Episode 418 Scott Adams: The Three Pillars of TDS

Date: 2019-02-16 | Duration: 42:06

Topics

A major news story was a fake news hoax…Charlottesville The 3 Pillars of TDS - Whiteboard 1. Charlottesville Hoax 2. Russian Collusion Hoax 3. “Crazy” President Hoax A Presidential candidate said something supporting the KKK? TDS…insane to believe that would ever happen Obviously nuts, yet intelligent people continue to believe David Duke recently announced his support for Rep Omar Does that mean Omar supports the KKK? Obviously not People CAN like things…for different reasons How can people believe President Trump is an anti-semite? Wouldn’t Israel have noticed if that was even possible? NO Jewish leader in America believes it The leader of Israel, PM Netanyahu…doesn’t believe it President Trump’s Jewish family members…don’t believe it Mike Cernovich and I were both called “far right” in a national story We became part of the news Notice that they DON’T report me saying… …Charlottesville was a fake news hoax Every major media outlet follows my Periscope broadcasts Controversial and newsworthy to say Charlottesville Hoax Won’t be reported, cause they’re invested in the hoax Prediction: Independents are having their cake, and eating it too BUT…in the 2020 election booth, accomplishments matter Unaccomplished objectives possible, but he gives it his all Signing up to be an expert, or to find expert advice on WhenHub New feature allows DONATIONS to support these broadcasts

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but I'm pom pom pom pom hey everybody I see there are people joining right now I hope you're running to get your beverage I'm a little late they overslept I barely know what's going on if you'd like to see me when I've just woken I've just awakened I've just waked up awoke and I've just awoken or awakened I've done one of those things I'm really tired this is what I'm saying but I'm not so tired that I cannot enjoy the simultaneous sip with you indescribable please sexy and smart people so please grab your cup your mug your chalice your stein your thermos if you will your classier your container of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me for the simultaneous lip that's good ahh I

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simultaneous lip that's good ahh I always look tired somebody says probably right alright umm now I've been I've been arguing with people on Twitter which is I suppose the same as being on Twitter arguing people with people on Twitter over the Charlottesville hoax and I wanted to put some stuff in context here the Charlottesville hoax the hoax part of it is that the very fine people comment referred to white supremacist so that that's the hoax part because obviously he was talking about obvious to you but not to the rest of the world apparently it's obvious that when he said they were fine people on both sides he meant both sides of the Confederate statue issue not antiphon versus white supremacist but together there are three things which form the

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there are three things which form the Trump derangement syndrome support structure so it's not that these are the only things that people think about a president Trump but I would say these are the three strong pillars and they're all starting to fall apart so if you think about it there was the Charlottesville hoax which is really the I would say the proxy for people's belief that the president is a big ol racist now they have lots of what they think are sort of coincidences or things that happened 30 years ago or you know so they have lots of confirmation bias II you know reasons but there's really one reason that is the it's the I would say it's the leader of all the reasons and that's the belief which is a hoax that it was a hoax and it was the belief

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that it was a hoax and it was the belief that the president actually called the way supremacist five people now this one is very strong and I'm gonna get back to in a minute but let me just talk about the others there's there Russia collusion which it looks like it's gonna fall apart in the next month or so so let's say that Muller comes out with his report and let's say that he finds that this just doesn't exist spoke well we'll see I don't want to ruin it yet yeah I don't want to draw on it yet don't want to ruin my picture yet but you get the idea so the Russia collusion pillar is likely to just disappear the other pillar is that he's crazy and impulsive and you know uninformed and any other kind of mental 25th amendment reason put them all in there but every day that he's president and and nothing breaks

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he's president and and nothing breaks you get farther and farther from believing that this is the is reasonable so for example what about the time he refused to disavow David Duke he didn't that's another hoax there is no time that he didn't disavow David Duke that just never happened there was the time when he said he couldn't hear the question and he wasn't sure how to answer because he you said he didn't hear the question now I don't know if he didn't hear the question or not but it's pretty clear that if you ask somebody who's running for president do you do you support the KKK let me whoever it is who said that they think he might be racist because he didn't disavow David Duke first of all he did many times right so the first thing you have to say is that the fact is incorrect he disavowed it many times in public you're

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disavowed it many times in public you're talking about this one time Jake Tapper was talking to him and he hesitated on the answer before being unequivocal unequivocal bull later and somebody's saying but I saw it I saw it with my own eyes yes but let me ask you which of these two versions of reality sound reasonable one there was something about the question that he was either thinking of a way to answer it differently or he didn't hear it but for some reason he was he was momentarily confused about how to answer it or less Combusken but let's compare that to the other hypothesis the other hypothesis is that for a moment he considered backing the Ku Klux Klan on CNN in public while running for president can you really tell me that you think that is maybe

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tell me that you think that is maybe something that he was considering because to do that you really have to assume he's crazy too right because that wouldn't be a dog whistle that would be the craziest thing that ever happened so if you believe that the craziest thing that could ever happen actually happened and that you actually saw it that is TDs because the craziest thing didn't happen there was something about the way he answered maybe the way he heard the question maybe he was thinking of something else maybe he momentarily didn't connect the name David Duke who knows whatever it was but what it wasn't I'll tell you the so he says don't fall for his got the least likely thing it was of all the things that could have been if you had it if you had a list of a thousand reasons the least likely thing is that he was planning to back the Ku Klux Klan on CNN while running for president okay

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on CNN while running for president okay you have to ask yourself one of the odds that he was considering doing that that would be the craziest interpretation right you really it that's hard to defend all right so here's the thing as days goes by we find out that he's he's not he has not been determined medically crazy none of our allies are failing to work with us right our allies are not they're not failing to work with us they seem to be working with us fine it looks like the China negotiations are progressing it looks like North Korea is going fine it looks like the economy is good even if you say even if you want to say okay that was Obama's economy Trump didn't break it he didn't break it so so every day that goes by this pillar gets weaker because he's just not doing the things that people assumed would happen if he were mentally crazy yeah now let's

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if he were mentally crazy yeah now let's get let's get back to this as as somebody recently said David Duke recently came out in favor of representative Omar does that make does that make representative Omar a supporter of the KKK it doesn't work that way because it turns out that people can like things for different reasons and that that's the most normal situation in the world you might met you might like coffee because it wakes you up so I might like coffee because of the taste so therefore maybe I would have more decaf than you because I like coffee because it tastes good and you don't like the taste but you like the fact that it wakes you up the single most the single most perhaps the most common situation in the universe is that people like things for different reasons

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people like things for different reasons so does it make sense that a standard Republican could like President Trump for lowering taxes and for being you know good for border security at the same time David Duke could see an opportunity to use it for recruiting because he sees the CNN has brainwashed half of the world into thinking that this president is somehow it in favor of the KKK right so David Duke being smart says hey I think I'm going to act like I'm gonna go with this this is might be good for recruiting or something I don't know if he's doing any recruiting but in terms of supporting his side it was smart for him to embrace the hoax because it's good for recruiting now that's a completely different reason than what other people find in the president so people can like a president for completely different reasons that would not be unusual that would be the most common thing in the world some

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most common thing in the world some people some people want tighter border security because of crime and whatever else and other people want tighter border security on the southern border because they don't like brown people those are completely different reasons but they can still like you know the same thing for different reasons all right anyway the Charlottesville hoax is sort of the most important pillar that needs to come down because this one's falling away by itself and the Russia collusion thing looks like it's going to fall away month or two whenever Muller comes out with his report in watch watch how maniacally people cling to this so I've been doing this experiment on Twitter where somebody will say hey bah-bah-bah big old racist charlottesville and then I will say here's the here's the full quote where he explained that he was definitely not talking about the neo-nazis it's right there in his own

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neo-nazis it's right there in his own words now here's the thing you have to ask yourself would President Trump if he said something provocative and offensive and something that he believed would he stop saying it the next day because people complained think about it what are the odds that if President Trump said you know the moon is made of cheese and then somebody calls him out on it that the next day he's not going to say the moon is full of cheese have you ever seen that he sticks with what you know he sticks with his original belief I can only think of one example and that was the when he was campaigning his first impression about abortion was that if a woman gets an illegal abortion that that the criminal justice system should punish her and then as soon as people said no that would make sense in every other crime but for abortion is

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every other crime but for abortion is different because the woman is just you know the victim and it's better if you just if you just punished the doctor now once you hear that you you can say to yourself oh you know if you've never heard that it would be obvious to say of course she should be punished for breaking the law but once you've heard that explanation he said okay I get that and then he changed his mind in 24 hours that was a special case in general no matter what he says he's willing to say it again wouldn't you say it's probably the most consistent thing about this president is that is that it doesn't matter if you don't like it he's good say it again if he said it once he's gonna say it again but what this charlottesville thing when he said they're fine people on both sides a reasonable person would say oh you mean both sides of the Confederate statue controversy not both sides of antiphon fighting neo-nazis all right

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antiphon fighting neo-nazis all right that's that's not the that's not anything that anybody would say that's a ridiculous interpretation and when he was asked to clarify sure enough he said in the clearest possible language heck no I don't mean the neo-nazis they're completely disavowed so why would this be the one situation where he was not willing to say what he had said before it's because it's a misinterpretation he is he was completely consistent that there were vault good people on both sides of the statue controversy and very consistent that that does not include any neo-nazis now keep in mind that his his daughter is is Jewish his son-in-law and his grandchildren are Jewish and here's the best part one of the odds that Israel would not have noticed if this president were a big

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noticed if this president were a big anti-semite do you think that Netanyahu would not have noticed do you think that they wouldn't have said something what about you know is there is there I I don't believe I've ever seen one Jewish leader let's say leader is let's say somebody in Congress I don't know if I've ever seen one who believes that this president is an anti-semite have you seen that why is it that the smartest people in the world and identifying anti-semites and I think you'd agree that would be Israel right Israel would be really really good a spotting anti-semitic behavior I would I would say that there'd be you know X haven't had a lot of practice but they seem to have not noticed that how do you explain it to yourself that Israel loves him puts his picture on Billboard's most popular president of all time probably

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popular president of all time probably most popular American president from Israel's point of view probably the most popular had he explained that yeah you know Israel didn't notice the only explanation that fits all of the facts is the is the most common one the most ordinary explanation is the one that fits all the facts that nobody in the right mind would back neo-nazis on television even if they believed it right it's a ridiculous interpretation and it fits none of the facts whereas the ordinary one fits all the facts that he wasn't talking about that he wasn't talking about neo-nazis so I've been I've been trying to see what kind of a kill shot it would take in terms of persuasion to knock this pill around and I gotta say I haven't been able to find one but I want to see if there's anybody I can get on maybe on periscope to see

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I can get on maybe on periscope to see if I could talk them out of it in real time so right now I don't have the guest option on but I'm thinking that I might do some demonstrations in which I invite some people in who are just really deep into Trump derangement syndrome and talk to them now I already know what will happen and but I want to model it for you so I can't do it today but I'll do this this is what it would look like once I've given my argument I don't think there's any reasonable person who would cling to the Charlottesville hoax as true once it's been explained to them in in front of other people alright so the other people part is actually kind of important here you'd want somebody to be listening to have an audience and then have me explain it and I don't think anybody can hold on to that view but what they would do and this is very predictable they would change it too but what about David Duke but what about the

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what about David Duke but what about the thing he did thirty years ago well what about this and what about that and I think all of those can be debunked as easily but they would soon get to the point where what they were saying wouldn't make sense it would turn into word salad you have you ever seen me do this online let me ask you this a number of you watch my Twitter feed and you watch me interact with other people have you seen me reduce people to a word salad have you ever seen me do that the word salad is where they start talking but the words stop making sense they it's they just seem to be sentences that make sense of some grammar away but but they they're just nonsense right all right I'm just looking at your comments

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right I'm just looking at your comments yeah so I have this in a Navarro was once again spreading the Charlottesville hoax as if true now the reason that the Charlottesville hoax is so important to the overall mental health of the country let me say this as clearly as possible the mental health of the country is poor wouldn't you say and if you need to say is there what's just what's the downside of the Trump presidency I would say well it's that you know it's not the one thing that could be better but there's definitely a mental health problem and it has to do with people having a reaction to this president and that reaction is primarily because the press has created this whole hoax framework that people are buying into so if you could cure if you could cure the Charlottesville hoax it's such a big pillar and the other pillars are coming

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pillar and the other pillars are coming down themselves I think you could cure TDS if you could just get rid of the Charlottesville hoax and have you noticed how little pushback I get from this let me ask you this so even even yesterday there was a article in the media this is one of those dogs that don't bark you know that the dog you didn't hear situation so you always look for the white space the empty space because there's a story and what doesn't happen as well as the story in what does so yesterday the some publication called the verge wrote an article about carpe diem and his meme that the president tweeted him so yesterday that president tweeted carpe dum-dum Tom's mean but it had some music uniform REM and REM complained and then Twitter took it out for copyright

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Twitter took it out for copyright violations now without getting into the details REM was completely within their right to do that they didn't have to do it but it's not unusual that somebody would do that because they don't want their music associated with a political party but here's the thing I did it and I immediately became part of the national story as did Mike sort of itch so Mike sort of itch and I were both listed in this story as quote far-right personalities so first of all neither Mike certain efficient nor I I I don't want to speak for Mike but I think this is true he would not describe himself as far-right when he I don't think so IIIi don't think I'm pretty sure right Mike sort of itch would not call himself far-right and I'm certainly not I'm the opposite of that but my point is that even when I'm a little bit associated

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even when I'm a little bit associated with a story and I was only just slightly associated with that story I literally was just a guy who tweeted it I'm still a part of a national story all right so here's my point if I make even a little bit of noise about a topic that's in the news I become part of the news will you accept that that's true you've seen this right most of you have seen how many times my periscope becomes part of the news my tweet becomes part of the news I become part of the news very quickly because the news likes to bring in people you've heard of how many times have I cited in public the Charlottesville thing is a hoax and then described it as the very fine people part of being clearly out of context how many times have you heard me say that a lot right how many times have you seen the the mainstream media report my

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the the mainstream media report my opinion that Charlottesville is a hoax zero for three freaking years I've been saying loudly and on television that the Charlottesville thing was a hoax and they don't report it think about that can you imagine me saying anything else at that controversial and not making news I made news for a random connection to a tweet about a meme and that's normal the normal thing is that I you know the news will throw me in the story for anything now I have I have said you know the Charlottesville hoax I I think I may have said it in it's been picked up Mia maybe Breitbart mentioned it you know I've said it on Fox and Friends I've said it myself but it never got you know amplified after that but for the mainstream media you know that the cnn's and etc imagine imagine if I said

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and etc imagine imagine if I said anything else in the news was a hoax here's a mental experiment suppose I went on and said it's a hoax that Mike Pence is a human being or you know he's a robot or I said it's you know the tax plan is a hoax or suppose I said the border was a hoax can you imagine any other major major story and what you know Charlottesville was as major a story as you get I am saying loudly and often in public that one of the biggest stories of the country was a hoax and when I explained it almost everybody goes oh yeah that was a hoax even the people who don't want to believe it because when you hear when you hear it you realize that it is ridiculous ridiculous to interpret what the president said that day as backing

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the president said that day as backing the neo-nazis the it's hard to hold on to that as even a slightly sensible thing but nobody reports how often and publicly I say that's a hoax think about it that tells you that there's something special going on with that one topic and watch I'm doing it again yeah I can tell you for sure that every major media outlet follows this periscope they all follow it nobody's going to pick this up there's no chance that MSNBC is going to run that I hit piece on me saying all this idiot says the Charlottesville thing was a hoax and if they do here's the second part of my prediction because I'm kind of challenging it right now there is a chance that it will happen now but when they write it it would be a hit piece in which they lie about what I'm saying in other words they'll change what I'm saying about the Charlottesville hoax being limited to

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Charlottesville hoax being limited to the verifying people part and they'll say cartoonists says it's a hoax that neo-nazis were violent in Charlottesville so watch this if they write about it they'll change my opinion to something I don't pro-nazi or or just wildly ridiculous they will not report cartoonist says that the very fine people was referring to both of the statue question can't report it because their entire reputations depend on that hoax staying intact and it's such a thin hoax because you just have to hear the other interpretation and it falls away by the way if you have a second screen you here's a perfect example I just tweeted so it would be the top tweet in my feed and I'll show it to you on my phone but you're not going to get the beauty and majesty of it you have to see a live alright there's a optical illusion see if I can

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there's a optical illusion see if I can make it big enough on my phone so this probably won't work but you have to see it in the feed all right there's an optical illusion of some paper plates or plastic plastic plates and cups that are all upside down so you see this these are plastic plates that are all upside down and the illusion is that one of those plastic plates is actually not upside down and the moment you see the one that isn't upside down and I'm not going to point to it all of the other ones in your mind is flip right-side up alright move to the right yeah I think the comments are opposite on my screen as they show up to your screen I'm not sure so it doesn't work when you're looking at it on my screen through your screen but go to my Twitter feed it's the it's the one at the top I think or next to the top and as soon as you see the one that's right side up yeah look

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the one that's right side up yeah look at the continents look at the comments of the people who just looked at it it's
yeah it's weird the moment you see it right-side up all of the other plates turn right side up and then you can turn it back upside again by putting it away and to take it the Charlottesville hoax is exactly that it's just like that illusion you just have to see the one cup turned up sup you know turn right side up and then the whole story changes right in front of you and you could actually feel it then you would feel that you've been living in an illusion for three years so butte and it should that feeling should activate massive cognitive dissonance it should make people who are pretty you know pretty invested in their tds you should make them have a reaction that looks like nonsense to the observer so cognitive

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nonsense to the observer so cognitive dissonance is when you realize that your your worldview is wrong but you can you don't want to change it because you're sort of invested in it so you try to you try to make your world to fit your ridiculous views once they've been you know how did out it as being ridiculous you don't leave them you just say well there's a reason for my ridiculous for you and it it does maybe it doesn't make sense to you but it you know and then something craziest described all right so uragan your explanation cured my tds infected cousin perfectly well there you go so maybe maybe you could try this at home and see if it works on anybody and what i would what i would suggest is that people would will go all whack Amole on you it if you can get them to concentrate on just the Charlottesville hoax and once you've convinced them that that wasn't real they will immediately go to another hoax and they'll say well what

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another hoax and they'll say well what about that time he wrote that article about the Central Park five and said black people should be executed or something and then you say but you know that full-page ad he took out about the central power at 5:00 didn't mention the central part five it was about crime in general didn't mention race now it was of course in the context of the Central Park five so people people understood and he wanted them to that that was sort of a triggering factor but he wasn't talking about that he made a general statement about violent crime should have the death penalty all right so if you say that the people say all right well there was that one but what about this or what about that and you could pretty much go down the line but don't let them do that I would say don't let them go whack-a-mole on you I would say remove the charlottesville hoax if you can and then just walk away because you want that one

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just walk away because you want that one to sink in you want somebody to believe or well you want them to understand that the most central part of their belief about this president was not only a hoax but a crazy one that you should actually feel embarrassed after somebody explains to you how taken you were and and I want you to here's here's my challenge to the mainstream media I am a well-known public figure saying in public that the biggest story of one of the biggest stories of the last three years is a hoax you're not going to report that will you because in order to report it you're gonna have to take in one of the biggest pillars of TDS and you're not going to do that so watch how quiet things get even though I've said the most outrageous thing you could possibly say that a major moose news story was a hoax

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that a major moose news story was a hoax we're gonna watch for yourself watch for yourself how ignored I am about that
alright not going to significantly increase Trump's pace no matter what probably not I'm not sure that we're in a world where anybody increases their base they're just so few people you know I'll tell you one thing one thing to look out for for the 22 twenty20 election i i've been watching as some smart people have been saying okay trumps base to stay with him the people who would never vote for Trump or of course staying where they were but what about those independents you've heard this right the experts will say yeah but the independents are very anti Trump right now and you need the independence and he needed them to get elected so the most important group the only group that could be persuaded they're they're

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could be persuaded they're they're they're persuaded against him right now so 2020 it doesn't look good here's my prediction independents are playing a game in which they get to have their cake and eat it too meaning that if you're an independent you want to distance yourself from Trump's reputation by saying I don't like Trump now yeah I don't like him because you don't want to take any responsibility for anything you might do that you don't like or somebody else doesn't like but now it's 2020 and you walk into the voting booth and you've got a choice between somebody who's talking about socialist policies and a president who for four years has pretty much killed it on all the important stuff we might be looking at wrapping up five different Wars you know you know the five right if you count I mean you know just generally

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you count I mean you know just generally speaking I'm talking about Yemen is is starting to talk peace that's part of our influence you saw that North Korea is going well you see that Syria is you know winding down from the big problem to a smaller problem we're probably going to get out of Afghanistan and pretty soon we're told that they will unveil a a Middle East peace plan so that's you know the Palestinians I I assume are the focus of that and rant so it's impossible that at the end of four years we'll have a president who's made progress or at least de-escalated five wars five wars you probably will have a an economy that's screaming and again even if you say well you know Obama gave them a good head start there even if you want to say that if you don't break it for four years you're not you're not dangerous that's for sure and

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you're not dangerous that's for sure and you might have a higher GDP than then Obama had so you're going to see a lot of good news coming in at just the performance of the country you'll probably have something like some wall begun by then and and I'll tell you why even if he doesn't succeed with as much border security as he wanted there's one thing you can definitely say about this president it does look like he's putting it all out there it does look like the president is doing everything that he can figure out how to do he's taking the risk he's taking the political risk he's pushing every button he's pushing every door he's turning over every rock in front of us so in in my view no matter why he does get done in border security and I think you can safely say they'll be better than when he took office whatever that looks like people are going to say well we hired you to put in

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going to say well we hired you to put in that hard work and you did and we watched why it didn't work and it seems to me the other team you know it seems to me that the other team is the reason it wasn't working so here's my bottom line when it comes to the the election day I think the independents who have been saying I don't like that Trump you know I don't want to you know be associated with anything he does I think they're gonna walk in and they're gonna say socialism then we don't have to pay for or four more years of really pretty good stuff happening and that four more years of pretty good stuff happening is it's going to be persuasive [Music] all right um if somebody says immigration is everything if he doesn't fix it well we'll probably be in a situation by Election Day in which the president will have a a supportable

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president will have a a supportable claim that he improved the immigration situation substantially now you might argue the details you might say it's hyperbole you might say you know some things better or some things aren't you know so there will be always room for criticism but I think he's gonna have a solid argument in favor of the the proposition that he improved immigration border control are you better now than four years ago I'm not are you so but personally I'm financially worse awful but that's because you know there's sort of a natural boycott that's built into saying anything about politics so I'm sort of naturally boycotted but for those of you who are also in the boycotted category I tell you again that my my company that

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tell you again that my my company that my startup that makes this app called interface by wine hub now you can sign up as an expert or any kind of celebrity or personality you don't have to be an expert and there's a donate button let me show you so every every person who signs up gets a donate button and you can donate a dollar or any amount you want to them directly if you want to support their work and they've been TD platformed by other by other places all right and so a number of people did sign up and sent me a dollar yesterday and more and more in a few cases and I really appreciate it I have to tell you that you you probably know that yeah I would probably do this with or without money because that's not my motivation right now but it does make a difference I gotta say that when I see even a dollar come through I think well there's somebody

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through I think well there's somebody who took their time to send me this dollar and the dollar didn't mean much to the person who sent it and it won't change my lifestyle but I got to say that on some level it feels good every single time and I appreciate it's very encouraging and it's motivational and I appreciate it what if I'm a nobody can I sign up yeah anybody can sign up but to be an expert on anything and you can or you can just sign up to be a celebrity and you can have a donate button will publish a way to link to it in the next few days and that'll make it easier you can put it on your webpage and stuff alright I have papers stopped carrying Dilbert because of your support for Trump not that I'm aware of there are a few thousand newspapers and I don't always get informed if the smaller ones are dropping the era having me I don't

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are dropping the era having me I don't hear about that but I haven't noticed so if it happened it would have been you know a water law here or there but I haven't noticed the the newspaper industry is unique and it's unique in that they can take the heat they're used to contra controversy so the newspaper industry would be the least likely to punish punish me for having a political belief that's that would be the antithesis of the newspaper business they're that they're not that kind of people they're the kind of people who would like competing ideas sheiva cannabis scope yeah here dr. Shiva is anti cannabis I believe right I saw something in the news recently I don't think I would get in a medical discussion with a doctor that wouldn't be a good look and that's one of those cases where you need somebody you need a pro at a con so

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need somebody you need a pro at a con so I couldn't do that conversation without a pro and a con with me all right so all right I'm looking at your comments I think we've said it all watch out tomorrow there is no article in the mainstream press there might be something on the the conservative press but there will be nothing in the mainstream press about me calling one of the biggest stories in the news a hoax watch that and if that doesn't tell you something well that's all I have to say and I will talk to you tomorrow