Episode 313 Scott Adams: Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Clinton, China
Date: 2018-11-23 | Duration: 50:30
Topics
Two views of the world… Crown Prince said kill him in the embassy Corporate version: A non-specific order to silence him Yemen warring parties are planning to have talks Saudi Arabia and Iran are at each others throats Glenn Greenwald says Trump is first President to be honest Hillary says “Europe needs to get a handle on migration” Public enforcement of need to tighten immigration CNN for last week no longer pushing “Trump is a racist” Why have they stopped pushing the Trump racist attack line? The direction of things is more important than where you are We’re maintaining good relations with key allies The economy is doing great Stock market: One thing is more predictive than others The unemployment rate predicts the economies strength Stock market 5-10% pullback is completely normal End of year profit taking is completely normal Facebook announced…just before Thanksgiving, Facebook hired people to “out” Soros connected groups Soros backs groups that promote identity politics The groups were pushing people to abandon Facebook George Soros versus Tom Steyer Twitter suggestion: Ability to block anyone with an anonymous profile
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pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom pom hey everybody I know you're all out shopping or sleeping off your Thanksgiving meal but you know some things you just have to do every day and coffee with Scott Adams is on the top of the list here we are I think it's almost time to grab your mug your cup your container your glass your stein your chalice fill it with your favorite liquid I like coffee enjoy me for the simultaneous EMPA oh that's some good stuff all right I would like to begin by talking about some of the news is funnier than some of the other news number one there's allegedly some kind of a new recording of Prince Salman
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of a new recording of Prince Salman didn't Salman and on it he is alleged to say we don't have a confirmation here but the allegation is that he's he's telling his underlings to quote silence Ashoke and do it soon now do you remember what my prediction was about bin Salman's specific guilt in the murder remember I'll give it to you again and all I'll contrast two views of the world and see which one of these two views you think sounds right view number one that just like a TV movie the crown prince held a meeting with his his underlings and he said look I've got this whole caper planned what you're gonna do is you're gonna meet khashoggi who could drink him to go to them to into the embassy you're going to bring a bone saw you're gonna kill them in the embassy
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you're gonna kill them in the embassy I've got a I've got a guy who is really good with a bone saw he'll be on the team you're gonna meet I've got the schedule here's some here's some plane tickets I bought you so go kill him in the embassy because that feels like a good plan so that's one view of the world here's another view of the world in which let's say more of a corporate view of the world the first one who is what I would call a more of an Ocean's eleven you know sort of a movie plot the other one would be more like normal life here's normal life here's the crown prince reading his news on his phone man that just shogi guy just keeps saying stuff we don't like oh man you gotta do something about this guy hey hey guys you know this just shogi guy you gotta figure out how to shut this guy up do something shut this guy up done now if you're an underling
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guy up done now if you're an underling and you get the order to quote silent somebody what's the first way you try to do it well the first way you try to do it isn't really the bonesaw the first way might be to bribe him perhaps try to coerce him in not in good ways but you know in pretty evil ways maybe you maybe you try to get him to come to the country maybe you try to embrace him maybe you try to bring him in and you know once he's in Saudi Arabia they can control him but if those things don't work do you really want to go back to your boss and say I don't know how to silence and I don't think so I think that you figure out what you can do to make this work so to me this whole murder in the embassy has the smell of desperation about it meaning is something you do is sort of a Hail Mary
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something you do is sort of a Hail Mary pass last resort it's you know you're gonna die if you don't do because that's probably exactly what the perpetrators thought they probably thought if we don't silence this guy we're gonna get killed and they're probably right about that so it sounds to me like an underling plan not really a plan that the top guy comes up with the top guy just says take care of this problem the underlings figure out how to do it without getting executed they failed looks like they're all going to get executed but could it be true could it be true simultaneously that Prince Salman ordered the killing but also true at the same time that he didn't know about the killing you know when it was going to happen or that it would happen in the embassy probably so to me the
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in the embassy probably so to me the most likely explanation of events is that he had a general order out to silence him and it didn't matter how it happened he'd just say hey silence them and the underlings knowing that they would be executed if they didn't silence them did what they could and turns out the only plan they had was to kill him they didn't have a back-up plan or at least one that they liked so so I'm not mind reading what I'm doing is I'm presenting two alternate explanations they're both exaggerated of course but one is sort of the movie version where the top guy is you know doing he's doing the planning and he's in the room and you know he's all part of the operation and the other one is the corporate version where somebody says go take care of that and I don't need to know the details now that doesn't make him innocent
no really but it does give him deniability and so it is perfectly
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deniability and so it is perfectly believable in my view I'm not reading his mind I'm just saying what is likely based on what we're looking at and what you know about the world it is likely that when Prince Salman says I did not give the order to kill him in that embassy I would say that's more likely true than not but he did give the order to silence him I think that's you know that that seems likely enough all right you remember that I was saying that I drew a diagram on my whiteboard in a prior periscope and I said that given how everything is connected in the Middle East that this could be an opening meaning that Saudi Arabia might be getting kind of flexible right now in ways that has never been flexible before because they sort of need to prove themselves as a good Ally they need to try a little harder to make sure that they're okay with the United States etc
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they're okay with the United States etc and sure enough we saw the announcement that that the warring parties in Yemen are going to have peace talks I think for the first time or at least the first time at this level yeah in Switzerland I think and that's gonna happen to next month now why that's important is that Yemen is at war Saudi Arabia's backing the the government Iran is backing the rebels and until Yemen gets fixed you can't really fix much else because you need Saudi Arabia and Iran to at least not be at each other's throats to get anything done and so the first domino as I call it is Yemen meaning that if we can get a good result in Yemen and it looks like both sides are exhausted by the fight so baby we have a chance there if we can get Yemen to go then we've got a little goodwill a little bit of
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a little goodwill a little bit of inertia and maybe you can get some other stuff done yeah maybe you know maybe Hamas maybe some other stuff maybe Syria so I've said this before that the world can't tell the difference between good news and bad news we really can't because we're so bad at predicting the future that a good event and a bad event we just can't tell the difference we don't know if that's the the thing that happens right before the gigantic good thing or if it's the thing that happens right before the bad thing we can tell the difference I have speculated that the killing of chisaki as morally reprehensible as it is might have inadvertently become the the straw you know the final straw that allowed the you know progress to happen now I'm not going to predict it because predicting that everything goes well in the Middle East sort of you know that's
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the Middle East sort of you know that's a bad prediction you know that because the odds are always against that but we've never had a better chance that's what's different so if you see if you see your leaders for a go what would be maybe the best chance ever that would be a real problem which is different from saying that ultimately there will be a success Graham Glenn Greenwald Greenwald I don't know if that how to pronounce it writes for the intercept famous journalist had a great article today that I tweeted around now keep in mind that Greenwald is no fan of the president but he is one of the few journalists who is willing to say good things about anybody if they do good things and he's willing to say bad things about anybody if they do bad things so in terms of you know willingness to be at least attempting to
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willingness to be at least attempting to be objective I would say he would be near the top of your list I'm not a fan of him personally he's kind of a dick you know I've had a little interaction with him on Twitter and can't say I'm a fan of him personally but his writing is really good and so what he talked about was how the Trump is the first one first president who was willing to be honest
so remember he's not a fan of the president and I I'm not I'm understating that he doesn't like the president all but he says okay in this case it's the first time we've had an honest president who acknowledges that the United States has been friendly to brutal killers forever that that's actually just our normal existing policy that we've had forever and it it's unlikely to change but he's it's the first time anybody ever was honest about it and it's a really well-written
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it and it's a really well-written article and he he backs it up with lots of examples of backing brutal people in the past so that parts no larious and it feels like it feels like they're starting to be a turn if you see something that looks like progress in Yemen or even if they start talking about it like there might be progress this whole to shogi thing is going to start taking on a different look because the first thing that's going to happen is the novelty is going to wear off that sort of already happened so that the spectacular nature of it you know the fact that you could imagine it so vividly and it's so so non-standard what happened in that in the embassy you can't get it out of your mind so it takes on this great importance just because it's unique and shocking but if you look at it in terms of the arc of history totally normal all right historically even though it's
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all right historically even though it's an unusual way to kill somebody historically totally normal not normal in a good way but normal in terms of predictably similar so I think we will get over our outrage as we realize that it's completely consistent with history I think we'll get we'll get over the president's reaction to it because like Glenn Greenwald says and he's very influential you know a lot of people will see his article and and it's going to be the help they'll see his article and they'll they'll certainly know that I better make sure I don't have something coming up here hold on a second nope nothing my company
so that's but there's another piece of great news
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great news just hilariously great news that I'm gonna say for a moment let's talk about China so the reporting which I'm not sure is reliable at this point is that the US and China are going to get serious about trade talks at the g20 as President Xi will be there and president Trump will be there and there's some thought that there's been enough groundwork that there might be a little bit of progress maybe in the g20 again more good news that would make the make the president's decisions look smart not just marked but smarter than all of his critics but I'm getting to the good part are you ready do you want to hear the funniest thing you've ever heard in your life well I might be over selling this a little bit but Hillary Clinton was just that in an event and she did an interview with The Guardian newspaper and this is what Hillary Clinton said
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and this is what Hillary Clinton said about immigration in Europe so she is talking about European immigration and she says talking about you know Germany and Angela Merkel and she said they need to send out a stronger message that they won't always be able to provide refuge and support this is Hillary Clinton quote I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration pause I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame Clinton said referring to the rise of populist like Trump and movements like brexit yes got that right if Europe doesn't properly deal with the migration issue quote it will continue to roil the body politic so she went on a little bit by Hillary
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so she went on a little bit by Hillary Clinton just gave a full-throated endorsement of President Trump's a racist policy about immigration now I'm of course taking her words for more than she actually said but it's hard to hear them any other way because when you see Hillary Clinton saying hey you European countries you better slow down migration or immigration because it's gonna it's gonna turn into nationalism and Trump and everything else it looks like she just agreed with everything Trump has been saying on the very thing that she spent the last three years criticizing him for now I'm not talking about that details you know I'm not saying she's backing a wall but I'm saying that she has now completely endorsed publicly and clearly with no ambiguity whatsoever tightening of immigration what is that a
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tightening of immigration what is that a racist isn't it isn't it racist according to Hillary Clinton to act aggressively to curb immigration of people who are just trying to have a better life and they're going to countries that might allow that to happen so Hillary Clinton just became a trump supporter she's not going to say it but it just happened here's another question for you do you remember for the past three years every time you checked a headline in CNN you said that the president Trump was a racist have you seen that in the week kind of went away for a week didn't it here's why well let me let me make sure that's true I'll go to the CNN's homepage and see if there are any headlines about Trump is a racist nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nothing about that trade
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nope nope nope nothing about that trade war blah blah nope the only thing on the entire first page of CNN that looks like you could define it as racism and I'm not making this up what I'm gonna say next I swear to god I'm not making up I'm looking at the entire CNN homepage with all the different headlines there's only one of them this speaks to racism and that and the title is Clinton Europe must curb migration to halt nationalism in other words Clinton is telling people to halt immigration it's the only reference to racist behavior is about Hillary Clinton on the front page of the CNN I'm not making that up I'm looking at it right now now of course I'm exaggerating when I say that her talk about controlling immigration is racist I'm making fun of
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immigration is racist I'm making fun of the fact that that's what people have been saying about Trump for the past three years and he has now been spectacularly proven right how much more right can you be then your biggest enemy adopts your opinion is that as right as you can be has anybody ever been more right I don't think so now what has changed in the past week that erased Trump is a racist from the headlines several things one is CNN and the like they overplayed their hand by saying President Trump why is it he's only only making fun of he's only he's only criticizing black women remember that a few weeks ago they were saying why is he keep criticizing black women and then the very next week he praised Stacey Abrams he praised Ron gillum's without reservation he didn't give any negatives he just praised them both as being sort
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he just praised them both as being sort of awesome individuals who did a good job they lost but they did a good job and then he insulted or and then he also praised Nancy Pelosi who if you had not noticed is a woman and and again he was not doing it sarcastically he was doing it quite legitimately actually complimenting her effectiveness say he could work with her Guilhem Musa ban somebody asked but the point is that he was accused of saying things against black people and women and the very next week all of his criticisms were against white males and suddenly the frame didn't hold so now so now we have the whole narrative about why does the only go after certain kinds of people clearly proven not to be the case we also saw last week I think it was Trump giving
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last week I think it was Trump giving and his whole family giving a full-throated endorsement to prison reform which is very popular in the black community and you even saw Van Jones praising the President on that narrow point and so and then you see Hillary Clinton backing Trump's immigration policy essentially so they're gonna have to find some new things to complain about now at the same time you may have seen the story that North and South Korea they dismantled or blew up some important guard posts on the Demilitarized Zone and you saw videos of North and South Korean military smiling and shaking hands now you could say okay that's not you know that's not denuclearization and you're right but if I've taught you nothing the direction of things matters more than
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direction of things matters more than where you are where we are is we don't have a denuclearization deal the direction of things is all good so psychologically you should always put greater weight on the direction of things that's how people think it predicts the future better than where you are and so things are going well in North Korea compared to any any historical comparison things are going well and they trending trending positive I would say that the peace talks in Yemen are a concrete example we don't know if they'll work out probably the first time you have a peace talk it doesn't work out you have to work at it a little bit but it seems to me like we might be on the border of something good in the Middle East and you will see that the president will get credit for you know helping to tamp down Isis you'll see the president get credit
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Isis you'll see the president get credit for maintaining maintaining good relationships even though there's a good reason not to you know the khashoggi affair you might see him get credit for being in the background pushing the Yemen thing maybe because of Jay shogi yeah that may have been the impetus to make this possible we might not not ever know that we see the economy doing well by the way let me talk about the stock market for a minute because one of the things I often say is that when regular journalists talk about the stock market or the economy they're usually a little under qualified now they're more qualified than the viewers most most people who cover the news know a lot more about the economy than the people who are watching the news but there still seems to me there's a lot of context that gets left out so here's the thing the stock market has taken a dump in the last few weeks what should you make of that does that
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what should you make of that does that mean the economy is bad or turning bad and let me give you some context number one the thing you should know about economics there is one indicator that rules all the other indicators right if you're going to look at all the complicated economic indicators and you're going to try to find what's the one thing that there's the most predictive it's not exactly the stock market because stock mark is sort of go up and down their their frothy the biggest indicator is the rate of employment if you can move people from unemployed to employed what that does for the economy is guaranteed to be good I mean you could almost almost nothing else can happen that will turn that into a bad situation so as long as you have strong employment you can look at the stock market going up and down and not care too much because it will probably trend higher over time the other thing
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trend higher over time the other thing you need to know is that the healthiest thing for stock markets is that they pull back five or ten percent every now and then because stock markets tend to get overbought and that can be in this especially a problem for the tech stocks you know the big tech stocks they can either go way up or way down it's typical historically for the tech stocks to get ahead of the market and then they pull back but when they pull back there's such a big percentage of the market it takes the rest of the market with them so especially the indexes so the first thing you need to know is that employment is the thing you should care about as long as that's good everything else is going to work out it'll be spotty but it's definitely going to trend in the right direction next thing you need to know is that this kind of pullback is just completely routine and indeed it's healthier if you have it than if you didn't the worst-case scenario is that the stock market just
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scenario is that the stock market just keeps going up you don't want to live in that world because that's you're you're coming for a big disappointment that because then it's going to drop 30% and that's going to be disruptive five ten percent pullback very healthy expected guaranteed healthy good for the world and that's how you should see it and the last thing you should know is that is completely typical for markets to to go lower before the end of a year because a lot of people are selling stocks they've made profits on and there's uncertainty toward the end of the year people are taking vacation they don't want to be watching their portfolio so a lot of the professional money managers will will sell their positions just so they can go on a vacation and they don't have to watch them in case the case they have to do deed to do any quick selling so what you should be surprised at is when the stock market doesn't go down at the end of the
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market doesn't go down at the end of the year the most normal situation is that it goes down at the end of the year just like we're seeing all right now can I support that theory like you know how much do I believe what I just said well I believe it enough so that the only stock I was looking to sell I sold a few weeks ago and the reason that I sold it a few weeks ago had nothing to do with the individual stock I had made that decision separately the timing of it was because I didn't want to get caught in the end of the year down down pal if I was going to sell it anyway I didn't want to sell it in the last six weeks of the year because the odds of the market going down in the last six weeks of the year are really high yes somebody just said me too so among people who actually understand markets and follow economics etc many of us probably trimmed our stock owning positions around October end of October that would be a good play you don't want to wait until mid-november because other
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to wait until mid-november because other people are catching up to the idea by that so and by the way this there's a similar impact before summer it's very common for stocks to sort of fall down a little bit in the summer not every time but it's common so when you see the media report on the stock market the that's the context that what you're saying is completely normal and it doesn't matter that much compared to employment if you get employment right things work out all right
yeah my apple stock is taking a dump at the moment but it's hard for me to imagine that there's a serious competitor to Apple so I'm gonna hold on to that do not take stock advice for me that's not a stock advice not nothing
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that's not a stock advice not nothing you heard should be construed as stock advice or financial advice please now facebook made a interesting announcement just before Thanksgiving which is what you do when you don't want anybody to see your announcement if you don't want somebody to see your announcement you do it right before the weekend or right before a holiday and Facebook's announcement was that turns out they were aware that they hired a company to to embarrass George Soros because apparently George Soros had funded some individuals who were part of organizations that started a dump of Facebook campaign so some Soros funded activists were active against Facebook and Facebook hired some people to essentially out them you know to explain what has arose where Soros was connected to all this so he you've been watching
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to all this so he you've been watching me
me for the last month or so asking people to explain to me why Soros is so evil because I keep hearing it but nobody's giving me examples that they could back up where I could see it too for some reason it was invisible to me and I was puzzled by that why is why so many people would be so sure at the same time that that I couldn't help I was looking at the same news I thought so a lot of people tried to inform me and they gave me lots of information that they thought meant something that I didn't so for example people said it means something that when he was 14 he did something in Germany and I said no that doesn't mean anything to me personally that means nothing people say he made his money by space believing and tried to crash countries and stuff to which I said I get that I don't like that but has nothing to do with the complaint you're not really complaining about that you're complaining about him using his money for political reasons that you don't
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for political reasons that you don't like so let's talk about that and yeah the the best I could come up with the best explanation anybody came up with in that process was the Soros funds groups that push for identity politics in other words he funds things which if they were successful would make the world a worse place even though he thinks it would make the world a better place presumably and that I see this Facebook example and here's here's where I feel like some kind of a switch flipped in my head between being neutral and being anti Soros and it was that there was this alleged grassroots movement to get people to quit Facebook but the activists behind the grassroots movement were not grassroots they were paid by
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were not grassroots they were paid by Soros now in that scenario that's pretty disruptive meaning that it is it's something that if anybody else did it any any other American if anybody else paid somebody to make a fake organization to take down a major American company it wouldn't matter who it was I would say that process is not good for the system and so I am now persuaded so if you're those of you who are trying to persuade me that Soros is evil I am now on your side it doesn't mean that in his internal thoughts he's evil the the evidence suggests that's not the case meaning that I don't see evidence the Soros is trying to make the world a worse place in his mind and and
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world a worse place in his mind and and that his view of what it takes to be a good world is not that different than other people so my objection is only that he's using his money to corrupt systems there are systems if he was corrupting somebody else's system I would care less but if he's corrupting the American system of democracy and you know basically the ar-ar-ar let's say if he's corrupting the operating system for the American the American experience and he's doing his secretly it would be very different if he did it publicly if if Soros said hey I gave money to these guys they're trying to take down Facebook and they're and the reason I'm doing it is X I would say free speech okay free speech is good I'm okay with free speech and I'm okay with people doing what they need to do as long as they are upfront about it but the fact
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they are upfront about it but the fact that he's funding people and it's hard for us to know who's getting funded and how that's affecting people that is unacceptable so yes I think that Soros could be seen as an enemy of the United States in the same way that Tom Steyer would be an enemy of the United States so if I if I wanted to make sort of an equivalent class of badness I would say that Tom Styer similarly similarly bad now the two people don't have anything in common right they're very different very different objectives and you know what what they want is very different so I'm not saying they're the same people I'm saying that if you're going to rank their level of badness I'd say Tom Styer would be sort of in the same category somebody mentioned the Koch brothers I'm not positive about this but my understanding is that the total amount of money the Koch brothers have ever put
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of money the Koch brothers have ever put into politics is actually small compared to Soros maybe somebody could fact check me on that is it true that that the amount the Koch brothers has done as big as it is is small compared to what Soros has done although Soros has also spread his money to other countries so I don't know how you do the apples and oranges there so I don't know enough about the Koch brothers to have an opinion about it somebody says at least Tom Steyer is open about it yeah so I'm not saying that they're the same guy doing the same thing I'm just saying if you were gonna say what's the what's the level of badness to it it's sort of a Tom Steyer a level of evil you know just my personal opinion I'm not saying that they're violating the law as far as I know none of them are violating the law but in terms of trying to ruin the system in terms of being actors which are unproductive in a very high level
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are unproductive in a very high level Saros Tom Stiers pretty similar all right
yet Zuckerberg supports Soros somebody said well I'll bet he doesn't support him so much at the moment
what would Soros goal be you know that's a good question so if somebody says what is George Soros is objective and I've been trying to figure that out too and I will caution you that we cannot read his mind so it may be unknowable what Soros is thinking but I'll give you what I would call the the obvious the obvious explanation which doesn't have to be the only explanation the obvious explanation is that he made his money in very bad ways and he knows it meaning that even
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ways and he knows it meaning that even to Soros his money is dirty and that he has too much of it and that maybe he can buy back a little bit of moral comfort before he dies maybe he can put some good back into the world because he may have some guilt yeah so there could be a guilt motive there could be a legacy motive especially important to his children his children and their children so if the Soros offspring want to live in a world in which their name means something it could be that he's trying to do something good as he sees it now my understanding is the Soros got and somebody needs to fact-check me on this that he got activated during the Bush administration and the Iraq war and that when Soros saw the United States go to war against Iraq in Afghanistan that
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war against Iraq in Afghanistan that what he felt was it looked like Nazi activity in other words he thought that Bush I'm not even sure which Bush I think Bush jr. was acting like a Nazi by attacking in other countries killing lots of people for reasons that were not good enough according to Soros and according to probably most Americans at this point and so it looks like Soros has just decided that Republicans are basically Nazis so the weird thing about it is that while while people are blaming Soros were sort of being a Nazi when he was 14 which is not technically true he seems to be primarily motivated by fighting against Nazis now that's not wrong is it but the problem is if you happen to be an American you're part of a system he's
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an American you're part of a system he's attacking the reason he's was attacking it is because he thinks it's run by Nazis you're Republicans equals Nazis in in the soros formulation now if you're looking at George Bush jr. attacking Iraq and you say hey that's acting like a Nazi it's not that far off that's not that far off I mean we have the benefit of hindsight right at the time people thought it was maybe necessary for the whatever reasons but in hindsight it's some pretty evil stuff it's certainly not a not a proud time in American history that we destroyed Iraq and killed however many people who are largely minding their own business so somebody says Bush was a Nazi question mark I'm not saying he was a Nazi I'm saying that according to Soros and lots of other observers some of the
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and lots of other observers some of the things he did with the military were too close to Nazi behavior to be comfortable with letting it go on so the weird part of that was Soros is that he seems to be have legitimate sounding concerns about real evil that we would agree is evil but he also has so much money that he's funding lots of different things and some of those things have political objectives that you don't like and I don't like but they're all different you know is black lives matter are the same as some immigration group in Hungary I don't know they don't seem to have that much in common so it could be that when you put that much money out there some of its gonna end up in the hands of bad people and that's gonna look like it's on Soros and it probably should be so so that's my view of Soros
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should be so so that's my view of Soros I doubt that in his mind he's doing anything bad but he's clearly messing with American politics in a way that gives him more power than the American public would like him to have and some of that power is apparently secret so his power is not only immense because of his money but it's hidden those are the two things that the system can't abide we can't have somebody with that much power and also it not be transparent it would be bad enough somebody's asked me if I'm mind-reading I don't know how many times I have to clarify the easy stuff but I'm gonna do it again for you I'm not saying I know what Soros is thinking I'm saying that based on the reporting and based on what he's putting his money into and the things he's actually said that he saw the Bush administration has sort of not see ish and it would be hard to imagine any
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and it would be hard to imagine any other motive for funding these groups than that he thought it would be good for the world because it doesn't seem like it could possibly be good for George Soros do you think George Soros is funding these groups because it's good for George Soros that I would say that's the weakest hypothesis because he's 85 he doesn't need the money he's trying to give away money he's not giving away 18 billion dollars because he thinks he'll make a profit on it all right so if anybody out there says Soros is giving away one you know 18 billion dollars so far because he thinks he can make a profit on it you do not understand how money works that there's no chance that that's true
there are a lot of racists on here today more than if it's a is it my imagination or they're more more racist on this feed than normal I think whenever you
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than normal I think whenever you mentioned Soros you get the anti-semitic folks who have the secret by the way I here's a suggestion why does why doesn't Twitter have a filter so they can filter out anybody who has a cartoon in their profile you know somebody who's hiding their identity there should be two levels of profiles on social media let's say Twitter we'll just talk about Twitter there should be two types yeah one of those types one of those types would be you know a fake account and you can follow anybody who's willing to let you follow them but I don't want to see comments from people who have hidden identities when I don't if I if I also had a hidden identity that would be fair with me if I had a hidden identity and my critics have a hidden identity game
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my critics have a hidden identity game on we'll all just you know do our thing somebody said what about an of all involves a special case because he's he he presents his real identity with no ambiguity it's just his his icon is just not a picture of his face so I'm really talking not so much about the icon but it's the icon lack of picture plus the lack of identification yeah there's there's no idea who they really are so if you really are a real person and your real identity is in your profile either in you should be in the picture to that ideally but that part is optional I think I should be able to block all the people with fake identities who disagrees with me if I could block all the people whose identity I can't determine from there for me 85 to 90% of all the
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for me 85 to 90% of all the unpleasantness would go away and then I it would be my option whether I wanted to see them or not somebody says I disagree strongly give me an argument for disagreement why can't I have the option of not listening to people who don't want to give me their identity
anonymity is Right know people would keep their anonymity anonymity would absolutely still be allowed but I would have the option of not listening to it so you have the option of free speech which I would never want to take from you but don't I also have the option of going into a quiet room and not listening to you you can't take that right away why can't we both have our rights exactly the way they're spelled out in the Constitution I have a right of privacy I can go somewhere and not listen to you you have a right to say whatever you want I just don't have to listen to it somebody says I don't troll
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listen to it somebody says I don't troll why punish me I wouldn't be punishing you I would just not be listening to you why should you are why should your free speech be as powerful as someone who is willing to put their name behind it and why shouldn't I have the option of deciding whether I should look at listen to it or not somebody says you do have the option I don't believe that's true you have the option of turning everybody off and you do have the option of individually turning them off I want to do them you know in one in one fell swoop so we do get people saying yeah I wouldn't I guess there would be some question about parody accounts you know I suppose I would treat parody accounts a little differently if they're labeled parody you know have you noticed that the parody accounts in order to stay on Twitter so they don't get booted out typically in their profile they'll say this is a parody account and they'll say
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this is a parody account and they'll say it as clearly as possible because if it wasn't clear I think they would get booted off this so I think parody accounts could stay there actually funny most the time somebody says don't block me please well I'm not gonna block people just for having a comic in their icon I would only block you if you were being a troll and you didn't show your identity so any negative any negative opinion I get on Twitter from a anonymous profile is instant block now it doesn't even matter if I like their opinion I don't even care about the validity of the open of the opinion I just choose not to listen to it I have enough opinions from people who are willing to who'd give me their identity all right
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it's 7:47 and this is when I usually stop and so I'm going to and you can get in trouble at work for your views yes you can yes you can get in trouble at work for your views and that would be a perfectly good reason to have an anonymous account I absolutely support your right to be anonymous online I've been anonymous online in the past I've had an anonymous account maybe you've heard of it that's another story so I'm completely in favor of anonymity but why don't I have the option of not listening to it you're scaring your followers don't worry I'm only gonna get rid of trolls I'm not getting rid of people who have opinions and by the way I don't block people for disagreeing with me I don't know if you've noticed that but I don't know if I've ever
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that but I don't know if I've ever blocked anybody just because they disagreed that's that's not block worthy I like the disagreement in fact I had one this morning somebody disagreed with a point of fact which if they're right I'm gonna change my opinion on something and so I've asked for some clarification in the link so disagreements great I'm not gonna block anybody who isn't literally just trolling for fun yep state you can stay as anonymous as you like and you're totally safe in my Twitter feed as long as you don't use it to you as long as you don't use it as a weapon all right I will talk to you all later