Episode 323 Scott Adams: Watch Colorizing a Dilbert Comic on a Wacom Cintiq

Date: 2018-12-03 | Duration: 55:43

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ah so I'm gonna watch myself so that I could see your comments without turning around how clever is that this totally works so there's a little bit of a timing difference but I can now I can look in this direction and I can find out what's happening so people sometimes wonder what's the process for making a comic and so I thought I would show you now I realize you can't see it very well but you'll be able to get the gist of it so what I'm using here is a a Wacom Cintiq and there's even a newer version I'm gonna pick up pretty soon that's a little bit bigger but it's a drawing surface so it's connected to a Macintosh you can also connect it to a Windows computer and it operates as a regular monitor except that it has the dual purpose that you can draw on it now this little raggy half a glove that I'm wearing that makes me look like

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I'm wearing that makes me look like something out of a Dickens thing is so that this is just my own little hack that I learned from somebody else that if you're if your hand is going to be resting on the glass you don't want the oils of your hand to be getting all over your computer so I wear this little glove that's really just a photographer's glove for handling negatives and I just cut off the fingers so this is a comic that I drew this morning and the words are in a separate file I'll tell you why at the end and all I'm doing is putting in colors in the old days this had to be done in a paper and you had to indicate what color it is
you know a separate piece of paper and it was just a mess so are probably not gonna be talking about too much politics

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gonna be talking about too much politics today I just I'm doing this for those of you who had an interest in knowing what's it like to be a cartoonist so this is where I spend a lot of my time doing is looking at this computer screen and drawing on it and doing what I'm doing now which is the this is the last stage of putting the color up now when I do the daily comics those get colored at the printer well I it's they get colored by this indication service and then they said they're sent to the printer and if you ask me why did they put the color on the daily comics whereas I put the color under the Sundays I have no idea it's one of those historical oddities that has something to do with somebody's contractor or something I don't know do I have templates of Dilbert or do I draw him every time here's your answer I

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him every time here's your answer I don't know if you can see this but these are a bunch of Dilbert heads so when I'm drawing a new comic for the the rough draft I'll grab one of these and paste it in and I'll just look for the one where he's facing the right direction so I've got one of these for all the major characters but I do still end up drawing doing an original drawing every time so even though I cut and paste them they're always resized and a little little twisted so they're always drawn from scratch ultimately so I just use these templates to get it started and you know make sure the dimensions are always about the same all right let's get rid of this so right now I'm just scrolling through and looking for places that are the same colors so putting the skin tones on them making sure I got everybody here then I'm gonna start coloring in Tina

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then I'm gonna start coloring in Tina Tina's got black hair you will notice I'm not very organized when I do this because it's so insanely boring if you do this a lot it's really really boring I've been doing this for thirty years you know the last ten or so or whatever it's been I've been doing that under the computer but it's insanely boring so if you do it you know the same every time you'll just go crazy so I tend to you know have other things on and try to muddle my way through it without my brain exploding one of the reasons that I'm talking to you on periscope is to reduce my own boredom of doing this and yes I could get somebody else to do it but there is there was something to be

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but there is there was something to be said for knowing that the creator of the comic touched every part of it
and that's a sure how well you can see this but it's just one tap with this tool in there fills in
next up CGI CGI cartoons yeah let me let me tell you what I would want this to be I would want to have templates of Dilber that I could actually just rotate and then and then you know paste so I should be able to take a template rotate it around in any direction and then just have the comic come from the 3d template
yes everyone's job gets boring even glamorous once you know that the thing that most of you don't see is that it's

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that most of you don't see is that it's a Macintosh what you don't see is that you know as an official celebrity my my life is exactly the same as everybody else's young 99% of the time the only time it's not is the time that people are watching me because otherwise it's completely ordinary I mean it's really good but you know it's not like an alien experience or anything all right Scott are you friends with any other major cartoonist Stephan Pastis is a good friend he's another Californian I would say that I am acquainted with and friendly with quite a few cartoonists that I've met over the years but we tend to live all over the place you know it's rare

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all over the place you know it's rare it's pretty rare if there's another cartoonist in your city you know at least I am cartoonist I don't know if there are any cities that have two syndicated cartoonist and that would be interesting maybe New York I'm not sure
have I tried the new iPad pro for art I tried the the version just before it and my impression is that if you're just playing around or you're a kid or something the the iPads yeah a fun toy but for actual you know career related production stuff it's it's kind of useless only because it's so small and it's limited and you know the the space having that this much real estate is about 80% of the job do you know if Scott stannis work I know of it do you

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Scott stannis work I know of it do you know the xkcd cartoonist now we've never met it is Dale on your hand that is correct this this raggy little half glove doubles as Dale if you ever made a spelling error yes many times now in most cases the the editors catch it before it gets printed but I still I still let let one slip by everyone now in that so every every now and then I have a spelling error but it's maybe once a year or something though or less I would think now one of the things you have to learn about colorizing the

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have to learn about colorizing the comics is that sometimes it's more fun if you're picking colors that don't make real sense in the real world so I don't try too hard for example to make oops I don't try too hard to make a building look like a building yet in terms of the colors yeah and so this tool is the gradient tool so what I did was made it look like the Sun is hitting these windows so that they're not uniform there's a little there's a little less blue in the corners here then I'll do the same thing with the outdoors so I'm just gonna select it with that tool so now all the space around it is selected and then I'll pick a sky color and then use this tool to make a gradient so it's darker blue up

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make a gradient so it's darker blue up here probably hard to tell on your monitors and then toward the bottom it's a lighter blue because the tool I used to put it in there then I got a colorize this stupid table how many times if I touched this paint tool to this to something that looked like a table quite a few times turns out and the chairs and I've got to pick a chair color that will have some contrast to their clothing so I don't like that needs a little more a little more grey in it if he asked me why I picked the color as I do probably every selection has a whole story of the history of you know why I first used it or why it makes sense in this context so

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or why it makes sense in this context so there's actually a lot of thinking that goes into the colors but it's there's sort of a story that goes with each one that would be its own story now at one point the Dilbert universe changed from neckties to casual clothes and has also changed from standard coffee mugs to a Starbucks like you know coffee the backs of phones are usually gray in the Dilbert world
and the the way I indicate it's a phone is this little dot up in the corner that looks like the phone camera so one of the tricks of being a cartoonist is figuring out where you can cut corners and still tell the story so let me zoom in on this and so you can see what I mean so here Dilbert is holding something and

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so here Dilbert is holding something and you know it's meant to be his phone and because it's cartoon you don't have a lot of detail and a phone looks like really just sort of a rectangle so how do you indicate that he's holding a phone instead of some random rectangular object and in this case fortunately phones have that distinctive little camera in the corner and that allows me to have something that's sort of universally recognized as a camera shape because it's got to dot the corner so that's the least I could show here to quickly make you say that's a camera that's the very lowest level of information that also gets you there very quickly now I've got to find some background colors so rather than drawing complicated backgrounds I use a the fill

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complicated backgrounds I use a the fill with a fade so I'm just selecting all these backgrounds and then I'm gonna change them all at once with I'll use my favorite background color which is sort of a darkish green at the top and then I'm gonna use this gradient tool to give it a little a little interest so the background one of the ways that I indicate that there's something behind them but I don't need to show it to you is by a faded background if I had a solid background it would look like there's just a wall behind them and your brain would say that's boring there's just a wall behind them but because I put a little fade in the color it sort of tricks the mind into thinking oh I'm just focusing on the foreground but there's probably some there's some stuff back there and I know it's an office and I know it's a conference sort of looking thing so your brain just

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of looking thing so your brain just fills in this stuff all right and by the way that's really two parts of the same the same technique in cartooning you don't want to show all the detail because it would get busy you know the picture would be too busy so you want to do that smallest amount you can and often you've got to do things wrong to make them look right which is the real magic of cartooning right now I'm just gonna use a brush and I've defined the borders of the coffee cup and I'm gonna pick a larger brush and then I'm just gonna add a little grey accent here this is probably more OCD than cartooning right now because I'm not sure that the

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right now because I'm not sure that the reader is gonna pick up any any difference here with what I'm doing but I'm putting a little grey accent like there's a shade on the cup that tells your brain that maybe it's rounded so it's the lowest level of detail I can give it this still tells you as quickly as possible what it is that's what I'm going for so a Dilbert cartoon because it's not Calvin and Hobbes and it's not it's not bloom County and it's not any cartoon that has good artwork or in those cases great artwork and since I don't have the great artwork thing working for me I make you concentrate on the writing and the ideas and the best way to make sure that you're looking at the ideas and that I can control the timing of how you perceive the comic which is very important so even though the comic is something that you read and you're all reading it at your own your own rate the

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reading it at your own your own rate the cartoonist controls how quickly you're going from one thought to another if they're a good cartoonist so this is another one of those cases where having a talent stack that includes persuasion and hypnosis makes me a better cartoonist it's one of those up you know unexplored or non-obvious things so I think I have colored everything and I think I was in the middle of some other point but what I was saying is that the cartoonist tries to control the the timing of even how you're reading a cartoon so if for example I wanted to put in a pause I might I might have somebody sitting there silently for a panel just so I know that you'll think about it for a moment before you go on you'll see a lot of Dilbert cartoons where this next to last panel nobody's talking and that's a that's a humor

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talking and that's a that's a humor pause that I've decided as the let's say the conductor of this orchids Orchestra you needs to slow down right there before it you know gives you the big finale then also part of the art is how do you have you get people to read the situation quickly so in the Dilbert universe I have the advantage that you already know they're always at work so if you know they're at work you don't have to put in a lot of cues let me give me an example here so you can tell very quickly that he's sitting at a table and then I don't have to draw a feet because for you to paint a draw nobody likes to draw feet there's no it's just no fun to draw feet so I usually have them from you know the knees up or the or the waist up if I can then the table I want to make this as simple as possible so it's literally just a rectangle but I

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it's literally just a rectangle but I need to show that yeah it's flat and a a wall that they're sitting behind now your brain figures out that it's a table just because you see chairs and it's an office and they appear to be sitting so your brain is filling in a lot of detail and a huge part of the the skill of cartooning is to know when I can cause your brain to do the work and so I don't have to put the detail into the comic so your brain is turning this into a table even though it's literally nothing but a rectangle and there should be no queues telling you that it's you know one orientation versus the other you should you shouldn't be able to tell but then I make sure that nobody is confused by putting a coffee cup or any other object on it and since that's such a recognizable iconic thing the coffee cup you recognize it instantly and that immediately adjusts what you know to be

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immediately adjusts what you know to be the flatness of the table there's a huge a lot of bunch of art in how people are standing so this is one of my my most frequently used positions let's see if I can blow this up here this is Tina and she's got her her hands together and this is this is one of the I think I learned this actually from Bert breathitt I think that's the first plate time I saw it because it in the real world people don't really stand like this with their hands like that and I'm pretty sure that I saw Burke breath or do it in the bloom County for the first time and then I stole it so there's a lot of technique that you'll see in in comics that are you know little pieces you've stolen from other cartoonists over the years which

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other cartoonists over the years which by the way is a really good way to be to learn to be creative you steal other people's stuff you put it together poorly and then nobody can recognize the original sources because you did such a bad job of combining all these pieces and that's only that's only slightly meant to be a joke because it is literally true that if you tried to copy a great cartoonist you would probably do it poorly that because there are very few great artists and so if you do it poorly it's going to look like your own thing so many of the characters in the Dilbert universe are poorly copied creatures from other people Sergio Aragones and Gary Larson are mostly the influences behind you know Dilbert's body shape is this little potato body and not having knack that that comes from those cartoonists years ago all right and now you're wondering where are

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right and now you're wondering where are the words where are the words Scott so I'm gonna go get some words you're not supposed to be able to follow along in this part but trust me I'm opening the file so this is a an earlier version of the file that has words in it and over here are all of the words individually and their own layers meaning that they're little separate compartments if you will and then I'm placing all the words into it now the reason the words were not there in the first place has to do with the editing process so the reason the words are separate layers if you will is that when my editor sees this if I made it let's say a minor grammar error or something that they can

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grammar error or something that they can just edit the text because they have control over it to make and they can play with it but the art itself they don't change except for in the most minor ways but so the art idea to work on and change the layers and flatten it make it all one layer so it's there's just a a technical boring reason why the why the words were in different files in case you're wondering all right so now that I've transferred the words over the file that they came from is now no longer useful but I'll keep it around just in case something gets broken and I need it later and now the big reveal I shall read you this comic that will not run until so this comic that I'm making would run in the Internet and newspapers for the first time On January 20th 1990 what's today so

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On January 20th 1990 what's today so that's a month and twenty twenty days or so eighteen days I think I'm supposed to get them in six weeks at a time something like that I forget but anyway so I've got the finished comic here and let me read it to you here's the setup Dilbert is playing with his phone he's sitting at a table Tina the tech writer comes in and Tina says sometimes it seems as if you don't like me Dilbert says don't be ridiculous and he doesn't really quite put his phone down he goes back to his phone he says I'm just an introvert and Dilbert continues being around people drains my energy and he continues I only avoid you because spending five minutes with you feels like being buried alive with fleas instead of dirt then Tina says so it

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instead of dirt then Tina says so it isn't personal and then Dilbert who's already starting to nap says I need a nap so if you know any introverts you know that introverts actually lose energy when they're around people and extroverts gain energy when they're around people so this will that's the type of cartoon that will appeal a great deal to people who are introverts and will not appeal much at all to anybody else so the next thing that I'll be doing is just dragging that file into a into an FTP upload site and it will appear in New

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upload site and it will appear in New York at my syndication companies server and they will distribute that to newspapers and to internet sites you seem down Scott not at all I'm actually in a terrific mood I'm in a very good mood but I've been working most of the day well most of you have been playing I have been working late into the night
what program is it it's just plain old Photoshop plain old Photoshop so the setup here for those unit coming late is he the company is walk them that makes the the big display computer a good new one the biggest size would be 30 400 or somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 and the lower end of that I think and it can

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the lower end of that I think and it can connect to either Macintosh or Windows computer and then I just use plain old Photoshop as my drawing software now other people use other software for joining I just have my own personal preferences
now one of the things that I learned because I'm very serious about efficiency is that if I draw with my right hand and I also use the computer mouse with my right hand then I've got to put down the pen all the time or the stylus so it was and it was also overusing my hand which I thought would be bad you know to to be mousing with the same hand that I draw so I taught myself to Mouse left-handed so whether I'm using a actual mouse or trackpad I trained my left hand to do all the the mouthing you know whether I'm drawing or

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mouthing you know whether I'm drawing or not I just do that all the time if it feels natural now so it takes a while it takes I would say a month before you're okay with it and in two months you don't know you're doing it left-handed which is weird because the first time you try to use your mouse left and it you just feel like you're you're drunk it's really hard if you've never used you your left hand to Mouse the first time you do it you know this doesn't work but it takes about two months of doing it a lot you know just your normal using it everyday and you actually stop even thinking about it being your left hand all you know is that you're mouthing somebody keeps saying am i a cook I'm pretty far from a cook although I have cooked for a living and I've owned restaurants so I have cooked and I can

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restaurants so I have cooked and I can cook but it's not really my thing
/ somebody else taught themselves to the left hand yeah Oh somebody's did the same thing with a calculator and writing again it's amazingly efficient you know without that without that one change of not having to put down my my pen is probably 20% more efficient just for that reason alone I've never had carpal tunnel but I have had you know problems with other names with my hands when is the next course of troll college well I think that the first course of trouble troll college seem to hit all the the nodes what's the best grilled cheese

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nodes what's the best grilled cheese you've ever had you know real cheese tends to be not that different one to the next when was the last time you drew Dilbert on paper it's been really I I was thinking about that the other day it was whenever the the Wacom Cintiq the device I'm using it's whenever that was invented or at least marketed I think it was ten years ago something like that don't know exactly was troll college sarcasm well it depends if you wanted to be a troll I guess as a drum coming I just got delivery of my new drum set and so I'm actually probably gonna set that up tonight with Kristina she's going to

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up tonight with Kristina she's going to help me
do you have cow tools the sticks with you it's funny that I know what that means so that's like our tools for those of you who are not into the the weird trivia of cartooning cowls refers to a Gary Larson cartoon in which cow rules was you know the punchline or the subject I guess and it was unusually popular so I'm not sure that I have one that's quite the comparison to that did you get sucked into the extended drum warranty I did not what is a good way to find a great girlfriend I have an answer to that again going to the gym and a lot and having a good haircut and dressing well and being rich all right you know the obvious things but if you're doing

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the obvious things but if you're doing all you can to look good and you know be a productive person and all that I recommend finding something that you can be good at even if it's because you have to practice a lot to be good at it and do it where there are there are women so find something that you're extra good at and do it in a in an observable way because people are we sort of evolved to look for traits that we want to mate with them and make babies out of so any kind of skill or talent or it could even be Fitness something that would make somebody go wow I can't do that so something that you know you're just extra good at so just find something you could be good at but this the trick is you have to be good at it while you're being observed in some environment in

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being observed in some environment in which there are some women of the type you might want to meet get good symbols I did I got the Zildjian zilch end so that the symbols are pretty high-end what was the thing that christina was drawn to you know Christine and I I don't think anybody believes that we have you know something like a a normal traditional relationship we just we're just compatible in a lot of different ways there's no magic to it yeah you know money never hurts being attractive never hurts you know if you can pull off either one of those things you're you're definitely gonna increase your odds what's the best brand of

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your odds what's the best brand of cowbell funny you should ask I literally was I literally spent a part of today wondering what kind of cowbell I should buy that's the most random thing in the world that I was actually thinking about cowbells yes we need more cowbell
did you get a gun I did not how does fentanyl play into Trump's upcoming negotiations I'll talk about that on one of my political periscopes I'll talk about that tomorrow actually I have no reason to be on here right now except that I appreciate you keeping me company while I was bored doing my work do I have a problem coming

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doing my work do I have a problem coming up with ideas for the comic well I saw a different question going by them wondering if I'm gonna answer it everybody's good at something that's been my experience you know and I'm not talking about just career-wise but everybody's everybody's good as something even if it's just being a good friend or you know even if you could just lift heavy objects everybody's good at something and if other people are good at something you're not good at it looks really mysterious and magical because you say and I can't do that for example when I watch Christina learn let's say a new song on the piano and Alisa is Beethoven watching somebody who knows how to play the piano break down like a Beethoven piece and learning the

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like a Beethoven piece and learning the parts and then putting it all together into this incredibly complicated thing how many notes do you have to learn to play you know any any song on the piano and much less Beethoven that probably has a few extra notes for all I know so when I watch that it looks like magic to me because I don't have any of those skills and even if I worked really hard my mind isn't quite wired in a way that I would be able to pull that off because I don't have that kind of memory I can't remember six that was a notes in there in or I mean I don't know how many notes there are in a in a Beethoven song what would you guess like hundreds right hundreds and hundreds of notes and they have to be put together in a certain timing in a certain order so to me that's like magic that anybody can master that likewise when people the most common question that people ask me is how hard is it to

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that people ask me is how hard is it to come up with ideas well I was just born with I think is mostly just being born with it it could be something about my upbringing that then improved it and I think maybe there was but for me coming up with ideas is not hard but that doesn't mean you can learn to do it I'd love to tell you that if you worked a little harder you could come up with a commercial-grade you know humorous idea every day of the year which is you know the minimum I have to do because I do a cartoon of the day but if I'm reading from writing a book or doing some other kind of content you know I'm coming up with multiple creative ideas every day and I have to generate a lot now the point was that happens to be my certain thing that I'm good at and then plus I've practiced for decades that being creative and it is

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decades that being creative and it is there is a skill to it also so when you're when you're asking you know how do you come up with ideas or where do they come up with or is it hard or anything around that topic I hate to tell you it's impossible unless it's easy is the closest I can come to answer come up to for an answer for me it's easy for most people would be impossible for Christina it's easy to play Beethoven or at least you know she has the skills to to make that work it's probably never easy but for me it would be impossible you know I just could never get there so it's just the thing I I can do do you worry about the death of print yes I have I have been sure that newspapers

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have I have been sure that newspapers would stop publishing in five years every year since well for twenty years at least so something like 20 to 25 years I have believed that newspapers have no more than five years left it's like okay they're definitely not gonna last another five years and then five years goes by and they go okay now now they're definitely not gonna last another five years and then it goes by and like okay this time I was wrong those other two times but now no way it lasts five years now the truth is that when newspapers stop it'll probably be kind of sudden I you know they might all go on a business the same within you know two years or something but we're not there yet we're not there yet but I don't think you'll ever see a new newspaper you'll just see the ones that exist sort of fade out I suppose or at least move to

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fade out I suppose or at least move to the internet what are your plans of newspapers stop printing well almost every newspaper has a website so most of them would not just go on a business they would just move to fully digital and Dilbert would also run on their website in many cases as it already does and Dilbert also runs on my website so if people who liked looking at it in physical newspapers no longer could see it there is there's a greater chance that they would hunt it down on Dilbert calm and then that would be good for me
comics app yeah I could always just put it down on an app do you get flak from newspapers for your views No one of the greatest things about working or at least having you know my clients

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or at least having you know my clients or newspapers or I guess 2,000 of them or so the great thing about having 2,000 newspapers as your clients is that a lot of them would have to get mad before it would make any difference to me so you know if a dozen newspapers got angry at me tomorrow that's a dozen that of 2003 few of them would cancel me at this point because they would get too many complaints so Dilbert is Dilbert is on the short list of content for newspapers that people actually do cancel a newspaper when it stops being there so for example there are people who buy the newspaper mostly for the sports or mostly for the horoscopes or mostly for the crossword puzzles but there are lots of people who buy comics or buy newspapers mostly to read the comics and they usually really like

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comics and they usually really like maybe three comics so if one of them goes away the editors get a lot of get a lot of phone calls and angry
[Music] Dilbert II shoot TV show ever not any time in the foreseeable future there was a Dilbert animated TV show we did two half seasons but it's not on the horizon well I keep doing it you're wealthy well there's it's always good to have more money and you know there's a variety of reasons one is that I stay young by doing things that keep my brain nimble and I like that the other is at key
key be relevant it keeps me plugged in it's it's really good brain exercise and I

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it's really good brain exercise and I don't know if I'm built to not work are you addicted to Dilbert I think I'm addicted to being me and I've been I've been this way for thirty years so I've been doing Dilbert for thirty years I don't know how to not work anymore The Cider I I guess I have a little maybe a psychological barrier to it I can tell you that there have been many times in my career where I've said to myself you know if I could only get my net wealth if I could only get my net wealth to this number well then I'll just retire and they'll travel and all I'll just every day I'll wake up and it'll be the best day because I don't have to work and I'm rich and then I would reach that number and I would say to myself okay okay this isn't as much as I thought it was but when I reached this number I'm

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was but when I reached this number I'm definitely going to quit because when I've got this much money why would I work again and then I reach that number and I don't even feel a little like quitting so a lot of it is the psychology of it and maybe I'm rationalizing for some reasons I don't even understand
do you enjoy presenting at IT conferences well I've stopped doing any public appearances in front of crowds for security reasons so just isn't safe to be in for me to be in front of groups of people who are familiar with my work it's dangerous to be in the company of too many people who are familiar with my work which which is both true and hilarious

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was I influenced by his exact leur I was not I'm I know he was but I wasn't I wasn't really a follower or a consumer of his stuff what's my favorite city and it depends do you know the Charlie Brown guy I think you're talking about Charles Schulz and I did know him I mean I didn't know him well but I knew him we were friendly and had some conversations he passed away what do I think about Greg Gutfeld I think he's one of the best things on television you know I've said this before but my favorite TV show is the five Sun Fox and what I like about it is that you get filled in on the news you know through an opinion filter and I like that part but the

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filter and I like that part but the personalities that they put together at the table it's the best it's the best production and the best cast for that type of content that I've ever seen by far it's just it's just worlds ahead of of anything that's in that same genre I don't know if there's an Emmys or anything for that category but are there are there is that an Emmy category it must be right but it's just a head and shoulders above the other stuff in entertainment and usefulness and you know how quickly it seems to go by it seems like I turn it on and it's off already
oops yeah I was rubbing my hands next to the mic sorry about that yeah Fox

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the mic sorry about that yeah Fox probably can't win an Emmy right did you cover the Laura boomer story no you know I haven't some of you may have noticed that I've been steering clear of the this person or that person got kicked off of social media and it's not that I'm unsympathetic it's that it's a little bit of a sucker play because the idea is for people like me to throw in with people who have said things that I don't agree with and then then I get painted with their opinion and then forever unlike the guy who defended X and as much as I'm for free speech I don't want to spend you know a day a week defending the next person who said something I don't agree with and I don't know if she said anything I disagree with by the way I'm I am intentionally

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with by the way I'm I am intentionally ignorant of her story because that genre of topic I just don't want to be the one who's defending other people's free speech now if it happened to say one person once and you know it was a big story and and somehow it was like a real free speech issue I'd probably jump in like everybody else but I it's hard to defend it so many people I just feel like that can't be my full-time job
somebody said what about Alex Jones and it's the same story that I would love to defend Alex Jones because a number of people have said this by the way so I'm gonna say something I think you've heard lots of people say personally he's a really nice guy and it's hard to

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he's a really nice guy and it's hard to it's hard to overlook that like it's hard to see past that but he's like genuinely a nice guy so but to the degree that he reports on things that I would not say I don't want to be in the position of having to defend free speech and then it becomes I'm really defending what he said and yeah yes everybody understands the difference but it doesn't really work that way you you just end up you end up you know thrown in the same basket with other people and I just prefer not to there are enough people talking about those things that you don't need one more
what about queue I'm not going to talk about queue because it just brings out all the trolls when is Muller wrapping up the

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trolls when is Muller wrapping up the witch hunt you know let me put it this way all the Muller lawyers including Muller are working by the hour right I assume they're all being paid by the hour and at that level it's probably $1,000 now or or some big number and if you're gonna work at all and you've got this gig do you want to be done you know everybody talks about the political part of it but in my experience if somebody's getting paid $1,000 an hour and their job is to you know call people and talk to them if your job is to call people and talk to them and have you know and meet with your other lawyers and say hey Bob are you doing that was the weekend that was that witness I think you lied all right have somebody fill out some paperwork and we'll do whatever we need to do it just feels

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do whatever we need to do it just feels to me that there's something wrong with the model you know Muller is deeply incented to never be done to the to the degree that he wants to keep working and I wouldn't I don't know if he's doing it just for the country or it's just like any anybody else it's a really good job and he's qualified and everything else did I see Darren brown on Joe Rogan no but I flagged that podcast because I do want to watch it what about a bado AOC ticket I don't think there's really any chance that beta will be the candidate the the Democratic candidate because if you haven't noticed he is using an adult white male and while that can work you

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white male and while that can work you know to some degree in a state it's just I don't know that the the Democrats are going to come out for him so I don't see any scenario in which the Democrats elect a white male it just wouldn't it just wouldn't make sense for their brand now I'm not saying that's good or bad you know you can put your own judgement on that I'm just saying it seems unlikely because the demographics being what they are we'll just they could just do better with a candidate who's you know a woman or has some some ethnic flavor that makes them interesting and it's time for how long before we see an openly LGBTQ candidate for president on the Democrat side I think it might not be that far away mmm

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away mmm and would do well you know imagine if you will if Rachel Maddow ran for president let me think about it and now I I'm surprised that her name hasn't been floated because as much as Republicans you know have an aversion to her for her politics of hers her smarmy attitude and whatnot there's no denying that she's super smart super super smart and very successful and she she plays to her audience right so imagine if she ran for president maybe not right away but you know some future time I think she might have she would certainly have you know the political knowledge you would have the name recognition she would have all the intelligence she probably would be super connected

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be super connected she'd be interesting she'd be interesting you know she's great on television if you have somebody who's great on television and you know they they check a lot of boxes they're they're brilliant successful connected she'd be tough to beat all right I think I'm going to do some more work that you don't need to watch and I will talk to you later