Episode 429 Scott Adams: A Possible Path Out of TDS Forming in the Zeitgeist, More

Date: 2019-02-24 | Duration: 52:37

Topics

“Zeitgeist” Whiteboard - The common enemy of GOP and DEMS An awakening in progress. Am I being lied to by the media? You can’t trust anything you’ve heard You can’t trust anything that’s been reported America is within a “bubble of influence” The media and how they report, shapes our opinions President Trump is promoting worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality Climate Change claims, BS or valid concerns? Item 1: Sea levels rising Item 2: Natural Disasters Places we can measure accurately, don’t show climate change MIGHT be a coincidence, but it’s interesting

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hey everybody come on in here today might be the best coffee with Scott Adams you've ever seen that's especially true if it's the first one so get in here gather around grab your mug your cup your chalice your Stein your glass your thermos fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the simultaneous
sip ah good stuff today will be the most interesting coffee with Scott Adams that you've ever spent that's probably true well I'll see if I can live up to that but the way I have it planned it'll be the best one youve ever seen so far let us start with the notion that uh CNN has picked Cala Harris as their Heir

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CNN has picked Cala Harris as their Heir Apparent for you know the the Hillary Clinton Clinton replacement if you will the person that they would like to see nominated for the Democrats and the person they'd like to see President and here's a hilarious little thing I saw this morning so SE Cup over at CNN was talking about how the there will be lots of bad stories coming out about the Democratic candidates as part of the political process and that as the bad stories about the Democrats come out it could be good for president Trump just by staying out of the the blast zone so she was making that overall point that they would be you know cannibalizing each other and then she gives the the she gives a uh four uh examples all right now these are four examples allegedly of Democrats cannibalizing each other one is there

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cannibalizing each other one is there was a vintage Bernie Sanders footage showing showing Bernie Sanders long ago talking praising breadlines you've probably seen that right all right so Bernie Sanders takes a hit because there's an old video of him praising breadline then they talk about Amy clober how she ate her salad with a comb so that's a story that makes Amy cloar look bad so now Sanders looks bad because of the bread lines cloar looks bad because eating her salad with a com and then um then she talks about how the Democrats are going to have to support uh reparations as sort of a litness test on how that could be bad now here's the one they give about Cala Harris right so this is a list of things that make Democrats look bad and here's Kamala Harris on the list and here's the thing that makes her look bad according to CNN uh she said she will never apologize

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CNN uh she said she will never apologize for prosecuting rapists murderers and child
molesters what that sounds kind of good to me what that that's on CN list of things that sound bad about Democratic candidates does it sound bad that she's not going to apologize for prosecuting rapist murderers and child blessers what the hell I don't even understand I don't even understand how this could have happened it's it's so far from any kind of a balanced treatment it's just hilarious it's literally a list of bad things about the candidates and the one thing they put about on there about Cala is unambiguously positive to everyone there's no one on the other side of you know wanting to go soft on murderers and rapists and child lesard so that was kind of mindboggling and hilarious so watch for that more of

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and hilarious so watch for that more of [Music] that the uh latest Trump derangement syndrome is article in CNN and I'm not even going to mention who wrote it because it's it's somewhat
irrelevant and the the speculation in the CNN article was that President Trump might not step
down excuse me still getting over a little bit of the
the flu that uh Trump might not step down after he loses according to them uh for reelection now let me give you some perspective when Obama was in his first term a friend of mine a very Republican friend uh actually bet me $500 that Obama would lose reelection and he would he would refus to step down and he would become a dictator I won for

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dictator I won for $500 because when he said it I thought myself that doesn't sound like a political opinion that sounds like some kind of Obama derangement syndrome so I said are you serious you actually want to bet me $500 that Obama will not step down and that he will also lose reelection that's that's an actual bet and so I took that bet to his credit my Republican friend paid his bet he paid me $500 cuz he believed that Obama was going to be become a dictator and stay in office now the situation is reversed and now we see some some Democrats literally believing that Trump might try to hang on to power if he lost the election now that to me because I'm not in any kind of derangement situation feels like just

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situation feels like just crazy and so we're going to talk about Trump derangement syndrome in a moment but first I want to hit a couple of other uh
uh notes um are you watching all the stories about the Catholic church I'm starting to the Catholic church is sort of looking like um Russia collusion in the sense that there this this continuous stream of
uh let's sip again I see calls for more sivage get ready simultaneous
ah um so we're watching the Catholic Church deal with all these allegations of sexual abuse against kids mostly and it's just one thing after another coming out now we now we hear that um documents may have been destroyed or never drawn up and that the numbers are growing and lives are being ruined and it's

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ruined and it's just sounds like just one of the mo most horrible things I've ever ever heard of but here's the only thing I wanted to to point out every time I see a high official of the church or even any kind of a uh you know just a priest talking about the issue are you having the same impression that I'm having and I just want to put this out there is it my imagination and I think it is by the way so I think this is confirmation bias what I'm going to talk about and I want to I want to ask you if you're experiencing the same confirmation bias that when I see a high official of the church talking and I look at that person they look like pedophiles to me is that just me is anybody having the same experience that the the top top officials who are talking about this are

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officials who are talking about this are starting to look like pedophiles now I believe that this is confirmation by us right meaning that you know 20 years ago if I looked at a picture of somebody was a priest or a bishop or something I never would have had that thought but now because the news is just pushing the onus non-stop it's like you know Catholic Church Catholic Church uh you know this problem is Catholic church so look at look at some of the other comments and you can see that a number of people are having the same experience not all of you you looks like quite a few people are saying no to it but I'm actually having the feeling that they all sort of look like what I imagine a sexual abuser pedophile looks like so I'm guessing that that's just my confirmation bias and I wanted to see if other people are having the same experience and it looks like some of you are somebody says pedophiles don't have

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are somebody says pedophiles don't have a look Scott I agree with what the commentor said that pedophiles and sex abusers do not as far as I know do not have an identifiable look but why does it feel like it why do they why do they register to me like they have that look it's got to be confirmation bias right presumably all right um let's talk about the zeitgeist do you know what the Zeitgeist is uh the Zeitgeist is a German word I've said this before uh because we don't have an English word that that c that captures it and zist is that Collective feeling that the public or Society has so there some things that may be unstated but we're all starting to think in a similar way that's the Zeitgeist it's sort of that hardto Define shift in

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it's sort of that hardto Define shift in people's thinking that may or may not already be in the headlines so the zeist can move before the headlines move all right and there's a really interesting thing starting to form in the Zeitgeist now before I describe it to you let me tell you why I'm qualified to analyze the Zeitgeist the reason I'm qualified to analyze the zist is that's what I do for a living that's literally my job I have to look at the public figuring out figure out how they're feeling what they're already thinking you know the the common thoughts and then I try to turn that into a comic strip that you know hits that point or I turn it into a book that that hits the the feeling that people are having so um somebody's somebody's defining it as the spirit of the age that's a pretty good definition but that's a little new Agy it's

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but that's a little new Agy it's basically what people are feeling about stuff and that changes over time so there's an interesting thing forming in the Zeitgeist I won't be the first person to note this but I'll put a spin on it so remember when the Kavanaugh thing was in the news the Kavanaugh thing was one of those situations where even if you believed um even if you believed that c AOA did something bad in his high school you probably were also quite sure that at least the one about him you know being active as part of a a rape gang you probably knew that wasn't real so even if you thought any of it was real and some people did even the people who thought he did something wrong could see quite plainly that the news is not believable and that accusations are not always true because the one about the gang rape is so

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the one about the gang rape is so obviously not true my personal belief is that none of it was true but both sides saw in the kavanau thing the untrue things can derail people things from the deep past then we see Northam this was an interesting situation especially in the sense that uh the public seems to have um come down to the conclusion and this is primarily Democrats apparently that maybe we shouldn't take somebody's actions as a young person to mean as much as we've been doing lately in other words people were taking what I would call a more mature approach to Northam and specifically the African-American voters in Virginia who when ped were actually less negative to Northam than a lot of the the white people pulled so it's kind of a a maturing standard

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so it's kind of a a maturing standard which says in effect look if Northam hasn't been doing any racist stuff for the last 20 years if we haven't seen a trace of it in his public life and in fact he's been all on the correct side in his public life maybe this isn't the big deal that we thought it was now just bear with me I'm just going to hit all these points and then pull it together so the Public's Collective feeling is very negative about digging stuff up from somebody's 20year past and also in whether they should believe it and how much they should wait it all right so that's the thing then in this and then we also saw the prison reform Bill get approved it was a case where the you know both sides came together and the biggest theme from that the theme was um that you should forgive people even if they did something a long time ago so it

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they did something a long time ago so it was about giving people a second chance it was about letting people redeem themselves and so now we're we've got more sort of a a deeper feeling about things that happened a long time ago that may or may not be true first of all so now we've seen that the fake news can fool us and we've seen that maybe we should let people get better maybe we should say okay that was a mistake but you didn't kill anybody and now it's 20 years later and you've been good since then maybe we treat it differently that we saw the Covington situation which was just absolute fake news and now people who maybe maybe didn't believe there was such a thing as fake news started to believe right then there was the smaller thing and again it was fake news and people watch themselves being fooled but they also they also got to see things through the others point of view so here

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through the others point of view so here we see a bunch of people who are dealing with situations were watching the fake news the fake news um go from something you suspect is true to something you know is true right so at this point the idea of fake news is solid in everybody's head we can see it work on both sides right there's just all kinds of fake news my favorite part about the smalla thing was I hope I have his name right I think he was a supervisor of police in Chicago Eddie Johnson do I have his name right I'm operating from memory and if you remember I think it was Eddie Johnson talked about smallet and it was first of all he's really charismatic and he's just just a great character right um and he gave a uh let's say an emotional um description of of how bad it was in terms of not just the law but

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it was in terms of not just the law but sort of to you know the let's call it the fabric of society and I would say at this point correct me if I'm
wrong for one of the few times in history at least recent history when Eddie Johnson was talking about the smaller situation it felt like everybody who watched that was on the same side they were on Eddie Johnson's side it felt like weirdly even though you weren't paying attention to this the country sort of came together over Addie Johnson it was an amazing moment that I think got lost because we're we're focusing on the details of the case and it was more more exciting to talk about what smallet said or did or didn't do and talk about the Nigerians we got we got sort of got lost

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Nigerians we got we got sort of got lost in the details but think about it there was this moment when the entire country came together in their hatred of fake news and their their hatred of people who would abuse let's say um victim status everybody freaking hated it we came together on that point now keep in mind that we had some history getting up to it so the if the smaller thing didn't happen in isolation we'd seen some some situations here that felt like a bit of an inflection point a point where the country came together for a moment and realized are you ready for this and
and realized that we have a common enemy there's nothing that there's nothing that brings a nation together better than a common enemy and the common

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than a common enemy and the common enemy was the Press because the Press sold us this sold us that sold us this probably didn't even need to hear about Northam I mean we we could have all been just going on with our lives and never heard about what he did when 20 years ago or 1984 whatever we could have we could have been fine just never hearing about that so this is a point as small at when I think the people instead of fighting each other there was this moment where the Zeitgeist changed it felt like an inflection point a point where we were we we've been fighting each other and we realized wait a minute maybe we're being being influenced to fight each other maybe the Press is the enemy and we should be United against the fake news now here's what's coming the Russia

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now here's what's coming the Russia collusion thing is likely we don't know yet you know meller might surprise us but in all likelihood the signs seem to be fairly solid that the people who believed that Trump was colluding with Russia are going to learn again that the news is playing them they're being played for conflict to create conflict and by itself if this were the only story in the world probably it wouldn't change the Zeitgeist people would just say Oh I thought this was true it turns out it wasn't I'm glad we looked into it but when you start looking at the larger context even the people who are seriously anti-trump are going to start to feel am I being manipulated by the press the Press lied to me about Kavanaugh they didn't really need to bring up Northam Covington was a lie smallet was a lie holy crap is Muller a

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smallet was a lie holy crap is Muller a lie
lie too what would that do to your head if you believed the media was telling you the true story about Trump and about Trump supporters and then you start seeing The credibility of your Source just falling apart completely falling apart then what happens what happens when the president gets something like more progress with North Korea there are a lot of things that the president does that you can make a reasonable case was just luck or you know I'll give you the perfect example is the economy is great we typically give the president who's in charge you know credit for the economy after he's been in charge a few years so typically you would give Trump credit for a strong economy but there are plenty of smart people and I'm one of them who imagine that well maybe the economy would have been good anyway maybe not as good we

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been good anyway maybe not as good we don't know but I'll bet a president anybody would have had a pretty good economy right now just because things are going well in general so you could tell yourself okay I'm not going to give president Trump credit for the economy just cuz I don't know if it would be any different if someone else were in charge but North Korea is kind of special because North Korea is a situation assuming it keeps going in the right direction where it's hard to imagine another president could have gotten us to this point it would be hard to
to imagine that you know president Trump's spe specific skill set didn't didn't do this it looks like that's what that's the reason it's happening so the people who said to themselves wait a minute the Press has been telling me that this President is crazy and ineffective and lazy and impulsive and uninformed and all those things and he will surely do everything wrong but why is this going

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everything wrong but why is this going right and it's not just going right but it seems like there's a whole series of right steps like you can see a whole Trail of correct decisions that are different from what other people did so this was hard to write off and you're going to say to yourself wait a minute has the Press fooled me again is this is this President actually doing some things that are special they're clearly unique to his skill set and they're successful and they're big they're big deals yeah we saw the again the prison reform thing other administrations couldn't get it done this president did we saw you know Isis maybe you know you could argue maybe they would have been defeated by any other president but they got pretty beat down under under Trump Etc now not directly to the relevant to the fake news but the whole Venezuela situation which I do not think is a

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situation which I do not think is a direct analogy to anything that would happen in the United States but it sure feels that way and so you've got this whole slate of Democrats coming out saying let's let's do something that's more like socialism at the same time just by coincidence one of the biggest stories and the headlines is that socialism isn't working in a country that's very close to us so you're going to start doubting the value of the anti-trumpers message in terms of socialism just because of Venezuela now again I don't think that that's a good analogy I think Venezuela is just a special case with a dictator we don't have a dictator but it's going to feel like the Socialist message is less credible then you add on top of that I don't have it on my picture but the Catholic Church stuff and you're going to tell yourself wait a minute it seems or it's starting to seem like the Catholic church is a whole

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like the Catholic church is a whole bunch of fake news fake news in the sense that they were the um let's say the holders of morality so the fake news is starting to form at least in the Zeitgeist and at least in the way people are thinking about it is that you can't trust anything you can't trust anything you've heard you can't trust anything that's reported now if we can get people to understand how much they've been had and I think the Muller Situation's going to be
be a big part of that assuming that collusion is is sort of ruled out by that um the Charlottesville hoax Remains the biggest mental um falsehood the biggest hoax that the anti-trumpers still hold on to all right now for those of you who are new to my periscopes you may have also believed um the fake news that allegedly president Trump called

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that allegedly president Trump called the the white supremacist fine people that's is still reported on CNN as if that actually happened the truth of course is that the context was about the statues whether the Confederate statues should stay up or not that was the the reason for the Charlottesville event and the president said there were fine people on both sides of the debate the news illegitimately continues to report well did he say that the white supremacists are fine people no cuz there were a lot of people on both sides of the debate the white supremacists were a tiny amount of them they happen to be there at Charlottesville but nobody no president of the United States is going to come out and say I back the white supremacist he's certainly not going to do it when his own family is Jewish he's still not he's definitely not going to do it in front of Israel and then have Israel say you're the greatest Israel loves this President it's like did Israel not notice what CNN

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it's like did Israel not notice what CNN noticed how does Israel not notice if the president is praising white supremacists who are chanting anti-semitic things well the reason that Israel doesn't notice is that it didn't happen and that's obvious to them because they're not in our bubble of you know bubble of influence over here it's obvious to me and of course the president clarified it as clearly as possible no I disavow the white supremacist but you know obviously they're good people on both sides of the statue question so what I'm suggesting is that there there are two Futures coming together here sort of a schrodingers cat situation and the Mueller investigation when when there is a report and especially if it comes after something that that's positive in North Korea with North Korea there's likely to be one of two outcomes and maybe both one of them would be a

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and maybe both one of them would be a massive Resurgence of trump derangement syndrome like we haven't seen since the election itself and it could be big I mean it could be a big mental illness problem and that you're going to see people saying saying stuff like well sure maybe he didn't collude but I still have to be right so remember the time he ate a baby you know so the anti-trumpers are going to be concocting through confirmation bias crazy stuff in all likelihood that's where we're heading now remember I I I predicted the same thing at the election and I was as right as anybody can be right but there's a smaller possibility and I do think it's a smaller possibility let's say 20% just to put a size on it there is some possibility that a substantial number of the public is going to realize after the

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the public is going to realize after the meller thing shows no collusion how often they've been had they will see that all the things about the president being mentally unfit have not they did not bear out all of the thoughts about the world going to hell under Trump did not bear out everybody's working with him China is negotiating with him we'll probably get a good result there so they're going to say everything the news told me everything my side told me is not true and and we're even seeing you know the the president's um Administration doing a global um you know what do they call it they're they're trying to decriminalize um homosexuality in other countries trying to influence them to decriminalize so you can't look at this stuff and say oh he's the worst LGBT TQ president and also the only one doing a global effort to decriminalize homosexuality in other

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homosexuality in other countries you can't you can't Square those things so I think we may be reaching a cracking point where the people who were in the Trump derangement syndrome bubble are seeing so many pieces of evidence that they've been had by the people who run the media the people who who feed them their opinions it's going to be more more obvious than it has ever been that they've been manipulated and they might Rebel now it could be that some people will but not all it could be more of a massive change it could be a small change but there is at least the possibility and it's forming in the Zeitgeist that we have a common enemy you know the the Democrats and the Republicans have a common enemy it's the fake news take the issue

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enemy it's the fake news take the issue of border security the question of border security there was something that couldn't get solved even though both sides agreed we couldn't solve border funding in a context of both the Democrats and the Republicans like border border security always have always will and we still couldn't get it done why well mostly the effect of the the media the media has demonized Trump to the point where people who agree with him can't agree with him in public that's how how how crazy the Press coverage has been all right so there's some possibility that Trump derangement syndrome is either going to go bigger than it's ever been or could shrink but I think and and

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been or could shrink but I think and and I've said this before we're not we humans are not so good at knowing the difference between being on the edge of a disaster and being on the edge of a great success or a great good thing we can't tell the difference that you know you the saying it's always darkest before the dawn we're kind of at that darkest Place could get darker it could get
get darker but it also could be Dawn so let's look for that all right now let's talk about climate change you know that I promised that I would ask uh Tony heler noted probably one of the most prolific uh critics of climate change I asked him for his top five five climate change um points let's say top five points and uh I wanted him to focus his best five criticisms so that we could dig down and

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criticisms so that we could dig down and learn a little bit so I'm going to take just the first one now I will give tony a chance to uh be on the periscopes I've already invited him and when we schedule it we'll bring him up but I wanted give you my first impression of just the the first item and you should assume that when we talk about this topic of climate change whenever anybody tries to characterize someone else's argument they don't do it that well so I want to I want to apologize in advance if I mischaracterize Tony hel's argument likewise I apologize in advance if I mischaracterize the official climate change or NASA's opinion or Noah's opinion or whatever so Point number

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one all right and I'm going to give you a grade here so uh is about sea level and natural disasters and the question is this um the alarmist would say we're already seeing sea level rise and and that we can tell that uh uh climate change and human involvement in climate change with CO2 is the reason uh and with disasters that we're already seeing disasters that are worse so that would be the alarmist the Tony hel viiew and again I may be getting the characterization of this slightly off but I think it's in the ballpark that we have not seen sea level rise that can be attributed to climate change there is sea level rise but that that we've not seen it in a way that could be directly contributed to climate change and that in terms of natural disasters and storms of course they happen but we can't attribute it to climate change now my opinion on climate change has been that both sides are uh

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change has been that both sides are uh both sides are full of baloney on a lot of stuff so I said to myself all right well this should be easy enough to sort out I'll just Google see what the most official sources say compare it to what Tony Heller says and then see what seems more real so let me ask you this are you under the impression that the climate alarmists do make these claims is it is it your understanding also that the the climate science um consensus is accurately stated here that we're already we're already seeing sea level rise and that we know it's from CO2 from humans and that we're already seeing natural disasters or worse that is that is the official
right none of that is true all right here's this might be

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true all right here's this might be mindboggling to you but as far as I can tell they do not make this claim and they also don't make that claim in other words if you go to uh the Noah site so this is the government site no
no OAA and as I did and I looked for okay so if this is true then I'll just look for their argument and I go to look for the argument and sure enough the official Claim by the government is say sea level has been rising since I don't know 1900 or something so claim number one sea level is r ing true I'm pretty sure Tony says it's true and I'm pretty sure that the scientists say it's true but that's separate from whether it's rising higher than normal and that it's caused by climate change so I I look for the official government Noah estimate that the sea level is rising at a higher rate and sure enough it is so so Noah

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rate and sure enough it is so so Noah says that the rate is rising at a higher level than normal a faster rate and so I say to myself aha they the official word is that climate change is causing the sea level to rise at a higher rate and then in Noah's article this is the official government source for Seas things about the ocean right including sea level and here's this quote somebody named Gil who is associated with Noah he says we have to be careful about how much of the recent decades acceleration meaning the acceleration in sea level rise we attribute to global warming and how much to natural variability what and then Gil says the acceleration could be coming for more rapid melting of ice sheets or increasing ocean heat content that would be the climate change view but two decades is also within the time frame over which natural climate

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time frame over which natural climate oscillations can in influence Trends in global sea level in other words on the on the Noah page the most official source of what's happening with sea
sea [Music] level doesn't make the claim so this is something you see in the media but as far as I can tell it's not an actual claim [Music] so this is something we believe is a claim is not actually a claim there is not a claim by Noah the most official source and I think this was a 20 2014 article maybe this is something you might see in I know I suppose you'd see it in the Press but there is not an official claim that the sea level is rising and that climate science is already um is already identified as a Source it's not a

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claim all right so then you go to natural disasters can we already see that our natural disasters are getting worse well you probably think of course that's claimed all the time you know it's if you look at the Washington Post New York Times it's claimed all the time but as far as I can tell there is no official claim like this this seems to be just something the Press says if you look at Nasa I don't so I'm not saying it's false right so I'm not saying this is false I'm saying it's not an official claim there's no claim so my verdict is that these two claims are
BS right or BS but it's BS by the Press right it doesn't seem to be that these are

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doesn't seem to be that these are actually official claims of climate alarmists their claim is that you will see these things their claim is not that you have already seen it in a way that we can confirm they do sometimes say things such as it it might be caused by climate change we're worry that is caused by it's you know even some people probably say it's likely but it is not an IAL climate alarm uh claim that we've already seen rising sea level from climate change or that the storms and the natural disasters are worse it's just not a claim so Tony heler says there's you know he's uh so he's basically um accurate on this so I would say is accurate on this

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now unfortunately Tony heler has a couple of points working against him number one he makes an uh attributions about um he essentially he puts um a reason on why people are thinking these things that is not in evidence it's not a bad hypothesis and his hypothesis is that our our natural fear of big natural disasters is what's driving our our our alarm over these things that might be true but it's not an Evidence so I say that's a a knock against Tony's credibility because he does fairly consistently uh attribute motive or or internal mental processes to people that is not in evidence might be right but is not an evidence that works against his credibility secondly um in his very first point he

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secondly um in his very first point he includes a graph that shows that the uh I believe it's the number of times that the temperature in the United States has crossed 90° is actually declining so Tony in his first point in which he talks about this stuff shows a graph that um the United States temperature record shows a decrease in the number of days that are over 90° lately is that true or false well here's the problem climate scientists do not claim that the temperature in the United States is going up so Tony has cherry-picked a number you know the the United States measurement to counter the claims of global warming when in fact the global warming scientists do not claim that the United States in particular is the one is the one that's going up because it can go up in some

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going up because it can go up in some places down in some now the I believe the climate change people say that most of the warming would happen in the ocean and it would happen at the uh poles I may have that wrong but I think that's the claim so in other words the fact that the United States temperature does not show with this one cherry-picked uh thing does not show that warming does not refute climate alarm but Tony included this what I would consider a an obviously cherry-picked um and therefore misleading statement and so credibility wise um he even though his point is seems to be
be accurate his credibility is low so the so the uh when we'll talk about his other points in other um in other periscopes and we'll give him a chance to respond to all this I'm giving you my

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to respond to all this I'm giving you my first impression to to give him something to respond to so my first impression is that on this first set of questions the sea level and the natural disasters both sides are not credible all right so my claim all along is that I'm having trouble getting to an answer for myself you know a personal opinion of how how worried I should be because it seems to me both sides are lying to me and although one of those sides has to be correct I me one of them has to be correct so either climate warming from humans is either a big problem or it's not you it can't both be true and the fact that both of them are and I'm going to say lying with I don't want to put intent into their minds but in terms of what is believable both are selling me stories that I can't believe so it's hard for me to believe

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believe so it's hard for me to believe anything else they say if something they say is so obviously not true so here's my point I think Tony heler is accurate when he says we haven't seen the rising sea level because even the official experts say that and I believe he's accurate when he says we have not identified the natural disas to be caused by climate change because the experts also say that right but Tony does two things that lower his credibility on this topic one is to ascribe uh or to attribute you know mental processes that are not in evidence that people are trying to hide things or or people are alarmed and that's why they're acting that way he might be right but it's not an Evidence um and then cherry-picking uh the the one uh the one place the United States where you don't necessarily expect to see that much warming makes me wonder why did you pick

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warming makes me wonder why did you pick the one place that's not telling the story to tell the story now one of the things that um I'm I'm borrowing a little bit from other Skeptics here but here's here's a question I ask myself um apparently there are two places that we can ma measure things well one of those places and I'm looking for some fact checking here to tell me I'm wrong the best place to measure temperatures for an extended period of time is the United States so I think everybody would agree that the the vast number you know the biggest percentage of uh landbased measurement devices are in the United States and they've been here for the longest time and you know we have the best the best handle on those of any place else in the world by coincidence by coincidence the place we can best and most accurately measure the

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can best and most accurately measure the temperature there's no global warming detected now that does not violate the the idea that the the planet is warming because remember the the planet warming theory is that the warming is going mostly into the ocean so that that's not a landbased me measurement and it's going into the poles and the poles are not in the United States so but it is bothersome that the one place we can measure it best is also one of those places where the temperature isn't going up maybe but there's one other place that the temperature and here's a part you need to fact check me on I might be wrong about this but I believe that the satellites that we've had since 1997 um can measure the temperature of the upper troposphere if they can measure the upper troposphere what should it show well I

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troposphere what should it show well I don't think that the upper troposphere measurements show climate change but again that's not where the theory says that the warming is going to be the warming will be in the ocean and at the poles so the fact that we can you know we can more easily measure the troposphere that's not going to tell you that much because that's not where the warming is going anyway so the two places that we can measure well happen to be by coincidence the two places the warming is not supposed to be going now does that tell you that it's a big old fraud and you know it's not a coincidence that the places we can measure easily are also coincidentally not the places all the warming is supposed to go well you don't want to make too big a deal about that cuz that could be just a coincidence it could be yeah it could be nothing but a coincidence uh but it certainly it's one

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coincidence uh but it certainly it's one that raises a flag it's like why is it that all the places we can measure well we don't find the signal for climate change but don't make too big a deal about that cuz that could be just a coincidence all right there's lots more to be said on the topic but where I'm going to um I'm going to put a marker for Point number one of Tony hel's argument I would say he's the winner of the argument that we have not seen sea level um changes based on climate change because that's not even different from what the official story is and also he's right when he says we haven't seen the signal in natural disasters because that's also the official word and um but I would say his argument is lacking credibility in general because of two problems one he he puts uh unfounded

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problems one he he puts uh unfounded assumptions into why people are thinking the way they are and by the way I think he's right but there's no evidence for it the evidence meaning that people see natural disasters and they're more influenced by them because we're you know our minds are wired to be more afraid of giant natural disasters than about other things in life so I think that's a perfectly reasonable hypothesis but no data for that um and then secondly the fact that there's a cherry pick a graph that's Central to his argument even on this point and didn't even need to be there makes me doubt you know the The credibility of the graphs anyway okay so that's where we
we are
are um how does his thinking about motive hurt his actual data um it doesn't hurt the data and we'll have different conversations about the data so we haven't really talked about the data yet but we will uh I just

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about the data yet but we will uh I just I just want to do one and put it there now Tony will probably respond to this but I don't think he's going to disagree with the two points I made I don't think he'll disagree that his that his graph is cherry-picked and I don't think he'll disagree that there's no direct evidence that the only reason that people are worried about these natural disasters is their own mentality although I think that's a solid a solid hypothesis that if I had to bet you know if you put a gun to my head I'd say yeah it's because people are afraid of big disasters that's probably why just there's no evidence to it all right um and I'm going to end it there and we will talk to you later