a important and valuable governmental check and balance process and he’s weaponized it against the citizens of the the country now it would be one thing if he was going after elected

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was going after elected officials you know I would I might have a problem with it if if it were an overreach but going after elected officials seems more like congressional oversight kind of thing to do but once you start dragging in anybody they’ve talked to or anyone they may they might have sought advice from once you start bringing them in and burdening them with you know it could be half a million dollars of legal bills by the time somebody’s done with this this whole cycle does that seem like a country you want to live in I say no now unfortunately for Michael Caputo to push back against this and he has he has decided to push back and and not participate in it he’s probably in some fairly serious legal Jeopardy unless some substantial other part of the 81 people push back as well so I would recommend what would make me happiest as a citizen as a as a member of the team I

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a citizen as a as a member of the team I would be happiest if all 81 people refused to cooperate now if they all do it maybe they have a chance of Defending against it if kuto is the only one who does it he’s probably got some serious trouble and it’s not his fault he could be in serious trouble for doing the right thing in public if you do the right thing in public and you have committed no crime you’re making a you’re making a a statement about how far you’re willing to go to let’s say add credibility to what is weaponizing the the O oversight function of the Congress to go along with that would be to make the world a worst place so kaputo is saying I’m not going to make the world a worst place and I’m going to take a chance that I can avoid making my own situation worse by

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making my own situation worse by bankrupting me even further than he’s already been basically he’s been wiped out by this process so you’re watching you every time you see this this monster old nads when I watch him I don’t know if it’s just me but you could not have cast in a movie someone who looks more like a troll who lives under the bridge I’m just going to say it old nads looks more like a creature than a human now I usually don’t like to make fun of people’s looks but in this case he’s got it coming they they picked the the one person in the world who looks the most like an actual monster like a troll you know if you were going to cast him you wouldn’t even put makeup on him you just say all right you’re nads you’re playing

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say all right you’re nads you’re playing the part of a troll who lives under the bridge and just wants to do bad things to people and he’ll be like all right I’ll I’ll go into the makeup truck I’ll I’ll be out in the few hours and they go oh no no no makeup needed we’re just going to change your shirt we’ll just put you in a different shirt everybody will know you’re a troll they’ll just look at you but now I think I’m being influenced by by his actions in other words if you just saw him in a business suit in a business meeting and he didn’t know who he was you wouldn’t have any of these troll like monster thoughts he would just be another guy in the suit but because of what he’s doing is so wrong wrong like so deeply wrong he’s he’s actually ruining the country for political means right in front of the country he’s actually attacking citizens of the country for whatever troll like

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of the country for whatever troll like benefit he thinks he’ll get it’s one of the worst things you’ll ever see in your life and the fact that we as Citizens are allowing this to happen as if it’s okay because it just sort of crept up on us you know you see oh somebody manifer got got pulled in well that makes sense he did some bad things and you see you know members of the administration pulled in and you say well that makes sense they’re members of the administration Congress has oversight yeah of course they need to talk to them now and then but you see somebody who’s not even working for the administration who’s just being bankrupted by the process and has already said he has nothing to say because he’s been talked to a few times already has presented all the documents that he has access to to to destroy that guy is just pure evil pure evil and so when I look at old nads I see a troll I see a monster and um I don’t know maybe you do

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and um I don’t know maybe you do too so I would like to open it up for comments but the only people I want to talk to this morning are people who still believe in the Charlottesville hoax now let me give you an update here I’ve been um chatting on Twitter with David Pacman who is one of the people who believed the Charlottesville fine people hoax believed that the president was talking about the neo-nazis when he said fine people that’s the way it’s reported of course that’s ridiculous and never happened but he believed it now I went through my usual defense and I talked about this yesterday where he he seems to have gotten off of the the idea I’m I don’t want to read too much into his mind but in terms of our Twitter exchange it seems like once he was presented with the argument he backed off the thought that the president was ex explicitly saying that the neo-nazis

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ex explicitly saying that the neo-nazis were fine people so I think we saw a public example where someone would believed that hoax and then was talked out of it in public I think it’s a first I don’t know anybody else who who’s going through that process in public um but in the end he didn’t back off criticism in general so his his last position based on the last tweet was that the president um didn’t didn’t handle it right in the sense that there might have been a little too much hesitation for example so that’s a whole different criticism that’s a very different criticism and it’s one that’s you know harder to argue against because you know it’s the hardest thing to argue against you should have done it sooner have you ever been in a

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sooner have you ever been in a relationship with someone and you know you you do the right thing whatever the right thing is you tell somebody something that you needed to tell tell them you fix something you apologize for something so let’s say you do the right thing you’re in a relationship have you ever heard this why didn’t you do it sooner so that’s a chapter in my upcoming book loser think if you ever find yourself asking why didn’t you do it sooner you are penalizing good behavior penalizing good behavior um do you ever give flowers to your romantic partner only to have your romantic partner jokingly say oh what do you feel guilty about uh I did it was the last time she ever got flowers let me say that again in couple of relationships ago I think two relationships ago um I had a woman

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two relationships ago um I had a woman in my life who like to get flowers and so one day there was no no occasion I just got a bunch of flowers and gave gave her flowers because she liked flowers and what did she say she said oh what do you feel so guilty about flowers out of nowhere it’s not even Valentine’s Day this by the way is exactly what she asked me to do she asked me to make romantic gestures when it wasn’t you know a Valentine’s Day and so don’t don’t penalize people people who do the right thing is what I’m saying um yeah you can’t get pasted you should have done it sooner look look at all the look at all the men saying they had the same experience did you jump to a conclusion about the kid on the video um how many times do I have to

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video um how many times do I have to keep keep talking about that same Covington thing um who hurt you sooner all right so I think I was done with what I was saying um if there’s anybody here who still believes that the president of the United States called neo-nazis Fine people I would like to talk you out of it it on in this live format so if there’s anybody who still thinks let’s see who is waiting only virus Joe but I don’t think I have to talk you out of it all right so um if there’s anybody here who wants to argue with me that the president went in front of the public and said that neo-nazis are fine people that that actually happened anybody who believes that actually happened I would

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believes that actually happened I would like to invite you now to be talked out of it in public because I’ve figured out now the the exact U process for doing it the the best process for talking people out of it is first you show them that the quote was about people on both sides of the statue you show him you show that the president clarified and said no no I’m I’m debunking or I’m disavowing those neo-nazis completely so you show that he said it very completely and and then you ask this question do you believe that the president of the United States went on live TV and intentionally thought that praising neo-nazis who are chanting uh anti-semitic slogans thought that that would work out well because that’s what you’re saying you’re saying you think the president believed that praising neo-nazis in public clearly and on television would

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public clearly and on television would work out well so most people will stop right there and they’re like uh okay that’s crazy and then you say here’s the Killer and then you you say somebody’s saying are you anti-semitic I’m just going to block you even even for asking me if I’m anti-semitic that that gets you a block um because the question is an accusation so you get you get blocked for that uh um so then the second thing you do is you say and you think that Israel didn’t notice right so why is it that Israel who was the best detector of anti-Semitism did not criticize the president for being an anti-semite and in fact love him and put up his pictures and he moved the embassy to Jerusalem and Israel loves him why do you think that is what why is it that you think you’re good at spotting anti-Semitism

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you’re good at spotting anti-Semitism when first of all it’s obvious he didn’t say that cuz nobody would say that and secondly if he did how amazing would that be in terms of you know un unlikely and yet Israel is okay with it Israel is it because Israel is shy then here’s the other point how many times does this president president Trump change his Minds about an opinion if he had said it once would he say it again obviously um obviously if this president said something once he would say it again when asked is that what you meant he said absolutely not he said I disavow the neonazis I’m not talking about them has that ever happened before have you ever seen this President just change his opinion

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President just change his opinion because it was unpopular no what is the main thing that people are complaining about the border security that the president keeps talking about crime the crime coming across the border if he keeps talking about crime coming across the border and everybody keeps saying the way you say that sounds racist don’t you think if the only thing he cared about was sounding not racist he would change how he talks about the Border but he doesn’t because he doesn’t give a rat’s ass what you think about it if he has an opinion he just keeps it so if he had ever meant and obviously he didn’t mean it but if he had ever meant that neo-nazis are fine people the one thing I guarantee you is he would have said it again and when asked he would have said yeah that’s exactly what I mean but he didn’t say it and that’s why he wouldn’t repeat it didn’t happen once didn’t happen twice

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um somebody says you’re very wrong Scott he cares deeply what people think about him that is a ridiculous statement so I hear this a lot from the critics that he’s thin skinned and he he cares more than other people is the implication that he he extra cares about what people think of him number one everybody cares what people think about them and if you don’t there’s something wrong with you okay so everyone cares because it matters to your performance it matters to your career it matters to your political Effectiveness so what people think of him is really really important and it would be really really important for every person now beyond that does he do things which he knows will be effective but will make a lot of people angry at him all the time he more than anybody else doesn’t care how angry you are at him as long as it doesn’t matter to the outcome

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long as it doesn’t matter to the outcome so what you miss is that when it matters to the income he it matters to the outcome maybe the income too but if it matters to his performance he cares what you think if it doesn’t matter he doesn’t care what you think so that’s very different than being sensitive and caring what you think he cares when it matters otherwise obviously it doesn’t seem to make much difference what about an cter so the an couter thing I think you have to understand who both the players are and the way I see the an couter thing is uh I I hate to I hate to give up The Jig here but it’s a little bit bad cop good cop you see that right an Coulter represents the extreme bad cop for you know depending on your point of view it would be bad cop for the border the president

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be bad cop for the border the president would like to go further in her Direction but politically it’s it’s hard so she comes out hard against him and it gives him something to push against so she’s actually a very productive part of the conversation um I know it doesn’t look that way but I would also be surprised if Trump sees her as completely uh a negative because I think that as long as she’s making the extreme case everything else he does seems like a um seems like he’s being moderate so um I think he enjoys pointing out the difference so she calls him an idiot he calls her a wacky but none of these are too personal are they they’re not really that personal it’s almost as if they both know what they’re doing so uh no matter what you want to

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doing so uh no matter what you want to say about an couter there are some things which are just frankly objectively true she’s really really smart so whatever else you want to say about whether you agree with her disagree with her don’t like her opinions or character whatever else you want to say about her that would be your opinion but one thing that’s true she’s really really smart so if you factor that in here I think it’s more like two people who know that their current positioning is what helps them most Uh andan coulter’s current positioning helps her most is consistent with all of her other positioning she’s got a base she’s got a market she’s got people buy her books for exactly those opinions she’s she’s staying consistent the president because he’s in a political realm doesn’t have the luxury of having some pure ideological ideas he’s got a compromise so having her over here as the

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the uncompromised extreme in for immigration gives him more space to operate so having her dislike him is a plus it’s a plus um all right let’s see if there’s anybody here who wants to argue with me about um um Dante let me take I’m adding a guest I can’t tell your name so we could be we could be surprised when my guest comes on hello guest guest can you hear me guest I think my guest went away did not want to come on so let’s try

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Dante Dante are you there hello Dante good morning how are you good morning I’m good man loving the show I I had a quick question a little bit off the subject what how do you feel about the government um legalizing um the compound phosy and and DMT to help us wake up spiritually in this uh Spiritual Awakening as far as getting away from politics how do you feel about that yeah DMT for those of you who don’t know would be a hallucina sort of like a LSD correct Vibe and scientists have my understanding is that science is pretty um pretty certain that DMT in particular has extraordinary medical value extraordinary like like really really impressive medical value right and the RIS and the risks are quite manageable you know compared to compared to other meds I guess you know the risk is quite manageable um so I would say

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is quite manageable um so I would say it’s it’s a tough sell in terms of getting politicians to agree with it but I’m absolutely on board assuming that what I understand about the risks is reasonably accurate so I do think the government has some responsibility to make sure that they don’t you know legalize something that’s horrible but I think if they look into it they’re going to find out it you know under certain sit situations maybe only with Doctor care that the benefits are probably extraordinary and it it borders on almost criminal negligence to make that stuff illegal given the benefits I think you’d agree Dante wouldn’t you I I totally agree I think that a lot of us um a lot of us are coming into a conscious uh Awakening due to uh the movement of celestial bodies and we’re coming to the realization and and uh we’re breaking the mold and it’s a beautiful thing a lot of a lot of us young people were breaking the mode we’re coming into the understanding and

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we’re coming into the understanding and we’re we’re breaking through uh the Pol the political system and trying to get back to ourselves so that’s that’s a that’s a real hard thing to be able to try to B bance who we are as Divine beings and as well as balance us you know as far as in this in this system in this system that we caught in as far as the Matrix so I I was just my question was uh uh was pertaining to pertaining to that and and getting back to ourselves and how do we break free of that political structure even if it’s possible yeah um yeah I think I think hallucinogens have a place especially you know not just for people have specific mental situations and apparently it can help in those cases if medically supervised I’m going to add medically supervised as a as a big you know uh criteria here um but yeah I think it also changes our understanding of what’s possible so changing your understanding of what’s possible is hugely beneficial and thank

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possible is hugely beneficial and thank you Dante I’m G to take the call all right bye all right look for somebody who wants to um let’s try Harrison here looking for somebody who wants to argue about um the fine people I doubt I’ll find any I don’t think anybody’s gonna uh argue with me on that point but let’s see all right uh caller can you hear me caller hey Scott sure can good to talk to you hey hi do you have a question hey I do um so and it’s not about the uh not about anything to do um so it’s about the transports so uh specifically about the arbitrary nature of rules right so if we’re if we’re talking Sports at what point are we going to draw a line and to me I think the difference between men and women would be a pretty good line to draw well it’s uh that’s that’s fine you

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draw well it’s uh that’s that’s fine you could draw that line but when somebody has transformed from biological male to Fem female they’re they’re female so as as long as we’re in control of how we Define stuff we can Define it any way we want now so the argument would be not what should the rule be you have to go deeper and say why what what is the purpose of sports what are you trying to accomplish because so you’re trying you’re trying to you’re trying to actually you’re trying to show people the best of whatever set of rules that you’re operating under right so if you’re operating under the male female definition of the rule you’re now looking at something that’s comparable across genders right you’re you’re able to to compare the best women as defined by biology against the best women yeah but why why do you care about that uh because I enjoy watching the highest quality performance across both men and

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quality performance across both men and women so I’ll take volleyball for example hold on hold on let me ask a question right sure what but why is that important you you’ve you’re defending a random standard and the standard is biologically born men versus biologically born women and I understand you might enjoy watching that show but there’s no natural law there’s no constitutional there’s no reason that one of them cannot be you know if if one person on the field was born male and transitioned to female it doesn’t ruin anything nothing’s ruined well but it changes the nature of the sport though right so if we’re if we’re creating two sets of separate rules already right we’re we’re talking about a male Sport and a female sport so that’s a set of that is a set of hold on hold on I’m I’m gonna stop you because it sounds like you’re going back down the same path of just saying something like rules are rules and rules should be

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like rules are rules and rules should be rules and how about those rules Give Me A Reason give me a reason that does not have to do with a rule well so the the argument I guess is is under the fact that rules in sport are arbitrary right so there’s no there’s no value to sport you can’t do it well no I’m asking I’m asking you to answer the question without talking about rules tell me there’s not because because if we’re if we’re talking safety if we’re talking we’re talking that that’s that’s an argument that we agree on wait are you wait are you’re saying uh if it’s a if it’s a bad match to be a safety issue no no I’m saying that that would not be a safety issue I’m I’m that and I’m not trying to put an argument that you agree with in your mouth right so we’re not talking safety we’re talking about the enjoyment for people watching the sport is that is that the purpose of sports right absolutely it’s the purpose of sports now would you say that’s the purpose of high school sports or just professional sports uh well so high school sports are

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sports uh well so high school sports are liazon to professional sports for a small minute percentage of the population right so we could forget about the small minute are are high school and college sports for the benefit of the spectators uh well it depends on what you define as yeah yeah absolutely so parents parents gain yeah we’re not talking monetary benefit why else would it exist part of it that’s part of it but that’s not the purpose of high school sports the purpose of high school sports is the benefit of the kids okay all right so in so without talking about rules what’s the the Ben what what’s wrong with having remember it would be a rare thing you might have one transgender on one team somewhere on a woman’s team so pick any example and tell me what’s wrong with it pick a specific sport tell me why why there’s something wrong with it it’s better if you pick a specific sport okay so I’ll um I’ll use wrestling for example uh

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um I’ll use wrestling for example uh wrestling in high school uh men and women at this point or young young adults right their testosterone is kicked in and there’s a difference between a male wrestler and a female wrestler correct okay now I watched my stepson wrestle in high school and although they they wrestle in I guess weight class or age or something like that but because of his muscle development being very low he was it was like a an adult with a the rag doll every time he got in there he was just pushed around like a rag doll and it wasn’t even close to being um to being a Fair competition now so would you agree that it’s typical for competitions and wrestling is a perfect example where the the better wrestler is just way outclasses the lower level wrestler it’s not even close would you say that would be common yeah abolutely

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say that would be common yeah abolutely so what would be the difference if one of them happened to be born biologically male uh well so again we’re back to the back to the same argument about a rule right so we’re we’re trying to maximize benefit in this situation for the kids involved now as soon as as soon as you talk about rule that’s that’s the only thing that doesn’t make sense because you there’s no reasons R the rule is what what you get to after you have a reason so give me the reason and then we’ll make then we’ll make a rule around what are you what are you trying to accomplish so I’m trying to Ma so at this point I’m trying to maximize the benefit for all the children involved in the wrestling the sport of wrestling in high school so so we’re only talking about children in this case well yeah I mean so if we’re talking professional we can we can create an argument for the benefit there but if we’re only talking about children in high school so high school children high school children and there’s one person who is uh who was born biologically male who’s who’s competing against the women now if you’re one of the

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the women uh born biological women and uh it’s your turn to wrestle with this person who was born biologically male but is transitioned could you have the option of not wrestling um so you can but you default the uh so you default so so now so now you’re undermining the entire the entire um do what so my my stepson once uh lost a wrestling match when he was 14 do you think that changed his life in any way no no no no of course not we’re so these these sports are all meaningless things if somebody doesn’t want to wrestle a person for any reason they don’t have to and not like money that’s not that’s not true though because there because we have we are talking about potential for development in participation through sport whether they’re not talking about we’re not talking about monetary benefit there’s the ability to manage your time

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the ability to manage your time differently the ability to push yourself differently that sport does help children with so if you’re now pushing a kid out who’s going to receive some life benefits to it even if they’re not going to be professional in that that could be pushing somebody out because they’re like well I don’t really want to be participating in a physical altercation with somebody of the opposite sex at 14 years old if if you go to a a wrestling match high school wrestling match you’ve got you know hundred I think of matches that happen in that building in any given day there might be exactly one transgender person who might have had three matches scheduled and of hundreds if those three people say ah let’s say two out of three say you know I’m out I don’t want to wrestle this this is not fair to me let’s say they just forfeit big deal right but so why is that why is that fair to the person who’s forced to quit why are why are we holding the individuals who are being forced out because of a a true concern

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forced out because of a a true concern about wrestling with a male why is it better to hold the transgender person and their interests above other people why um because everything’s unfair so why would why hold on why would it be fair that my stepson wrestled with people who were far more far better at it and basically they were they were genetically better at it because they had you know different muscle structure Etc right absolutely and yeah and and that going to be the case when you’re talking about human differences no matter what my argument is is we’re GNA we need to draw a line somewhere right because we’re we’re creating something to interact with other people with right in some capacity correct uh so you’re back to rules but yet if if the reasons aren’t good you don’t need to talk about the rules so the reason is it would be unfair is that your reason

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yes I guess a that’s a fair way right so it would be unfair makes it like every other sporting event all the time everywhere they’re all unfair they’re all unfair because it’s good players against less good players there’s nothing fair about that that’s the whole point of it is you know that there’s a Shaquille O’Neal is that fair that he’s over seven feet tall right but there so so no so no it’s not fair but there’s also no instance where a woman could compete with a Shaquille oia right so I I’d like to have the opportunity for women what’s that got to do with anything so because because women will be overshadowed right so if we’re if we’re trying to maximize the benefit between men and women right we’re kind of changing the changing the argument now we’re trying to maximize the potential benefit for either the high school students or the professional athletes and so your your strongest argument is that it wouldn’t be fair but you would admit that all of sports is unfair all the time by Design absolutely because

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the time by Design absolutely because we’re because I mean but that’s that’s human nature in general everything AR all the time so if you argument that fa the argument is fairness and it’s not fair anywhere at any time it’s not a standard so you’re saying that the standard that doesn’t exist in sports should exist but I don’t know why I don’t know why you’re limiting it to sport because human nature every everything in in the world is unfair in some capacity so we use rules Define that now you agree with me okay so I’m I’m watching the comments come in and um I Pro I probably have never been more universally disagreed with on any point so people are all on your side by the way I’m just watching I understand but so I guess part of part of my question right is if you are going to draw a rule somewhere in life which we always do right like we we anytime we interact right we’ve create a set of rules a set of hierarchies that’s just

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rules a set of hierarchies that’s just the way the world and why do and why do we set rules to maximize utility right and the so the utility you would agree that the utility of high school would be different than the utility of professional sports right correct okay but but there’s I think there’s a lot more overlap and a lot more benefit to creating a of rules right or a hierarchy or maximizing utility through a set of Standards think that set of Standards is a fair a fair standard to make what makes that a fair standard it’s it’s you’ve you’ve decided the answer and then you work backwards You’ decided it’s unfair for for these two individuals to compete and then you’ve worked backwards to say well it would be unfair well so so I would say I would say that the medical studies over the years right that have shown a clear statistical difference between the body composition of men and the body of women so you would also say that uh the guy

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so you would also say that uh the guy who beat my stepson in wrestling should not be allowed to compete because he was really muscular no because no because he is he is bound by one of two Frameworks male and female and there’s distributions within those hold on if if I studied if I did a DNA test on my my late stepson and I did a DNA test on the kid who kicked his ass in in a wrestling competition you would you would you would likely find that they have different genetic muscle composition there are some people who just have you know more strength per muscle you know they have you know the the the endurance versus the sprinting Etc why why should people with such different physicality be in the same group isn’t that unfair because there’s no no way he was going to beat that kid right so if you want to if you want to draw a line at trying to create fairness across everything in sport then that’s then that’s a conversation we can have

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then that’s a conversation we can have and then removing women’s sports from this is is an option right like that don’t that part of the but but don’t you either have to accept that unfairness is a an essential nature of sports and competition or you have to get rid of it all those would be the wa so but so but so the caveat I so the issue I have with that statement is you’re drawing a caveat Around Just Sports I don’t I don’t understand why that is the is that what we’re talking sport right but I’m saying why is that why is that a problem in sports but it’s not a problem in all of life right so life is inherently unfair so we draw rules to create uh rule so we we draw rules so humans can interact together in the best possible way and and when you agree that we can adjust those rules whenever it makes sense absolutely or or utility so so we could whether or not it’s wise or we should but we could adjust the rules so somebody born

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adjust the rules so somebody born biologically male who transitions would be allowed to compete on some women’s teams and maybe it depends on the team so there might be a difference between football I don’t know if there’s much women’s football but they might make so so so it doesn’t exist I’ll give you a little bit of background myself I’m actually personally an SEC an ex SEC athlete with a degree in data science so I have a I have a very strong benefit that has come from me in the Athletics field but I’ve also seen the massive amounts of negatives of going through this path that you talk wait but but hold on for a second every time you bring the argument back to but you have to understand that these biologically born males have a great Advantage you’re not really on the argument because that’s the part everybody agrees on and and I found that people keep going back to that as if I somehow didn’t agree with the most obviously true thing right no and I’m not and I’m not claiming that you disagree with that point so can can we can we start from the understanding

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we can we start from the understanding that it’s an it’s a great Advantage absolutely 10% now then would it be true that other people who are let’s say just men on a man’s team there would be men who have great advantage and if you were looking at women’s sports if you look at the women who often are winning these Sports you look at them and you say well no wonder they’re winning they’re they’re bigger they’re stronger you know it’s obviously we’re born with some advantages so would you say that people having an an pretty big Advantage is the normal and accepted way of sports that having AB absolutely there is a there’s a biological requirement to be in the top percentile in athletics okay so what you’ve described so far is lacking a reason you’ve you’ve completely you’ve completely given up on the reason and no no the reason is that the tales don’t

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no the reason is that the tales don’t overlap right so that the tales of the female distribution does not overlap with the tales of the male distribution all right that’s just word salad now so I’m GNA I’m gonna go to another color because you’ve you’ve kind of lost the trail here all right let’s try somebody else on a different topic um by the way once you get to the word salad you have to you have to back out does anybody I’m looking at your names and trying to see uh if anybody would argue me on something else all right I’m g i g to ask virus Joe to come in here just because you’ve been so patient Joe are you you there virus Joe good how are you got a question bad not too bad um I just uh wanted to say again thank you uh you’re awesome you are my uh joy in the morning especially when you’re cursing so please do more of that I love it um but I had a question more

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I love it um but I had a question more on the lines of basically um you you had mentioned in the past about drug dogs and their use with fent andol and you know if it was possible for them to I think to actually able to um you know sense that and then the possibility of parents as well too well uh my my mom and family and police that she’s trained dogs for the FBI the all the agencies basically the local police sheriff’s department everything like that as well and um one of the things that you know obviously dogs can be hurt by fentanyl you know they they smell it or anything like that it gets in contact with them just like a human and it’ll hurt them very badly of course um but the one of the the biggest changes that I think could save lives has to do with law um here in North Carolina if you wanted to bring a dog in say if you if you know like for ourselves if we had a drug sniffing dog um because hers is trained on cadavers drugs everything literally um you know

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drugs everything literally um you know and if you brought in that dog you would have to you are legally obligated to to call the police once you find something or have a sense that something is there if the dog hits on something um if you call the police instead again they’re legally obligated to arrest you so it sort of creates a big blockade of people you know in that hard situation of well I want to stop my kids from doing drugs whether it’s fentanyl or any other type of drugs uh but I can’t I I don’t want them to go to jail like is there a less sort of a sentence and and they’re sort of stuck in a limbo area and I don’t know what laws are in all other states but I know that’s created a huge problem um just by itself because dogs of course you know sense uh smells they they sense every individual smell they don’t just smell fental is like one object they smell like literally say if they were eating or smelling a salad they would smell the tomatoes the lettuce the onions everything like that as well okay

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onions everything like that as well okay um well thank you for that comment yeah the laws probably do need to be adjusted I’ve understood that the a little bit of f otherwise they die there’s actually a big risk to the dogs if they become full any other change or persuasion that could be used for that yeah I guess I don’t know enough about this field but you you point out something that sounds like it’s worth looking at so thank you for that um so I’m I’m enjoying watching the comments so um so those of you who watched my conversation with the caller who was arguing uh against transgender uh sporting um give me your give me your comments I want to see what the uh the poll looks like so I’m I’m seeing most of the people who say that the the

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of the people who say that the the caller smoked me here’s what I heard and and this is pretty and people are saying it wasn’t word salad um I’m pretty sure I understand what word salad looks like and here’s what it would not look like here’s what it would not look like what is your standard for sports let’s say the standard is entertainment does a transgender add to or subtract from the entertainment in any real way now that would be an argument with a point you know professional sports are about entertainment transgender either does or does not affect the quality of the entertainment product you could have an argument on that here’s another one uh there’s a physical risk to the people playing against the biologically born male transgender they have a physical risk that they wouldn’t have playing against other women that would be an argument I would listen to that argument and I

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would listen to that argument and I would also say well it depends on the sport tennis no problem you know full contact football you MMA maybe you choose not to fight against somebody like that who would who would physically hurt you um but when you you saw him going in circles on but but but we have rules none of that is on point none of it about why we have rules has anything to do with anything because that’s the answer you have to start with what’s the point of this competition if the point of the competition was to build character in kids would you argue that having one transgender that you’ve ever even met like one team one place has one transgender uh athlete would that ruin it for everybody probably not probably make them understand the world a little better um and you know sure there’s one person who doesn’t make the team but that’s the way all teams work there’s

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that’s the way all teams work there’s always one person who didn’t make the team who wishes they had so I would say that if you see somebody arguing a tough tight argument where they say okay the point of the competition is building character let’s say high school sports and does the transgender add or subtract to that and once you develop that is there any other point that matters see that would look like a good argument to me no matter how it came down it would look like a rational argument if it’s professional you say well this is mostly about entertaining the public you it’s not really about building character for the athletes they already have character they wouldn’t be there um so it’s entertainment does the transgender add to or subtract now that would be a good argument but you did not hear the caller take either of those arguments you saw him just chasing himself in circles and trying to and trying to say the word rule as many times as possible and stuff

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rule as many times as possible and stuff like fairness but fairness is not one of the standards Fair fairness is not what builds character in fact sometimes it’s the opposite of fairness that builds character fairness is not necessarily what makes Sports in general entertaining because there’s so much unfairness into it you’d miss it if it weren’t there if you didn’t have Michael Jordan unfairly better than everybody you played against it wouldn’t be nearly as fun so uh for those of you who believed that what he said wasn’t word salad compared to what a real argument looks like and then think about it because if you’re talking Concepts and rules and philosophy and stuff you’re not really on point all right that’s enough for now I’ll will talk to you all tomorrow