Episode 411 Scott Adams: Bill Pulte Talks About Progress on Inner City Blight and More

Date: 2019-02-11 | Duration: 47:08

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Bill Pulte discusses the Blight Authority’s impressive progress Cleaning up areas where politicians and authorities failed Getting rid of the crime and the drugs infesting cities Donations fund the Blight Authority, locals love it Bill has connections with HUD and key local authorities https://www.theblightauthority.com/ideas/ Uses for the cleared, available land Why is peace in the Middle East now possible? Questions are about to be answered Why has President Trump been so nice to Saudi Arabia? Why has President Trump been so nice to Putin? Iran has been pushed to the brink of bankruptcy President Trump’s funny tweet about Amy Klobuchar in the snow Amy and her staff appeared amateurish Khamenei “death to America” clarification He means death to President Trump, Pompeo and Bolton Interesting because… Americans like the Iranian people Iranians like the American people BrianOfLondon’s thoughts on the Iranian, Middle East situations Iranian funding of Hezbollah and expansionist objectives

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hey everybody come on in here it's going to be a fun coffee with Scott Adams today we're going to catch up with Bill P I'll invite him to join in a moment and when he's on we will there we go I'm gonna add bill
whoops in a moment we're GNA have Bill pte here to talk about the blight Authority but not until not until we enjoy our simultaneous zp
zp uh oh I just realized that if I keep my microphone on I I won't be able to hear bill so I'm P my microphone and see what happens okay so my sound might get a little worse but then you'll be able to hear Bill Bill hey can you hear me now I can hear you now hey Scott hey everyone good

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morning good man um for those few people who don't know you yet I'm going to introduce you in just a moment but it has to follow the more important thing we have to do today I call it the simultaneous Sip and it goes like this you will grab your mug possibly your cup your glass your chalice maybe your Stein or even your thermos you'll fill it with your favorite liquid maybe you're already prepared and you will join me for the simultaneous
sip all right um yes with with my microphone on um you could hear bill but I couldn't because I used the same plug for my microphone as I do as as I use for the headphones on the iPad so this is uh thank you all for coming and uh Bill

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uh thank you all for coming and uh Bill P
P um let's talk about the blight Authority can you give us the the quick description of what it is for the probably let's do it sure go basically what we do at the blight Authority is we take large equipment and other resources and we go into neighborhoods that are completely forgotten about in America whether that be Urban or rural neighborhoods we go into neighborhoods where the police don't want to go where frankly the government and politicians have failed the people in the neighborhoods and we go in we clean up the area we get rid of the crime we get rid of the blight and we make the areas beautiful and we're doing it neighborhood by neighborhood Scot City by City we've done great work in Detroit we did 14 city blocks in Detroit we went to Pontiac Michigan where we've only got about 99 homes to go and we're turning around America's cities one city at a time so I'm showing a few pictures that you send me so here here's the type of house in these blighted urban areas this is just a corner of it I blew it up so

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is just a corner of it I blew it up so you can yes and the reason I sent that Scott was because this is an example of a home that is that that or structure as I call it a vacant blighted structure that needs to come down and there's a whole debate right now about whether these structures should come down but if you live in these neighborhoods it's a no-brainer it's like that structure needs to come down and so I gave that as an example Scott to basically show that's totally non-reparable now there's another one that I sent you that shows what can be repaired uh yeah that's totally not repairable just you know that needs to go but uh but some others can be fixed up now which which cities are you working on well we're working in Detroit Michigan and Pontiac Michigan we're about to veil in the next four weeks Scott a new inner city that we're going to it'll be either Atlanta
B Bill P got disconnected which he will realize in a moment and then when he comes back um so

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moment and then when he comes back um so he was going to tell you that we've got other cities lined up there he is he's back all right bill will be back and finish that sentence in a moment
Bill P are you back yes new Option here with Periscope this pretty cool so all right so you were just saying the which which cities you mentioned Detroit and Pontiac and it'll either be Atlanta uh Baltimore St Louis Los Angeles we're looking at maybe even Miami so we'll have an announcement on which city we decide in the next four weeks and we'll let everybody know excellent um and so uh um Step One is to get rid of these homes which which are sources of every kind of crime corre drugs drugs prostitution rape you name it it's all happening there and when you clean it out it it gives that neighborhood a chance to uh to rebuild you know once you've gotten gotten rid

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you know once you've gotten gotten rid of that now um You you work with the locals right that's correct entirely with the locals and as you said step one is to get rid of the crime get rid of the drugs make it a beautiful clean area again and then steps two and three is to do something different with it and I know we're going to talk about that in a second but yes we work with the locals and I say um that we bring them you know the artillery and the locals tell us where to shoot the artillery we defer to them so you work with the the city as well as the the residents and the neighborhoods who who pays for it all where's the money come from Mostly philanthropic everybody can visit blight authority.com we''ve raised a ton of money specifically in Detroit and other cities uh it goes to knocking down homes and cleaning cleaning the blight so it's all philanthropic Scott all right that's amazing and and the locals love this right when the bulldozers come in they get pretty happy don't they oh yeah and I'll tell you right now we say when the when the equipment moves in we turn on the lights and the Cockroaches scatter

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the lights and the Cockroaches scatter and I'm I'm I'm not kidding you Scott I mean we bring these big pieces of equipment in if you could just imagine these big pieces of equipment running down the street essentially I mean we've seen drug houses scram out of the area before when these people see these big machines they get the heck out of the area because they know overwhelming forces arrived and that we're not screwing around anymore all right I love the the visual persuasion that comes with you know just doing this kind of work people see real things happening you know I could imagine if you lived in one of these inner cities all you've seen is things get worse for 25 years and then for the first time you see Heavy Equipment changing things that's got to change how you think about your prospects as well so let's talk about uh some ideas let's brainstorm a little bit and maybe we
we can to participate if they had some ideas they would go to blight authority.com would they not yes blight authority.com and go ahead and submit your ideas we may be actually taking

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your ideas we may be actually taking some of your ideas uh and putting them into practice in fact this one city that we're going to be announcing we're going to be using some of these ideas to actually put them into practice so visit us blight authority.com so I'm going to show uh the audience some ideas uh and now these ideas were not we're not suggesting these are you know the great ideas these are more for brainstorming get your mind working about what what the possibilities are once you've got urban areas that are cleared and very low cost because essentially they didn't have value before so um you know they could be obtained by various entities for whatever ideas they have so uh bill would you be able to talk to the uh the data center idea absolutely so one of the things when we go in and we take these big bulldozers Scott we remove this area is we figure out okay what can go there next and one of the things that you and I actually talked about on Fox News was this data center and we brought it up on Fox with anley airheart and had

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it up on Fox with anley airheart and had a good conversation about this this effectively as you can see here is taking vacant land and turning it into a data center that can then act as a heat source so for example imagine a city like Detroit especially with the sub you know 30 sub 40 degree temperatures you could basically have a Data Center and I think there's a lot of people looking at this by the way across Herb in America to put for for example a data center have that heat then be recycled and then use it to actually thermal uh you know take care of the thermal aspects of homes so for example you wouldn't have the heating bills you wouldn't have the gas bills Believe It or Not Scott people in Detroit don't have heat in many cases so this is an example where not only could you go in and get rid of the blight but then you could do something very cool afterwards and this actually came from one of your viewers Scott which I think is the most interesting thing about this one right and then we threw it to the picture and again these are these are just brainstorming pictures I'm not claiming that that this would be practical but uh I threw a CO2 scrubber in there you know maybe you're doing something with the rising warm air

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doing something with the rising warm air here we've got uh the Heat going under the highways and sidewalks so you don't have to shovel the snow so that that's one idea now the bigger picture here for this idea and the other ones you're going to see is the idea of Designing not just one building to go to go into these uh cleared areas but rather to design a system or to to look at a more comprehensive way to um to to design something that fits together and works together well in that area yes do you want to take that one uh so let let's well let's give one more example of the uh here's here's a hospital so uh let me talk about this one then Bill we'll talk about the residential one after this so here here's a concept where there's a essentially a teaching hospital and then around it would be a bunch of medical startups so you would conceive this from the start as a place that medical startups can go to work with a hospital that's that's connected to all the startups but also maybe uh maybe it's a

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startups but also maybe uh maybe it's a way to lower health care costs because you could imagine for example that you would get better than average care but because there's a little bit of experimenting maybe they maybe you uh give them the rights to some of your data Maybe you agree to some tests that are not invasive type you know things that are safe um and and you've got several benefits so you've got maybe health care for the people maybe you've created some jobs and maybe some of the startups have some access to people in testing and experts as well that's just one idea now bill um we also talked about some res itial ideas you can see this on your screen as well can't you Bill yes I can and you know what's interesting about this one Scott is so for example the the brightmore community comes to mind in this one or uh the grand Mount rosale area for example in Detroit there are a bunch of neighborhoods that frankly could benefit from basically what you have here safety cost work food and learning um I know

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cost work food and learning um I know this sounds basic to a lot of people live in neighborhoods but safety doesn't even exist in many of these neighborhoods Scott so to people looking at this and saying you know what is this it's it's actually this is a big problem uh obviously work is a big issue in many of these urban areas Scott people can't even get work in the area so they're having to take buses you know 20 30 miles out of an urban Corridor to do it so the logic here Scott as you and I think you Drew Drew this out very nicely in in great Dilbert format here it looks beautiful is basically a neighborhood that can provide safety low cost work food food is huge now in the urban environment I mean has anybody heard about what's going on in the urban farming environment now in urban areas it's unbelievable and then learning obviously charter schools so I think the idea here basically Scott is to start to encapsulate you know some of the best ideas that are going into urban America but in a safe comfortable lowcost environment for urban neighborhoods what yeah let me give let me give just some

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yeah let me give let me give just some examples of the things we're thinking about for the residential one so this picture is shown as the residence is forming a circle that's sort of a security perimeter so that once you're in you're safe and maybe you've got some uh video cameras or whatever you need for the added security but in addition we imagin that each of these homes would have an exterior entrance with possibly a space with its own bathroom that you could run a business out of it or you could rent it yes so so that so that each of these homes is both a residence but it provides a source of income by the way it was design designed so the idea here is if you design from scratch to build a system or a community where you've considered all the things that people need from transportation to safety you could imagine a charter school right in the middle because what what changes your uh Bill what what's the main thing that changes your property value getting rid of the blight well number one making it safe right

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well number one making it safe right right but that in terms of building something new that the school is going to be one of your biggest factors school education is huge education and safety are huge so if you if you come to my town and somebody's looking for a place to live the first question is tell me about the schools and that that that becomes the base question for how much they're willing to pay to live there and if the answer is it's the best school in in the county then they're willing to pay a lot more so you plop a um Charter School in the middle of a bad area and you you ring it with security you you've you've already changed the value of that Land by I don't know a h hundredfold that's correct you've you've significantly increased depending on the neighborhood you've significantly increased the value of it if you can put safety in and education those are fundamental right and then who wants to move into a dangerous neighborhood voluntarily right no so uh also in the news you know we're hearing people talking about uh Universal guaranteed

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talking about uh Universal guaranteed income um for some folks and while that's obviously a an impractical idea the way it's conceived think about a future where you could design homes that are better in terms of livability than what we have now but are also way less expensive so if you designed it from scratch using what we've learned maybe maybe robots are building them maybe 3D printers maybe they come in a kit form but you could imagine a lot of ways that you could get to a lower cost life at which point the universal basic income is less important because you could have a a lesser job and still pay for everything you need so if you're thinking about how to build a resident Community from from the bottom up you you you say how do they afford it how do they get an income how did they get safe how did they get a school that sort of thing so you can see that the possibilities are enormous now Scott if I could just jump in I've seen a lot of uh questions here asking you know who

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uh questions here asking you know who owns the land once you clean it it's a great question question we frankly don't even uh in terms of making sure that we're successful we want to turn the land over to the residents or we want to turn it over to the city so we view ourselves as a philanthropic organization that basically turns the Lots over to people either in the neighborhood or otherwise you can take better care of it so it's just a common question we get I saw a lot of people asking it's a great question all right and what what's the hardest part about this process I mean uh I I I don't want this to go to your head bill but this is something that probably people have wanted to do and tried to do but it's just hard what what is it what is it that you do that that gets gets through the hard part so what it's it's basically coordinating with everybody so it's coordinating with the county it's coordinating with the city and the mayor and it's coordinating with the governor and as you can imagine getting all three of those people it's like an orchestra trying to get you know all three of these people to work together and sometimes you have to say look you know

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sometimes you have to say look you know this won't look so good if you keep let letting these people live like this um but you try to hope that they'll do the right thing and actually I think when we show up on the scene Scott and we say look here's the solution one two and three here are the three things that you need and they realize meaning these politicians realize that they don't need to do a lot of the work and they just let us you know basically uh you know work with each other uh it ends up turning out pretty nicely so far anyway Scott but we'll see I mean we're going to this next city that we're going to be announcing and uh hopefully we can take it across America we'd love to take it across to every city in America yeah the great thing about this is that uh you've worked out the basic process and now that's correct there's no reason it can't be cloned in in other cities to get us all to the same point and that's correct I was in one city the other day Scott and I was walking down the street with somebody and they were trying to tell me how unique it was to their city and I turned to the guy and I said look man I said I gotta be honest with you this happens in every urban city in America he says well what do you mean and we walked through it we're actually

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and we walked through it we're actually talking about trash and illegal dumping they are having a problem with illegal dumping people don't realize this but in these Urban cities Scott you have this problem with Urban dumping people from the suburbs coming in and dumping and I was explaining to this gentleman basically how when we go block by block and we clean up the area Scott what happens is people stop dumping in the areas and they know that the police are going to go after them and they know that it's going to have to be pristine and clean and uh that's how you clean up these neighborhoods Scott well now now you're making me feel bad because I've been taking all my garbage to San fr Frisco and just dumping it now now I feel that's wrong there is actually people who do this kind of stuff Scott I know it's hard for everybody to understand because it's okay Bill terrible Bill I know that uh you're you're on a schedule here today and thank you for taking the time to share this with us uh so blade authority.com is where people could go to uh give their ideas or to find out more is there anything else uh you'd like to tell us Bill no just thank you

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like to tell us Bill no just thank you and thanks so many people the amount of momentum that we're seeing in the news media for this subject Scott I mean it's incredible the momentum that's picking up nationally for this so I think we're really changing the subject and it's because of guys like you as well you know famous people like you are influencing this so thank you for your help right uh thank you I mean you're you're doing the the hard ugly work that everybody wishes somebody else would do but you're actually doing and and you know succeeding greatly so thank you so much and I think you can you can hang up on your end thank you Scott take care byebye take care bill all right we got some other stuff to talk about um you know I like to like to talk about this topic uh every now and then keep people informed and get people interested if they want to join in but we got other things happening in the news did you see in the news that um I think Fox News has the scoop that

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think Fox News has the scoop that um I'm just looking at your questions coming through oh people asked me to put back in my microphone and I think that's a good idea so let's see if I can plug this in and not lose you let's see what
happens all right I'm going to guess that that works uh has Ben Carson and HUD been helping bill bill is connected with uh the administration components that he needs to connect with so he's he's made connections at HUD uh he's made connections everywhere that that make sense so that's part of his magic is that he's an amazing connector of people um so somebody says sounds great somebody says it's Buzzy might be Buzzy because where my phone is see if that makes any difference anyway

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anyway uh some P some people say the phone is fine uh let's talk about the Middle East peace plan so apparently the Administration has a middle east peace plan and uh the uh the news is saying that we won't see it until April but here's what to look for I'm going to give you a preview of a middle east peace plan now now number one why would we think that a middle east peace plan would work now when it's never really worked before uh good question and here's my all right so let let me just say I see your comments that say that some of you have a great sound and some of you have a buzz please stop telling me that there's a buzz in the sound because I see the first 500 people who said that I can't fix it and there's nothing I'm going to do about it but I appreciate you told me just you don't need to send

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you told me just you don't need to send 500 more messages to say there's a buzz because there's nothing that's going to change um at the moment so here's what to look for in the Middle East peace plan number one we might get the answer to the question why has the president been so nice to Saudi Arabia I think we're going to see the answer to that question meaning that Saud Arabia is probably going to have to be an important player in whatever this peace plan is so we might see the the answer to that mystery we might also see why the president has been let's say more more uh friendly to Putin than his critics think he should be because Russia is going to be a big part of whatever happens in terms of Peace plans we're also going to see that Iran is pushed to the brink of economic

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is pushed to the brink of economic collapse and I haven't seen them making a lot of noise about uh being aggressive they they've been more complaining about things than they have been militarily aggressive and they're seeing that their their you know their Ambitions are being shrunk every day over there so the table is set you've got Iran uh losing and losing and losing and they need to they need to put the tourniquet on and sign some kind of a deal to to become more productive you've got really strong players involved in terms of negotiating and willing to work with each other because whatever you think about President Trump he's a strong player right whatever you think of Putin and whatever whatever evil he's done he's a strong player whatever you think of Saudi AR and the Crown Prince and you know I know that you've got you've got your problems with them and

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you've got your problems with them and you've got your problems with all of the players he's a strong player whatever you think of Israel and Netanyahu he's a strong player and you know I think you could go right down the line that we have we have the strongest set of capable players that we've ever had that are important to this this issue in my opinion so you have the Bold bravest smartest most flexible group of people who have ever who have ever had to deal with this this issue so I would say that
uh I would say that I'm very interested in this peace plan and you could be surprised as some of it um now the pelis Ians have seem seem to have been marginalized and have no have had no

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marginalized and have no have had no significant success in a long time so you know everybody's everybody's pushed to the Limit where flexibility happens and I think all parties are ready to get flexible at this point all right um did you see the uh presidential announcement of Amy kobitar in the snow we have to talk about that now I've never seen a worse first impression because for most of us let say the vast majority of the country um people didn't really know who she is right if she's not from your state you probably didn't know who she was and I would not have been able to recognize her in a crowd and I still can't because the pictures I saw she was covered with snow and I thought to myself okay I like the fact that the the snow and doing it

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the fact that the the snow and doing it Outdoors maybe got her a little extra attention so that part was good but I don't know if it's the right kind of attention because all I could think when I watched her out in that snowstorm is number one she doesn't care about the comfort of her supporters cuz that you know that was a bad day out there in the snow number two she does not plan well and her campaign that figured out this was a good idea they're they're not the best right this doesn't look like the best thing it looked like somebody who didn't plan well and now now you might say to yourself that's not the case Scott they did plan out this they knew what the weather would be they did it outside for for effect it was all part of the show well maybe but it doesn't come across that way it comes across as amateurs who just didn't think it through didn't think how it would

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it through didn't think how it would look didn't plan enough for the fact it would be a driving snowstorm that would make the candidate look like look like she was it made the candidate look cold and alone you know how candidates are always standing in front of a crowd there's a big crowd of supporters behind them because then you see the candidate and you say to yourself wow that candidate has all these people behind them you know that's the visual remember the visual always wins so the visual here was she's out alone in a dangerous snowstorm and nobody's helping her and doesn't have any supporters because she's you know there's nobody behind her there were lots of supporters in front now I don't know how many supporters because I didn't I didn't uh I didn't really I didn't see the the camera pull back but I don't think there were that many the president of course took advantage of the snowstorm and to joke about her talking about climate change

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about her talking about climate change and global warming while she's literally covered with snow now of course all of the president's critics uh come on to his tweet and say you fool don't you know the difference between weather and climate and here's the thing at this point I'm pretty sure he knows the difference between weather and climate but I think he's having fun with it at this point because he knows it makes people crazy when he does this so I don't want to read his mind I don't want to assume what he knows and what he doesn't know about climate change but I'm pretty sure somebody's mentioned it to him at this point and that he's just having fun with it now all right
um yeah cold is weather hot is climate right all right so what were the other

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um oh yes our friends in Iran are still chanting death to America so did you see that uh kamani uh he issued a clarification or he he gave a clarification in some speech or something and then he tweeted it and the clarification was that the phrase death to America does not mean death to the citizens of America but rather it means uh death to president Trump uh Pompeo and John Bolton so so Iran is now getting technical when we say death to America we don't mean all Americans we just mean specific Americans the ones you've chosen to be your leaders we just want to kill the leaders to which I say you know if you ever succeeded in killing our leaders we would kill all of you just putting that out there uh in the unlikely event that Iran was able to kill John Balden Mike Pompeo and

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kill John Balden Mike Pompeo and president Trump Iran would last another 10 minutes and then would be vaporized so it's a bad idea maybe maybe you should not chant these things perhaps perhaps less chanting more peace so but here's here's the the good news the good news is that when you hear them chanting no no no it's really about the politics it feels like a softening in other words they're they're trying to make the case against War because if they wanted war they'd say let's let's kill all the Americans too and we have this weird situation with Iran that I don't know if I've ever seen before the Iranian people like the American people and the American people by and large like the Iranian people I I have you ever seen a case

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people I I have you ever seen a case where two countries were sort of in a semi warlike posture may maybe more than semi and at the same time the the citizens all uh oh at the same time the citizens all seem to like each other I'm going to talk to Brian of London let's let's add a guest here see if this
works Brian I'm I'm adding Brian of London here for a comment because I think Brian is
is in Israel Brian are you there I am yes I'm in Israel you're in Israel so I am and and I know that you keep up with all this stuff we've U we've communicated before um so Brian what's the view from Israel about uh the news that there might be a peace plan in the making and and what's and what what are people saying about Iran at the moment well um actually I just I pressed join

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well um actually I just I pressed join when you started saying about the Iranian people versus and that's absolutely correct and you don't hear about it I don't I don't that there has always been a an an underground pro-america thing you know Iran back in 1979 was a pro-america country ruled by the Sha you know it's more complicated than this and they've been taken over by this Islamic Republic since 1979 doesn't mean everybody followed it always um on the on the Israel and the peace process though the Palestinian peace process I still I'm sitting here and it doesn't make a difference for Shia versus Sunni for for Iran versus Saudi Arabia whether we have peace in Israel it's just not Central it's not Central to what's going on in Syria um it just we're just not that you know every time I hear about Trump's peace plan I don't I just don't get the centrality with which the American Press

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centrality with which the American Press paints it um well so that's that's a good question it seems to me that when we talk about a middle east peace plan we're no longer talking about the Palestinian Israel question that's just a part of it right I mean the bigger question what do you do with Syria you know what's what do we do with Iran and it seems to me that the um and maybe you can um inform me better on this but if Iran became serious about peace wouldn't the Palestinian Hezbollah situation also be easier to solve is Iran the biggest problem to all of that Iranian funding of Hezbollah is a huge problem because they're the ones with missiles pointed at my house um so yes but the idea to me it's just Unthinkable that the Iranians will turn around and suddenly go do an about face no matter how persuasive Trump is because they've got the Quran

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Trump is because they've got the Quran in their back pocket and the Quran is telling them something different to what Trump says um and and you know same with the Saudis but coming at it from a different direction because they've had this basically this battle ever since the the death of Muhammad as to who's the right Muslims you know that battle you know Israel's just a recent arrival in this this that's going to go on a lot longer than Trump uh and Israel didn't Sol that well but let me ask you this you know uh of of course there's you know the the religious um you know the religious uh overlay to all of this but but these are real human beings who have to make practical decisions and even the leaders in Iran they do see that Israel is just GNA be there right do do you think that there's do you think there's anybody in Iran and I won't ask you to read their minds but do you think that the the Ki thinks that Israel would ever go away during his lifetime or or the

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go away during his lifetime or or the next does he really think that's possible I I believe that if he had the me make us go away I.E a nuclear bomb he would do heartbeat no matter what that means for Jerusalem or the Palestinians who live here the hold on we lost a little bit of a connection there but did you say that if you thought did you say that if kammani had a nuclear bomb that he would definitely use it on Israel that's my yes now I've been listening to them for 20 years they keep saying that death to America really it meant death to America and it meant death to Israel long before Trump appeared well they've also said consistently that when uh uh there may be a difference between what they say in English versus what they they say in other languages but um they have clarified and I'm not saying that we should believe this right if if I were in Israel I would assume that every threat coming out of Iran is 100%

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every threat coming out of Iran is 100% serious so there there's a way you act but then there's also looking at the odds if if you could be objective about it and it seems to me that they've also said that their problem is not the people of Israel but rather it's the the political the political situation which is that it's a Jewish State and Etc the people are Jews and the only way we can express our Jud ism is to be a Jewish State because we've tried living as a minority under other people and that that hasn't worked and and we got the message 70 years ago and said no more of this minority stuff you know America's a safe place but not the Middle East but my point is that nuking Israel would not accomplish their goals because it wouldn't be useful I mean nobody could use Israel after it been nuk and they would be immediately destroyed so it's not like they could take advantage of it and and and they would have killed the people of Israel which they claim are not their enemies rather it's the political situation whether or not you

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political situation whether or not you believe that I'm just saying there would be an inconsistency with what they're saying so from the outside I I always believe I believe this with North Korea and that seemed to have been true remember uh if you were following the North Korea situation we assume that Kim Jun was literally crazy yeah literally crazy and that he would nuke things and die and he you know he didn't care who died and all that and then as soon as you test that assumption you find out that he's probably closer to a reasonable guy than whatever we thought before and then suddenly there's progress I feel like as crazy as we believe the the mullo are that if you if you were ever in a room with them and they could speak honestly they would say something like well I know we're never going to destroy Israel I the thing is I've read the Quran for a number of years I've read the the stories of the life of Muhammad and so on

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life of Muhammad and so on and I agree with you on North Korea because I don't think they wake up every morning saying a prayer that says they've got to take over the world for their God whereas the Iranians actually do you know it's screamed from the loudest from from from the top of the mosque um you know come to prayer and they you know Muhammad's Farewell Address said you know I have been ordered to conquer fight all men until they say there is no God but Allah that is an ideological problem if it's repeated into your brain every day five times six seven 18 times a day um whereas the North Korean I agree the North Koreans as far as I can see do not have an expansionist desire to turn the entire world into North Koreans whereas Islam unfortunately has shown over 14400 years that it does have an expansionist aim and it does want to convert people all right but but let me let me put this in another context and again I will say that if I were in Israel and even as an

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that if I were in Israel and even as an ally of Israel you have to treat all of those threats as 100% realistic so in terms of decisions you pretty much have to treat them as real but um I I like to drill down on this just in case there you know we can get a better understanding or something now it would also be true therefore that Iran has plans to conquer China in terms of Islam is that would would that not also be part of their grand plan it's not just Israel rather they would like to conquer China but do they but do they wake up in the morning and say yeah any moment now it might take a while but we're going to get China because God say so I really do believe that they would go after China but there is a good theological reason why Jews why it's more important that they cancel Jews first you know that

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they cancel Jews first you know that that there we Jews were around in the time of the Prophet Muhammad their Prophet Muhammad the Chinese are not mentioned um Jews rejected Muhammad as a prophet you know we did and we got slaughtered for it in Arabia and we got chucked out of Arabia so there's there's there's history you know and so we we matter more because they know you know I think deep down they do know that all right so I get so I get that there's you know a special history and a a a special dislike for you know for Israel the the Jewish people among the Iranians or at least the Iranian leadership for sure um but there's but still people are of two brains all the time in other words people can carry with them their religious belief and and actually legitimately believe it well in their daily life they don't act that way that that's fairly common right that people don't actually act the way their beliefs

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don't actually act the way their beliefs sincere beliefs tell them they should act it's that's the most common thing is to be is to be two people at once and it seems to me that there's some there's got to be a practical understanding that Iran would be destroyed far before Israel would be destroyed and since that's that will never be their ambition to destroy their own country it seems like on some level they know they're going to have to reach an accommodation now let me let me suggest this if they could ever come up with some way to believe that they could politically Prevail in the long run um would that satisfy their religious need or do they have to conquer by violence in other words could they ever be convinced that they can spread their Islamic beliefs through the internet through friendly connections through immigration you know could they ever be convinced that they don't have to Nuke

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convinced that they don't have to Nuke somebody or or kill them to get it done is that would that fit within their belief system I I think it already does I think um the very first spreading of Islam is the the al-hijra that the move from Mecca to Medina and that you know that was an immigration to found an Islam State that's what alhed means that's the start of the calendar so I I I don't believe that they they don't necessarily say that it must be done through violence and Conquest they actually you know that they'll do it any way uh that they can but you know to get something back to just one little thing you said there um when you they do hold this in two ways in their heads you know I think it's a very important thing they're not all behaving um
um uh at all the time religiously and thing but the the for Islam politics and religion are the same thing they that that's their entire Outlook it's mixed and you

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and you know we can't take any risks the only reason they I grew up as a child of the the the cold war with the Russians okay you know sting song do the Russians love their children too and I still fundamentally believe that based on the sort of Christian cult that that Russia came from even though the Soviets sort of try to suppress that they do love their children in the same way do so I don't believe in mutualist or destruction as a deterrent with the with the
the Iranians um but it has worked wouldn't wouldn't you say that uh if Iran wanted to attack Israel at the risk of not even risk but uh at certain annihilation in other words if Iran wanted to just conquer Israel it didn't care about surviving as a country didn't care how many people died doing it they could take a shot at it right now so well they have taken they were involved in the

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have taken they were involved in the attacks in ' 67 and 72 uh 73 so they've they've done they've tried but since since the sort of nuclear era they haven't had nuclear weapons but that's why you know that's why we reating with such unbelievable horror to Obama because we just didn't perceive that it that that it was going to give us the shity that they wouldn't have these terrible weapons that could take us out in one F swop but but my point is they are already acting against their own religion by not attacking already the fact the fact that they would not win should not in any way no no no no no no there's a there's a religious commandment to say if you can't if you don't think you can win you get you take what is called a Hooda it's a up 10 year and then it's a renewable every 10 year it's a truce that Waits until the Muslims are strong enough to attack it's called that actually their word for peace Buna which is this temporary it's a temporary restraining order until such

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a temporary restraining order until such time as they feel strong enough to attack properly right so as long what we're living under but but the strong enough to attack mean that you you would attack and survive or would it be good attack and win they're not stupid uh they're very very much not stupid uh the Iranians are very very smart people and they're very industrious and they they have the technical capabilities to to to fight and fight well but they they wouldn't launch they might launch a suicidal attack if it achieved the aim that they wanted which was our destruction no our destruction ranks higher than than I think their survival so in your view the lead years of of Iran if they could completely destroy Israel but it would also guarantee their own complete destruction they would take that choice I think that there are enough of the crazy people there and they hold

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the crazy people there and they hold enough of the levers of power to make me very scared if those levers of power connected to nuclear weapons on on on launched ballistic missiles yeah I agree so let me just iterate for one other time if I were in Israel or even as an ally of Israel which we are we are we have to treat all of those risks as 100% certain you know threats yeah you know you don't you don't really have the the the luxury of say well I don't think they really mean it so so I'm completely on the side of treating it like it's 100% guaranteed risk um and and thank you for giving us a little uh background on that this was great fun thanks very much for having me all right thanks Brian um and you you can just sign off on your own
own there all right that's all I'm going to talk about for today and I will talk to you all tomorrow